This is Why Artists are Rejected, it's Not What You Think!
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Rejection is everywhere for artists: applying for a job, for an artist grant, from an art gallery, a juried art exhibition, and much more. Prof Lieu explains how rejection is an inherent part of being an artist, and offers actions and strategies you can employ to deal with this part of an artist's life. Discussion led by RISD Adjunct Professor Clara Lieu.
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Clara Lieu was an Adjunct Professor at the Rhode Island School of Design from 2007-2020. Her artwork has been exhibited at the International Print Center NY, the Currier Museum, Childs Gallery, the Davis Museum, and more. Lieu received an artist fellowship from the MA Cultural Council, has written for the NY Times, and lectured at Brown University, the NAEA conference, and in Vancouver & China. She has been profiled in Artsy, Hyperallergic, KPCC, & WBUR.
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I do the art for myself. The little bit of money I've made in the past was nice, but I never thought of it as something I could make a living at. I can't afford fine art, but I can make it.
One guy you know was rejected too...
if only he took her advice, 50 million people would not have died.
An Austrian?
I think it is very important to teach artists to handle rejection with grace, last time it didn't go so well....
I was rejected for a top tier fine craft show. At my next show the curator stopped by by work , saw it in person, introduced themselves and invited me to the show. He said “oh , I get now”. The issue was the photos I submitted.
I was soooo quick to assume the problem was that my artwork wasn't good enough, when really, most of the time, it actually has very little to do with the quality of your artwork! -Prof Lieu
I have been rejected from many, many, many juried shows, but the thing that hurt the most was being told by a former gallery owner, that I was too old to get into a gallery, even though my work was good
This video had healed so much within me... you have no idea.
I like your way of communicating and reflecting on your experiences in Art - both as an artist as a teacher/ critic and I totelly recognize your experiences especially in jurying processes where I also have been on both sides ( both in the Art world and at the University
I regard it as important and also very eyeopening that those making censured work shoul try to reflect and write down what qualities they jury by -
Maybe it tells a very interesting story about Art- when you ask the question:
What is Art?
What qualities are you searching when you go to look at Art ?
Thanks! Yes it's complicated, so many factors involved when it comes to these situations. -Prof Lieu
I definitely have been rejected to a lot of poster-making and art contests that are held nationally and internationally and never won a single contest but this video really helped me. My friends were also disappointed that I didn't get in and they thought that the system was flawed but there was nothing we could do. Thank you so much! You have no idea how much this helped.
We're so glad you think so!! It's common to feel rejected and frustrated, especially in big contests like those (believe me I've been there). You're doing great though, everyone goes through it! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I'm SO happy you made a video on this subject. Although I've been making art locally and have been involved with the grassroots art scene in my hometown for 25+ years, I only started applying for grants and residencies in the last year. I was rejected for everything last year except for a new publication which included several of my photos from an ongoing project in their first issue. I was thrilled to be included in that, but really disappointed about the rejections. This video has encouraged me to keep applying, keep trucking along. Thanks so much for taking the time to give so much wonderful advice to artists. I've been really inspired by your content, and so excited to find so much fantastic and useful information from someone with so much expertise. My girlfriend is an English Professor, and now I'm trying to encourage her to start a youtube channel too
Glad to hear this video was useful! I think it's so easy to take rejections personally, I know I did for a very long time (and still do now and then) and you have to push through it as hard as it can be. Good luck and keep going!!! -Prof Lieu
In my experience, I've got rejected, actually ghosted and never find out the reason why and it did hurt,but eventually I did get accepted it. Now watching your video and thinking back I think i know why! I was just starting as an artist and only education I got was from art instruction school, where I would do small painting, send it and got back with grade. It was good experience and got me started but that wasn't me. Years later I believe I found my potential style. Now I'm ready to move forward with my art making and showing my work.
I'm really glad you're able to look back now and see that that path wasn't for you, and you've grown as an artist since then! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
I was rejected from a summer animation program that was super competitive for 2 years in a row. I’m currently waiting for my results for my 3 year of applying. Not gonna lie it brought my art mojo as a freshman. Now as a junior I feel more confident with my art and just know that the odds weren’t working too much with me. That and I’ve improved so much over the past 3 years.
I am a high school artist who just got rejected from a juried show I entered. It was the first show i had ever entered and I was very hopeful that I would be accepted, but after entering two of my pieces I found out i didn’t get in. I was certain it was because there was something wrong with my art, or something i had done, but watching this video made me realize that rejection is a normal part of any artist’s life. Thank you so much for making this video!
Don't be discouraged at all! The fact you entered is fantastic on it's own-- that means you have work to show, and something you want to say. You win some and you lose some, so keep at it :) Thank you so much for watching! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I know at the start that when I apply for popular exhibits or figure themed exhibitions that it's a slim chance that I'll get it. I have applied for the Outwin Boucher Portrait Competition four times; no go. This year, I made it to the third round and was hopeful. I didn't get it. I tell myself, keep making authentic work and make sure that your photographs are of high quality.
Thank you Prof Lieu, even though I already know the possible reasons it’s hard to not feel bad being rejected. So it’s good to be reminded and knowing I’m not alone 😊
We have ALL been there, you are far from alone! -Prof Lieu
Great topic!!!! Disappointed I missed the livestream! Recently applied to work in Visitor Services at a major art/ design and science museum (Powerhouse Museum) in Sydney, Australia.
Have 3 art/design degrees, many years teaching community arts projects, even MORE years in customer service jobs and was confident with the job requirements.......and I missed out!!
Thought I had everything they were asking for in the ad so was very confident. Was crushed for a month! As is, have developed a medical issue that keeps me off my feet so I could not have done the job now anyway..........but, I still feel disappointed at times and a bit bewildered at what they were really looking for in that job. Sigh! TFS!!!!
I know, it's sooooo hard to tell. I've had situations where I thought I was a shoo-in and didn't get it, and other situations where it was a long shot and it worked out. You never know, so the only way to deal with it is to put yourself out there and keep going!! -Prof Lieu
I keep getting rejected at galleries but have many times had my art on display in cafes and restaurants. Many times it's more about politics than it is about skills. I've seen art that doesn't really require a lot of skills (scribbles on a canvas, ceramics that are lumps of clay, BLANK CANVASES?).
A lot is definitely politics. I like to think there's a home for every type of art though. Not everything has to be about galleries! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
As someone who started his art path with acting (more like auditioning than acting) and is now currently submitting experimental short films and video art to dozens of festivals each year AND facing the next few months as an MFA applicant to several places, my best piece of advice is to get rejected often. Put yourself in positions to get rejected. Not needlessly, don't waste anyone's time, but as a way of seeing yourself take chances and opportunities. The numbers aren't ever in your favor BUT probability is. If you keep trying and, more importantly, keep making good work, you'll be the one getting accepted somewhere.
Yes!! There’s a saying that if you aren’t being rejected, you’re “not trying enough.” -Prof Lieu
Totally your biggest fan right here. Amazing content. Thank you so much.
Awww thank you!! -Prof Lieu
I have been rejected but not Art related.
Thank you very much for this, this video is exactly what I have been looking for! very uplifting
You're so welcome! We're glad you enjoyed it :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
with love from Moscow! thank you so much 💚
Thanks for watching!! :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
Coming from Moscow it would be a bad idea to support rejected artists.
@@purpel6034 Because the Germans would come
Oh no, I totally missed the live. But thank you for posting this. I'll try and make the next
Yeah, next time!
Me and my friend both submitted work for an auction, and we both got rejected. I shrugged it off, but she was devastated. I still feel kind of bad about it.
Every artist has that one rejection that stings a little more than the rest... you and your friend are on the right track just by applying, though! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
I was recently rejected to Skowhegan and the honors studios @ UC Berkeley, but I am competing with very talented artists. I’ll just keep applying!
It's important to remember that it's not personal! It also depends on personal taste & pure luck. Keep it up, you'll get it eventually! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
@@artprof are you austrian?
I want to share my experience with being rejected too: I am an artist from Bucharest and I have graduated Fine Arts masters degree in 2019. I was rejected by my favorite professor(that I was also inlove with) and I couldn't prepare my master project by being supervised by him. I was accepted the last, to my shame and pain, and switched two professors(the one I prepared my works with was amazing anyways, actually my favorite professors' master too). I was a bit ostracised because they knew I was inlove with him and I kind of screwed up through some emails and declarations of love. I finished my master well but I went to the police because of some messages on the phone and now I kind of wear a stigma because of my weird behavior towards the professor that I was inlove with. My respect for him and love are deep but unfortunately I wear this stigma and find it hard to adapt to artistic milieus, my ex-colleagues kind of ghost me, I am the rebel artist (judged as not being good enough) and although I feel envy towards my ex-colleagues, because they have adapted to having jobs, or even exhibiting, I feel left aside and judged too harshly. If I ever spoke about the issue I would be judged as over-reactive but in my heart I know this happens. I even think about switching cities or country. I was also accepted to online exhibitions, even without paying a fee, and I also have happy stories...maybe sometimes it's more useful to focus on those...
and that rejection made me have nightmares for 3 years in a row, with me crying, trying to speak to him, to let him know what I feel and wanting for him to accept me(my dreams are mostly in universities with me searching for him), sometimes waking up in tears...rejection isn't a joke, we should take it seriously, like a true wound...
I was rejected for a fine arts coordinator position with my school district. I cried the whole day.
That's awful, we are so sorry! Hopefully a new opportunity will come around soon-- you'll get through this :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
you can always go into politics
I love this channel! I'm not sure why just 2 weeks ago vs years ago it was served to me because I watch so much art content but at least I got here. I'm not sure if you've done a video about this but what do you think about making a video on "outsider" artist vs art school artist. I ask because years ago I was accepted into a couple of "important" art schools, I chose one that was closer to my house and community I grew up in. It turned out a few people I knew also were accepted and I had never seen them do anything creative or artistic in high school or outside of school so I decided to drop the school and abandon art school all together because I thought it was more about money than talent. I did eventually end up having a successful career as s commercial artist and I don't think I was ever asked once what school I went to throughout my career or even asked for a CV. My portfolio was the only thing people wanted to see. I do think what I missed out on was working with inspiring teachers and finding potential mentors but I guess I'll never know. I would love to hear your thoughts on art school vs outsider in both the commercial and fine art disciplines so that future students or non students can get a teacher's perspective on the issue.
I'm so glad you found us, I enjoyed reading about your experience with school and thank you for the video suggestion. We are always looking for new topics! Yes it's true, unless you want to teach art at the college level, most people really could care less what school you went to if they are hiring you as a freelance illustrator, a concept artist, children's book artist, etc. What they care about is the artwork, that's what ultimately matters. I do think things are very different now with the Internet (I grew up without the Internet) and there are just so many affordable options for people, and at least in the US, higher education it just terribly expensive and not an option for many people. That said though, having taught in higher ed for over a decade, there are experiences you can get in art school that you cannot get anywhere else, the biggest one is probably the artistic community you get to be a part of. I know I cherished that part of art school, and that's something you can't produce by yourself. -Prof Lieu
@@artprof Prof Lieu the cost and my arrogance was precisely why I droped out in the end. I just didn't think it worth it if it was more of a cash grab vs a pool of peers that were going to push eachother to be better as artist. I suppose the camaraderie was what I missed out on. I have been with friends all over the world who keep in touch and even have their art school profs visit them which I've been lucky enough to experience. But don't you think in the gallery world schools are a badge of status and kind of a stamp of acceptance, otherwise why would they differentiate from formally schooled artist and the term "outsider" artist. What also comes to mind is graduate showings and how at some schools gallerist flock to those shows. I do think that is fading to some extent with social media now playing a role in artist cultivating their own following outside of the gallery system. However, at the same time the gallery system is stronger than it has ever been.
I was rejected to a local art exhibit. Your pep talk is helping me move on.Thank you. Can I send you one of my paintings for critique?
Tysm for the video! I might not be as bad as I thought after all then..
Yes!! Normally it's just totally out of our control & happens for a ton of different, random reasons. Don't take it personally!! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
The sad thing is that these streams happen in the middle of the night for me.....
Bummer, sorry to hear that!
Thank you for sharing
I missed the live 😕
Next time!
Great video, very uplifting and motivating!
Glad to hear it!
You can't take anything personally! You just need to find your tribe. I like the comparison that it is like dating. Maybe tattoos or beards are not a good fit personally, but you need to move over to where your clean-shaven face and edgy fashion resonates. Basically: "It's-not-me...it's-you" for rejections.
That is I do a variety of Art.
yeah, every university and college teaching job I ever applied to... I have a spread sheet full. Worst is definitely that I don't normally get a rejection letter, so hard. I know they got 800 people applying, but a form rejection letter would be nice!! Just so I know. I try to remember that no news can be good news...maybe
More and more places don’t give you any notification, makes you almost eager to get a rejection! At least then you know. -Prof Lieu
@@artprof are colleges even hiring now during the pandemic? I wonder if it is worth my time to apply right now. I can't imagine many students wanting to enroll in most art classes during this as you can't get hands on experience. Some art is definitely impossible to teach/learn remotely
Many are doing hiring freezes, so it here aren’t a lot of openings. But, no skin off your back to try! -Prof Lieu
I've become very familiar with VASE (visual arts scholastic advent) which I think is specific to Texas. The judging process is very biased to things that are easily transportable and large realistic portrait pieces. I've seen so much amazing work ignored because its not large enough to stand out.
It's crazy how subjective contests and scholarships can be... it's always good to remind yourself that your work is valuable despite what judges have to say! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
Ah man I wish there were subtitles because I can't recharge my headphones
Sorry! We do hope to have subtitles in the future, on our to-do list!
Do you think that social media can help artists grow to overcome rejection? Or do you think it will hurt in the long run?
If social media is used correctly, it can create a supportive environment to connect with other artists. However, it’s easy to compare yourself to others, so make sure you are mindful of your social media use! - Julie Sharpe, Art Prof Staff
Why would an artist be rejected before the gallery has even seen the work? I say the artist is rejected because the work was not yet submitted.
thank fucking god for this video. i felt today i wanted to literally cry but now it's okay
This happens to ALL of us! -Prof Lieu
I'm 36 and I still get really upset when the likes on my work don't meet my metrics for success. I hate it when my paintings or installations don't get as many likes as a drawing (which I consider less important) Instagram definitely affects my mood pretty dramatically. It's so silly how much it can cause so much self doubt. Ultimately you have to learn to validate yourself.
It's incredibly frustrating the influence social media has on us, as it really is not a true reflection of the quality of your artwork. You might might this video helpful: czcams.com/video/HXTs4XPChcE/video.html -Prof Lieu