How to ADD SOCKETS to a RING CIRCUIT. WAGOBOX & WAGO connectors. How to wire a double socket!
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- In this video I show how I add two sockets to a ring final circuit in my home using Wago connectors and the Wagobox junction box.
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Fantastic video, thank you. You explained it all so clearly.
Great to see you back. Great info and tips 👍
Thanks for the comment. Glad you found it useful 👍
Fischer are my go to Plugs.
Great video
Mine too!
Excellent vid bud, nice and easy to follow.
Amazing video! Helped me out a ton so massive thanks 😊
Thanks for watching 👍
Well explained, thank you, just what I wanted to know. Cheers
No problem 👍
Great video, I plan to do this very soon. Difference is I plan to extend from a existing socket rather than cutting into the ring and extending it as the new on will go at the other side of the wall to a existing socket.
I am needing to do same as need to take feed from existing socket to feed 3 sockets in a media wall will it be same process
Nice job. Good instruction 👍
Thank you.
Great job 👍
Thanks 👍
The joys of working with old houses. My house is 130 years old and has the lovely mortar walls. I have never been brave enough to hack them off, so have skimmed over them all, but the mortar comes to bite me in the ass everytime I drill a hole.
I found the Wago XL box is easier to work with than the standard ones, and can take both connections.
Good advice 👍
some tip here on multitool you put two blades and cut the channel at once.
Thanks for the tip 👍
Amazing video. Can I ask, if you were to do this yourself, some electrical experience but competent, do you need to get any certificate to get this signed off. Also, I have a multi-tool that I brought during Black Friday, seen a few videos people have used this instead of sds and then hammer with a chisel. What is that blade called you used with the multi-tool. Also, can you give a link to your pen tester as well or similar one. Thank you, subscribed. Will come in handy when I do this to my own home.
How to tell if the added sockets are spur or has the existing ring circuit become bigger? Thank you.
Very good explanation …….any reason why you didn’t bury the sockets in the wall to match the others instead of mounting a wall box ?
It was purely the mess and the fact I'd have to replaster a section of wall. I had enough work to do on the room already plus the sockets are hidden by the TV unit. Thanks for watching 👍
3:44
-impact for pilot holes ⛏️🪓
-combi to fasten 🪛
a multi-material drill bit on the impact driver will get through the wood and brick in one action
then use the adjustable clutch on the combi-drill to fasten your screws to the desired depth with no risk of overtightening or blow outs,
(the *impact* driver as the name suggests, is a torque monster, use that power where its needed and not where it will cause problems like rounded off screw heads)
no right or wrong, but one takes twice as long...
When you break existing ring does the new cable need to be attached in a certain way. Eg does the electricity current come from one direction and exit the room in a different direction on the ring. If so how can you check/test for this?
How’s the loft conversion going? Looking forward to the next video 👍
Loft was complete years ago. I lost a lot of footage which is yet to be recovered from my hard drive. Hopefully I'll get it back and bang a few more vids out. Thanks for watching 👍
Using wago boxes under floor boards likely would not meet building regs as not readily accessible. Should be crimped and additional heat sealed sleeves.
Can someone put this question to bed. Is using the Wago 221/222 for a 32A MCB acceptable on a ring? I read when fitted in the junction box that its de-rated to 20A.... Thanks in advance
Yes
What is the thickness of the cable you are using? Or did I miss that bit? lol.
You missed it! 2.5mm twin and earth.
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE
Thank you I watched it on my tea break and just watched it again. lol. Thanks once again. 😀
Couldn’t you have used a Quickwire 4 way splitter?
you don't have to remove the skirting board, just drill thru and get some quick fixing plugs (they longer) , just hammer them in
Doing tgat would have taken half my wall off! It's victorian with lime mortar on the walls 140 years old, it doesn't take much to bring itvaway from the wall. Thanks for watching 👍
no its not just drill thru the board into the wall The quick fixing plugs are thin too@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE
How much roughly would a job like that cost ?
It's just DIY for me so I have no idea the going labour rate for that sorry. Thanks for watching.
Can I put a socket lower than 450mm?
The Building Regulations now require that power sockets must be positioned no lower than 450mm above the floor, Oh "Henry" is NOT a "Hoover" its made by "Numatic"
You've done it already now, but the Wago 222 connectors you've used to extend the ring circuit in a maintenance free installation are "de-rated" down to 20amps. Your ring circuit OPD is rated at 32amps. This means your connection is in theory rated lower than your conductor and your OPD, and is now hidden underneath the floorboards.
You also are required to cable tie the maintenance free junction box closed. It would also be useful if you pointed out to your viewers the importance of the positioning of the cable grips in the wagobox/connexbox - the cable clamp/grip feature is an essential part of the junction box becoming "maintenance free".
You also should point out the importance of working out the max aggregate current guidance on junction boxes?
These things all need to be considered.
This information is all freely available from the manufacturers and from NAPIT etc.
Check out the hager/ashley 32amp maint free junction box. Its a decent product.
As a non electrician, I struggle to understand why the cable is needed from the second socket back to the first. I just can't get my head around it. Also, am I correct in saying the second socket could have been a spur off the first socket?
One leg went to the socket on the left, the other leg to the socket on the right, and then cable between the two to complete the ring.
One socket on the ring and the other a spur is an option. But why use a spur when you have two legs for the ring available?
@@martinw245 Cheers Martin. I must admit I do feel a bit silly posting my comment after getting my feeble mind around it 😂
Thanks for explaining.
@alpachino468 I think Martin answered your question? Thanks for watching
DON'T! Rely on those mains tester pens. They ARE unreliable. Use another means in addition to ensure the circuit is dead. And just pocking the tip or the tester on the cable isn't good enough, I did that once and got no indication it was live. You have to wipe the pen all around the cable. But again, don't rely on just those testing pens.
Thanks for the feedback.
i have 2 of the pens and kept hearing they can stop working. i always use both and a socket tester if on a socket, and one pen stopeed working and didnt detect, even with fresh batteries, so its true dont rely on 1 method alone. binned the pen. blue one from screwfix.
Working in my sons house we had a unidentified disconnected cable in loft it was showing dead on a pen type mains tester so I snipped it & yep it was still alive so much for cheap Chinees crap lecky tools which does not get tested & would no way pass Govt regulated Elec Regs same with their cheap Zillion watt Diamond core drills of which the earths are non existent & have been banned in Britain but still selling on certain sites in UK FFS!
How do you know it’s a ring circuit
I rewired the house when I bought it. Thanks for watching 👍
You can do a continuity test with a multi-meter.
@@Benzkneeshow would this prove of its a ring or a radial?
@@raj080288 - A ring connects back to itself at the consumer unit, so testing two live or neutral or earth ends should give a low resistance reading (with the power off of course, and all devices unplugged/isolated).
You have 2 browns in the MCB
You forgot to put the socket screw covers on 😂
I'd never use an impact driver on a wall plug mate, its too much force. Hence it broke the plaster.
It's more the plaster, it's over tge top of old lime mortar. Hense why I didn't chase tge boxes out, ends up taking half the wall off! Thanks for the feedback 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSEWall plugs are awkward things to work with especially on old buildings but in my experience the impact is asking for problems. A normal drill on screwdriver low torque setting usually gets them in fine without damage; better to start with low torque 👍
Voltage tester is better u can test for 240 between l and neutral and live and earth 240 volt stick not reliable
Mr Prouse .. I've enjoyed your videos.
But in this case we need to remember that all cable joints should be at fittings where they are accessible later.
Maintenance free joints hidden under floors and in walls should only be used as a last resort.
Also this really is a job for a qualified professional electrician.. its past DIY level.. and as such shouldn't really be encouraged.
I actually thought it was illegal (not illegal, perhaps, but insurance invalidating) to add a socket as a DIYer.
To my knowledge a maintenence free box if installed correctly can be used full stop. You say last resort, what other option did I have? As for encouraging, I'd say I'm showing the correct way, rather than encouraging. If someone is intending to do this work anyway, then better to do it as safe as possible rather than guess. Thanks for the feedback 👍
@@martinw245 yep, that's what I wasn't sure about. Thanks for clarifying.
@ricos1497
I think I deleted my reply. What did I say? 😳 I may have been inaccurate. Regs changed in 2013 and less became notifiable. Spur is not notifiable and my interpretation is extending a ring isn't if its not in a special location.
@@martinw245 no worries, that makes sense. I'm in Scotland, so the rules might be different here anyway.
I thought extending the ring was beyond the permitted scope for non qualified????
If it's not a 'special location' then it's not notifiable in Wales. Hope that helps.
Just leave electrics to the professionals…jack….didn’t even test for ring continuity…..no loop impedance test done …….certainly a jack
You must be confused, my name's Pouse. Thanks for watching 👍
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS VIDEO AS ADVISE - whilst the install advise is generally ok, the electrical advise is not - no insulation testing, no ring continuity testing, no R1+R2, RCD or Zs tests. How does he know he hasn't extended a spur and created a serious fire hazard. And the use of a volt pen… this is not exactly safe isolation !! If I worked like this I would be dead within weeks.
Thanks for the feedback James 👍
Whilst you're correct in what you've done in terms of adding those sockets to the ring main, this was a very very quickly overview and nobody should be promoting this as something diyers should do... Too many people may see this, feel too confident and pose a serious risk to themselves or family
You may be right, but I think someone looking for this video is likely to do it anyway. I fully take your point regarding quick overview but I guess that's the nature of video format. If it was in real time it'd be a pretty dull watch! Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching 👍
You also recommended any DIY electrical work is checked for part p so I think you’ve advised appropriately.
Wow British homes are a mess. How many rodents live down there?😅 You guys must be allergic to concrete floor.
Many of our houses do have concrete floors, especially new homes. Lots of wooden floors though. Don't forget, we have a rich history and some very old houses.
The house was built in 1889 so it isn't of a 'modern construction'. New builds have damp proofed, insulated floors often with underfloor heating and insulated brick cavities or insulated timber frame construction. Hope that helps! Thanks for watching 👍
This is not good .
Not once do you explain about checking the existing installation before adding these new sockets. Also never assume a ring is a ring without testing. It’s so easy if you don’t know what your doing to cut into a cable that’s a spur or a broken ring.
You should never be showing this sort of stuff to DIYers
Blimey why not
IMHO the information is already out there in many books and other formats. I haven't watched this gentleman's video in full but whether he uploaded it or not people will still attempt such work for various reasons, and with varying degrees of success. Of course if you are not competent you shouldn't attempt the work. But there are a lot of people who aren't competent drivers but they'll still be out on the road endangering themselves and others, whether or not they've watched some moron being pursued by police on CZcams. Rant over. Peace to all...
@andysims4906 You're assuming it's DIYers watching. From the comments it appears it's all electricians telling me I shouldn't be uploading such videos! 😂 The work is not notifiable in Wales so people may well attempt this work as a DIYer regardless. Hopefully they'll have half a chance of getting it right now. Also there are many other vids showing this work online. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE they ain’t worried about any one catching a Zapp their worried your putting them out of a job that they can go pounce a extra £200 to take home 🏡
No. In fact, it's very good, and very useful.
Who didn't check? Who assumed anything? How many live cables have been cut into by qualified electricians? The assumption that a qualification proves common sense and intelligence is a false one.
That is not a reliable way of proving dead, ...you shouldn't be promoting DIY electrical works.
Thanks for the feedback.