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Klingon Empire VS Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyer & Tie Fighters - Both Ways - Star Trek Starships
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
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Today we put a small Klingon Fleet against an Imperial Star Destroyer, escorted by a number of Tie Fighters.
Played in Star Trek Bridge Commander Remastered.
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Benny Hill theme plays as that Neg'var goes for a spin.
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Before this starts, I would predict that the Klingons smash the Empire fleet, simply because the Tie fighters cannot even penetrate the navigation deflectors and there's no weapon on the ISD, that can get through the shields on Trek ships. I'm guessing that the game being used does some balancing though or this would be a short fight.
Looks like Anakin Skywalker is piloting those Klingon ships...
These specs don't seem like any Star Wars vessels I've seen before. The range on their turbo lasers shouldn't go even 10% of the range of a phaser, disruptor, and especially not torpedoes. The plasma bolts, like from tie fighters, should have no effect on shielding from Star Trek of any era.
But some Star Wars energy calculations get out of hand, like most saying the Star Killer Base uses one star to output more energy than 1,000 supernova. That's kinda ridiculous to me, but it is science fantasy.
ISD shield system was extremely limited at best! Designed to negate against Primitive Laser and Blaster weapons!!! Simple
EM based deflector array! Exposed to even an A snub fighter through a Bridge Window port! Never mind a " Nuclear equivalent of a dozen Photon Torpedoes " traveling at warp velocities!!!! Or armor melting pulse phaser beams sweeping the hull!!!!
See the round things on the bridge mast of the star destroyer? Yeah shield generators. Try shooting those...😂😂😂
General Martok would disagree with this result. Imperial treachery and cheating! Surely they got help from those pesky Romulan P'takhs 😂
2:32 there's a reason why the key for the cloaking device is labeled "Gateway to Gre'Thor".
The Klingon fire sounds like phasers. Disruptors have a unique sound.
4:55 "lets try spinning" a childlike Anakin said Vader's mind as he watched the battle unfold, it was a memory of his daring attack on that drone command ship from when he as a child and so Vader thought "i wonder? these 'Klingons' are not that dangerous maybe today i will just have some fun" reaching out with his left hand Vader caught the first of the enemy battleships and commanded it to spin using the force. as the ship span mercilessly out of control Vader let out a little chuckle that was audibly heard upon all the crew of the devastator's bridge command and all were unsettled till Grand Moff Tarkin came in exclaiming "having fun Lord Vader? im sure his excellency will be most pleased that you are enjoying yourself at the expense of these unknown aliens" Vader no longer amused let the ship go as it tumbled into a death spiral self destructing from Vader's grim act, like a cat toying with a mouse only to suddenly kill it.
5:32 with not so much care Vader once again reached out and began his insane torment of the alien crew upon the second alien ship he had started spinning all the while letting out a terrible blood curdling laughter that came from the bowls of his mechanical stomach but also one that echoed through the force like an ill omen in the wind. to say the crew of the devastator wished for mercy upon the aliens attacking them may have been the biggest understatement for that laughter coming out of the demented sith lord was one they would not soon forget nor will that laughter leave them not even in there sleep...........
My WC Neg does the exact same thing, lol, great vid👍👍
Reactor is the bulb underneath. However, you basically kept playing into their strengths by going at a top attack.... where all of their actual armaments worth something in a ship to ship battle are. You must attack the underbelly with vigor.
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I mean, they are called TURBO Lasers, maybe they were giving the Klingons a Turbo booster mod??!!
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Regarding the Trekyards episode about the Neg'vhar with what they said regarding the Mirror Universe version. I agree that the Mirror Universe counterpart was like 2 or 3 times larger than the prime universe.
I freaking laughed out loud when the Star Destroyer took you out that quickly. I think you got too close to the Star Destroyer and they were able to just pounded you with their laser cannons. I think distance would probably have been the right course of action then gone after their shield generators since they were on the top of the left and right tower where the bridge is.
I freaking laughed extremely hard when the first Neg'vhar was spinning then even more when the second one spun around. I laughed so hard that I had to do it quietly since my in laws and wife went to bed. That was freaking hilarious.
I'm not surprised armored Voyager was able to take out the Star Destroyer with one transphasic torpedo.
All the times the Klingon's were destroyed… at least right before, "Perhaps today is a good day to die!" You should have shown a picture of Regent Worf instead of Worf in the cowboy hat lol.
LOL. Yes, unfortunately Regent Worf was too busy teaching Garak how to be a true warrior and not hem women's dresses 😂
The key to the Impstar is it's poor design. All the big guns are on top while the reactor (if the BC version is true to old tech manuals) is more easily reached from the relatively under defended ventral (bottom side) but it's shields seem to modeled too OP. SW blasters and turbo lasers are basically plasma bolts. Those Neghvar siege cannons should have been able to punch through the SD deflector screens. Maybe not the first shot but followup volleys should have gotten through.
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Hate this stupid Star destroyer mod. Ridiculous.
Make us a more realistic RBG version!! That would be awesome.
Apparently whoever did the Millennium Falcon mod must have done the Star Destroyer... Way OP...
considering that kirks ship has multi contintinal feats and tng era ships has moon to small plantary statements and feats. the star wars ships besides the death star would lose horribly to any tng era ship.maybe win against tos ships.
@@nicholashoward971 I would put that star destroyer maybe early Constitution. By 2269, the Constitution would trounce it.
@@aaronatwood9298 i can see that happen
Something else to remember according to TOS episode journey to Babel phaser range was 75,000 km while in TNG it was stated to be in the hundreds of thousands of KM range.
Also in ST:TMP it showed the refitted Enterprise destroy a space rock in one hit where the Star Destroyer took several to destroy a space rock of roughly the same size.
That alone should also say something about the destructive power of the Connie Refit in comparison to a turbo laser of a Star destroyer.
Meanwhile the range of all SE ship weapons are 5k
I've been saying this for years.
Oi! Retro-Badger! If you read this, mind fixing it, please?!
In my opinion, the Wars weapons should be scaled down by a great deal.
To use real-life firearms as an example, phase cannons should be akin to... .38 Special.
TOS phasers, 45 ACP, TMP a tad bit higher.
TNG-era phasers are 50 BMG, including the Defiant's.
Picard/STO should range from 20mm cannon shells to 30mm, depending on boat size.
Turbolasers should be .22 Long Rifle. Now before you get in an uproar, 22LR is still dangerous. It's just a question of rate of fire and number of guns.
Most Wars boats have lots of guns, so it's a matter of taking evasive action to avoid getting pounded.
Wars shields should also be downgraded. A LOT. I know the multiple Wars shield types are nigh-impossible to pull off in Bridge Commander, so just weaken them as a whole to make up for their weaknesses.
If you read this, Retro-Badger, please edit them.
Super star destroyer definitely needs a rebalance, I don't think it would have won.
In the episode with the defiant in the mirror universe fighting their klingon flagship, the defiant is like a little bug flying around its hull. Thats probably what trek yards was referring to. The size difference was like a millennium falcon flying around a star destroyer. And the defiant is around 150m so for the mirror neghvar to dwarf it like that would make it gigantic.
Also tbf to the ISD here, idk what the mod is like but a Canon ISD (or legends) has dozens of turbo laser and ion cannon batteries so it's no slouch
I'm wondering if the ships drifting like that is supposed to be because ion cannons are meant to disable ship systems and go temporarily derelict.
Now make a klingon fleet of like 12 ships against the ISD lol *game crashes*
0:43 my prediction at this point is that the Star Wars mod was juiced with insane levels of power making this a tough battle. If the star wars ship is properly balanced a single warbird should match it in terms of firepower and shield strength.
A single warbird, wow you must be high.
@@Lowflyingmoose tng era ships have moon to small plantary feats and statements. that star war ship is cooked.
Heck, in one episode (the one where Lwaxana falls in love with a scientist from a culture where the elderly are retired from life at 60, regardless of health), the Enterprise-D, studying a star, accidentally forces the thing to destabilize and go nova.
Star Wars: Destroying a star is the province of galactic superweapons.
Star Trek: Whoops! We got the math wrong.
@@balrighty3523 or the time when janway wanted to blow up a proto star to turn it into a wormhole to get back to Federation space.
@@nicholashoward971 Yeah no, they struggle to blow up an asteroid in the episode where Troy's mum is trying to get married to someone she didn't meet. The only time we see any planitary level stuff is when they are trying to save unstable planets and end up making it worse. Even a Victory Star Destroyer, thats about 1/4 of a regular one has enough power to completely glass a planet from orbit. Both franchises have statements of power that are ludecrous and if you want to take that rought then yeah the Star Destroyer would win with one standard Turo Laser but lets not take that rought as it's obviously each franchise just pulling dumb numbers from their ass. In reality the two universes if we go from visuals are fairly ballanced. We see the Enterprise D easilly destroy an Asteroid with a single Photon however it isn't fully destroyed and they lack thae capasity to destroy it's core without maxing out the deflector dish. We see a Star Destroyer in empire easilly one shotting large asteroids too. Both ships can tank heavy hits with their shields as we know the star destoyers tanked asteroids of hours and we see the Enterprise E get hit by the wing of a Romulan ship in Nemesis. Both franchises are fairly even in power if we don't take off hand statements or random extended universe numbers and just go from pure visuals and what the screen shows us. It's simple the Star Destroyer is about 3 times as massive as the Klingon ships and has 8 octuple super heavy turbo lasers, 60 heavy/standard turbo lasers and 60 heavy ion canons ten tractor beam emittors and 72 tie fighters/bombers/interceptors. The Kilingons here are just outclassed by an order of magnitude. However I do think the Armoured Voyger is probably accurate that thing was tanking many Borg cubes and one shotting them so yeah when we get later in the time line there is no contest the star destroyer gets crushed. Now bring in the Enterprise E and maybe a Defiant or two and then we are talking.
That Start Destroyer is way too powerful there is no way it could stand up to those heavy disruptors they dropped ds9s Shields in one hit and that was holding up to an entire Klingon Fleet firing at it there's no way a start destroyers Shields are that powerful
no, it's about right. Their power generation abilities are pretty crazy compared to Star Trek. For instance to blow up Alderaan at the speed we see it happen, requires the power output of a STAR.
Just because you prefer star trek, doesn't make it more powerful. a Star Destroyer could swat the Enterprise D out the sky with one shot. A Turbo Laser can blast equivalent of 200 GIGATONS. A photon torpedo is 64 megatons (1.5kg of matter and antimatter). They're orders of magnitude more powerful.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 That would be an applicable point but you have made 1 small error. Turbo Lasers are energy based thus you would beed to compare them to phasers or pulse phasers depending on the ship, i bleave star wars use photonic torpedos unlike the federation photon/quantium or transphasic. not including tricobolt.
@@mwshields9002it's not even an applicable point as star destroyers have not demonstrated 200 gigaton turbolasers
@@keyboardt8276 It is if you consider 200 gigatons would apply to explosive say like TNT. Turbo Lasers do not have explosives....well unless thay explode from overpower or heating or have lithium power storage. All energy based weapons are by cannon based kenetic weapons.
@@mwshields9002the impact of a kinetic weapon with 200 gigatons of energy would still produce an explosion similar to an explosive of that size
I'm curios to how the fight would have gone between the romulans and starfleet when they rescued the USS Prometheus. 3 Warbirds against 2 defiants and 1 akira, without the Prometheus helping.
You could try abusing the Star Destroyer's blind spot which is the behind. Imho basically any Star Trek ship outclasses an SD in weapon precision, maneuverability and, which might be most important, weapon range (and I would also say weapon strength).
We saw in TNG that a Nebula ship needed only one torpedo salve to destroy a Galor ship that was at least 250.000 km away. An ISD might be dangerous in close range but I just don't see what it could do against being shot from that distance or from behind. And I have seen nothing in Star Wars movies that comes close to Photon Torpedos efficiency.
The Klingon ships seemed to have an advantage at long range, getting close is the death knell. I suppose that spinning uncontrollably has a lot to do with the ion cannons that affect the electronic systems on board, especially vulnerable once the shields have been minimized with that impressive artillery barrier that Star Destroyers deploy.
Anyway it is unreal, the accuracy of the Star Destroyer's weapons is as if they had been fitted with Starfleet firing systems. It is precisely a much lower success rate that greatly differentiates both universes. Additionally, while we can say that hyperspace jumps are faster than warp speeds, Star Trek ships are much faster and more agile moving in sublight. That star destroyer was doped with UFP systems
Is the SD based on the old extended universe Star Wars where they have gigaton turbolases? Also never seen any Star Was ship have that rate of fire or accuracy.
Exactly!
Did the spinning kingons get rammed by a Tie fighter? Off subject, from what I remember from other games, the way you take out a ship from the Star Destroyer family is, you get out of range, then take out the Tie Fighters. After that, you either pound it from a distance or, you try to get underneath it, where it has fewer guns. (Staying under the ship is not easy.)
I have been moving to Europe for the last few months and don't have access to any of my X86 computers. Just the moment I have my lab fully back up and running, I will try to get BC working on WINE. (You have inspired me. I can't wait to play the game. More so, I can't wait to start creating mods for the game.)
I do have one very small request. If it's too hard or brakes stuff, please ignore. From what I can see, the graphic on the lower right corner shows your own ships armor status. It is usually covered up by the subscribe button. It would be cool to see how the armor on various ships regenerates. Can that graphic be moved while in combat? From what I think I can see, the armor slowly grows back until it is destroyed. Then it does not come back. Is that correct?
Star destroyer with tie fighters vs. Federation Galactica with valkyrie fighters please.
the mirror universe neghvar is 4500 metres and a normal neghvar is only 700 metres
can the Oberth class beat the runabout, delta flyer, and/or peregrine ??? LOL
What game is this / what format? Looks so much fun!
Galaxy X vs Star Destroyer!
problem is you're getting too close. Turbo Lasers are nasty like that.
I’d like to see tie fighters vs Klingon shuttle
We saw what the lance on the Galaxy X could do.
But could it take down a star destroyer?
Ty for the video and LLAP!
Um, lasers won't even scratch the paint on any Trek ship.
While what you said is true, the “turbo lasers” are not really lasers. They charge up something called tibanna gas and fire it out superheated. Essentially they fire plasma weapons. I’d put big Star Wars turbo lasers at around the same yield as early tng romulan disrupters at best.
@@kellyevans3254 Turbo Lasers fire a type of plasma, which is basically useless against a shielded Star Trek ship.
A true clash of empires
Starwars ships seem overly overpowered. Even the tie fighters!
Fire Power seems about right now the shields on the over hand seemed too strong.
I'd like to see some Centauri ships from Babylon 5 get some play
Definitely a fanboy star wars made mod.
Star War is fantasy, so you find this reflected in their specs for ships and weapons, even though the on screen evidence for their effectiveness is questionable.
I think it went great
The difference between tech in each universe doesn't translate well. Ion cannons supposedly ignore shields in SW. Proton torpedoes are just fancy nukes.
Ah... the dangers of comparing Trek to Wars.
Pity the internal bridge doesnt change with the race
The amount of people fundamentally misunderstanding how star wars tech works is infuriating to me. They're just called lasers, but they're actually particle or plasma weapons like disruptors are. And the shielding is way more complicated and powerful than just a simple EM field. Please do research before saying such things. Star wars and Star Trek tech are very well equivalent to each other. The reason the ISD is so powerful is because it's ENORMOUS, and nearly a third of it is just reactor and the supporting systems for said reactor.
How about the NX01 Vs the Dekyhr/T'plana'hath?
You didn't fight like a klingon. Klingons decloak and attack then cloak again. They would have got close and target the bridge. Then upon losing, ram the ship with theirs. But its was an interesting fight.
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Regent Worf's Negh'var is quite a bit bigger. Just look at the size of the Defiant flying around it. Those underslung cannons are bigger than the Defiant itself!
why not just make a cannon that shoots defiants? =D
yeah a normal neghvar is about 700 metres the regents was 4500 metres
Yeaaa
1:05 You could always cheat by using the Star Destroyers from "Star Wars: Rebels", specifically the ones featured in the episode "Zero Hour".
1:27 Is that a new episode?
A fleet of defiants would own a star destroyer. Large fleet that that is
Star Destroyer is massievly overpowered. here. Typical fan-ship.
Yeah, have to agree. Whoever did those Star Wars mods was a huge fan-boy.
no, it's about right. Their power generation abilities are pretty crazy compared to Star Trek. For instance to blow up Alderaan at the speed we see it happen, requires the power output of a STAR.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719that was a ship the size of a moon. In the original series a ship smaller than a star destroyer called “the destroyer” could achieve a similar feat.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 Per canon, that is only possible because of the kaiburr crystals used in light sabres and hugely in the Death Star. Regular Star Destroyers do not have those.
When Alderaan goes and Obi-Wan senses it, Han says it’s more firepower than thousands of ships, more than he’d ever seen. Meanwhile, as I recall, there’s an episode of TNG where the Enterprise-D is drilling into a planet to help & have to be very careful to not actually destroy the planet in the process. Their power levels are entirely different and always have been.
Real talk: the bird of prey would utterly tear them apart, a neghvar is just unfair man. For comparison, turbo lasers on a heavy star destroyer are around equal to mountain level. The nx-01 with 2 phase cannons in season 1 of enterprise, showcased a large island level feat by evaporating an area as larger and wide as mount kinley. A single shot from a disruptor cannon by this time should likely be hundreds of times stronger.
The Star Trek ships have a higher fire rate but less accuracy. Bridge Commander doesn't have intentionally bad firing ships.
It make sense in the way i see it... star trek fleet command Jellyfish vs ISS Jellyfish ISS Jellyfish is Bigger!
You lost with the klingons because you weren't fighting like a klingon.
Know thy enemy, Attack from the blind spot were their is no turbo laser firing arcs. And that is the directly behind the main engines. It would appear the Klingons failed at Death Blossom.
Gaila: That is so weird, what you don't love me? lol Star trek 2009 Gaila Quote lol
The issues really is range here.
In canon trek weapons have ranges of up to several hundred thousand KM which cannot be accurately shown off here.
While SE weapons are all only 5km at best and al have to be manually aimed.
In an episode of TOS the Enterprise could hit a fast moving target no bigger than the weakness of the DeathStar with no difficulty.
So in the end the SW ships would have lost long before the Trek ships would have been in trouble.
Don't ships have a propensity to spin and crash the game when they collide with another ship? Is it possible tie fighters collided with those Klingon battleships?
Romulan empire 2 dedradix warbirds and 1 small romulan ship vs star destroyer and tie fighter squadron or 1 reman scymitar and 1 warbird vs 1 star destroyer and tie fighter squadron
Ridiculous. Star Destroyer way overpowered
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I agree the star destroyer seems very over powered
The stardestroyer should have used its ion cannons.
Ion cannons have no effect on advanced Star Trek ships. It was only the old, unshielded ships (NX Enterprise, for example) that Ion Storms presented a risk to. Once they had shield there was no problem.
I'd like to see 3 martian war machines from the original war of the worlds go against some jaffa fighter craft
How about the klingon born hunters against it
Star trek ships would run rings around star wars ships easily in an actual fight. Targeting systems in the star wars universe are manual.
Regardless of the power of a turbolaser it is useless if it can never actually hit.
it would be like HMS victory vs an Arliegh burke
Still star trek has the greatest weapon of all. Picard can argue howle galaxis into surrender. There is no firepower against that.
Just stay out of the range of the turbo lasers in these photon torpedoes. The Star destroyer will never even touch you.
I don't think the game took into account the maneuverability of the Neg'vah nor did it take into account the roughly 60 turbolasers and Heavy Weapons on the ISD. Why didn't you target the shield generators which should be a one hit each? As to the spin, yes the Imperial guns carry mass off some sort.
In this game they are not 1 shot kills sadly. I wish they were 😂. The spin was interesting, wouldn’t mind trying that on some other ships 🖖
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“Their lasers cant penetrate our navigational shields.”
its plasma weapons, not laser.
Well that term is a bit of a misnomer here. TurboLASERS are actually plasma based projectile guns. Far superior to a simple laser. But still, particle beam weapons like Trek have far greater effective ranges and are way more precise. Same with Photon torpedoes. This should've been a lock for the Klingons. The Ion cannons of the ISD have to be charged, and there's only a few at best. Trek ships can take on Ion storms with their shield tech, but even still they'd rather not if given a choice. An Ion cannon hit would make things spicy for sure, but they should be able to deal with it better than another Star Wars ship could.
@@joncouncil4454 not to mention there should be a "blindspot" right behind the engines. Those turbolasers are fired some mechanical turrets that shouldn't be able to keep up with any ship traveling even at a fraction of luminal speed. Just positioning your ship either top or bottom would halve their firepower.
Do the kilingons not have shields?
News flash, based off of what we've seen in the canon of both, the ISD is clearly overpowered relative to the Negh'var, let alone one being supported by other Klingon warships. Star Wars weaponry, with the exception of any weapon designed for one shot kills (Planet destroyer on Death Star or mini versions on Super ISDs) are not up to par one on one to phasers or disruptors banks or canons. The guns on an ISD are based more off of their blasters, which are plasma based weapons. Being as such, they are designed for medium to close range combat, and their power drops off rapidly with range. They are not precision weaponry either, most are fired at best with electronic targeting systems but need manual control over the actual gun turrets themselves.
Phasers and Disruptors are longer ranged particle emitters that actually break the nuclear weak force of atoms to do their damage. Hence why both weapons in hand held form can literal disintegrate entire bodies or Starship versions buildings in ONE hit. There's nothing to explode, the target simply ceases to exist in time and space, every atom in every part of it's structure freed from the amount of energy it just received.
And this level of power can be directed from orbit, meaning from a range well within what ISD's normally fight in. This means at ranges beyond what an ISD could hope to fight (much less hit) what is far more mobile of a target (compared to themselves), those same phasers and disruptors would still bring enough energy to exceed what turbolasers could do up close. Add photon torpedoes, who while we don't actually have canonically defined yields in a denomination (Megatons) that we could use, they by reason of logic have to be well above nuclear weapons to make it sensible to go through all the trouble and energy to build them. Conclusion, the ISD's shields aren't holding up for very long. If you're honest against the average starship of the 24th Century. Especially if the Captain knows what he/she's up against. Tie Fighters are a waste of time against a Star Trek ship. Best send some Runabouts and Peregrine Fighters after them, and even then, the kill ratio will be heavily in favor of the shuttlecraft and starfleet fighters, as they were designed to fend off their own level of weaponry. A Tie Fighter wouldn't last a single hit from any phaser or disruptor.
As for the Negh'var, ONE volley of the Super Disruptor cannons would've taken every shield offline on the ISD, plus done major hull damage with the left over energy. Just seeing what it did to the Dominion War Refit DS9 was mind boggling enough,,, and that station for once was the true battlestation it was designed by the Cardassians to be. DS9's shields were holding up against a massive Klingon fleet's pounding it, with BoP's, K'Tinga's, Vor'cha's, K'vorts, and that flagship Negh'var, all while ONESHOTTING same said Klingon warships fully shielded... particularly the BoPs. The K'Tingas were two shotted with photon torp machine gun volleys.
After the Negh'var's hit with super disruptors, DS9 finally lost a couple shield generators, allowing the Klingons to finally board the base. They did eventually get the shields back up again couple minutes later... but the point being is.
Star Trek has the all around superior weapons. The Empire has size and number of ships at it's disposal. Weapons superiority limited to weapons of Mass Destruction mainly, and in certain situations, Proton torpedoes could pose a problem. This is so long as the Alpha Quadrant fought with the gloves ON. Make the Quadrant feel like it did in the midst of the Dominion War and Imperial Fleet, you'd better be ready to saddle up. You will see what happens when true intergalactic war happens. It's not pretty, and it most likely will end like Vietnam did for the US.
Pray Trilithium and Subspace weapons remain banned in the Federation.
The Romulans don't go Yandere and make the Scimitar class super dreadnought their new lead warship class.
Star Fleet lets Section 31 loose to do what Section 31 does without a conscience....
The Borg take a sudden interest in all of this
The Breen decide for once to fight on the right side of history.
Odo catches wind from Kira of what's happening and it spreads through the Great Link. Forcing the Founders hand in mobilizing the Dominion to actually HELP the Alpha Quadrant for once.
Q wants to come out and play...
Conclusion: If the Empire is not actively using it's advantages in a fight to a degree where it's obvious they are in it to win it, they will lose. Period. Even if they managed to somehow do so, the cost and resources would bankrupt the Empire very quickly. The mobilization of what it would take alone would give the Rebels a reason to go ballistic... sensing the typical over reach that kills all Empires sooner or later. There isn't enough Sith to turn the tables with the Dark Side of the Force against the numbers that will be fighting here. This scenario didn't feel right Badger because you KNOW it isn't right. That lone ISD, against a fleet of Klingon warships was toast.....
You took the time to type out what I actually wanted to say. The fanboys who made the isd mod should have made its shields the same strength as a constitution class ship and its weapons individually as powerful as a shuttlecraft’s. The hull could be stronger than the sovrign because of the overall mass but that wouldn’t help much against antimatter torpedos. I love star wars but trek would stomp in space combat.
@@kellyevans3254 Probably because as a fan of sci fi in general, a vétéran when it comes to these two in particular. I was born when TOS Trek was barely 3 years out from ending it's brief production run.
As in before Paramount even knew who Captain Kirk was. When Desilu Productions was the end crédits promo screen seen before Paramount bought the rights.
I was in 3rd grade, early 70s Gen X kid when I developed my love of Trek, now in syndication. Every night, Monday thru Friday at 7 p.m., WDCA Channel 20, back when there were indépendant tv stations, who gambled on shows like this... I was there, hômework done parked in front of the tv. From épisode preview to the end crédits.
5th grade, I was there for Funimation's Animated Series every afternoon at 3:30 pm same indy station. Monday thru Friday after school. Got a 12" LP storybook of 3 episodes of Star Trek and an LP for Space 1999 for Christmas.
Likewise, Star Wars did similarly 6th grade year. Father surprised me with tickets to see it... courtesy of getting to the uptown theater early enough to get them. The lines were around the block. Took sci fi to the next level... every modern sci fi has Lucas to thank for single handedly making sci fi a permanent A movie genre class. Forced Paramount to take Trek seriously as a franchise, dumping serious money and creative effort into making it more A movie material in visuals and effects. (Yeah, TMP in 79 was a bit overdone, dragging the movie length and slowing it's pace too much at times, but this was new for them so a pass is warranted. Clearly by Wrath of Khan, someone caught that error and fixed it.)
Got both the entire Symphonic tracks (double 12" LPs) and a single LP edited storybook version of the movie for Christmas. Bedroom was renovated with Star Wars themed wallpaper that remained well past High School.
So there's history behind this. We never had these crossover battles back then. We loved all the shows for what they were.
Even if we did a crossover, we were level headed enough to figure out who could do what against whom with reasonable outcomes.
Death Star was bad news to anybody seeing it on their viewscreens.
V'ger was bad news to the Death Star if those two came to blows.
Moonbase Alpha was pretty much screwed no matter who came on their screens, Trek, Star Wars, or Battlestar Galactica. (The shows own producers would seem to agree as Alpha pretty much got it's ass handed to it in one to one fights against every alien race it fought. Forcing creative ways to survive)
As a writer myself, I'm a stickler for details, and one thing I can't tolerate is ambiguity. Even in fiction, there has to be some level of believability to work. My dream project is to have a cross over between both major franchises, as well as ressurecting and fleshing out the Original BSG 78 series and Space 1999 to a belivable résolution. Also adding my own group, inspired by the Japanese anime Starblazers... (might even actually try to "hashtag" the original by at least crosding them over in the shorter term)
Very involved, especially tying the fates of all together in a convincing fashion, but God willing I will. So far it does look promising.
As for the ISD individual gun firepower, I actually had the guns below Enterprise level... but just a hell of a lot of them. But by the time of the Intergalactic/dimensional war, the Empire managed to get the gun power levels to Enterprise/Discovery levels with TMP shields.
Things are gonna get nasty...
To say the least.
You can tell this Star Destroyer isn't canon-accurate. It has ventral weapons. XD
And overpowered shields and over accurate and overpowered weapons etc. etc.
@@Thurgosh_OG I mean, it's hard to accurately gauge the actual yield of ISD Turbolasers, mostly because of conflicting onscreren accounts - for instance, I've seen an argument made (foolishly) that a single turbolaser bolt had an energy of something like a quadrillion joules (which would be enough to vaporize a significant chunk of a *planet* with a single shot) because of the scene in the asteroid field in ESB (with their math assuming the asteroids are highly metallic). But then, when we *see* turbolasers hitting the ground in shows like Rebels, it looks barely different from a *mortar strike* in the modern day.
I can buy turbolasers being able to *damage* Trek ships - I personally subscribe to the theory that "turbolaser" is as inaccurate a name as "lightsaber" (because the way lightsabers work, it's more accurate to call it a plasma chainsaw), and that turbolasers are actually a form of laser-excited tibanna gas plasma (which would make them more consistent with onscreen depictions, explaining why turbolaser bolts travel so slowly and can be seen from any given direction - a laser weapon would have neither of those properties, as well as why turbolaser batteries have those shell-looking things coming out when they're fired, like we briefly see in RotS - that would be the tibanna gas). But I don't see them being quite this powerful, primarily because of the accuracy concern.
Capital ships in Star Wars don't typically maneuver like Trek ships do, because they're so large, so turbolasers tend not to do well against fast-moving targets, as any Trek ship logically would be. And an ISD-II's Octouple Barbettes do have eight guns per turret, and that would definitely hurt a Klingon ship, because they're firing eight plasma bolts, there's a lot of them, and they fire really fast... but none of that matters if they can't ever _hit_ the storming thing. Which I have trouble believing they would simply because the turbolaser turrets would have such a hard time tracking the target.
Imperial ships _could_ be a threat to a Klingon one... if the Klingons stand still and let the Star Destroyer shoot them. XD
The negh' var and two D'deridex class warbirds against the star destroyer and it fighters please, although I think star trek ships would usually win, superior technology.
Go for the shild generator, its so exposed¡
starwars ships weapons should be short range, so in teory you should be able to snipe from distance in star trek ships with no fear to be hit
I guess there's a reason we never got to see a ship downing a star destroyer
A few of them were seen exploding during the battle of Endor. And not forgetting the SSD was taken down also.
@@masere The SSD I do remember. But the regular ones? 🤔
Star Destroyers, firing lasers, shouldn't be able to decimate 24th century Klingon tech. lol.
The lasers are not lasers in Star Wars.
They are technically plasma bolts. Think of the romulan plasma torpedo with its damage and being fired a rate equal to a machine gun.
The only reason why George Lucas called the lasers was because well it was the 70s and that was the only term he knew.
@@ldarksong hmm. Ok.
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If you disagree then what are they then?
@@ldarksong not disagreeing. Lasers do not really separate into bolts like that so it makes sense. Ion cannons are basically plasma also. Charged particles.
@@ldarksongonly the yield of the romulan plasma torpedo is 10-50x more powerful than a shot from the turbo laser.
SSD shouldn't be as powerful nope on all front.
A star destroyer is incredibly inferior to even a bird of prey. A star destroyers weapons can't even destroy the millennium falcon which couldn't stand up to an NX class phase cannon. Disruptors would obliterate a star destroyer.
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Ah, Star Wars BS. Not even the "Turbo" lasers would be able to do any meaningful damage to the shields of a TNG-Era or later Trek vessel. And based on the fact that ISD shields are very strong against equally pitiful laser fire from their own universe it is logical to assume that a Trek weapon would make short work of both ISD shields and then their hulls.
Conclusion: see my opening words in this comment. Don´t get me wrong, I like Star Wars. But from a technological standpoint most Star Wars tech, if you can even compare Trek to it, is somewhat... primitive.
Star destroyers are weak they constantly get destroyed they have those silly lasers it's embarrassing
People dont realize that every shot from a star destroyer is like a nuke, and only six or so proton torpedos can the ships take.
So like, all the guns, if they hit, would take the sheild down
People don't realise that nothing like that is seen in any of the films and that the vaunted power of SW ships was made up by fans years after the films came out. Also this game makes the ISD way too accurate and with much better effective ranges than the films ever showed. Old Trek ships could be affected by Ion weapons because we've seen them affected by Ion Storms but newer generations of ships like the Negh'var etc. are immune to them.
I mean, the size comparison alone should have told you that you needed more Klingon ships.
The game made the Star Wars ship way too powerful and accurate. Something not seen in the films. A single Negh'var would wipe the floor against an ISD based on the technology differences alone.
Trekkies don't like it but star destroyers would be very difficult to beat. Maybe a borg cube could beat one, maybe
Are you familiar with the "Star Wars: Rebels" episode "Zero Hour"?
@@enterprise-h312 Never saw SW Rebels. Usually I don't go for any of the non George Lucas stuff.
People who are fans of both, realise quickly that Trek Tech is so far superior to SW tech, that single Trek ships would obliterate fleets of SW ships, with ease.
@@Thurgosh_OG Not possible. All we have to do is go off of power generation capability. This is the only video I've seen that's close to accurate on the amount of fire that can come out of a star destroyer.
Best we have seen an isd do in Lucas film Star Wars is blow up meteors the size of the millennium falcon. Kirk’s enterprise in tos can vaporize an entire mountain in a single strike. The power outputs as described in the data books are in no way represented on film, so if you take the numbers they say seriously then you gotta take the output numbers of trek novels seriously as well and the enterprise will still have the isd beat.
People seem to forget that a Star Destroyer ans enough firepower, equipment and manpower to conquer a planet, alone. A single Star Destroyer can do a operation called Base Delta Zero, the complete destruction of the planet via turning the upper crust to molten magma. 3 Imperial-1 Star Destroyers could do this in a few hours, a single one in half a day. These were insanely powerful ships, which could destroy anything it encountered including fleets of Rebels. Plus they would usually be escorted with 3 heavy cruisers or a mix of 6 light cruisers or frigates. Hell the Imperial-I carried 48 TIE-fighters while the Imperial-II carried 72. Plus weapons, shields and ship designs in Star Wars were developed over 10,000 years. So Star Wars ships have an edge.
Actually star wars tech has barely advanced since they stole it from the rakatan empire, while they can traverse the galaxy they can only do so thru hyperlanes which hinders where they can go and the range of there weapons is laughable at 500k while even star trek's minimum range is 100,000k for phasers/disruptors etc.
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First of all, the technology in SW still advances over time but more in smaller scales. More efficient and refined.
Also hyperspace travel didn't need hyperlanes to work, but it's more safer.
A good comparison would be, driving on a highway or driving off-road. Later isn't impossible, just harder.
Also hyperspace travel is much faster then normal warp travel. Even with warp 9.9.
And it's harder to track.
@@NRubric Actually they only work thru hyper lanes it's established in Cannon and they're literally in a straight line so if there aren't any they're stuck on normal speed while warp can be used anywhere except certain nebulas and gravity wells. Still barely has improved technology wise.
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Then you know another SW canon then I do.
Correct. You only have to look at Interdictors to show that that's the case.
Interdictors work by projecting a mass shadow which causes ships in hyperspace to fall out early. If ships in hyperspace can just go anywhere, then this tactic would fail, simply by virtue of the ships traveling a few planetary diameters off the main route. That Interdictors have any success rate at all requires hyperspace routes to be hyperspecific and pretty damn near impossible to deviate from.
And we also know hyperdrive is difficult to use to explore, given how sensors basically don't function to tell you what's ahead. Again, we can look to Interdictors to know this is true (because otherwise, a ship in hyperspace could just detect the Interdictor or even just its mass shadow and drop out before getting caught), but we can go even further back all the way to the first movie. Han Solo is a smuggler with a vested interest in knowing when law enforcement is near so he can cut and run when necessary. This is why the Falcon has that big sensor dish.
And he didn't have a clue that there was anything wrong with Alderaan until he was already out of hyperspace and flying through its remains.
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That is not a surprise to me at all. Star Wars and Star Trek fan but I have to say Star Wars has a lot more fire power in it's guns and power plants.
Not counting the old Fanmade Expanded Universe stats for SW weapons, where have you seen in any Star Wars film, more firepower on a SW ship (The Death Star is not included, as in the film they call it a Battlestation but it could be the exception).
@@Thurgosh_OG You don't have any but here is what you do have to go one. The main power plant. The main power plant of each is what powers everything, including weapons. A star Wars ship has a bigger power plant and produces a lot more power then a star fleet sheep. So they would have a lot more power available to power the weapons making them more powerful.
Contrary to all the Star Wars haters who show up on every Star Wars versus video that Retro Badger produces, the combat vessels of that galaxies are not overpowered in comparison to Star Trek.
All the Star destroyer classes, Victory, Imperial, Executor, and Eclipse are literally a starbase with extreme armor Shields and engines wielding rapid fire ion and plasma storms in the gigaton damage range that is designed to sit in a battle and take punishment five times the amount they dish out. With the only vulnerable spot being the bridge.
I know that some of you lot grew up watching Star Trek The Next Generation and as a result believe that Star Trek is the top of the food chain when it comes to Science fiction technology and weaponry. As a man who grew up with the original Star Trek franchise, and is a nerd before the term even existed, that is just not true. I know you wish to be otherwise but it's simply not the case.
Some of us are older than Star Wars and fans of both franchises but refuse to believe made up EU stats by extreme SW fanboys back in the day.
We see what we see on the screen and what's in the SW films, does not compete with the tech in the ST series and films.
So I'm not a hater of SW, I've always been a fan. I was in the first showing queue at my local cinema back then, in 77.