OG vs OpenAI FIVE - AI vs HUMANS - TI8 CHAMPIONS vs BOTS FINAL DOTA 2
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OpenAI FIVE vs TI8 CHAMPIONS FINAL 2019
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Newb: I'm new in this game, whats your suggestion?
Vets: Practice against AI first.
The AI:
Newbie: Oookay.... i'll stick with playing against humans for now.....
@@harmless-kun That moment when fighting real people against bots are preferable haha.
This OpenAI team should get an invite to next TI. I could see a lot of potential for this team.
Og is very good at tilting opponent team, in this case their opponent is immune being tilted
That crystal maiden reverse tilt hits topsons heart haha
that is a very cute cat
@@TIRFemcel thanks
@@italiancat3786 How many based have you made in your department?
The fact that the ai proudly claims to be able to win 95% when the score is almost tallied gives me chills. Damn. They won the clash and still continued to push through the second tower, meaning the ai surely knows their advantage and capabilities to push more.
Soon Open AI will replace commentator as well.
soon commentator and then we just watch 2 bot teams fight each other
oh wait, they may not need us to watch them play ... poor us :( soon
Just imagine they just have to put deep learning with comentators' voices then the bot can learn the situation and style of how these people will choose words according to the situations.
@@pk7685 yes, let the 2 AI teams enter the tournament for fun then watch them destroy people and play together.
It is not long before we see AI fight.
Imagine they have an AI commentator.
Oh, what are we going to do?
And soon after that open ai will replace us too
@@banut2116 sooner or later even our god will be replaced by open ai
Valve compete with open ai at 2019 international, open ai wins. Nobody take the prize home
Obviously the AI creator will earn a lot of money.
@@TheCatVtuber Well, he doesn't really need those money. OpenAI belongs to Elon Musk.
@@Enceos Well I mean, he said the AI creator would earn a lot of money. Elon Musk didn't create OpenAI, he just owns it.
This only happens if valve is broke. Taking the prize pole for themselves
@Nydragon False, it's capped profit.
back then humans be like : noob! you play like an AI
now AI be like : you play like a human, noob!
hahaha . who win vs ai.. sure pro.. now people cant said play ai ai just for noob ok.. u see.. pro player lose 2game hahaha
@@syahiranran8853 huh??
@@matthewgrayv.nacorda8292 huh hah huh hah
@@ahmadkahfi105 what?
@@user-ni2rc2vt1b Wat?
When open AI makes crystal maiden one of the best hero 😂
People who contribute in this openAI must be really prepared, they even not forget to give the AI trash talk. Respect.
Then, it Dota 2 become Quake 3... 😂😂😂
OpenAI be testing their GPT-TrashTalk-0.6.16 live.
@@Zenovarse lol n1
After OG laughed at the AI in game one, the AI really opened up and started dominating.
They made the AI to use 2% of its power.
With every game the ai just gets better so if they played one more it'd be worse
@@RonitBojjaikr. They learn every single game. It would be interesting to watch if there's AI vs AI tournament xD like an AI esports lol
No man, that’s not how AI works. That AI was trained with 1 million games, 1 more game holds no impact in changing the AI performance. Once th AI is trained it goes on prediction mode, so it isn’t learning it s only using the information it already had to make predictions
absolutely!@@markstein2845
This is fascinating. The AI is really pushing their heroes to the limit, all continuing to fight with barely any hp or mana because they are sure of the outcome, it goes to show how important it is to commit and what you can do with limited resources if you are efficient. Truly remarkable.
if you are machine accurate yes ahahaha
2nd game: When you team's main carry has less money than the other teams supports, you know you've lost.
Kekw
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
OG : EZ GAME JUST PLAY WITH AI
OPEN AI: WE ESTIMATE THE PROBABILITY OF WINNING TO BE ABOVE 95%, HOLD MY BEER
and cm that juke topson said that..
😂😂😂😂
HUMANS: NAH IT LOOKS PRETTY EVEN RIGHT NOW
OPENAI: JK OUR PROBABILITY OF WINNING IS 99%
Hold my byte
vino more like hold my wires
openAI should make their own team called terminatorsquad
and humanity to challenge it?
Now that's scary
that s just cringe
With Arnold as their Manager? XD
@@charleszhou4091 sry for my bad english in advance,
Yes ! We have to create a group of the best players in the world, like an allstars team. They should be treated like for example the squad of Real Madrid, the whole staff that comes with it, to provide the best conditions for the players. We need to put 100s Mio. € into that infrastructure. We need analytics from university people , mathematicians, physicians etc. and the Institutions for that. The players and the tactical staff have to work together with experts to analyze a way how to beat the open AI in dota (also IT-Experts, Military Experts, Philosophers etc.). If we really specialize on that, maybe it could be possible to beat AI, but like that obviously not.
The scariest thing for me was how brilliant the AI calculated the remaining xp in battles. it just shows how quick in real time it can make calculations - and the second thing is of course the fact of its "real time true communication". There are no time delays in communication between the heroes, because all heroes are controlled by one AI, and the AI sees and process everything everytime everywhere. But I think there are ways to beat it. You have to do it somehow like Neo in Matrix, or John Connor in Terminator.
I am asking myself if the openAI can already think about something that is outside the game - if its kind of aware of itself. Does it feels itself as an own identity or is it just a "In-Game-AI" that doesnt think "outside the box"
Now we need open ai vs open ai
that's how ai learn
Fajar Siregar yup. They play each other hundreds of times a day. No breaks. Imagine how good they are getting. Insane!
@@Lionlovesunity millions of times a day
@@auzzy231 Well no, not millions because you can't fit more than like 50 games in a day
@@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe It's an AI, it can duplicate itself almost infinite amounts of times. It's not restricted to 1 game at a time
This bot makes the best players in the world look like absolute trash
thats the point 🙄
But og is not even the best team
@@doubleggamingmeruz678 They are now
@@doubleggamingmeruz678 but they win ti so they are the best team in the world
Dullahans Gringi twice... back to back...
Open AI always had the advantage, the synergy and coordination is unmatched. Plus AI continues to learn and evolve to be better and make less mistakes.
not exactly, it doesn't learn mid-game.
@@jarvaniv3700 Neither do people, realistically.
@@SeventhSolar that wasnt my point, Albert. i only mentioned that ai dont learn mid game cuz, op, while talking about the advantage the ai had, referenced ai continuing to learn as one of the advantages they had during the game... just clearing up common misconception
ps. i learn mid game in league of legends... limit testing n wut not :p
@@jarvaniv3700 But it's true, the AI does continue to learn. So long as it plays games, it continues to evolve. They said nothing about learning mid-game.
@@SeventhSolar this conversation is pointless
This is insane. AI predicted movement, blink jumps, skills, and positioning a lot of times. It is incredible how a machine can predict the actions of a human team based on data and equations alone. That sven always was jumping to a position where jerax was to about to jump 0.2 seconds after.
It is called cheat
@UC-j_eIYCJNLzcNoYmQ7NLqA that is definitely cheat as well. See valve has banned using bind scripts. These AI must have physical limitations in their actions per minute
I dont see any smart or significant improvements except the leverage on playing the game as a computer program without any restriction on reflexes, and tailored every small situation to be optimal
Human does not need these bullshit development. It is waste of time and money. Do u know how much cost they masturbate for this shit? So like chess, this might be beneficial for teams to do practice, yet it has no other benefits. Who cares what these inhuman programs treat a game as their toy or simply manipulate it im the way they want. They are simply losing the strategic point of the game as well, thus reducing the excitement for humans
@@manhuynhkha ur just insecure that AI is better than human in general
Those AIs made 10 years worth of experience look like child's play
I mean the AI probably have 100 years of experience. The difference is they can play and learn the game 100x faster than humans can.
@nsebast On the same amount of data the human learns wayyy faster.
Kuro would be like: I just want mc play like AI.
Lmao
HAHAHAHAHA
Can't wait to see another team fight Open AI team
In 2 months, there will be an AlphaOpenAI5 which can beat OpenAI Five 100 to 0.
It's interesting to think that even the best in the world has so much potential for improvement, the AI just fills in all the spaces and thinks about everything at the same time. They calculate every single move the enemy's character can make, every direction they can go in, and they predict the most likely cause of action and that's how they can predict blinks and shit. It's impressive as hell.
An OpenAI vs OpenAI match would be so interesting to watch.
7:46 sniper used force staff to help CM. Wow!!!!!!!!!!
I didnt notice that at all
everyone: topson to godson
CM: Ill play with ur god
Lol
CM ai vs sniper topson what a clever CM
20k sven isn't scarier than 10k crystal maiden at that point
Ai is always carrying a salve nice strat
I think the reason why the AI is effective is because all 5 heroes have the same thoughts and strategy.
Yeah if it was 5 different programs it would be different
A single agent piloting 5 heroes is more impressive.
I actually wanna see Open AI in a tournament, hope they get them to play all heroes.
They are amazing, that Sven is a beast
Are there any games of AI vs AI? I would like to see that.
Perhaps, we can see in Dota 1... Lol... 😂😂😂
15:36 So this is why CM got nerf constantly in Dota XD
10:10
something interesting about openai is that it only practiced with other bots, so it expects 0.1 sec reaction time from enemies, although against a human he could basicly stun at the first milisecond of vision against es, it doesnt do that because he expects es to blink in that 0.1 miliseond aswell,
a smart human could use that to their advantage :)
exactly, because they dont use keyboard and mouse, they expect everyone else too to have insta reaction like them.
@@tonpariston5093 open ai have a 200ms forced delay to not be unfair atleast tahts what open ai devs said
10:09 Open AI (Sven) just predict Jerax blink OMG.
Rickyan i don't think so. I think (AI)Sven was going for Ceb(Viper). It just happens that Jerax(ES) blinked in the same spot Sven was going to blink.
It was not a prediction. It was a reaction.
The reaction time of AI is almost instant. Hence, he followed the blink immediately he got there
@@kingol4801 take a close look, sven (AI) blinked before Jerax (ES) ;)
no he didn't see ES , his combo was for viper, then he changed his path after to ES after he blinked
looks like he was going for Ceb. but EarthShaker got in the way.
man, they got another bot controlling the courier
Its probably more like one bot controlling everything
@@asmallphd9648 nah that's the whole point. It's 5 different instances of the same bot showing teamwork. That's why it's impressive. Remember when OpenAI first was created it was only for a 1v1.
Lmao
@@azetyler AI only Tournaments when
Also creeps
omg that CM's Shadow amulet...is that really a bot plays? poor topson tho ..lol
Right how smart r they
OpenAI had played 10000 years of games at this point. That's crazy. It had no idea that this was a world champion team. It was just another speck of dust
Now I want to see Team Spirit play against Open Ai as their team coordination is too good
Trust me Open AI will smash Team spirit too
don't get the wrong idea guys.
this version of openAI 5 has lots of time to improve their play. plus they also have learned from their mistake vs pain and chinese legends.
YOU GOT THE WRONG IDEA ! Open Ai team said that the Ai DOESN'T keep the data and improve in between these matches !! Go watch openai youtube channel game 1.
@@user-jd1hy9bg1d I am pretty sure they just buffed them just a little between the games. It would probably make just this difference.
@@user-jd1hy9bg1d you're right, the AI doesnt use the data from games like these to learn. The AI plays itself, a much stronger player, in order to improve, and it does so thousands of times a day.
one of the things to note about the bots that make them scary, is that, they're calculators right? All the game is to them is just a bunch of math.
So like, you show a human a situation in the game, they need to run the math, make decisions, try and work out the best course of action. The AI sees this as math, and does it much faster
If its going into a fight, its calculated that it will most certainly win. If it wont win, it wont go for it.
A human looks at these scenarios and has to ask themselves, "Will I be able to handle this scenario? Will the odds work for me?"
The AI looks at the same scenario and says "I know these odds. I know all my options. I know if this will work for me"
Of course, the AI isnt perfect, there is a moment early on in the chat where the ai notes "I did not expect this outcome.", essentially saying "Hey, I did all the math, knew how the coin would flip, betted on both heads and tails, and it came up edge."
But that also implies that, every other moment in the game where it is not saying that, is a moment where everything is going perfectly to plan
Scary
I have seen enough sci-fi movies to know where this is going
damn, those open AI is like ranking 1 at whole server
This should be under "educational" section.
Today: *Humans in tournaments*
Future: *AI's dominating the competition*
Nah, we will still watch humans, and ocasionally some AI games, just like now. Nobody watches human cs PC in chess anymore, because they are too good.
DOTA for OpenAI was a reinforcement learning exercise that modified into reinforcement learning with human feedback (RLHF) that used for ChatGPT 3.5 and 4 .. they shifted from DOTA game to gaming up our jobs!
17:11 ceb: nice smurf :´v
LMAO
Well perfect AI synchronization will be the doom of human team players.
If they finish OpenAI 5 in years to come and make it available for the public to use, the next generation of Dota players will be absolute monsters compared to today's players.
dota is a dead game , there is no next generation
@@daffamustafa well. I stopped playing 6 months ago. But, still have millions of players now, so I don't think you're right about that. Tho, I guess they abandoned OpenAI completely.
If you think it's a dead game, what game do you think would make dota obsolete? MOBAs? League? 😂😂
@@daffamustafa lets see
@@daffamustafa just like Counter strike, dota lives, legendary games wont die.
@@cliffordsantillan6046 yeah but the think is those million players are returning players, and not many people will stick to play dota with the steep learning experience
What I find really interesting is, what the AI deems as optimal itemwise and herowise.
Per example it seems to always finish starting items like bracer, wraith, null, which many players skip nowadays.
And I believe, this was even before the 25 min buff?
I think It's possible zo learn alot from what the AI seems to view as optimal.
This was with a very limited hero Pool, but it deemed Sven and Gyro as good picks (which are currently both top meta picks, coincidence? Even tho this was before potential nerfs and buffs, so debatable.)
Also that it picked Sniper first tells me there's alot of unused potential in that hero.
Lastly the approach of spreading farm evenly to be deemed as optimal is interesting. Probably hard if to almost impossible to do as a human team, since they vonstantly switch roles.
But it's very interesting it views the standard networthgap between supports and carries to be sub optimal.
is it weird that im rooting for openAi the entire game?
xFyn No man, I'm an OG fan but I was rooting for the bots lol
Yes. Because open ai dose not know it even exists
I was too because I kinda want to see AI take over the world one day
You traitor, humans race will disown u
@@TempuraRoll-of4hj Robots will never take over the world, it's just movie with fear mongering spiced in it. Once the AI getting more godlike, the government will do operation EMP in an instant.
10:35 sniper keeping his distance while toying SF
Ai play with no emotion and they just do everything perfectly at the perfect time
Imagine AI coming up with a meta rotation
Its actually really good at that. You could just tell it what all the other team picked and ask for some good counter picks
It's amusing that the pro's laugh at the AI for buying back, but it clearly prioritizes tempo and time
But the truth is these AIs just destroyed them with their very best. These Team OPENAI must be consist of five ChatGPT-3.5. Lol😂🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
que tiempos aquellos, Ai vs OG extraño los equipos de antes
Man I was gonna write "the coder team behind this AI must be certified genius" but then I later saw 15:34 and my mind exploded.
Just give these f*cking geniuses their medals
Bro I was fucking mind blown I couldn’t stop laughing
The default dota2 AI also do this.
Bruh when the ai said the chance of them winning is 95% i fucking lmao'd
TI 9: Whoever beats the AI wins lmao
I just hope that in the future another ai appears to fight against open ai... Imagine in several years a tournament of ai teams
I see the end of humanity,
Game 1: probability 95% win.. 😂😂😂 True..
just say 95% win，Og GG
it was so fascinating watching this years ago, and again years later when openai is a household name
What at time to be alive
"calculated and estimated"
All of those who have bet on OG 😆😆😆😆
What just happened 🙄
Hope to see this OpenAI team in the TI9 playoffs. XD
It all started here...
remember th football world cup 2014's commercial where the robots/droids take over the players?
That exactly is happening now in dota2
Open AI team play as one player enabling harmony and amaozing combos
OPEN AI is what would take Dota to another tier. Just like how stockfish makes all chess players better at understanding the game.
Plot twist:
*OG* was paid by Elon musk
They got 5 Tesla car, and trip to the moon
Why are u here jordan schlansky? Late for office again? 😂
WHY ARE YOU HERE JORDAN
@@bibekshilrajkarnikar3334 thats why im always late for work
Conan's gonna fire you this time for sure😂😂😂
THEY EVOLVED MONKAGIGA
also so many awesome play from the AI like the gyro move to give vision to sniper,controlling courier for vision in a teamfight(i often see courier for vision in a gank but for team fight that a difficult one to do),and that shadow amulet play by cm is very good,and they even change role more than 1 time in a single game pogChamp
Well I believe the developers want to make it fair for humans and they didn't let the ai play heroes that control multiple units. You saw how they used that courier, imagine them using chen/enchantress😂
Just put in mind that AI doesn't have miss click, does not fail when casting all skills and so on...so even the best fall down sometimes 😅
Is OpenAI FIVE available on Dota2 workshop now? I want to play with it.
you can register too play with openai..search open ai five arena on google
I wonder if openAI has a 6th AI managing the courier.
everything is controlled by single computer
Well, I'm here after being terrified by ChatGPT...
This game convinced me that Jerax is the only human smarter than our current AI.
little did they know this is how OG became monsters in ti9
That viper's courier control reminded me of the times when the entire team had to play with 1 courier 😅
How did we survive?
Topson is a bot(easier) ?
Cant speak for his skills as a player overall, but he made some really questionable plays this game.
@@shinigamilorde5651 why go hard mode just a show
@@minhhoangnguyen2304 Even if they go hard mode their chance to win is still low
Just look at the beast SVEN ai
Og couldn't use their main weapon. Hero chat kappa
Yeah they did spamming that in grand finals. Plus the aggresive tips. I believe that helped make their opponent lost focus and some patience at some points.
They do that for mental warfare, i think for 10% of the time (90% for memes). How do you make a non-human brain spin around at the palm of your hands?
@@ryanramirez6279 by introducing abnormal and weird in-game activities. destroying your items, for example.
I want to see open AI playing on TI against pro team
I wish they would get to the point where all heroes and all items are allowed. And then face of the best 3-5 teams at this point in time.
Although OG is the current TI-Champ, you have to admit that Secret and VP are the best teams around atm
We need 1 open ai team at TI, to increase the stakes
that should be the real boss aka the real grandfinals. if humans win they get that 20m or whatever the 1st prize is
Pro: Dude how are u so noob? Go play with the ai’s man.
The AI:
Tbf openai plays all day 24/7. Probably more times in than most of us.
Playing so well against an AI, wow, fair play
10:09 this is why we will never beat machines
They're calculations is indeed impeccable
Hahahahaha
Now i remember where did og got heir ti9 playstyle from
Yup that gyro of ai and cm just very good
The badmanner series need to include these!
i want to see it play against itself, OpenAi Vs OpenAi . Best of 7
8:40 anyone see that? Sniper calculated the stun from ES?
sniper probably had vision of ES, but a normal player wouldn't have payed attention to what is going on behind him.
@@ahtoshkaa precisely, because it is open AI
its OpenAI it calculates everything, even the replenish time of the tree when it's cut down, even the exact distance and area of blindspots.
Well no team can beat AI even before og... except for two players, and this is AI fifth, idk man that's scary
Nunca esqueço dessa partida lkkkkkkk, a sincronia em equipe da ia e surreal
Im just curiouse what was the main patern of most A.I stablisher like Open A.I? to create some thing they could predict or to look on the out come from product of the critical grate posibility?
Plot Twist: Open AI Team actually has a 20k average mmr.
Wonder what OpenAI vs. OpenAI would look like...
they have been playing AI vs AI since day 1 to get itself so good. It's part of the algorithm.
they should make this a challenge in the International only for top 3 or top 5 where winning give double the prize they had won
Love the look on their face at the end 😂
During Interview after winning TI9
Notail: we learn many things with OpenAI to win TI9.
OpenAI: Hold my Beer.
5:46 lol sf
AI has long surpassed human proficiency in many ways
👾
remmember skynet is open ai, its come online at 2019 😂😂😂😂😂