Milling the Beauty Ring Fixture for Op.1
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Our next step on the beauty ring project is to get the first of two fixtures machined. This first fixture is a 24"x24"x1" steel plate that we'll mill it to fit the beauty ring but also so we can bolt it down to the Flex bed. We'll be using our new @TechniksUSA magnetic vises for this and the second fixture which proved to be great for holding this workpiece. Once this fixture is machined we'll move over to fixture No. 2 and get that one machined also. #cncmachining #machineshop #abom79
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I don't hit the like button every time Abomb puts out a new video but I should. It's hard not to like him. Not only do you learn something of machine work, you also learn patience, humility and respect for the process and the man himself.
I've been subscribed so long I am not sure how many years it has been and I haven't been disappointed as of yet. You not only get the lessons, but the admitted errors and the reasoning behind the errors. In this not so perfect world we live in someone is getting you as close to that as possible.
Many thanks and much respect.
Cant go wrong with a shop lesson from Adam! these are just awesome!
You are truly becoming facile with your CNC machines. Your explanations, especially running the FUSION simulations are very understandable and well done. Adam, your father and grandfather are proudly looking down on you and smiling. Well done!
The new fixture looks a bit like a platinum record that people hang on a wall :) Great job! 👍
Had the same thought. 👍
I always hit the "Like" button before each video because it is good entertainment and I know I will always learn something.
I'm really liking the transition to Fusion and CNC.
Long time fan of the channel (from the beginning) and I love watching you learning the CNC side of it, but I really miss your manual machining videos.
25:04 - Editing faux pas, giving us a sneak peak of future Adam 😉
I'm glad to see you doing well on the cnc
I would have squared the outside edges at a specific dimension from the clamping holes. Yep, I know it’s not needed but while it’s in the machine do it. Why? just because it may be beneficial later. It's just a few passes and 5 minutes of machine time. Otherwise as always - wonderful work.
Machine at least one edge and mark as the front so the radial holes align with the program.
It’s great to watch your progress on this project and your leaning. Well done.
Thank you for taking us along on your CNC journey.
At 25:09 I thought I’d lost lost time somewhere 😂👍. Nice preview of the second process👍🇬🇧. Great vlog as always Adam
Love all the content on both of your channels keep up the great content
Couple of cheat codes to speed up setups, make an edge cut with an endmill to qualify the edge your indicating, and the coaxial, spin that at a 1oo rpm, then move x and y while it's spinning to center it up. Welcome to Cnc side of things:)
I sure enjoy watching Adam working with his usual confidence in his abilities, learning CNC is getting him there.
Great to hear the satisfaction Adam has from completing these complicated jobs so fast and so cleanly.
It's been a while since I watched, but things seem to be ticking over nicely. Well done ABom.
🦘🇦🇺 both very interesting and very informative, as usual. Thank you for another great video of a perfectionist machinist at work.
It's worth putting a couple of milled edges on your fixture plate. One on X and one on Y. It will help centre it when you use it next time. Or stick a couple of pins in it.
Great job! Keep up the good work and videos coming. Looking forward to Part 2.
Love your videos Adam - I just do woodworking, and shaping metal the way you do still seems like magic to me. Thanks for sharing your skills with us!
One thing I would have recommended is to threw drill the holes in the square plate to allow for chips to drop out. Not a big deal but a safety. Wish I had my own CNC. learning Fusion and having someone else run the program on their mill adds a certain level of difficulty to the learning curve. But it also adds a level of education to adjust the design and process to allow any shop to perform the operation. Great job Adam, thank for sharing. I always seem to learn something from your learning process. Thank you.
The magnets are under the plate in those locations if I remember correctly.
Looking great, Adam. 👌
Great job Adam very awesome keep up the good work👍👊
Looking forward to that angled cut on that plate in the cnc!
Has the fixture been deliberately designed to promote the new magnetic clamps? For a job like this, surely pre machined flat Aluminum fixture plate is the obvious choice. It could have been added to the order for the blanks. ( no cranes required )💪
Edit: I've looked again and don't understand why the 6 tapped holes in the 2nd fixture aren't in the first one. Once the counterbore and holes are machined, the ring is exactly clamped concentric to the datum hole and could be simply bolted down in position. Swing the clamps out of the way and machine the taper.
You're getting it Adam! Glad to see you adapting so well!
He who dies with the most toys, wins. :)
when i made parts like this (on a smaller scale) i use one fixture. at first i blot a part through a middle hub and machine all features at once.
then put additional bolts through a newly machined bolt pattern and mill out middle hub in one last op.
in general you don't need two fixtures if a part will be machined from one side only.
In this case, he will use a recess to locate the OD of the part. The second fixture will be used to cut the angle face. So the fixture needs to be smaller than the diameter of the part. Could have got by with one fixture plate if the ID of the discs could have been turned to finished dia on the lathe. But the discs were held by the ID and the OD was machined.
Yes just one fixture plate required. Clamp the plasma cut outside diameter. Finish mill bore + counterbore and holes. Bolt to fixture through the holes and then take off clamps. Then mill the taper and outside diameter. Finished. No pre machining of blanks and one simple fixture plate.
There will need to be a shallow shallow ring recess for machining the outside diameter and a hole to clear the chips away under the bore..
@@marley589 That would be maybe be worth it if you were doing one or two. He is making 8 of these. Touch off, load the program, hit cycle start. Load the next, hit cycle start, load the next, hit cycle start. Repeat until you have 8 complete. The cost of the fixture is pretty minimal on this job.
@@MechanicalAdvantageThere are 2 fixtures so two setups and two operations in addition to the manual work.
So far he has made a clamp ring, machined 8 blanks, one fixture plate and still has to make another then set them both back up again!
In the same amount of time he could have easily made a simple fixture plate as described and completely finished the whole 8 plates.
Each blank plate is loaded only once on one fixture and comes off finished. It really is as easy and as simple as that.
There was be a lot of unnecessary attention paid to making one side flat, the side that sits on the ground. There was also excessive attention paid to creating a reference on the outside diameter. I believe this part has around 7/16" extra material per side on the two diameters so precise location on the fixture was also completely unnecessary.
@9:50, when the indicator stand is moved left to right, then right to left, it sounds like a hot-rod zooming by. :)
Or maybe that's just me, but I thought it was kinda funny.
Did you know that you can probe the Z 0 with the Haimer 3D Sensor? You have to measure the length pf the Probe once, and then you can use it to set your Z 0 while your setting X and Y.
I've been looking at wanting to get a manual meal to learn how to do stuff like this. Watching you do it on the CNC is amazing.
Magnet ratings in this application are rated only in the Z axis. They are much weaker in X and Y, possibly only 20% as strong. So I was holding my breath!
25:05 Back to the Future II 😊
At around 7:00 when the camera take a ride with the plate on the sky hook. Do you guys go " Weeeeee " or am i the only one ?
Very impressive work,Adam.Thank you.
All these wonderful toys! Nice work Adam.
I'm just a guy doing this stuff in my garage for fun. It's insane to me to think that you have more invested in those magnets than I have in my whole shop.
That was cool.. 25:00 Face milled left to right on the whole plate and made a circle. CNC is pretty amazing.
I had to rewind to make sure I wasn't having a stroke 😅
Adam after you ran the initial surface program your Z axis zero point changed due to the material removed. To avoid the center hole not punching through you could have reset the Z axis zero point
Adam / Abby, do you guys have any updates on the property you guys bought a couple of years ago? I think if I remember correctly, you guys were going to build your house and shop on it?.
Always enjoy the content.
Marcel.
Always a top cabin production. Great work.
You may want to try out sealed collets for your thru-tool coolant tools. I actually don't mind the extra spray through the collet as a chip flush off of the work surface, but it could help with the camera work.
Also, consider hard-mounting a camera just inside the red operator access panel inside the machining envelope and then using zoom to get up to the work. You may be able to get a decent image without coolant spray because of the added distance from the spindle.
Honestly the coolant on the camera lens didn't bother me much. Aside from the few cuts that absolutely covered the lens, I wouldn't worry too much about wiping it between cuts. Maybe if you find a lens with a hydrophobic coating it might be worth investing in.
Very cool project Abom79.
Adam, idea for the camera; you can test those hydrophobic sprays like to use on eyeglasses or maybe the windscreens products.
at timestamp 25:00 you mentioned u were going to seeep shaving chips off the square plate. but camera switched to sweeping off circular cut out plate instead.
25:00 wrong clip...
A glitch in the Matrix 😂
Thanks adam , good work really enjoy looking forward to the American Pace maker work. Be safe
At first I was disappointed watching the CNC Flex as I like to see a skilled operator using classic machines. However there is something about this modern tool's speed and precision and I find myself slowly being won over. Thanks for bringing us along on your learning journey.
You are starting to convince me about that CNC thing... :)
A bit of an editing glitch at around the 25 minute mark 😉
Impressive!
Thanks for sharing Adam
Might add a simple low pressure air blast for the screen...would keep it clean for action shots.
In Fusion 360, in the upper right hand corner of the canvas, right click on the View Cube. Choose "Perspective with Ortho Faces". Much better now.
OK WOW. YOU HAVE COME A LONG WAY, GREAT JOB. hay do you run coolant on the chamfer ??????? oh, and set a mag plate to pull a steel plug down on the center of the disk after you remove the clamps, raise the plate to install the magnetic device. just a thought sir. And PLEASE KEEP THE CONTENT A COMING.
I just love your work...
Query? Why didn't you surface the second side before milling and putting the holes in. You were using depths for spotting and depths all over that side but if it was not initially flat, wouldn't things like spot depths and deburring etc. be off?
Looks great Adam
Looks great. Happy Happy.
Great job. Thank you 😊
That helical cut at 41:00 looked so cool
Cutting the centre out of your fixture might help with chips and also taking the ring out after the cutting op
Chips were never a problem. Coolant sitting there was a small issue that we fixed pretty easily. I’m not sure it would help with removal. The discs didn’t just pop out, but he figured out a pretty easy way to make that happen.
There will be a lot of chips swimming around in the bowl created in the center. Far better to get them all falling away through a hole and not recutting themselves, nicer to blow the part clean too. If the fixture hole is larger than the part it will allow the ledge to be used to lift the part out, you have to also think of the operator when designing these things.
25:09 what is that now? That isn't the plate.....
It might be interesting to put that fixture plate on the surface plate and see how flat it turned out. Each side was faced with the plate under stress from the magnets. I doubt it would make any difference for this job, though.
How many vices do you have?
Is collecting vices and actual vice?
A "vice"? You do realize that is totally different than a "vise"?
@@buckhorncortezmost machinists nowadays apparently do not. I gave up on their learning the English language years ago. You take over.
One mistake there JB, and is not an - or to show the correction for those confused... Is collecting vises an actual vice?
There are spinning windows used in marine applications that would be ideal for your filming use. It is also possible that the cnc machine manufacturer has that an option.
Love your videos, been watching since before you got "hitched".
we got some of those magnets at my job too thats cool!
....... That would be a Tappity ... Tap ...Tap.........
good to see the prosess of it adam
Awesome video 😊
The coolant does a really good job of keeping the chips out of the cutter....
38:52 You can use your Haimer 3D to center the part using the half function on the cnc, instead of using a coaxial indicater, that may prove to be faster.
Do you know if the Flex supports that? On my Siemens control, I don't have that as a default option, but I can find the center of 3 points.
@@MechanicalAdvantage you center on Y and then center on X or wise versa with using a 3d probe, your probe needs to be calibrated though.
@@YILDIZGEZEN But if your controller doesn't have a divide function, it is up to you to do the math to figure it out, right?
@@MechanicalAdvantage just like zeroing on the corner of a square part, this time you zero on a circle, move back on Y axis when inside the circle with your probe, touch and zero on the probe, then zero on the machine then move forward on Y axis touch and zero on the probe then divide the Y value on the machine by half, that will be your Y zero. Do the same for X and you are done. This should be faster compared to coaxial indicator. But this methods accuracy depends on your 3d probe's calibration, there should be no runout on your probe. I dont know the specifics for your machine but i see no reason your machine to not letting you do this.
you should be able to use divide symbol "/" on the machine.
Like those magnets 👍 Holding that plate down with a total force of 46,973 Newtons - it's not going anywhere.
I get it at 48,000 N. How do you calculate it?
@@Peter_Riis_DK 1 pound-force = 4.4482 N
2640 X 4 X 4.4482 = 46,973
@@Peter_Riis_DK my approximate solution was off as well, oh well.
@@kempy666999
Okay, I see your problem. Thanks.
1,200 kg x 4 x 10 N
@@Peter_Riis_DK No problem here. 1kg does not equal 10N, it is approximately 9.8N
another great vidro! thanks
Just thinking of ways that might help keep your camera lens a little cleaner .... maybe a low pressure stream of air pointed at the lens or maybe apply some rain-x to the lens. I enjoy watching you learning to run this new cnc driven shop...it's been so entertaining...Thank you.
Very interesting video.
Adam, how flat was this plate to start with? did it rock or wobble and need to be shimmed on the magnets?
I'm curious about the Honda 250R ATC up there on the mezzanine??
Was a little video and discussion of it when he got it maybe a 1-2 years ago. You might find it with a search?
I know you need another project, so here. Make a mount and enclosure for your camera, then make an air curtain for the front surface which keeps the fluid off of it.
Q: could you rig up an airline to keep coolant off your screen? Those mag vices are "awesome" 😋
Something to consider that I was taught in cnc classes is that you can save time in hole drilling by using the spot drill and go deep enough to give a chamfer.
He said he learned this a few videos ago, I was also expecting this technique to be used. I bet he has one on order for the 48 holes in the Aluminum rings..🤔
@someguy95981 For this job, he only had a 3/8" spot drill. The holes were bigger in diameter than that, so you couldn't use that method unless you were to use a spot drill that was larger in diameter than the drilled holes.
Why dont you use the haimer for Z offset?
You have omitted the really important part of the process: finding and correcting errors in the program. The actual machining is just a spectator sport. Record the test runs. Show the uneventful part at 10x, but at errors, show how you saw the error. Then show the process of fixing it.
Anyway to blow air at the camera lens to clear the coolant?
When I face the stock, I set Z zero as the finished face, just the way I was taught to do it! I also like to cut a plate like this, square, to make it easier to line up on side two.
I don't think there's any point. He's got a centering hole, and the part is round
@@snowdog90210 Just a bit easier for lining up the plate on side two as the hole pattern would be tied into the outer edges but as you say, not needed for this job.
It's recommended good practice to set the finished top face at zero then all depths will have a negative number. This helps if you miss a - sign in front of a Z depth, the tool will be clear above the workpiece.
@@marley589 Yes, agreed, but the finished top surface would normally be set to Zero and not the rough stock. Then all ops can be a minus Z from the finished surface. The rough stock doesn't actually exist on the finished part.
@@cncit Sorry I should have made that clearer. I'll modify my original post.
Adam try Rain-X on the camera case, see if that helps with the interior shots with coolant running.
He has tried it, it didn't help.
The coolant, or rather the additives for the water to turn it into coolant, lower the surface tension to improve wettability. This makes Rain-X ineffective, unfortunately.
Nah, man. ECB-120 means 1,200 kg holding power. Eqv. to 1.2 metric tonnes - what that is in banana weight I don't know. 😁
1200x2.2=2640, so he got the rating right in pounds
thats a fuck ton of bananas!
@@Sam-th4jl
How many ounces is that? ;)
@@Peter_Riis_DK16 ounces per pound. Do your math.
@@ellieprice363
Now, now, Ellie. I'm just yanking yall's chain by making fun of
your archaic and silly units of measurements system.
Those imperial conversions are not mental arithmetic, right.
Even the above calculation to pounds is off by a few percent
because of the approximated conversion factor. 🖖
Cool. I am no machinist. I wonder if you could have used a small pattern of bolts in the middle to anchor the material to a sacrificial fixture plate on the CNC and cut nearly the whole show side with that one setup. Just a few little webs to separate the part. Just a thought experiment. Love watching you solve problems.
Have you tried shooting air across your camera lense when you are filming inside the CNC machines?
That's why I make sure my machinist has OCD. They make the best work with the minimum, almost zero tolerance, even in the 1 inch tolerance work......
120 kg equates around 264 pounds, not 2600
Also is the coolant supposed to come out from the collet? With inner cooling you should use special collets that are sealed so the coolant only comes out of the tools.
He meant to say 1,200 kg, not 120 kg. They are rated at 1,200 kg
25:05 jump cut.
I find this very interesting good production plan not a one off so he needs to utilize his investment
Is your watch okay near the magnets?.
I think I would have ran a end mill on the outside edges to make Finnish edges to indicate off of for further use
I'd have made Norwegian edges. 😎
@@Peter_Riis_DK that's so funny I choked on that one.
I can't understand the use of co-axial and dial gauge type analogue probes to set job up when you have a perfectly good Renishaw micron level wireless probe? The time you are using up, bumping a great big piece of steel around to centre it to a 1/16th", when the Renishaw can centre the work offset and even adjust the plate for square / parallelism within software - the Flex must have this capability built in? And I do agree with other commentators about the right tool for the job - you would have never done this job manually, using a rotary table and a ball end cutter - its perfect for a lathe and particularly a CNC driven, taper cutting one. I sympathise with the learning Fusion thing - I still can't grasp it as it doesn't do things in the order my brain works + i've had 40 yrs on one CAD system and Fusion is soooo clunky in comparison LOL!
Patience, Adam willl get there!
Adam, you made a small mistake with the magnet rating, 120 Kg is equivalent to 264.55 pounds, so a total of just over 1058 pounds , not 2600 pounds as you stated..
He meant to say 1,200 KG. If you look them up on the website, you will see they hold 1,200 KG.
Americans remain baffled by the metric system.
@@ScottPankhurst Baffled, really? Metrics is simpler but for the simple.
@@ScottPankhurst It amazes me that Americans cling to Imperial measurement. After all it is a British system and after the war of independence they rejected the British currency, Westminster style government, and legal system. The Americas were more closely allied to France, why did they not go with the metric system then? I can only attribute it to American perverseness.
@@garychaplin9861 I had a prolonged discussion with a user claiming 'freedom' and because it was Anti British to use the 'Imperial' System just recently 😆 Should be noted that for most of the last Century the US Standards for Units have actually been tied to the Metric System so it is just a wrapper.
Here's a project: Design and make a clear mineral glass or pyrex, spinning, self-clearing "window" to be mounted in front of the camera in a splash zone. Something that runs on small cheap batteries.
Or plan B, is mounted on a rechargeable drill that spins a mandril onto which a clear shield is mounted. Drips, drabs, and debris would be spun off the clear shield so you could put the camera where you wanted rather than some other compromise.
Can't you imagine the very short sections when there is a camera obscuration? I hope you don't drive a car!
Did the CNC counter bore to the correct diameter you specked, and was the diameter accurate in all 8/16 directions, [45/22.5 degs] another words was the counter bore round
I doubt he checked that. It was round enough for the purpose.
@@MechanicalAdvantage Reason I bring it up is because that machine is Boo Koo Bucks and everything he measures down to 1/1000 - 10,000s. I'm also interested in buying a CNC machine
Leaving 3 short arcs of the pocket at the correct size and relieving the remaining 3 long arcs is a popular way to locate round parts as there is less locating area to keep clean. Standard fixture practice is to locate straight edges in 2 places and round parts in 3 places.