How Arknights created a GREAT CROSSOVER... but with a horrible story (Critique)

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  • @FeyHunt
    @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +15

    I'm still salty they didn't utilize Yato and Noir Corne's dynamics better. Such a disappointment. But hey, at least the gameplay is good.
    By the way, I have a second channel featuring how I beat every level right here: www.youtube.com/@feyhunt2

    • @BlacCato
      @BlacCato Před 11 měsíci +3

      hard agree. i honestly don't mind half of the writing problems the story have for the most part (considering that MH itself is a game with barely any but i also feel like they couldve added some sort of Arknights flair into all this like how they did in the R6 collab. shame i was hiatusing at that time :') because in my opinion, there was some good setup in the beginning. the villagers shunning Kashiwau and running the mine, coveting it and trying to rid Noir and Yato duo, good stuff. its a good "karma is a bitch" setup, but yeah it didn't go anywhere. Kashiwau's story with his son, also could've been brought somewhere like idk, he could be an active force trying to sabotage Noir and Yato because he sees Rathalos as HIS quarry but had to swallow the bitter pill at the end because both of them managed to kill Rathy and he could not. but alaaaaass.
      to me those were bad but like... its not as bad as just the duo's dynamic. goddamn was it hard to watch Yato just talking down to Noir like that, i know she values efficiency above all but come on. she really be feeling like one of the more modern take of ""strong female character"" which dear lord hurts me to say. i was hoping in the end she sees the error in her narrowminded thinking (which i guess she did) but it didn't feel earned. i wish both of their backstory was brought more to the surface too, it was teased painfully with some sentences but never really dragged out to the sunlight.
      i was also laughing hysterically when i read KirinYato's files, with Kal writing something along the lines of "Yato experienced a great deal of mental anguish in this mission" and i'm just here like bro since when??? where is it kALTSIT??? WHERE IS IT??? YEAH KALTSIT I WANT TO SEE IT

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@BlacCato Oh boy! It REALLY feels like the common Hollywood girlboss trope, isn't it? And now that you mentioned it, they also make Kashiwau the usual old and bitter men trope too.
      I did want to include this in the video, but I don't know if that's gonna attract some unwanted audience later, haha.
      Kashiwau could work as a side antagonist if he actually has some balls in him. Make him a genuine obstacle for Yato and Noir Corne. Make him a genuine threat or not at all!
      OH WAIT... The frick... That's in the files?!

    • @BlacCato
      @BlacCato Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@FeyHunt yeah i just went in and checked, it is there. i wasn't just huffing copium (at the time i checked the files, i was only like halfway through the event story). though my wording isn't that accurate but reading it verbatim, Kal wrote "Yato is tormented the way no layperson could ever imagine. The sheer willpower it must've taken to persevere until mission completion stuns even me"
      like... yeah Kal, where is it? whatever it is you're talking about, the writers shows us jack all. also cmon Kal, i don't think what she went through in this event is even any minutely comparable to your hundred years of living.
      goddamn this event could've been something for both Yato and Noir, but alas😔
      Edit : spelling

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@BlacCato That's just hilarious. This really shows how bad the writers messed up. It's either that there is no communication between the lore and the writing team, or that the story was rewritten and they forget to update the bio. Hmmm... that will make an interesting video to discuss what would the original story be from the bio files.

  • @santiagoperalta4258
    @santiagoperalta4258 Před 11 měsíci +41

    It's not a MonHun story, it's a YatoxNoire fanfic and we all know it

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +11

      Huh... If that's true I must have read a different story, because I failed to see where Yato and Noir Corne have any genuine conversation about each other. It doesn't even have to be about love. I'll settle for just friendship talk.
      I'm gonna be happy if they actually did write Yato x Noir Corne fanfic. At least then it will have better character interaction than this story. Kashiwau kinda ruins this story for me.

  • @zomfgroflmao1337
    @zomfgroflmao1337 Před 11 měsíci +17

    Yep, the story was bad, but I can kind of understand them not putting too much effort into a collab story that will never be rerun for the most part.
    They did so much work for the R6S collab and even included potential extension points, if you haven't, I recommend reading through the story of that event as it is also one of the best introduction stories for the world of Arknights, but it never came back or got extended, so all the effort was essentially wasted.
    (You can read it either online, or take an older account that played the event and read it in the archives.)

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +7

      Hmmm... that's interesting. I really thought Hypergryph writers take writing seriously, even for crossover events. Xiaohei's crossover should be a standard of writing. It's still a barebone story, but it has a soul. There are lots of funny moments, some character exploration, some deep conversation about mortality.
      Everyone keeps mentioning that Rainbow 6 crossover is the best event yet. They keep telling me it has the most difficult boss, but feels good.
      The only reason why I didn't check it out yet is because I don't want to regret something I can't change lol 😆
      Story I can reread, but the gameplay? I can't re-experience that.
      It's also very interesting that R6 is the only crossover event with an archive entry. Xiaohei and MH don't have one.

    • @freakdeath1020
      @freakdeath1020 Před 11 měsíci

      @@FeyHunt, most of the new events will have an archive entry in about a year alter for those who haven't completed yet. R6S event was 2 years ago. Xiaohei is still recent, let alone MonHun.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci

      @@freakdeath1020I'm pretty sure both Xiaohei and MonHun are both not in the archive. I just checked them right now. That's why I asked why only Operation Originium Dust exist in the archive.

  • @novyknec1113
    @novyknec1113 Před 11 měsíci +20

    I agree with what you pointed out, the story was very bad for a collab, but then you need to check that MH its a game that mostly focuses on the gameplay and not the story (which unironically was the strong point of this collab), so they didnt have too much material to work on to make feel the connection between both worlds organic as they did in R6. The writers here had it really tough since they could have made a Yato/Noir corne hang out event with the MH elements or a barebone story introducing how the MH characters arrived to Terra.
    And lol with the comparison with genshin.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +6

      Good point! MH does have quite a barebone story as well, I am aware. I think it's the legacy of old games where the story just needs to exist to give context, and there's nothing wrong with that.
      I think it would be more interesting it we give the highlight to the actual characters in the crossover, like the Felyne or Yato and Noir Corne. Not this Kashiwau.
      Kashiwau could work better if he's actually an obstacle in the story, where Yato and Noir Corne must have him teach them how to be good hunters to beat Rathalos.
      But the fact is, Kashiwau does nothing to the plot. Even if he's erased from the story, Yato and Corne would've been able to beat Rathalos with their new armor and moveset anyway.

    • @BlackHorse321323
      @BlackHorse321323 Před 11 měsíci +3

      bad base material reference does not excuse bad story adaptation. it is very clear as stated in this video that the devs prioritize game play and not the story itself. HG has a good track records of making good story for their game and this .... collab ain't one of them.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@BlackHorse321323Now I'm really curious on how great R6 collab is. An idea of future video perhaps.

    • @BlackHorse321323
      @BlackHorse321323 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@FeyHunt r6 is also known for it's game play not the story. That's why i'm very disappointed after going through mh collab story after experiencing r6 collab.
      Even more dissapointed knowing many people are blindly praising the collab just because of "hehe yato alter goes brr, rathalos cool very good collab".
      (Even MORE dissapointed after the long hype waiting for so long for this collab to happen and this is what we get).

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@BlackHorse321323Exactly! That's why I made this video so we can ask better from Hypergryph. Especially since Hypergryph don't give out surveys rather often (which based on my previous videos are worthless anyway)
      I know most people don't read the story, so maybe that's why they just praised the gameplay.

  • @Madguys101
    @Madguys101 Před 11 měsíci +10

    to quote this one guy from the mario movie controversy : "can you really blame them from having poor story material if the original work's story is just "watch me fight this lizard""

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +5

      I totally agree. Mario movie is exactly what I hoped they'll do in this event. But they focus that Mario movie on Mario. What they did in this event is basically like making a Mario movie, but centered on a random real life human character as Mario's sidekick.
      It's like that Tom and Jerry live action movie, where the human girl becomes the center point. If the title of the movie is Tom and Jerry, you would think that the movie will be about Tom and Jerry, and not a young woman finding work at a hotel.
      That's what happened with this event. Promote Yato and Noir Corne Alter, but highlight it on an old hunter NPC instead.

  • @aqira2yoo486
    @aqira2yoo486 Před 11 měsíci +10

    Just to fangirl a little. Looking at the kirin armor sets of both genders, man we could've gotten some noir abs like 10:01 LOOK AT HIS BODY HES PACKING THERE :'(((( and now we likely won't get a 6 star noir corne....
    Also the way I screamed and screeching like a monkey when I saw his alt revealing his mouth that was probably how some men felt in the Victorian era when women revealed their ankles😭 imagine how I felt when I saw the e2 with his eyes
    Also I might be delusional but he seems to be softer with us specifically with the stage clear dialogues like comparing to his 2 star dialogue 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭😳😳😳😳😳⁉️⁉️⁉️
    I'm honestly conflicted with shipping them hard and also liking them both a lot. I look forward to hg to just outright confirming their relationship 🌸

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Haha, I am all for Kirin Armor fanservice! I didn't know Yato has that beautiful eyes and abs. The only sin here is not to show both of Noir Corne's eyes!
      Noir Corne is just your chill guy I'd like to have drinks with. He's not gonna moan about his backstory, nor how hard his job is. I love him as my bro. Now I just need to get him up to Elite 2 ASAP.
      I have seen some fanarts of their shipping, which are adorable. Way better written than this crappy story. But I don't know how Yato will work for him, since Yato doesn't seem to see him as a friend even. I am all for it if Yato got some proper character development 😄😄
      But that Kirin Yato though... I drool for that 🤤

    • @obsiangravel
      @obsiangravel Před 10 měsíci

      Polycule 🌸

  • @AwesomenessWilliam
    @AwesomenessWilliam Před 11 měsíci +9

    This is a very well made video and your points are great! (Kashiwau was insufferable)
    These types of videos are amazing and I’d love to see more of them in the future

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Thank you! This one takes forever to edit. I think I need to be able to release these videos faster if I ever want to review all stories in Arknights.
      I do understand Kashiwau has his issues with grief. It's understandable and like I said in the video, you can make an unlikeable character.
      But at least make him well written. His anger is not even justified. How is he angry with everyone when he already knows he's angry about himself? Or that he already knows that the village chief has already did his best?
      It makes him look like a whining kid, instead of someone in grief.

  • @lynharth9947
    @lynharth9947 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I enjoyed Death in Chunfen more than this story and that one isn't even directly tied to any of the plotlines in Arknights. The ending of Chunfen hit so hard and the freakin village elder got more characterization than yato and noire lmao.
    Looking forward to seeing what you think of Ling's event story cux I remember disliking it. Chong Yue story on the other hand tho, 10/10

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Would definitely check it out! I haven't read Death in Chunfen yet. Clear the levels, not yet read the story. I'm doing Sui Saga right now.
      Maybe after CC12 hehe 😄😄

  • @DirtTapes_
    @DirtTapes_ Před 11 měsíci +6

    personally, i really liked the collab
    the story was barebones but monhun stories always have been to a good extent
    but my main love for the collab is the small references in the text
    like how the rathlos before the catastrophe didnt attack noir or palico, but only attacked AFTER the binoculars fell on its head usually (especially for world) they dont attack unless attacked first. its different for some monsters but still gets the point across
    aswell as the parts like in yatos kirin file where it mentions the "you can fall from any height and not take any damage" and then it being proven false, or when they have the "stump that will never break" as in the training room from monhuns very own.
    granted this is all because i come from a fan of both properties so i can really enjoy the small parts as its all very accurate to monhun gameplay. it seems like besides the story, alot of love was put into creating it

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +2

      I agree! They put a lot of effort like throwing references here and there. Like the hunting tools requirement for flash grenade only work when enemies see them, and Rathalos gets more immune to it as you use it more. Or that he takes double damage when he gets exploded in his sleep.
      I don't believe it's impossible for them to create a great original story if they put an effort into it. This time, they didn't try to. Xiaohei crossover should be the standard for this.

  • @Top_Nep
    @Top_Nep Před 11 měsíci +6

    Dude I can CUT OFF RATHALOS'S TAIL THATS SICK AF, had a better time than watching the live movie ngl

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Haha! That's low blow to the already dead movie 😅😅
      Like I said, the gameplay is top-notch! But the story could use some more work into it. Hehe.

  • @byeguyssry
    @byeguyssry Před 11 měsíci +4

    8:06 Until you use Yato Alter with the Wiretrap and suddenly it's almost trivial lol

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      That's why it's stupidly fun. Yato Alter go brrr...

  • @pmintertek
    @pmintertek Před 11 měsíci +2

    While Melder system was no doubt inspired by MH one, it's not the first time they've used a gachapon mechanic for event shop. The other time they've used it was in Heart of Surging Flame event which was one of the first events in the game.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci

      I see! How did the players react to it?

  • @VCE4
    @VCE4 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Overall I agree with you
    Also liked that scene in a cave with comparison of Originium and monsters. Though story definitely felt "err, okay..?" sometimes.
    As for Yato, for me her character felt okay. Combining the fact that she is a tsundere and very dutiful person in position of a squad leader, her attitude towards Corne (while still on mission) felt alright.
    The most weirdest part of her story (for me) was cauterizing her wound. After cutting through flesh till the bone visible with a burning hot knife, she is not only kept able to move, but even fight like nothing happened.
    In fact, nothing happened. Because the only thing that leaded towards something in future (as far as I can remember) is the rope she used to stop bleeding. Then she used this rope to somehow help the old hunter to get out of dire situation.
    But again, we can safely remove those parts from the story and nothing will really change.
    So, overall, yeah. Some new lore and char info is cool, but not the best Arknights story I have read.
    (P.s. fuck the Rathalos. The most annoying in-game boss by a large amount)

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Oh, I was about to comment on that cauterizing scene too. If you ever worked at ER before, you will know that touching bare bone will send you immediately into shock and faint. The fact she can just brush it off is like... okay?
      Rathalos is sort of designed so that you have to use the Hunting Tools. You can do it like me with DPS burst, or you can do it like Kyostinv with Surtr hunting tool spam.
      I think the most annoying part is his random attack. You can't just have a Shielder tanking the hits.
      But I would argue that Andoain or Degenbrecher are more annoying. Those invulnerable frame with evasion is just too much.

  • @BlackHorse321323
    @BlackHorse321323 Před 11 měsíci +3

    basically a fan service of a collab. Replace noir corne and yato with any operators and it wouldn't change a damn thing. 5/10 collab.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Exactly. Gameplay is good. But in terms of the story, it is a complete opposite of fanservice. It's like fan-letdown.
      You have my permission to post it on subreddit if you want to. Usually sharing my own stuff there counts as promotion instead.

  • @cefrinaldi8060
    @cefrinaldi8060 Před 11 měsíci +2

    The gameplay for monhun event is crazy, love how we beat up rathalos with nekomimi. But yeah, in term of collab, its a terrible story. At least i got to watch yato×noir fanfic. Hoping they bang each other.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      They did amazing work on the gameplay! Holy frick, there are references everywhere fron Hunting Tools, Rathalos behavior, and so much more 🤤🤤
      I think one of many reason why there are so many fanfic about Yato x Corne after this event is the unsatisfying writing we have in this event. Yato and Corne barely talk like good friends. Or it's just shipping culture.
      I've seen many adorable fanarts about Yato and Corne being friends or lovers. The one where they blushed at each other in their new armors are just 👍

  • @Razor4884
    @Razor4884 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I respectfully disagree. But to each their own.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci

      It's totally okay! We love free speech here in this channel.
      But I would like to know why do you think the story is fine or great even. We could make it a short discussion if you're not into discussion. I'm always open to different point of view.

  • @consignado6
    @consignado6 Před 11 měsíci +1

    great vid fam

  • @lettersboi1926
    @lettersboi1926 Před 10 měsíci

    good analysis and agree with all of your point, but maybe try not including another franchise that not related at all
    afterall i believe the point of this video was to analysis the monhun collab not shitting on another game

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 10 měsíci

      Thank you. I assume you're referring to me speaking ill of Genshin, yes? I believe I have the right to express it because before I did play Genshin for 2.5 years, before switching to Arknights. In fact, you can find 150+ Genshin playthrough videos in this channel.
      One of my complaints about Genshin's story quest is that it lacks any focus on the character. It's a type of story that is written just because it needs to be there. Not because it wants to tell a story.
      I think the only game I ever played with the writing this bad is Neptunia 1. And I would say, Genshin is at least coherent.
      Hence, I think it's entirely justified for me to make the comparison. It's not intended to be malicious, nor an uninformed statement. It's like saying a product is good because you tried its worse competitor.
      I want Genshin story writing to be as good as Arknights. If that ever happened, I am willing to give it another go. My goal is to discuss what can be improved, not to badmouth anyone. I hope you understand

  • @b2bsilliness468
    @b2bsilliness468 Před 11 měsíci +1

    To be fair, it's kinda difficult to blend Arknights and monster hunter un terms of story since you know.......
    I've played monster hunter after the collab hitsband let me tell you the story (at least in monster hunter world) is the most basic thing I've ever seen
    Heck I think the psp monster hunter doesn't have any at all

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I respectfully disagree. There has been a lot of comments saying it's difficult to make stories with MH world.
      My complain about the story is two fold. If you can't create a good crossover story, at least just create a good story.
      The story is not crap because it's Monster Hunter. It's crap because they didn't put any effort on writing the characters.

    • @b2bsilliness468
      @b2bsilliness468 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@FeyHunt true, it feels really jarring reading through it.
      Especially the interaction between Noir and Yato, Yato in particular feels very OOC with how she's written as rash and reckless despite the fact that she and Noir are both veterans

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Exactly. Yato feels unnecessarily rude. This is definitely not the Yato I read in her bio. The Yato here feels like she's on her first mission, pulling ranks everywhere to get her will across.
      Yato in her bio, voiceline, and description is actually very easy-going and feels competent.
      I don't know who wrote this story. It's probably either someone who doesn't understand Arknights characters or someone who didn't have experience in it.

    • @b2bsilliness468
      @b2bsilliness468 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@FeyHunt everytime Yato acts irrationally in the story I can feel interest diminishing slowly bit surely 😔
      At least Noir and the felynes interaction are amusing

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Noir Corne is the MVP in this event and makes it bearable. Kashiwau and Yato scenes were just draining.
      Would definitely want to buy him drinks any day. Hit me up, Corne.

  • @eddieboston6540
    @eddieboston6540 Před 11 měsíci

    I disagree I thinks it a ok story I skip the main story because it sucks ass so I was about to skip the event story as well but I love monster hunter so I gave it a shot.
    It's better then the main plot but that's not a high bar to reach the event story is 5/10. That's most likely bias on my part for loving monster hunter if it wasn't tied to it most likely be ass like the main plot.
    At least the gameplay is meh I was about to drop arknights because there's only so much shit I can take.
    Nah this event isn't staying so when it leaves so will I. I got to find a non browser game to play maybe that new code geass game

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci

      That's a pretty based take! I respect it 😄😄

  • @tako4316
    @tako4316 Před 11 měsíci

    The skip button is your friend in arknights.

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Don't get me wrong. I love most stories in Arknights. You can check my playlist in this channel for that. I love Xiaohei's crossover story. I gave glowing reviews for Reed's event or IL Siracusano.
      This one surprised me, because the writing quality is just so bad, that I just thought it was written by a Genshin writer.
      My complain doesn't come from someone who hates stories in Arknights. Quite the opposite. I love Arknights stories, but this is not one of them.

  • @zaxzainal.5077
    @zaxzainal.5077 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Just fyi btw, MH melder always had very very terrible rng. The one you show from MH world is the low level consumable melder, witch is why it's guaranteed. The decorations melder, witch is the most important one for Armor sets builds has like small chance to get a decent decoration. To get a great decoration from the melder would take litteral days or weeks of grinding. At least the melder rewards in arknights has guaranteed limited amount to redeem. The one in MH is literally infinite amount rng.
    (PS. Rathalos may look like a generic dragon design, but as the main character for the OG MH game and still the face of the MH franchise, just having him in the collab make huge impact)

    • @FeyHunt
      @FeyHunt  Před 11 měsíci

      Yeah, I did find out what a garbage timewaster the Decoration Melder is. Not only that you're not guaranteed to get any good ones, you also have to wait until after each hunt is completed.
      But I think Consumable Melder is the better comparison since we're trying to get items out of the Arts Melder, and not to upgrade an item.