The BEST MH3 Cards for cEDH | Tier List
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Modern Horizons 3 is just around the corner, so today, I'm taking a look at some of the most powerful looking cards in the set and putting them into a tier list for cEDH.
Let me know which cards you're most excited for below!
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
1:24 - The Tiers
2:37 - Warren Soultrader
3:21 - Ashling, Flame Dancer
3:39 - Strix Serenade
4:41 - Galvanic Discharge
6:49 - Amphibian Downpour
7:39 - Ghostfire Slice
8:14 - Glimpse the Impossible
8:51 - Flare of Denial
9:55 - Fanatic of Rhonas
10:43 - Harbinger of the Seas
11:30 - Necrodominance
12:06 - Unstable Amulet
12:41 - Powerbalance
13:09 - Flare of Fortitude
13:52 - Wheel of Potential
14:42 - Nadu, Winged Wisdom
15:47 - Birthing Ritual
16:17 - Basking Broodscale
16:38 - Six
17:52 - Sowing Mycospawn
18:35 - Springheart Nantuko
19:42 - Vexing Bauble
21:09 - Shifting Woodland
22:08 - Invert Polarity
22:51 - Sink into Stupor
23:11 - Waterlogged Teachings
23:33 - Primal Prayers
24:26 - Volatile Stormdrake
25:18 - Chthonian Nightmare
26:21 - Flare of Duplication
28:57 - Static Prison
29:56 - Ripples of Undeath
30:40 - Disruptor Flute
31:52 - Winter Moon
32:38 - Arena of Glory
33:18 - Wrap-up - Hry
How many card names did I mess up? What's the best MH3 card? Let me know down below!
Looking at your take on Ghostfire Slice, it sounds like you're reading as it it can ONLY hit a multicolored target, but it can hit ANYTHING as long as an opponent has a multicolored creature. It's basically a 1-mana Lightning Bolt that can't be BEB'ed. This card is going to be online 90% of the game, at least.
@Surberus1066 maybe not 90%, but probably a good bit. I'm still not sure who wants it that bad and doesn't care about the naus and is okay with it being offline sometime beyond the decks two colors or less. Could be that it's actually on enough to be worth the slot, though.
I think your review was pretty spot on. The red version of counterbalance will probably become an s tier / staple. That and chithonian nightmare are two of my favorites
@LemorasCards I'm planning on running Ghostfire Slice, Galvanic Discharge and Powerbalance in Slicer for what it's worth!
@@tripbolt17 Took a slicer to a local FNM and wrecked shop. Very creature heavy meta locally lol
I feel like you misread Ghostfire Slice. It's not R if it TARGETS a multicolor creature, it's R if any of your opponents CONTROL a multicolor creature. With most commanders in the format being multicolor and many strong cards in the 99 like Lotho or Kutzil being multicolor, that means Ghostfire Slice is very often just going to be better Lightning Bolt, even if you're just using it against a Dauntless Dismantler.
Says multicolored permanent. So it’s not that narrow especially in commander. It’s a staple my doods.
Lightning Bolt vs Galvanic Discharge: Most people tend to only play lightning bolt in many lists due to the fact it can be a win-con, looping a recursion creature with something like Emiel. So this will not be better than bolt
Fanatic of Ronas is gonna be amazing for Tasigur. Pays for an activation and 4 is just a good amount of mana to work with.
It's gonna be tested in 5C Sisay as well. Has solid combo lines with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
Would love to see a deep dive into Nadu! I just began my descent into cEDH and this is the first deck that I'll be building for the format.
Nadu is so nuts
Thanks for the breakdown, definitely some strong cards coming out way. The red flare is crazy.
Nadu will be kill on sight commander. Not final four at major tournaments but will surprise people I think.
Thanks for getting this video out so quick!
I do my best!
Tymna Dargo Dargonaut here - we're generally not really into soultrader. We dont run Phyrexian Altar, Skirk prospector already gets us the color we need to loop Dargo, it's a maybe. That said I'm stoked for it in my high power Varina. Its gonna really slot in well there.
Although you didn't cover it, Charitable Levy is a win in my eyes. I love everything it does [even if it's a mana too slow].
I can imagine like, Tivit or something trying it out over a 2-drop rock. Stealing some mana, drawing, and ramping seems like a lot of good text. Then go get a surveil land or something.
Can also be used as a weird protection piece when going for the win? Could fuck up the math if someone has less open mana than they expected
I also like this card, as it is a combined piece of Stax, card draw and ramping. Limited time Stax piece will make opponent think it is not worthy to cost a counterspell on it, but very likely, it will affect their game plan later when it is too late to response. the downside is that your opponent may control the time point of sacrificing. I will definitely test it in my Blood Pod
@@yuanhaowu1830it says player, so you also have control over the sac part of the spell
I think vexing bauble might be one of my new favourite cards, amazing imo.
bauble will be very annoying to deal with for sure lol
For what it's worth, Ashling is WILD for Krark Saka, as is Flare. Pinnacle Monk is also solid there (and for ≤2c red decks). And no interest in Polarity at the moment; too costly. The deck got a lot more deterministic just with this one set.
Polarity I mostly acknowledged because the types of local krark/saka people i run into love those kinda cards.
And yeah I was looking at your list and saw the monk and ashling, do look interesting there.
I think the vexing bauble is staple or at least highly playable in non-blue decks. Turning off all the free counterspells lets you never have to worry whenever an opponent is tapped out. Besides that, it also turns off ad-naus combos since those decks often rely on free ramp in order to get enough mana to play their combo.
Also, ripples of undeath is perfect for Tayam and maybe other fringe commanders like Meren
I'll be interested to see how good Cthonian Nightmare ends up being. Its got a some competition in the form of curio, meticulous excavation, and Barrin. Probably depends on what color combo you commander is.
i already brewed a Nadu list because i really like his effect.
also i think winter moon is pretty good in low color decks, tho most of them, appart from Kinnan and maybe Ob Nix, aren't that good atm
Vexing bauble is a card i really really like. imagine playing it early and hearing your opponents grown because they now can't play their fast mana
Both Fanatic of Rhonas and Springheart Nantuko have revolutionized my cEDH Titania list. I think maybe Springheart has the most potential in other lists
It's a super interesting card.
Six is insane in U/G/x decks with any type of Intuition piles (especially with Breach) since you can make all choices into winning lines regardless of what you end up with.
Ayeee excited for this video
I think ashling flame dancer is going to be a nutty krark sakashima card. Once you get going you should be able to generate each step relatively easy.
Warren soul trader was an instant slot into rakdos the muscle being able to combo with gravecrawler is great. I’ve also seen it get slotted into tayam and korvold decks. Definitely think it could be playable in others.
I think Flare of Duplication is good for Najeela, since lots of times, Najeela is a really good bait in my deck. Under a Silence effect, I can sac Najeela to go double Demonic Consultation/Tainted Pact. I can double Intuition to get all the cards I need to Underworld Breach. And of course, copy an Ad Naus.
I’m super hyped for nadu tbh looks like a really cool simic build tbh love to see where people take it it does target when anyone targets as well such a cool commander in both cedh and edh im loving this set lotta cool stuff for Magda and Ellivere my only two cedh lists! Might build that or talion as my third leaning towards talion though edit - nightmare in tayam seems massive
I'm thinking nadu's going to be better, but you were probably more experienced in CEDH than I am. I think he's neat. I would be interested in a video
This is a pretty reasonable list. Only disagreement I'd have is that Nadu is probably going to be a staple commander for a long time. Yes the "card quality" is low with his synergy pieces, but when every land is coming into play untapped it simply pushes too much value IMO. I'd also consider moving up Woodland to busted and it might be one the new green auto includes given how well it meshes with crop rot. It being able to discount it's own ability is kinda crazy. Personally I'm just glad green got some serious love in cedh for once and hope things are slightly more balanced going forward.
Keep up the good work!
Thank ya!
francisco thasios looks really cool with the new combo and six
That's something I hadn't really thought about, that and those food chain style decks could be a nice fit. It's a banger
I’ve been the only person in my area hyping up the new Leyline Binding and most of the people I bring it up to just kinda shrug and say it’s mid.
Birthing ritual can help you dig for dockside and look at your next seven. Not crazy but could be nice in possibly etali
Am I insane in saying the new Drake is better than gilded because it can't be removed in response to the trigger like you can do to gilded?
vexing bauble on a fishing type from graveyard will help..
emry cedh can be used to help stop free counter spells and rocks if you need to play your own free spell just sac draw. use the free spell if needed then fish out back with emry..
moldrotha as a utility.. hanna, ships navigator still same playstyle..
Cthonian Nightmare just seems cracked with Dockside, right? Aside from the combos, it still reanimates bowmasters/thoracle/etc. That seems really strong. Feel like I'd definitely run this over Cloudstone Curio at least.
yeah seems like a sick card for the decks doing that kind of thing.
Prob gonna buy a Shifting Woodland for the Gaddock Teeg deck. Always nice having another utility land. ❤❤❤
Also Vexing Bauble too 😂
And a Winter Moon ❤
Gaddock summer is here
Six in is busted with mystic remora or good in some sac outlet based decks
I’m way higher on Chthonian Nightmare than Six. I don’t usually have a lot of extra lands lying around and I don’t know of any specific combos Six enables. Maybe there’s some cool layered combos there but I don’t see it. Nightmare is just insane in the Dockside decks. It also opens up some pretty sweet Intuition piles like Dockside, Nightmare, Sevinne’s Reclamation.
Chthonian Nightmare has an intuition package with Dockside, Sevinnes and Chthonian nightmare. Almost garaunteed to start a loop.
You need a creature in the grave to begin the loop
Strix serenade is counter commander for 1, pretty damn good imo
31:30 correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think disrupter flute works like that. If you cast it in response to someone casting a basalt, it shouldn't change anything since he already paid for Basalt and its already on the stack. The only thing why flash might be good is that you could do it in someones upkeep
Lots of the new adapt cards will say play in tayam, the evolution witness is a bomb for it
the card im the most excited about is chthonian nightmare. It goes inf so easy with already great cards. i also think the red flare is quite busted copy spell for 0 mana will be abused for sure. enables quite a few of thoes inf copy combos.
what dja think about Six as a cEDH commander?
It's a really cool legend but I'm not sure its quite broken enough to consistently feel amazing in the zone. The combos it enables are kinda card heavy and he doesn't work as an outlet for them. Not impossible to manage but I would expect it to be more fringe.
Your channel is great as I am starting to explore Cedh a bit after playing casual for a couple of years! I would love to see the video on Nadu I’m sure you can get crazy power out it!
Thank you! Might have to get one out on it soon then.
I mean I love all of the flare cards and respective decks, the black and blue one I love in yuriko. I'm really hopeful for the black goblin and the uncommon to mana, create an artifact deal damage whenever an artifact or a creature dies, I'm thinking the black treasure token goblin will not do as well but who knows. I hope so, the uncommon I think is great fantastic, if it was one extra mana I would strongly not use it but it being a good payoff for artifacts is great
Doesn't turn 1 Vexing Bauble shut down Crypts/Moxen/Lotus Petals/LED, and all the 0 cost counters, cascade, discover, etc? That feels like significant stacks for a 1 drop.
Yep! Hits a whole lot of stuff.
@@LemorasCards feels cracked af
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see myself wanting to play Six like ever. Even in decks that are incredibly permanent focused and want to hit land drops, Six feels like at best a compliment to Underworld Breach since he mills. I almost never find myself with the combination of lands in hand to pitch and permanents in graveyard I need to recast that would make Six better than just playing Eternal Witness.
I get to use him for the first time last night in Rog/Thras. Played him, turned my 3 lands into lotus petals, then when I untapped next turn to combo off no one could profitably interact because he let me recast anything that got stopped. That's a very permanent heavy non breach deck though, but Eric's testing in Korvold he's also loved the card. Also him helping mill permanents and find lands sure doesn't hurt.
Magda loves this set ❤
I would suggest to revisit this list in like half a year to revaluate the cards.
Definitely should! Maybe when we do our quarterly update in January we'll do that
broodscale can also go infinite with rosie, in green white, not sure if that matters much
I think Birthing Ritual is possibly good in etali and atraxa. Removing your dockside, etali, or atraxa at EOT to remove a clone target could be good?
Totally agree on Red Flare, so good
Also Nadu is full on broken, needs to move up
Warren soultrader is a must for any aristocrat or reanimate deck, its more than playable while necrodominance is barely playable
FoD going from the pack to my yuriko lightspeed
You think any of these cards can be tried out in blue farm at all?
Depending on your goals, Static Prison, Strix Serenade, Vexing Bauble, and Amphibian Downpour stick out as considerations, but I don't think TnK got any slam dunk staples in this set really.
I can see strix serenade for sure and possibly the static if your going more of a staxy form of blue farm amphibious downpour you really think is possible? Just get a decent storm count and turn off everyone’s creatures and commanders and stuff? Or throw it in with your breach line lol?
vexing bauble seems super busted to me. Can even be fetched with Urzas Saga and even prevents your opponents from playing their t1 0 mana rocks if you slam this at seat 1
It's a one drop stopper for The One Ring, Bowmasters, Dockside, etc. I dunno man I think we are going to see it a lot. It's the best kind of reactive.
Assuming you're talking about Strix, yeah, I think if you're looking to stop opponents and devote a decent amount of slots to that, it makes a ton of sense.
the statik thing?
@@LemorasCards sorry yeah the new swan song thing.
Disrupter flute looks really good in the one ring/Orcish bow master meta.
Nadu isn’t bad to bowmaster it gets around it. The card reads “if it’s aland it goes into play otherwise put the card into your hand” it’s not a draw effect so you won’t have to worry about bowmasters.
The way you described Invert polarity as "bad against counterspell" is wrong only because it can ALWAYS counter a single counterspell, regardless of the flip. If you win, you change the target of counterspell to Invert Polarity, then Polarity leaves the stack, then counterspell fizzles, and if you lose, you just hit the counterspell, that's how people used to use Misdirection as a second Force of Will. I agree that holding up UUR is too much for the card, but it is always cancel against other opposing counterspells, and fun fact, half of the time can even counter Last Word because the misdirection/fizzle doesn't technically "counter" it.
Colorless 1 drop counter?
You're the first content creatorI've seen that agrees on strix. This card won't be in the majority of decks in the long run because this format hates counterspells that can't fight on the stack no matter what they do.
It's a control card through and through. Really playable in lists that were already on Scolding, but more proactive lists will likely rarely be reaching for this.
No way Necrodominance sees play imo. Much worse Necro that can have its draw prevented with removal, is punished hard by Bowmasters, and also turns off your Breach/LED? Nah.
K'rrik probably will but other than that I can't think of anything- even fringe
@@zweis I wouldn’t even run it in Krrick personally. Krrick is all reanimate stuff rn, and Necrodominance largely turns that off.
eBay sellers asking $80 for the retro was hilarious
@@baconsir1159 Not in the standard build, but I think the card is good enough to create a new build that focuses more on Torment of Hailfire
It is Legendary so I might try it in Sisay but there’s a good chance I never want to tutor it up.
I sniff 3 decks.... I thought it was one... but now I must brew
The ferocious dork is good in kinnan
I think everyone is sleeping on Charitable Levy. This thing is essentially a tapped rock (go get dual land plains), but you get to inconvenience casting of the next 3 noncreature spells which is very likely going to be all your opponents. THEN you still get to draw a card. This card seems like a staple for almost any white cEDH deck.
Fanatic of Rhonas and Birthing Ritual Are both super hot in Derevi. Derevi usually uses Emiel and well...Rhonas 4 power achieved. Birthing ritual in Derevi is just fantastic.
is Green back....?
would love to see you brew nadu ^^
Bauble is clearly a staple. Unless free spells go away somehow.
strix serenade is staple.. there are rare good counter spell for creature that has mana cost of 1.. usually cedh its hard to counter a creature since you can remove it. but for the sake of ETB i think strix should be a staple.. ill take it over galvanic for sure.. also for flare of fortitude.. you can combo it with ad nauseum for free yes you need white creature still good at least it should be on playable.. also volatile is good as removal or steal creatures.. should be on staple.. even with indestructible u may sac that if u don't want it.. cedh most creatures are under 4 cmc.. so volatile drake is good.. once they use it more price will climb at least 10 to 15$.
Lavinia + Defense grid
+ Chalice of the void
=
VEXING BAUBLE
Stops any free combos
Lion's eye diamond
Looping commanders
Free storm spells
Looping graveyards
All free counterspells turned off
All 0 Mana rocks turned off
there's no way the common strictly worse lightning bolt is playable at all and you can't convince me that it is
I think you underestimate Nadu a little Bit.
My Playgroup Playtested him a few Games and it was crazy,especially when your opponents Play Something Line Orcish Bowasters.
Absolutely a Kill on Sight Commander
Not mentioning Talon Gate is like a huge mistake. I know it is from the commander deck but might as well.
Think it got revealed right after recording, but yeah we'll mention it in the podcast episode.
Nadu with Derevi = busted. Plus Fanatic of Rhonas with Emiel and dervei helps with the combo
Flare of Duplication went straight into my Ob Nix list ez
GOATED
My new six deck is cray
Probably my favorite card of the set.
Do nadu! I think that it's going to end up as a potential kinnan contender in simic
I'm high on blue flare
Party thrasher is missing from this list
nadu video would be nice
Bro saying no tier 0 decks want the haste arena when Rowan exists smh
not trying to dis or anything but i think your incredibly wrong when it comes to vexing, in terms of cedh so many things are either 0 mana or free cast so vexing will absolutely be a big piece in almost all stax decks
I did move it up to staple on my updated list on Twitter, I haven't seen it in game yet still so haven't been able to see the effects.
@@LemorasCards played against it today in a proxies cedh game absolutely shut down counter spells and mana pumps
Yepp, Nadu is "playable".
Nadu as only playable, is laughable. The bird is absolutely broken as a commander.
I have a slightly changed up list on Twitter where I moved it up to staple. Being broken tier as a Commander is a huge ask for any deck, especially a 2c one I have no experience playing with or against and that wants some questionable cards, but we'll see!
Nadu is absolutely fucking broken. Anybody that plays arena knows.
hahahah Nadu at playable ...okay dude
At least briefly skim the card text please, trying to listen and work.
Was trying to keep this video shorter, the podcast will be your friend for that. MH4 or a similarly broken set that gets a review I'll keep it in mind, though!
Its hinetsly a toss up between shifting woodlands, cthonian nightmare, and six. The jund side of the color pie got a serious level up.