How to Butt Weld Sheet Metal Patch Panels - TIG Welding Tips & Tricks!!
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- On this episode of Make It Kustom I show you how to butt weld thin sheet metal body panels using tig welding. This is a fender repair on a customers Fox body Mustang. Check out these great tips and tricks!
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This guy is brave with no gloves. I've been TIGging for almost 20 years. No problems until last week when I shorted a piece of filler rod which caught on fire, caught my glove on fire, and put a small crater on the back side of a door skin. The glove saved my fingers.
I can Mig weld sheet meat well, just got a tig welder. I need a lot of practice feeding filer metal, old age 75 and not the best eyes anynore, but still learning. I have a hard time herning you with that music in the background, glad I fould your site!
Hey brother I don’t know if you remember but I was in welding school when you and your crew came to San Antonio and we met at the bar I worked at. I just got a job Tig welding for Lancer Worldwide and I have you to thank for a giant part of my education! Great to meet you and much love.
As my Lineman partner used to say, a professional makes the job look easy! I have done a bunch of panel repairs and they never came out nearly that well. very nice job.
Rich
Thanks a lot Rich! Practice makes progress
I cant believe its been two years since this video was made. finally I'm ready to do this on my third gen dodge.
Dude, you are a great teacher! I've been making the bodywork of my VW Beetle myself and your videos have helped me a lot. Greetings from Brasil! 🤙🏽
So great to hear that man thank you so much this type of feedback makes my day!
Man I love how simple you keep your pointers... I'm so glad you started a channel I've followed you on IG for a while but it awesome hearing you walk everyone through how you do things.
Thanks for the feedback man! I’m stoked you are digging the videos!
You’re a gifted instructor, dude.
Wawoo Carl that panel looks like it doesn't need filler it's come out really great great video on tig welding
I'm stoked I can finally watch your how-to's on youtube. 👍
Right on man me too! It’s about time 😆
Looks great guys 😎
Genio Saludos desde Argentina
As a tig welding noob, I can say its one of the most frustrating things I've ever tried. I wish I could fast forward to where I'm this good. Great video. Thx.
You’ll get there man time and patience!
Greetings from Houston, Texas. You do really nice work and some of your solutions are very much old school.
What you did here used to be done with an oxi-acetylene torch and tiny filler rod, hammered and finished with a thin bit of lead. That is my preferred way to do it, but now I will try TIG instead of MIG but again with the lead filler. Lead requires an ultra clean surface and if done this way you can spread it really thin. In some cases the tin priming will be just enough. It just takes practice. I like lead because I don't have to wait for it to cure and when it as clean as it needs to be for that, the final preparation for priming and paint will make for a lasting repair. I don't forget the hidden side either.
I was wondering why you are welding without covering your arms? If you have an old shirt with long sleeves but the collar is worn out, cut off the sleeves and have someone or yourself sew an elastic at the top of the arm opening. Slide these on when welding and it will help prevent a nasty sunburn. Then you can take them off when you want to go sleeveless. you can also use the sleeve as a pattern and cut it out of deer skin, sew the sleeve closed and add a strap to go across your back up near your shoulders or neck. Deer skin will hot up better to sparks, etc.
cant wait to try this on the 62 impala, nice vid, once again and i cant express my gratitude enough
You’re so welcome man! I appreciate you
Great job man. Explanation was clear and the panel was perfecto!
Thank you!
Good tutorial. We'll explained and easy to follow. Found your channel few weeks back. Lots of great content. Keep up the good work
Thanks very much ! I watch you videos! You can build anything!
@@MakeItKustom thanks. You have alot of nice tools there. There is nothing that you can't make. My plasma has a cutting wheel. Lol
I miss my tic weld...pretty fun
Great videos. I like to put 2-3 welders magnets across the join, to hold the both sides even and flat, just while you tack.
Yeah I don’t know about the magnet thing I always have trouble with my arc getting really weird on the tig
I can tell you are very passionate about your work!!!! I enjoy watching the videos.
Thanks Anthony! I love this industry and I love my work
I'm 60 years old, been in the auto body industry for 40 years. And i still have a passion for it! U r very talented, i bow down to you
Very very good.
Thanks for sharing a great video
Great information and direction. Thank you
You’re most welcome!
Nice fit! I wouldn't use filler at the bottom of a fender, though. That area is very prone to rust, no matter what You paint on it.
I would use body solder, and filed it down to correct profile.
If it is epoxy primered first, the filler should be of no concern. IMO, epoxy should be the only thing touching bare metal.......ever. However, body solder would definitely work too.
@@AbstractDreamz That hasn't worked out too well for concrete reinforcement. 15 years ago epoxy coated rebar, etc., was required in U.S. federal concrete work and stuff like that. Now it is prohibited, since it proved far worse than no coating at all. Water would inevitably find a way under the epoxy, become trapped in there, and meanwhile rot the steel all to hell. So there.
@@LonersGuide These are completely different things... Cars body work is in well ventilated space (outside atmosphere) where the little moisture can evaporate from the painted surface and it hold very little as droplets...opposed to rebar inside concrete structure that holds moisture like a sponge and depending its location might be always submerged in wated. The stress level is so different it shouldnt even be in the same topic... So there.
That being said, with car bodywork all methods today work fine if _prep_ is done properly... any materials like modern filler will outlast the cars life if its done correctly.
Modern filler doesnt even soak in water so there is very little difference with solder today and its way easier to work with than solder.
It doesn matter if its filler or solder, its the metal around them that rusts when the protection is broken, like in any other application.
@@LonersGuide so your say leave your car bare metal so it won’t rust ?
You do a great job it's just the way I want to do a patch, there are so many hack's out there that don't do it like art. I wonder if you or anyone reading this, why don't people weld on Backside it will not thin the metal on outside when grinding weld down, and would just be filler/bondo on side that show's?
GOOD HELPFUL VIDEO...
Thanks 🙏!
Love the content 👌
Thanks man! Appreciate it!
Just started watching you pretty awesome talented young man
Thanks so much Chet! Appreciate it! Welcome to the channel
Short, sharp and to the point. Great video. Thanks.
Turned out really nice.Keep up the great work Karl.
Thanks Roger will do!
My favourite CZcams channel!
You’re just saying that 😂 lol 🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely beautiful! I can hang panels and stitch/hammer but it never looks like that - and I always get in a hurry so it turns into a project by Mediocrates, the Greek father of good enough :D. Your attention to detail is fantastic.
Ha ha Ha I’m fucking laughing at this one lol mediocrities is by Greek god to lol
Good job brother!👍🏻
Thanks man!
Did the same repair just on the drivers side fox mustang fender. Looks great.
Thanks man! This metal is thin isn’t it!
@@MakeItKustom
Is it possible to tig on the even newer even thinner sheet? My old 2001 Deville had some thin fenders. Just curious if I should start chopping on that. 😎
Well that's a definite sub.
0:38... so true....I'm finding this out..burned up alot of stuff until I figured out why I was...lol
I was going to go out in the (attached) garage and get started welding some panels up...then I remembered, I don't know how to TIG yet. So I guess it's time to go practice on some scrap 18 and 16 gauge! Loving all your vids man, you do some great work!
Thanks man! Trial and error is the best way to learn nobody can teach that!
great video. I do have a question that nobody seems to be able to answer. After you weld in the new panels how do you protect the patch backside of the weld from rusting?
A lot of cars have exposed bare metal in inner panels sometimes but in the case of rockers and cavity’s, there is “cavity wax” not widely used in restoration. There is also sprayers designed for it that will paint the insides
Super interesting, really like the realistic tips.
Awesome glad you like them!
Great video, Thanks for sharing
Thanks!
What size cup are you using with the 1/16 inch tungsten? Great video.
Fantastic job big difference from my old oxy torch days
Man be careful you don't get a copy write thing from your intro. Massive love for you two's hardworking in making these. Thank you. UK.
Nice, just wondering as I'm I Newby, when you say set on about 70 amps, is there a decrease in amperage when you get going? Is this a pulsed mode?
Can you, please, share some settings. Amps. gas flow, type of tungsten, other adjustment of the machine...
I enjoy watching your videos but I have a question for you. I am going to try to rig welding a cab corner on my truck and I have no idea how to hammer it out while I weld it up. There’s a very small space at the bottom that allows water to flow through and that’s it . Can u help me with this please.
Cool vid, thanks
Glad you liked it thank you!
Great videos! You mentioned sometimes you MIG when you cannot get to the backside. I guess I don't fully understand. Can you clarify? I just got a TIG (and after some practice) I have to do a bunch of patch panels on my 51 ford so wondering. Thank you, these videos are a lot of help!
Hey Jesse! I need to access the backside with a dolly or hammer to stretch the TIG weld back out. If I can't get to the backside, I find it easier to weld with a MIG and take my time to control distortion. Glad these videos are helpful!
@@MakeItKustom leave a gap the size of the thickness and you may not need access to the backside
ahhh help....just got my new DC tig to try to fusion weld a patch in my truck bed (new to tig....should have practiced on sacrificial piece) and I'm blowing holes worse than I do with my flux core welder 😞
I am using a glass #10 cup, 1/16" tungsten with a 15 degree point ...gas is set to 20 CFH. Started at 100 amps, went down to 55 amps (according to reviews my cheap machine states higher amps than really what it puts out)
symptoms
1 - blowing through very easily
2 - soot covering the piece and the glass
what should be my tip out and cup be for just tacking the piece in place? And how far up from the piece should my tip be?
I can't seem to get filler rod in before I blow through :-(
Like your videos BTW.
This channel deserves more subs!
Thanks so much Ryan 🙏 Appreciate that! We hope to keep getting more awesome people to watch along!
I’m a wood worker have been for over 50 years , Great videos but I can guarantee you if you wanna well like this guy you need to weld at least 5 foot a day for 4 days a week for about two years. You just developed skills and figure out your short comings and get better over time. Stick with it
Good stuff man. Love that you started a channel!
Glad ya digging it!
Great video man.
Thanks Dan!
Thanks buddy I enjoy watching your streams, are you coming back to Australia? 😊😊
Great videos and clearly explained. Thanks
Thank you very much! Cheers
This should help me. Thank you.
Awesome man glad to hear it
Thanks for sharing !
You’re welcome Roger!
Great video Thank you!!
Thanks so much!!
ODB playing in the back, yeap my kind of work environment
what happened with stepping the sheet metal edge to butt to pieces together I'm guessing it doesn't work like butting to edges together
Good stuff!
Thank you!
KArl, I can Tig coupons in 18ga or 20ga all day long because of the perfect fitup, but what's the secret when dealing with imperfect fitup? Of course, rod is needed, but lower amps?
so the thoriated... isn't the lanthanated perfectly fine? and not radioactive?
I thought we were supposed to avoid thoriated due to cancer risk. I was told in class that the lanthanated or the 'special' alloy lanthanated (purple or pink) were the go-to electrodes these days.
What do you do if you can't get a dolly behind the panel?
soooo what do you do when you don't have access to the backside?
Well if you have no access to the backside then I typically don’t tig weld
Thank you!
You’re welcome and thank you!
My head is going to explode if hear "fitment" one time! I implore you to please look it up. Oh...very nice work!
As long as you know what I mean it may not always be exactly what I say LOL
Definition.net
fitmentnoun. Something that suits or fits. fitmentnoun. A thing fitted to another in order to accomplish a specific purpose.
Close enough
@@MakeItKustom I have never seen that before... Fitment is English: a piece of furniture or equipment, especially one that is made for and fixed in a particular place. It's a pet peeve of mine. I think "fitment" has been forced on us by the sheer number of people who use it.....I don't know! I enjoy watching shows like your and lots of people use it. I just can't bring myself to use! That's just me...you can use it all day long and I will still shout at the screen at you! Haha Haha...Thanks!
@@MakeItKustom I'll put up with it...touche! I'm shouting at you!
Nice video,Video, a kool guy not coxky ,very good teacher ,is tig welding the same as cold welding?
Great content. Cool Dude.
Thanks Randolph!
And if you cannot access the back, like a truck rocker? MIG better choice?
That repair looked really good from where I'm sitting. As for body filler, ick. I'd rather have imperfect solid metal than have that crap on my car. I've seen your hot rod, so I think you feel about the same if not more so.
Yeah I just don’t like working with the stuff. As for the hot rod it’s too imperfect to make it perfect, just the way I like it!
Love the video, great work! And you have some classic jams playing in the background too!
One criticism, you've waaay too much skin exposed while welding. Skin cancer is no joke and that tig is pumping out SERIOUS UV. Sleeve down and glove up!
ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO MAN, THANK YOU
You’re most welcome Mike glad you dig it!
Awesome video !!!! Makes me rethink I should invest on a TIG welder and get rid of my MIG.
Keep both !Both are great for different things. If I couldn’t get to the backside of this to hammer I would’ve mig welded of it
Love the content. So glad I’ve subscribed 👍👍😎👍👍
Right on! Glad you like it! Thanks for subscribing!
Thank you.
You’re welcome!
How much amperage did u used???
I create a hole everything when I do this. Don't know why... It is very frustrating~
Awesome!
Why no gap of size of the wire? When metal gets hoter it spreads and when getting colder it shrinks so when you have no gap when you put your arc and heat your panels can colide and wrap and then they cool down whith this distorsion. Why dont leave a space of thikness of your rod just like many do with mig welding?
No gap is better. With mig welding also. If there is a gap then as you weld it will close that gap causing more distortion
Great job.
Maybe you could share how you price your jobs.
How long did it take to: file the patch panel VF and, do the actual tigging?
That bad boy is perfect boss. I have a 55 Chevy that needs a lower fender fixed. Can I cut it out hammer and dolly it straight and use the same technique you did here to put it back to original?
Yeah of course! I do that a lot as well if it’s only dents I’m dealing with
You can do that with an Oxy Acetylene #8 tip!
Sure can!
Hey ,you got any more videos on setting up a tig welder,and how to use it.?
No but I should get something like that going
Maybe a silly question. Why not use silicone bronze to weld a panel. I fill it melt and flow better ? Always wonder never try it by the way.
Silica bronze is great for certain things but not but Welding
Great vids. Could you do a similar one using a mig, I'm about to do the full floor and toe board on a Mini Moke.
The hammer trick doesn’t work with Mig welding because the mig weld sits too proud. You will have to tack grind hammer tack grind hammer.
Some very good tips that I will put to use tomorrow. Not throwing my mig away yet
Yeah I keep my mig around always Some things are better with Mig
When completed the all welding,it's unknown for us how yu did it.
Nice and simple explanation karl thanks
Great video, curious what the back side looks like, do you ever see the joint show through?
The backside will look similar to the front side with full penetration
Hello! I'm trying to TIG weld sheet metall and faced with one problem. Sometimes metall start to boiling and transferring to electrode. Can you advise what to do and am I doing wrong. Also cant weld holes after it burned throught. Same boiling is appears.
That would be porosity. You must make sure that your metal is clean and that you were getting good enough gas coverage. The boiling of the metal is not normal and must be solved first
@@MakeItKustom this boiling seems to be started from the opposite side of welded metals. And it appears after poor atempt of welding, when I want to fix holes, slows down.
Don’t know if this was asked in the comments yet, but, maybe you can make a video of mig welding a seam together as best and flush as you can, grind both sides and then planish out. Are cracks a concern? Worth a discussion for sure
Absolutely that’s something I should definitely cover on here as I do believe that mig welding is plenty enough for most people with the right technique
5.0 FTW
I've had mine since 2000. Working on a 86 SVO now.
Beautiful. Inverter or transformer?
Inverter
@@MakeItKustom Boo!
Hi ! you did not say sheet metal thickness,,amperage and how many argon was spent in the process ! ???
55 amps , 20 ga , 15 cfm
The music in the background makes it hard to hear what you are saying. You could have a great channel with your knowledge. Do not let that back ground noise ruin your videos
Thanks for the feedback Kirk we are constantly trying to improve our production. My wife and I are very new to all this
You are doing excellent......be sure to monetize your channel. People are making more money from their CZcams channel than their business.
As always, a good demo Karl. Simple and concise. I am interested to know why you didn't use a few small magnets to hold that patch in place for the initial tacking. Less chance of an uncontrolled slip I'm thinking. Are you going to demo some torch welded panels next 😊?
Magnets are great! But sometimes I have a hard time with the ark of the Torch getting a little wonky because of the magnetic field. I’m definitely going to do some Gaz welded panels in the future
@@MakeItKustom Awesome, thanks!
I used a magnet when tig welding recently. When I'd finished the magnet hardly had any magnetism left. Physics I suppose??
New to welding. Seems like he had to make the fitment of the pieces perfect… Is this just a tig thing?
Great Video. Short and to the point. QUICK QUESTION: I noticed you started your tack weld in the middle and worked your way to the ends. Was this intentional or just how you happened to do it this time? Thanks!
I like to chase the tacks ina direction so if the tighten up, I can hammer them