Was the BRS/WWC Hybrid Method a Mistake? What separates the E-170's success from the 750XXL?
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- Why does the BRS/WWC Hybrid Method work so well on the Red Sea E-170, but still continues to be a challenge for the 750XXL? Even though we followed a similar approach to the Hybrid Method for both tanks both have pretty significant differences not just in equipment, but also in their levels of success. Find out today what those differences are and what we might change on the 750XXL to kick it's success into high gear!
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Top Mistakes and Differences from the BRS/WWC Hybrid Tanks
00:00 What's different between the BRS/WWC Hybrid 750XXL and the E170?
0:38 Live Rock vs. Dry Rock
01:59 Lighting
04:48 Calcium Reactor vs. Two Part
08:03 Mechanical Filtration
10:29 Feeding
11:17 KZ Solutions
13:02 Pest Problems
18:10 Different Monitoring
24:20 Different Water Volume
25:36 A Small Tank Fills Out Faster Than a Large Tank
26:45 Takeaway
Can’t thank you guys enough for updating continually in this subject. The BRS/WWC Method has been and will be my manual for success in the future!
U guys rock , BRS videos have helped me in a lot of ways to make changes to my tank ,and help me in excellent reefing
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They look more like Bevis and butthead
Thank's to this video I just learned about the "Heartbeat" feature on the APEX and enabled it right away. BIG THANK YOU GUYS!
You guys are killing me over here Your previous videos got me setting up for Triton method in my new build, and now have me second guessing myself. :)
There are merits to all the approaches or methods for setting up a tank. In the end choosing the one that best fits your personal reefing style and sticking to it will lead to the most success.
The small tank is full of monti’s, digis and pocilipora.... stuff grows like weeds. Almost Easier than LPS
Kalk is my favorite despite running 2 part these days.... considering switching back and letting wc or smaller dosing do the lil bumps it's needs ....my coral growth was always best on kalk
Contest idea - drawing for paid trip to visit BRS?
Feeding Aminos on the hour is not optimal according to the Doc that runs the Credible Coral Lab - There's a Reef New Network Episode with him and he said daily was better as you need to get the concentration up in the water so the corals will be more actively feeding (or something similar). I remember he said feeding daily was better for this...
But I would think feeding particular matter on the hour is a good idea with filter roller - Triton runs without socks for a reason I feel - I'd definitely like BRS to look into this more ;)
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I had a huge problem with aptasia in my reefer 525xl i just recently used the franks F aptasia and it worked wonders! i used that in combination with a copperband butterfly fish and now its all gone. I tried two different file fish and neither one wanted to eat it they just nipped at my corals so i took them out and then tried a bunch of the nudi and they didnt seem to work either. wish i would have found that f aptasia first and went with the copperband. I do have a question about lighting. will there be a investigates on the red sea 90 lights like the rest of the lights you guys have been doing to give the best placement and levels to get the best results?
Does the rollermatt have a bypass door so you are not filtering 100% of it? If so just open it up a bit so it still lets some through
I would like to know more about the kz solutions line of coral supplements. There are too many products....would like a breakdown of what you guys use and why.
I started up a Reef Savvy 75 gal just shy of 15 month ago. It was a bare-bottom setup with a decent amount of reefsaver base rock, 2 bio blocks and a gallon of MarinePure bioballs. I (over)dosed bacteria from 3 different brands in the beginning and introduced 6 fish. Over this last year it has had bacterial bloom after bacterial bloom. Starter corals went in and started growing, then crashed. Rinse and repeat. It only just stabilized within the last 2 months. This is by far the longest it's ever taken to get a tank coral ready for me. The good news is that now I have a completely pest free tank that I can use to seed live rock for the next time I decide to start a bare-bottom tank. If you're starting a tank for the first time I would recommend either finding a clean source for seed live rock if you're going bare-bottom or using sand. My 2 cents.
Ant I might be in for a similar outcome unfortunately. I have a bare bottom tank that I started with dry rock. I am only 5 months in and on my 4th bacterial bloom. After hearing your experience, it makes me nervous about purchasing corals...
@@jasonkearns3330 I wouldn't purchase anything expensive and if you have a few reefer buddies that could spare a cheapo frag or two I'd stick some of those in. During the first 10 or so month I didn't get any algae but I got this weird like fluffy crud stuck all over the rock. I would blow it off and it would grow back in a couple of weeks. Looking back I'm sure it's because I had the lights on, but again, I had never experience such a long cycle and thought it was OK to turn them on when I did. Only advice I can give is to wait until you have algae and I don't mean coralline, just regular ole nasty algae. Once I started seeing it my corals stabilized and started growing. Don't give up, bud :)
Can’t say much, because I have aptashia in my tank from buying calerpa at a frag meet, but always thought that when I see coralline algae start to show, it’s a good thing that ur tank is maturing, scraping it off from another tank is cheating ur self, now look what happened , never had any problem going bare bottom and using dry rock, it’s a marathon not a sprint!
I have had major success battling Aptasia using a syringe and a thinner Kalk Slurry than what yall did. I just position the needle over it and slowly inject a cloud of slurry over it so it will consume some of it.
Is there not a video or series on the 170? I love that tank and want to see more vids on it. There are several tanks that you guys show a lot in many vids that I can’t find any BRs videos on.
The E170 was covered alongside the Reefer XXL 750 in the BRS/WWC Hybrid series. Granted, the XXL 750 was more the star of the show.
Those Nudibranch's destroyed my Aptasia. It took about 2 months for them to start breeding full-force and it took less than a month after that but then, no more aptasia. That said, I didn't have anything in my tank that would eat the Nudibranchs. Mine only came out at night which makes me think the wrasses shouldn't get at too many of them.
I figured a controller was too expensive...but then I realized that so is losing a tank full of coral and pets. I'm biting the bullet and getting one. All but one time I've had a catastrophic tank crash, be it saltwater or otherwise, such monitoring would have allowed me to save them all. When you mentioned that the Apex saves a tank in your office about once every thirty days, and adding what you've said about it now...yeah.
Hey Ryan /Randy
which T5 light bulbs are you using with the Kessil on the tank behind you? are they Blue Plus or Coral Plus? Are all the same or mixed matched?
Those are all 4-Blue Plus bulbs. :)
Is it possible to do an investigation on supplemental LED's like the Reef Brite strips and Orphek blue plus to see if they are as effective as t5 supplements
We've got some pretty awesome Investigates coming using the Reef Brite strips!
Guys I hope you read this. Please do not dose Sponge Power to the 750 while it has aptaisia. Sponge power works great and everything in the tank loves it especially aptaisia. If you have small aptaisia and dose they will get big and if you have big ones already they will grow into bubble tips lol. Made this mistake myself do not do it.
Hey guys, what is the lighting configuration (on the Kessil) for the E-170, did you guys do anything special? Please share.
The Kessil is set to our BRS custom settings from this video and the T5 bulbs are all Blue Plus's. :) czcams.com/video/ZrElOlcPm9E/video.html
What T5 bulbs are you running on the E170?
All four Blue Plus bulbs!
Have you guys ever considered what else the uv could be doing to the water? If it's so bad for the pests what else is it bad for ?
I always wonder this too. I run mine 23 hours and leave it off for dosing amino acids for an hour.
From the video, it looks like you put way too many fish in that tank at the beginning?
could you dip the algae you scrape to get any possible aptasia off it?
Unfortunately, most coral dips won't do much for aiptasia. I would prefer to use a cultured coralline like the Pink and Purple Helix from ARC
I water change 100%+ volume every month with AWC.
How are you so sure you got aiptasia from introducing the coraline?
We know that we added coralline from a tank that was completely infested with Aiptasia, so it's just a logical conclusion. I suppose there is a small chance that it came in from one of the corals, but we've never seen a single Aiptasia on any WWC coral that we've ever received.
What kind of a cooling fan are you running on your tanks?
We typically use the Tunze Aquawind.
Randy been hitting the Roids 😂? Great insight guys 👏👍
Why KZ and not brightwell amino
1:38 what fishes are on the bottom center of the tank?
not 100% sure, but looks to me like the: Meiacanthus grammistes
@@karstenbeilstein yep, that's them, thanks :)
18:50 now that's a reef
Get the Avast Marine Plank auto feeder for the 750xxl. Kill two birds with one stone... Ability to feed smaller particulate foods like Reef Chili Reef Roids, etc... And we get a review of the feeder.
Aptasia and Dino's more or less got me out of the game. My fish are doing well, but I lost every single coral after having a very successful tank for years.
Why not keep the original light that came with the e-170? The REEF LED 90
That wasn't the case when this one was first setup. It was back when Red Sea were pairing them with the AI Hydra's. But in the spirit of following the BRS/WWC Hybrid approach, where the goal is to create the most even blanket of light possible, the T5/LED combo was Ryan's main choice to achieve that. :)
So what is the break down in cost of calcium reactor vs 2part, ignoring cost of equipment? Trying to do the math on this is a bit tough, just looking at the calcium part of things (yeah I know they should be called alkalinity reactors), seems that by mass about 40% of calcium carbonate is calcium, and for 2 part about 36% is calcium in calcium chloride. And looking at the cost of reactor media both are somewhat comparable to each other if you don't go with a fancy "reef brand" of stuff like something that rhyme with RightSmell :) and if you do break it down CostCo baking soda wins dollar for dollar and is considerably cheaper than BRS Phrama grade... also considering most will replace calcium media before it's all used up (before mush) some of that weight does get "wasted".
Either way I've seen articles on it, they all claim it, and some even put out numbers but never any values to back it up. One article at diesyst.com reef.diesyst.com/crarticle/crarticle.htm has a neat graph, but seems to suggest on a 120g tank a yearly cost of $90 per 1 dKh need for 2 part, and that absolutely blows my mind, because even BRS Pharma stuff in calcium and alkalinity will run you $200 for 35lbs of each, and there's no way in hell you're using half of that in a year.
I suggest a give away for those corals but mix it up and start with peoples first name and don’t start with A. Maybe start with the letter W😜
Any luck with the filefish eating the aiptasia in the 750?
Definitely! While the filefish helped, we also hit the aiptasia with F-Aiptasia and berghia nudibranchs.
file fish work great they just get a taste for zoas sometimes
Please please please. Only do 1 change at a time so that we can find out what the 'secret sauce' is!!
Ocean parameters are not near zero perfect conditions. I don’t know where this idea that more equipment and more shit = more success. I run a mixed reef lps/sps NO protein skimmer, NO water changes ever 3min BASIC filtration. All I do is dose when needed and change water when I feel like it. Iv NEVER had a coral death And everything in my tank is thriving.
Can you elaborate how big is your tank,what kind of corals,how many fishes,what filtration and profuct?
Peppermint shrimp will eat that aiptasia in a weekend ....
We tried a bunch of them (50+) in the BRS160, but they were hit or miss. In the end it's going to be a pretty long process to reverse that mistake!
Do you really need all this crap yall are saying we need to have a successful coral reef tank. I havent started mine yet because i keep hearing all this stuff that I may need. It sounds like your running a public aquarium not a private saltwater coral reef. Are there any books that you can recomend that have some other methods to running my saltwater coral reef once i start it eventually.
Need is a strong word. We're talking about best practices here and completely realize that not everyone is going to follow every piece of advice we give. There are definitely other ways to be successful in this hobby too 😃 There aren't a whole lot of current books, but I'd check out anything written by Julian Sprung. He has quite of few of them from the late 90's/early 2000's.
@@BRStv thanks
Wouldn't it be much more likely that yall got it from wwc or another vendor that sold yall corals?
R Sellers that would be wrong and negligent to say. WWC might not have given them the aptaisia. Unless it is provable don’t do false accusations to a brand that could damage their image. From day 1 of the lights I thought they were not strong enough, and also they are filtering too much from the tank. So as apparent it makes no sense to say xr15s are a bad or roller mats are bad. Don’t damage people who aren’t at fault.
@@njbjr2563 lmao gtfoh. I was asking a question. This is how things work in the real world. People throw ideas around and WWC as well as all other companies have pest and recommend dipping and QT. So you sound ridiculous for even responding with an argument that I could damage their reputation. Grow up
all the sticks were removed from the bases so I doubt it. Anything is possible but I wouldn't want to publicly blame anyone for something I likely caused.
@@BRStv that makes sense and no blame given. Just more likely it was on a coral than Coraline imo. Plus sounds like yall didn't QT. Just a thought though.
@@rrrreefer9721 quarantine what?
The real difference in my opinion is that LED's dont grow coral nearly as fast as t5's. Lets be real. Let me add that wish you guys would have said that instead of jumping to sell thousands of dollars worth of leds.