Most people here commenting on Spygate does not even know what happened. The reason Goodell fined the Pats and Belichick was not because they filmed or what they filmed, it was because they filmed from the WRONG LOCATION. They were supposed to film from a space enclosed on three sides with a roof overhead. They didn't do that, and Goodell (a nitpicker for rules, as Saints fans would also agree) decided to take this opportunity and make an example out of the patriots so as to cement his authority as the new NFL commissioner. All other claims (filmed the Rams walkthrough, it helped them greatly, etc) are misinformed and false.
Then YOU should read what Josh McDaniels said to Jay Glazer about how this was "practiced, coached, and worked on" by Belichick and the Patriots. He should know, since he was a part of it. Wrong Location my ass. Why would I dismiss what HE said, and listen to YOU?
TumonniTV You misunderstood my point. What I should have also added was that taping signals was NOT illegal in the NFL until 2006, after the Pat's Super Bowl wins. However, my point still stands - the official reason (given by the NFL) for the punishment meted out by the NFL was for the ILLEGAL LOCATION of filming, nothing else. So, even if what Josh McDaniels said was true, it is irrelevant.
Bournetolive PREACH...spygate was a well known practice for decades, backed up by many of the great coaches and teams of the past. Taping signals not practices and walk thrus. It was not illegal. Spygate = Media sensationalism, makes for a better story. Pats made the mistake of still taking on the practice after if was abolished at the start of the 07 season. Not a big deal unless ur a Pats hater and need excuses for why ur team isnt as successful
Now, I never watched anything about the Cardinals but anyone watching the 2009 NFC Championship game could tell you they were purposely cheap shotting Brett Favre
not really, if u tryna make a big hit, u know the guys getting hurt some way. Just like if ur trying to lay a dirty hit. At the end of the day it doesnt change the pace and intensity that youd tackle the guy at.
I just absolutely love how these guys are debating "which is worse for the game" when in reality, why aren't people looking at it as a basic humane thing? Like yeah, Spygate is obvious cheating in the sport of football or any sport, but putting a bounty to knock somebody out and intently injure them for more money? That practically makes you a mercenary. That's some fucked up shit. That's a HELL OF A LOT WORSE then just stealing some signals when every other fucking team on the planet does it too.
saintsfan4evaa What else did they steal then? And by the way they didn't even "steal" those signals, they were available for everyone to see and make note of, which every team does. And guess what, it's not even that big a deal since teams continually modify and change their signals anyways.
Texus8 no, not only were they stealing signals, but they were illegally accessing the other teams headset. Pats fans try to say they didn't, but they are in denial.
So we are posing the question which is worst? Placing your camera in a illegal position while everyone else was doing it, getting snitched on, taking the full blame and getting overly criticized for a common practice. Or Paying your players and telling your players to and I quote "aim for the head" "Kill the head and the body dies with it" "we want him coming sideways, hit his head sideways" "at the bottom of the pile, hit his head" "he becomes human when we tear his acl". Paying your players and encouraging them to maliciously destroy and possibly paralyze players. INSANE. DISGUSTING. PUKE WORTHY.
Anyone who actually believes the getting tape on a team is worse than purposely trying to injure someone, and possibly injure someone for life is not a decent human being.
we got stickers for our helmets in high school by a assistant coach for laying out key players and taking them out of games...........we werent told do this, but you knew come monday after watching the game film your were getting a few extra stickers for it haha and that meant more then gold to us, it was your war paint
Bounty gate is WAY WORSE than spy gate! You can't defend people hitting people so hard there being carted off the field with it was clean its a part of football bounty gate was dirty hits
@@Dingoplexor you just want an excuse to hate on the Pats because they're having the dynasty, jealous hypocrite........ paying guys to hurt other players is cheating and you know it. Saints SB is tainted... Browns/cell phones, Falcons and Vikings/pumping sound, Dallas coach/kicking a down marker for first down, A Rogers admits over inflating and I can go on and on. Bottom line is all these teams do shady shit. The Pats are no worse or better than others....... period. End of story
cory silva saints had bountygate in 06 they won the super bowl in 09 there is no Tran that has gone to the extent that ur cheatin bums did end of story
@@Dingoplexor it happened the year they won the SB, learn your history...... you just can't stand the fact that all these teams cheat and in ALL SPORTS because the media gave all the jealous haters the perfect reason to hate on Boston and the Pats, now everyone's realizing that all these teams do stuff and now it's like "ohhhh but we were having so much fun hating on the Pats.... oh well we can't stop now" pathetic
the sense of fraternity that the former cowboys player talks about reminded me of the LT sack that ended Theismann's career. LT was the first one to call a medic, felt sorry and emotionally responsible for wrecking the rest of Theismann's career, etc. Bad shit happens in football, but it's sickening to hear that some teams go out to try to cause that bad shit.
That’s always been in the game maybe not as much any more but it was part of the game I guarantee lt been on couple of them teams not saying he hurt joe on purpose just saying it was def around back then and every team use to do it I mean let’s just be real here
Slash Brees Believe it or not, Belichick was technically correct! The rule prohibited taking from unauthorized locations only if the recording was being used for that specific game. The Pats were only using the info for FUTURE games. So Belichick correctly decided that Goodell’s memo suddenly changing it was unauthorized until the owners could get together in a meeting & change the rule by a majority vote! But that’s not sexy enough for media to report. It would basically be like arresting someone for a law that had not yet been changed to make the conduct illegal. Belichick & the Pats accepted the settlement for the good of the NFL. Deflategate is more complicated but same thing. Refs were OVER inflating balls beyond the maximum pressure allowed & saying that the balls would lose some air by the time they were used. Brady simply had the equipment guy let some air out of footballs that were over inflated & he never asked for the balls to be made illegally low in air pressure. I’m a Steelers fan but logic & equality must prevail for everyone, even the bastards that beat us & cost us our chances for more rings. Lol 😂
@@seanent8432 your fav team prob does the same thing. Everyone thats played on the defensive side of football knows that we're gonna hit hard regardless of injury or not. Thats our job. They just threw in extra money as an incetive for pride and what have you. If your crying about this, cry about the game of football itself.
SeanENT alright then strip all the Steelers rings in the 70’s for them all using roids look it up also take the pats rings with spygate but nope only for us saints fans look I didn’t want them to do this why punish the fan base the one thing in our 52 year history that would be worst then Katrina happening 3 more times in our city our city would die and stfu skip I think he just finished sucking Brady and jerry Jones off saying New Orleans scenario was worse we got the worst punishment WITHOUT CHEATING
EVERY single team tries to obtain coaches signals like spygate in the NFL. Respected coaches like Ditka and Parcells say its a part of the league and always has been. Its called scouting. The only difference with the Patriots is that they got ratted on by Mangini (who deeply regrets what he did). He just tried to make them stop doing it when the Patriots were playing the Jets. And look where Mangini is now lol. The average Margin of victory for the Patriots in their first 10 games in 2007 was 25.4 (just under 20 points for the whole season). So they were winning every game by 3 or 4 TD's haha. So I dont think a couple stolen hand signals would of helped them that much. BTW they were caught in mid September that year at the start of the season. So once the story broke all the taping stopped and they still dominated like no other team in football history. This was all essentially legal until 2006 in the NFL as well.
So there logic is hitting people to intentionally take them out of a game is fine because their ok with it (circular logic), but getting extra snap shots of play calls, without knowing when or how their going to implement the plays is worst...?
Two former NFL players say Spygate was worse and the fact that Bayless said Bountygate should be the end of it. Bayles is the clown who lied about his playing time in high school. I know part of being a fan is being delusional, but the Boston/New England area take it to another level. They knew both the offensive and defensive plays.
NE won three championships, NO won one. NE was just lucky to get the the SB, thanks to the tuck rule. They filmed the rams walkthrough and the panthers. NO were trying to 'kill' people and it worked, favre got fucked in that game. I'd say Spygate by just a hair.
So thankful........ I’m SO THANKFUL! A....... these players are ok..........B........ Skip Bayless has no job at espn. Hopefully they clean up their act too
NE still has its Championships. The NFC was so terrible during the era in which they won there still isn't enough evidence proving NE won its titles with the help of Spygate
PatriotsFanSince92 Yes and here's a page proving how spygate is just a load of bull shit blown out of proportion by the media. THE TRUTH WILL SET THE PATRIOTS FREE!!!!! yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
nomar manuel fucking 2008 ravens on Heinz ward much the whole steel curtain and pretty much every single Atlanta New Orleans game hell those aren’t even games those are back ally brawls at 1 in the morning
The Patriot Way !!! For every time u post that bullshit article paid for by Goodell u can b reading the book by Brian O’Leary about it or u can go rite to the key sources in josh McDaniel or Matt Walsh they gave the incriminating evidence! Ur cheaters! Ur frauds! Get over ur gay article it disproves nothing it’s a coverup from day 1 by the league to protect his friend kraft n ur a complete idiot
Justin Farkas there’s a difference between making a big play based on talent than attempting to put a big hit on a big name that will affect a big game directly. There was no reason to drill guys just for a little extra money, and plenty of those hits on Favre and Warner were suspect
@@ChocolateTundra when you go into the game, you want to hit every player as hard as you can. Theres no difference in getting extra added incentives in a contract for sacking a qb and doing what the saints did. Every former player knows it. Everyone thats played football on the defensive side knows it. Its just a part of the game.
Not to mention, this was almost a decade ago, & honestly the reason nobody talks about it anymore is because it did in fact turn out to be not that big a deal. That's a simple fact, if you followed the whole story beginning to end.
It may have something to do with the fact that there's been a focal point of their offense either inactive or seriously injured in the playoffs '(08-Brady, '09-Welker, '11-Gronk, '12-Gronk). And FWI, Spygate only refers to one game in 2007; taping other teams was legal during their dynasty era
Looking at hand signals which every team was doing is worse than injuring people and causing them bodily harm? It's one thing to tackle a person it's another when someone yanks you down by your neck with the attention to injure.
The same way that the opponent of the patriots that lost a Super Bowl for 3 or more years cause the coach knows their plays, I’m a saints fan but hitting someone on a legal hit then not now don’t get me wrong I respect Farve for being strong did the saints know there plays no I see what your saying no player should be hurt, but understand what I’m saying no team should be cheated out of a Super Bowl
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 I said in my statement they won 3 or 4 years with that spygate that’s all it happened it’s the past they won they super bowls with that and Brady a goat cause of it not hating on him at all it was the coach he got the benefits from it
Wow!!!, Had not seen this, but not surprised...the day Skip Bayless is on the correct side of an issue, will be the day, I will be wondering the world is close to an end.
Plus every football player that has faced an option defense has been told to fuck up whoever doesn’t have the ball make em feel you.. that’s kinda dirty if you wanna get technical but Ima do it to mess up your confidence
@SawedShotgun Riiiiight, filming the opposing team for later film study by the players is definitely way worse than deliberately trying to cause season-ending, even career-ending injuries. Go have some more of your Kool-Aid mixed with bourbon and wait for that next hurricane.
Peoples careers can be ended by any type of hit at any given time... cheating to win by taping walk throughs and in game signal sent in by the coaches to the defense is WORSE... the pats superbowls are tainted and always will be by spygate... after the patriots stopped cheating... they lost to ELI MANNING twice!! the great tom brady couldn't beat eli manning??? c'mon mannnnn
AgentOrange TB stepped off the field in both SBs late in the 4th quarter with the lead. The D then gave up scoring drives to the Giants. As shown by the latest SB drubbing - bad D = no championship. D still wins championships.
Theres been plenty of superbowls won by teams with mediocre D and an elite offense.. ie. 49ers(80's)cowboys(90's), rams(1999), packers(2010). even the patriots won superbowls with half decent defens, nothing special. The patriots superbowl wins are tainted and always will be, though.
AgentOrange I know off the top of my head the 49ers and Rams teams had underrated Ds. Most fans of those teams who know their stuff will tell you that. In contrast, the Pats D during their SBs vs. the Giants were not as good. If you are going to say that the Pats SBs are tainted, then the SBs won by all teams pre-2006 (going back to SB I) were all tainted because taping was not illegal pre-2006 and everybody did it, as Bill Cowher and other prominent coaches readily admitted when Spygate broke. Heck, the Broncos SBs can be said to be tainted since they cheated the salary cap to keep Elway and Davis together.
The pats are the ones who got caught... they're the only team anyone will ever talk about taping. Is there proof that other teams taped? NO because such tapes were destroyed because it was wrong. Perception is reality. The pats will always be linked to spygate. They cheated AND got caught.. the taint will remain UNLESS the pats win again with bill and tom...
How is this even a discussion? Yeah Spygate was cheating, but it was an exaggerated version of what everyone does, they just got snitched on, though admittedly, New England did it to a far greater degree than anyone else. But thats entirely different than literally paying money to injure players. Being rewarded for getting an extra sack or interception is one thing. But literally telling your players to "hit the head sideways" and giving them extra money for tearing opponents ACL, and possibly ruining their careers/lives. Everyone knows playing this physical a sport is risky and injury is always a possibility, but thats entirely different than a system where players are actually trying to do it. Also lets be honest, they got Spygate on a technicality.
face it pats fans, your 3 superbowl "championships" will always be suspect until you win without cheating or ref help, period. again you lose in the AFC championship, goodnight and saaaaaaalute! lol. enjoy watching the SB from home, lol
I'm a pats fan and I enjoyed every minute of the SB. The patriots made it to the AFC championship game with a bunch of rookies and injured team missing more than 2 key players at every position. What the patriots did this year was nothing short of amazing. You act like the patriots were healthy. Speaking of refs the last time I checked the refs caused the patriots a Superbowl against the giants when they called that BS safety call on brady on his first throw of the superbowl. That's was the determining factor of the game. Brady has the playoff wins in league history. The funny thing is that the Tom Brady was better after he won the third superbowl than he was before. They are only losing because they don't have a defense which is why they won the three to begin with. No on the subject of the dead horse that is spygate lets see what other coaches have to say about it. www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24412125/cowher-says-spygate-isnt-why-steelers-lost-to-pats-brown-agrees.
Face it Nor Cal, the media has turned you into a typical sheep hating on the Pats because they're on the dynasty run..... typical jealous human nature..... all these teams do shady crap, and they're all guilty. You know it and I know it. Bountygate, Browns/cell phone, A Rogers/admits over inflating, drugs enhancers, stickum, Dallas coach kicking a down marker for first down, Falcons/Vikings pumping sound........ illegal trades and practices and I can go on and on...... hater
if you think that, then that means you are a terrible person, saints weren't inuring one guy, especially a franchise qb guy, who if they got benched for an inexperience backup they win easily, but trying to end someone's career, you need your internet stripped from you, spygate was done by every team
Yeah, Atlanta has a good team too. I'd give the edge to the Saints due to their better offense. Atlanta has a pretty bad defense too. Asante Samuel should help a bit, but they lost Curtis Lofton to YOUR Saints. I know he's hurt right now, but seriously - what a big pickup Lofton was to replace Vilma.
*BOTH OF THEM WILL ALWAYS BE EQUALLY EFFED UP, YOUR PAYING PLAYERS TO TAKE OUT QB'S, AND YOUR TAPEING WALK THROUGHS PAYTON FELT THE LOCKEROOMS WERE BUGGED.*
the whole skygate thing just doesnt make sense. videotaping the defensive signals is just the same thing as telling a few person on your teams to use your "eyes"(as opposed to using the "electronic eye") to memorize certain defensive signals. I am pretty sure since spygate bill bellichick would be like, well ok we cant use the easier method, then we will use our eyes and note them down.
Y’all really saying bounty gate worse then spy gate... man I ain’t no pats fan but r u fucking serious... did u see what happened to Brett farve in the nfc championship....
However, taping another teams walk through right before the game?? The Patriots still had the best coach in the league and an experienced veteran quaterback who has been under the same team and coach his whole career. Lastly, the organization is hell bent on attaining players who make the team better every year. So what was the excuse for them not going to the superbowl again???
The purpose of the sport is to hit the other guy. If they didn’t want gambling in the game then they shouldn’t tolerate it period. I don’t agree with viciously hurt someone. All these guys are trying to take the best player out of the game.
so according to rob spygate is cheating because it goes against competition but paying someone to hurt the other team's best players is not cheating hahahahahaha
Umm.. Patriots are still a top team, and all the other NFL fans can cry all they want.. Patriots are still one of the best, and everyone is just going to have to deal with it..
i dont see how the bounty is more worse then the spygate?please explain that?im pretty sure something like the bounty has been around for a long time.if you choose to disagree then pop in an old nfl film and tell me or not if you dont see a dirty play.the old nfl players were ruthless we all know that but to tape the other teams signals and knowing what that team will be calling?come on now.the league made a big deal on the bounty and ignored the bounty?its flat out bullshit thats what that is!
so because staff had 3rd string practice squad tapes not even starters. they were working out not even practicing.... lol just so you know your coach has a whole trunk full of those videos. and it ws of the jets lol theyre not exactly championship material
@@CSRookie When I was playing football, it was about smashing your opponent, just as it usually is in the NFL. Players wanted other players hurt They won't verbally say it but actions trump words.
@@spambamkeija634 , I understand that ..... my point is that all these teams do shady shit to get advantages but people say it's "only the patriots who do crap to get a competitive advantage" it's a lot of bs
Yeah, man, I feel u. To be honest, the Saints could have still won without a bounty. All they would need to have done is continuously play hard. Asides from that, the Saints aren't the only organization to do bounties as well. They were just made an example of at the time.
Read the book by Brian O’Leary! U can also look at Peyton Manning’s book he has some things in there about some of the ways they cheated n even intel from players they picked up that played for them first! Plus u can look at the May of 2008 article In The NY Times or post? It’s got everything that Walsh blabbed about in it n it’s juicy af bcuz it’s a confession in so many ways
have u ever played football? a defensive player is taught to bring pain to the game. football is a game of hits and it is dangerous. is the ufc wrong for giving a bonus for ko of the night or fight of the night? u people on here r crazy, football is a contact sport, if u cannot handle the hits, play basketball or golf. beating a guy out for a position impacts a guys ability to feed his family. getting out hit in tryouts can get u cut, real ball players r laughing at this crap.
yeah because we're pissed that your defensive coordinator told his players to tear ACLs and aim for heads and sean payton and the GM did nothing about it. imagine if you lost playoff games because your opponent was told to "kill the head" of your QB and RB. the saints deserve to lose every playoff game until sean payton retires, plain and simple.
Most people here commenting on Spygate does not even know what happened. The reason Goodell fined the Pats and Belichick was not because they filmed or what they filmed, it was because they filmed from the WRONG LOCATION. They were supposed to film from a space enclosed on three sides with a roof overhead. They didn't do that, and Goodell (a nitpicker for rules, as Saints fans would also agree) decided to take this opportunity and make an example out of the patriots so as to cement his authority as the new NFL commissioner. All other claims (filmed the Rams walkthrough, it helped them greatly, etc) are misinformed and false.
Spygate: What You DIDN'T Know
Then YOU should read what Josh McDaniels said to Jay Glazer about how this was "practiced, coached, and worked on" by Belichick and the Patriots. He should know, since he was a part of it. Wrong Location my ass. Why would I dismiss what HE said, and listen to YOU?
TumonniTV
You misunderstood my point. What I should have also added was that taping signals was NOT illegal in the NFL until 2006, after the Pat's Super Bowl wins. However, my point still stands - the official reason (given by the NFL) for the punishment meted out by the NFL was for the ILLEGAL LOCATION of filming, nothing else. So, even if what Josh McDaniels said was true, it is irrelevant.
Bournetolive PREACH...spygate was a well known practice for decades, backed up by many of the great coaches and teams of the past. Taping signals not practices and walk thrus. It was not illegal. Spygate = Media sensationalism, makes for a better story. Pats made the mistake of still taking on the practice after if was abolished at the start of the 07 season. Not a big deal unless ur a Pats hater and need excuses for why ur team isnt as successful
Bournetolive THANK YOU!!!! AND THIS PAGE WILL BACK UP WHAT HE SAID yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
Now, I never watched anything about the Cardinals but anyone watching the 2009 NFC Championship game could tell you they were purposely cheap shotting Brett Favre
Spy gate was basically legal until 2006 look it up folks
Harman Deol yeah just not video taping ppls super bowl walkthroughs foh clown
suck myball u must b a little goofball child to spout ignorance like that
And it was illegal when the Patriots did it..... soooooo.
Negative. Taping the times and their play calls no it wasn't.
Lol murder was "basically" legal at one point in time too lOoK iT uP
How in the fuck can anyone seriously think Spygate was worse!?! Bountygate was far far worse, are you kidding me!
Stop hating on the saints
***** Pats fan, huh?
Niner fan actually.
btez31 saints fan huh?
there's big difference between big hits & dirty hits
not really, if u tryna make a big hit, u know the guys getting hurt some way. Just like if ur trying to lay a dirty hit. At the end of the day it doesnt change the pace and intensity that youd tackle the guy at.
The bountygate is far worse!!
XBOXGHOSTLYASSASIN Cheateriot fan??
+btez31 The dude above you is clearly a Panthers fan if you bothered to look at his profile tag.
Draven Medina
I didn't bother, I respond to misinformed and idiotic comments, I don't spend time looking up people's profiles.
btez31
It's literally the pic next to his freakin name. How could you miss that. It obviously shows Cam Newton's pic.
Draven Medina
So??
I just absolutely love how these guys are debating "which is worse for the game" when in reality, why aren't people looking at it as a basic humane thing? Like yeah, Spygate is obvious cheating in the sport of football or any sport, but putting a bounty to knock somebody out and intently injure them for more money? That practically makes you a mercenary. That's some fucked up shit. That's a HELL OF A LOT WORSE then just stealing some signals when every other fucking team on the planet does it too.
Stop hating
They weren't just stealing signals dum ass
saintsfan4evaa What else did they steal then? And by the way they didn't even "steal" those signals, they were available for everyone to see and make note of, which every team does. And guess what, it's not even that big a deal since teams continually modify and change their signals anyways.
Texus8 no, not only were they stealing signals, but they were illegally accessing the other teams headset. Pats fans try to say they didn't, but they are in denial.
saintsfan4evaa
Can you cite some sources? I haven't seen that reported anywhere.
So we are posing the question which is worst? Placing your camera in a illegal position while everyone else was doing it, getting snitched on, taking the full blame and getting overly criticized for a common practice. Or Paying your players and telling your players to and I quote "aim for the head" "Kill the head and the body dies with it" "we want him coming sideways, hit his head sideways" "at the bottom of the pile, hit his head" "he becomes human when we tear his acl". Paying your players and encouraging them to maliciously destroy and possibly paralyze players. INSANE. DISGUSTING. PUKE WORTHY.
+George M. I'm curious if Odell's hit was Bountygate dirty.
***** Oh, you're a saints fan. Nice to know. Spy gate has been done over 10 times in NFL history.
Scott Kohler lol, spygate was done by every team in the nfl you delusional idiot
Alot of the teams "spied" on the other teams. What Patriots got caught with was filming in a certain area.
Bountygate is just dirty.
Anyone who actually believes the getting tape on a team is worse than purposely trying to injure someone, and possibly injure someone for life is not a decent human being.
we got stickers for our helmets in high school by a assistant coach for laying out key players and taking them out of games...........we werent told do this, but you knew come monday after watching the game film your were getting a few extra stickers for it haha and that meant more then gold to us, it was your war paint
I rather you cheat and beat me than to scramble my brains or leave my paralyzed
Bounty gate is WAY WORSE than spy gate! You can't defend people hitting people so hard there being carted off the field with it was clean its a part of football bounty gate was dirty hits
Carson Richardson its football if there is a guy who is good he is wanted gone.
Carson Richardson they compromised the integrity of the whole game doin that bullshit
@@Dingoplexor you just want an excuse to hate on the Pats because they're having the dynasty, jealous hypocrite........ paying guys to hurt other players is cheating and you know it. Saints SB is tainted... Browns/cell phones, Falcons and Vikings/pumping sound, Dallas coach/kicking a down marker for first down, A Rogers admits over inflating and I can go on and on. Bottom line is all these teams do shady shit. The Pats are no worse or better than others....... period. End of story
cory silva saints had bountygate in 06 they won the super bowl in 09 there is no Tran that has gone to the extent that ur cheatin bums did end of story
@@Dingoplexor it happened the year they won the SB, learn your history...... you just can't stand the fact that all these teams cheat and in ALL SPORTS because the media gave all the jealous haters the perfect reason to hate on Boston and the Pats, now everyone's realizing that all these teams do stuff and now it's like "ohhhh but we were having so much fun hating on the Pats.... oh well we can't stop now" pathetic
the sense of fraternity that the former cowboys player talks about reminded me of the LT sack that ended Theismann's career. LT was the first one to call a medic, felt sorry and emotionally responsible for wrecking the rest of Theismann's career, etc. Bad shit happens in football, but it's sickening to hear that some teams go out to try to cause that bad shit.
That’s always been in the game maybe not as much any more but it was part of the game I guarantee lt been on couple of them teams not saying he hurt joe on purpose just saying it was def around back then and every team use to do it I mean let’s just be real here
darren woodson is completely missing the point of malicious intent smdh
Lmao this guy saying he would like the extra money to put 'big hits' aka injure guys pretty pathetic.
All teams do that patriots just happened to get caught
7 years later I want to be outraged but I tell myself to listen only to those who PLAYED professionally & suddenly it was not a big deal.
Truth^^^
Slash Brees Believe it or not, Belichick was technically correct! The rule prohibited taking from unauthorized locations only if the recording was being used for that specific game. The Pats were only using the info for FUTURE games. So Belichick correctly decided that Goodell’s memo suddenly changing it was unauthorized until the owners could get together in a meeting & change the rule by a majority vote! But that’s not sexy enough for media to report.
It would basically be like arresting someone for a law that had not yet been changed to make the conduct illegal. Belichick & the Pats accepted the settlement for the good of the NFL.
Deflategate is more complicated but same thing. Refs were OVER inflating balls beyond the maximum pressure allowed & saying that the balls would lose some air by the time they were used. Brady simply had the equipment guy let some air out of footballs that were over inflated & he never asked for the balls to be made illegally low in air pressure. I’m a Steelers fan but logic & equality must prevail for everyone, even the bastards that beat us & cost us our chances for more rings. Lol 😂
Skip nailed this! The Saints should have been stripped of the XLIV Title
SeanENT nah. Thats what YOU want.
It's what should've happened but oh well
@@seanent8432 your fav team prob does the same thing. Everyone thats played on the defensive side of football knows that we're gonna hit hard regardless of injury or not. Thats our job. They just threw in extra money as an incetive for pride and what have you. If your crying about this, cry about the game of football itself.
LarryKing sthu cause if it happened to brees you would want Minnesota stripped of the nfc championship
SeanENT alright then strip all the Steelers rings in the 70’s for them all using roids look it up also take the pats rings with spygate but nope only for us saints fans look I didn’t want them to do this why punish the fan base the one thing in our 52 year history that would be worst then Katrina happening 3 more times in our city our city would die and stfu skip I think he just finished sucking Brady and jerry Jones off saying New Orleans scenario was worse we got the worst punishment WITHOUT CHEATING
I think it helped for close playoff games.
EVERY single team tries to obtain coaches signals like spygate in the NFL. Respected coaches like Ditka and Parcells say its a part of the league and always has been. Its called scouting. The only difference with the Patriots is that they got ratted on by Mangini (who deeply regrets what he did). He just tried to make them stop doing it when the Patriots were playing the Jets. And look where Mangini is now lol. The average Margin of victory for the Patriots in their first 10 games in 2007 was 25.4 (just under 20 points for the whole season). So they were winning every game by 3 or 4 TD's haha. So I dont think a couple stolen hand signals would of helped them that much. BTW they were caught in mid September that year at the start of the season. So once the story broke all the taping stopped and they still dominated like no other team in football history. This was all essentially legal until 2006 in the NFL as well.
torszulak21 yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
Dude read this and just shut up
@@medina8484 he's defending the Pats
Say you're offered 5-10 million to concuss someone! You'll get a MIGRAINE JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT!
Man the opinion of the first guy didn’t age well...
It’s funny how the two guys on the left keep changing their story when skip tells them a good point smh
It’s funny that we live in a world where people actually believe videotaping a team is worse than purposely injuring people
So there logic is hitting people to intentionally take them out of a game is fine because their ok with it (circular logic), but getting extra snap shots of play calls, without knowing when or how their going to implement the plays is worst...?
Search for the spygate untold.....its worse than just taping, double qb frequency, etc
What about cap gate by the Broncos?
Yup
That was a stupid scandal and I’m no Broncos fan.
great point, u r a real ball player and those complaining r ignorant about the hitting part of football.
Two former NFL players say Spygate was worse and the fact that Bayless said Bountygate should be the end of it. Bayles is the clown who lied about his playing time in high school. I know part of being a fan is being delusional, but the Boston/New England area take it to another level. They knew both the offensive and defensive plays.
NE won three championships, NO won one. NE was just lucky to get the the SB, thanks to the tuck rule. They filmed the rams walkthrough and the panthers. NO were trying to 'kill' people and it worked, favre got fucked in that game. I'd say Spygate by just a hair.
So thankful........ I’m SO THANKFUL! A....... these players are ok..........B........ Skip Bayless has no job at espn. Hopefully they clean up their act too
NE still has its Championships. The NFC was so terrible during the era in which they won there still isn't enough evidence proving NE won its titles with the help of Spygate
the rule was implemented after their 3 Super Bowl wins so it really isn't even relevant.
Spygate still some baby back bull shit
PatriotsFanSince92 Yes and here's a page proving how spygate is just a load of bull shit blown out of proportion by the media. THE TRUTH WILL SET THE PATRIOTS FREE!!!!! yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
Spygate was worse otherwise goodell wouldnt have burned the tapes bountygate is clearly tackel football anyways
mauricio cortez yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
READ THIS AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
+Draven Medina You could have just said read it. No need to curse at the guy. Manners
Spygate is a joke everyone did it..
Noone but the saints did bounty gate...
nomar manuel fucking 2008 ravens on Heinz ward much the whole steel curtain and pretty much every single Atlanta New Orleans game hell those aren’t even games those are back ally brawls at 1 in the morning
The Patriot Way !!! For every time u post that bullshit article paid for by Goodell u can b reading the book by Brian O’Leary about it or u can go rite to the key sources in josh McDaniel or Matt Walsh they gave the incriminating evidence! Ur cheaters! Ur frauds! Get over ur gay article it disproves nothing it’s a coverup from day 1 by the league to protect his friend kraft n ur a complete idiot
Bountygate is worse. This shit could've ended people's career
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'It was always controlled violence' my ass
Football is a physical game. The point of the game is to take down and hit the guy with the ball. Who cares if they put money on it
Justin Farkas there’s a difference between making a big play based on talent than attempting to put a big hit on a big name that will affect a big game directly. There was no reason to drill guys just for a little extra money, and plenty of those hits on Favre and Warner were suspect
@@ChocolateTundra when you go into the game, you want to hit every player as hard as you can. Theres no difference in getting extra added incentives in a contract for sacking a qb and doing what the saints did. Every former player knows it. Everyone thats played football on the defensive side knows it. Its just a part of the game.
what ever makes Pats fans feel better......
Win any arguement with a Patriots fan with one word: SPYGATE. LOL
What that mean? Eric Mangini snitched and we still won 4 Super Bowls after that 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@deucebanks973 This comment was 8 years ago
I lost a lot of respect for Woodson with this discussion.
Why, because he's speaking the truth? Can't pretend it's not accurate.
Why because he speaks the truth? Can't pretend it's not accurate. He played the game.
Not to mention, this was almost a decade ago, & honestly the reason nobody talks about it anymore is because it did in fact turn out to be not that big a deal. That's a simple fact, if you followed the whole story beginning to end.
Like to see someone put a bounty on Skippy
It may have something to do with the fact that there's been a focal point of their offense either inactive or seriously injured in the playoffs '(08-Brady, '09-Welker, '11-Gronk, '12-Gronk). And FWI, Spygate only refers to one game in 2007; taping other teams was legal during their dynasty era
Looking at hand signals which every team was doing is worse than injuring people and causing them bodily harm? It's one thing to tackle a person it's another when someone yanks you down by your neck with the attention to injure.
Bountygate easily spygate happens more often than not and purposefully injuring players is MUCH MUCH WORSE than videotaping teams
All teams was paying players to go out and and take ppl out. Saints just got caught
Brett favre and Kurt Warner played the whole game. As well as every other starting QB that faced the saints during bountygate.
The same way that the opponent of the patriots that lost a Super Bowl for 3 or more years cause the coach knows their plays, I’m a saints fan but hitting someone on a legal hit then not now don’t get me wrong I respect Farve for being strong did the saints know there plays no I see what your saying no player should be hurt, but understand what I’m saying no team should be cheated out of a Super Bowl
@@shoneythomas9215 3 or more years??? what??
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 I said in my statement they won 3 or 4 years with that spygate that’s all it happened it’s the past they won they super bowls with that and Brady a goat cause of it not hating on him at all it was the coach he got the benefits from it
Wow!!!, Had not seen this, but not surprised...the day Skip Bayless is on the correct side of an issue, will be the day, I will be wondering the world is close to an end.
If you knew anything about Spygate you'd know that the Patriots did not win superbowls because of it.
Plus every football player that has faced an option defense has been told to fuck up whoever doesn’t have the ball make em feel you.. that’s kinda dirty if you wanna get technical but Ima do it to mess up your confidence
I agree, the Saints aren't dead. They are still one of the best teams in the league. I personally rank them in the Top 5.
@SawedShotgun
Riiiiight, filming the opposing team for later film study by the players is definitely way worse than deliberately trying to cause season-ending, even career-ending injuries. Go have some more of your Kool-Aid mixed with bourbon and wait for that next hurricane.
Peoples careers can be ended by any type of hit at any given time... cheating to win by taping walk throughs and in game signal sent in by the coaches to the defense is WORSE... the pats superbowls are tainted and always will be by spygate... after the patriots stopped cheating... they lost to ELI MANNING twice!! the great tom brady couldn't beat eli manning??? c'mon mannnnn
AgentOrange
TB stepped off the field in both SBs late in the 4th quarter with the lead. The D then gave up scoring drives to the Giants. As shown by the latest SB drubbing - bad D = no championship. D still wins championships.
Theres been plenty of superbowls won by teams with mediocre D and an elite offense.. ie. 49ers(80's)cowboys(90's), rams(1999), packers(2010). even the patriots won superbowls with half decent defens, nothing special. The patriots superbowl wins are tainted and always will be, though.
AgentOrange
I know off the top of my head the 49ers and Rams teams had underrated Ds. Most fans of those teams who know their stuff will tell you that. In contrast, the Pats D during their SBs vs. the Giants were not as good. If you are going to say that the Pats SBs are tainted, then the SBs won by all teams pre-2006 (going back to SB I) were all tainted because taping was not illegal pre-2006 and everybody did it, as Bill Cowher and other prominent coaches readily admitted when Spygate broke. Heck, the Broncos SBs can be said to be tainted since they cheated the salary cap to keep Elway and Davis together.
The pats are the ones who got caught... they're the only team anyone will ever talk about taping. Is there proof that other teams taped? NO because such tapes were destroyed because it was wrong. Perception is reality. The pats will always be linked to spygate. They cheated AND got caught.. the taint will remain UNLESS the pats win again with bill and tom...
Lesson learned: Cheat in life for success
I say both are bad.
How is this even a discussion? Yeah Spygate was cheating, but it was an exaggerated version of what everyone does, they just got snitched on, though admittedly, New England did it to a far greater degree than anyone else. But thats entirely different than literally paying money to injure players. Being rewarded for getting an extra sack or interception is one thing. But literally telling your players to "hit the head sideways" and giving them extra money for tearing opponents ACL, and possibly ruining their careers/lives. Everyone knows playing this physical a sport is risky and injury is always a possibility, but thats entirely different than a system where players are actually trying to do it.
Also lets be honest, they got Spygate on a technicality.
skip bayless everbody, the biggest patriots fan in the world
face it pats fans, your 3 superbowl "championships" will always be suspect until you win without cheating or ref help, period.
again you lose in the AFC championship, goodnight and saaaaaaalute! lol. enjoy watching the SB from home, lol
I'm a pats fan and I enjoyed every minute of the SB. The patriots made it to the AFC championship game with a bunch of rookies and injured team missing more than 2 key players at every position. What the patriots did this year was nothing short of amazing. You act like the patriots were healthy. Speaking of refs the last time I checked the refs caused the patriots a Superbowl against the giants when they called that BS safety call on brady on his first throw of the superbowl. That's was the determining factor of the game. Brady has the playoff wins in league history. The funny thing is that the Tom Brady was better after he won the third superbowl than he was before. They are only losing because they don't have a defense which is why they won the three to begin with. No on the subject of the dead horse that is spygate lets see what other coaches have to say about it. www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24412125/cowher-says-spygate-isnt-why-steelers-lost-to-pats-brown-agrees.
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***** yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
How about now?
Face it Nor Cal, the media has turned you into a typical sheep hating on the Pats because they're on the dynasty run..... typical jealous human nature..... all these teams do shady crap, and they're all guilty. You know it and I know it. Bountygate, Browns/cell phone, A Rogers/admits over inflating, drugs enhancers, stickum, Dallas coach kicking a down marker for first down, Falcons/Vikings pumping sound........ illegal trades and practices and I can go on and on...... hater
who are these jokes thinking filming a teams plays is worse than putting money on injuring a specific player
if you think that, then that means you are a terrible person, saints weren't inuring one guy, especially a franchise qb guy, who if they got benched for an inexperience backup they win easily, but trying to end someone's career, you need your internet stripped from you, spygate was done by every team
Yeah, Atlanta has a good team too. I'd give the edge to the Saints due to their better offense. Atlanta has a pretty bad defense too. Asante Samuel should help a bit, but they lost Curtis Lofton to YOUR Saints. I know he's hurt right now, but seriously - what a big pickup Lofton was to replace Vilma.
Are you kidding me bountygate was way way worse
Skip Bayless is so right... i agreee.. lol he makes a point!!!
of course bounty gate is worse they hadn't heard the audio. listen to the audio
Spygate...Are you kidding me? Of course Spygate...Hey Two mics wearing Brady my team wantss their two rings! Go Steelers!
Your shitty don't deserve shit. And they have a fake ring from Superbowl 40
yeah because taking out players who change the game for money is not bad at all oh and ps how was that game last week vs new england
Bounty gate was way worse. Not even close.
The Raiders of the 70s and 80s cheated all the time! So their 3 Super Bowls are tainted too then
The only people who defend spygate are patriots fan
Bountygate
If bountygate was real, Marshawn Lynch wouldn't have run all over the Saints defense in the playoff game against Seattle.
*BOTH OF THEM WILL ALWAYS BE EQUALLY EFFED UP, YOUR PAYING PLAYERS TO TAKE OUT QB'S, AND YOUR TAPEING WALK THROUGHS PAYTON FELT THE LOCKEROOMS WERE BUGGED.*
the whole skygate thing just doesnt make sense. videotaping the defensive signals is just the same thing as telling a few person on your teams to use your "eyes"(as opposed to using the "electronic eye") to memorize certain defensive signals. I am pretty sure since spygate bill bellichick would be like, well ok we cant use the easier method, then we will use our eyes and note them down.
I’m a patriots fan and I’m not big on Bill belichick but I’ll defend bill for what he did durning spygate he did nothing wrong
🤣🤣 shut up bill cheated saints paid for big hits and make team players better.
Michael Baby There was never a rule against it until bill did it
Brett Favre's career was already over. What the hell is Skip Bayless talking about?
Its not all about your career, what about your fkn LIFE bruh
Y’all really saying bounty gate worse then spy gate... man I ain’t no pats fan but r u fucking serious... did u see what happened to Brett farve in the nfc championship....
However, taping another teams walk through right before the game?? The Patriots still had the best coach in the league and an experienced veteran quaterback who has been under the same team and coach his whole career. Lastly, the organization is hell bent on attaining players who make the team better every year. So what was the excuse for them not going to the superbowl again???
Every team has cheated once in there history the difference is we got caught saints were intentionally hurting people for money
Stupid comment. Saints played by the rules. Steelers an raiders were a lot worse.
I was like wat when I saw curtis lofton on the saints
Bountygate is way worse
name me one team that doesnt win a championship without an competitive edge (aka cheating whether alledged or actual)
The purpose of the sport is to hit the other guy. If they didn’t want gambling in the game then they shouldn’t tolerate it period. I don’t agree with viciously hurt someone. All these guys are trying to take the best player out of the game.
i wouldnt say destroyed
trying to hurt other players in unsportsmanlike like but its not "cheating" per say.
Spy gate was bad bounty gate was so much worse!
why do the patriots cover the vegas spread 60 percent of the time
so according to rob spygate is cheating because it goes against competition but paying someone to hurt the other team's best players is not cheating hahahahahaha
Umm.. Patriots are still a top team, and all the other NFL fans can cry all they want.. Patriots are still one of the best, and everyone is just going to have to deal with it..
Skip Bayless is too...
i dont see how the bounty is more worse then the spygate?please explain that?im pretty sure something like the bounty has been around for a long time.if you choose to disagree then pop in an old nfl film and tell me or not if you dont see a dirty play.the old nfl players were ruthless we all know that but to tape the other teams signals and knowing what that team will be calling?come on now.the league made a big deal on the bounty and ignored the bounty?its flat out bullshit thats what that is!
Spygate is worse!! The Pats won those 3 undeserved SB's with it and the Saints suck!!!
PSH BOUNTY AINT AS BAD AS PEOPLE THINK!
hahaha great how I wish tom brady taste that fuckin bountygate that would be priceless if it would happen,
so because staff had 3rd string practice squad tapes not even starters. they were working out not even practicing.... lol just so you know your coach has a whole trunk full of those videos. and it ws of the jets lol theyre not exactly championship material
CRYGATE
Rob Parker I hate that dude man
spygate is way worse bountygate isnt a big deal at all
SawedShotgun yourteamcheats.com/what-is-spygate
READ THIS AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
Paying guys to hurt other players isn't cheating? You're finding excuses to hate on the Pats period
@@CSRookie
When I was playing football, it was about smashing your opponent, just as it usually is in the NFL. Players wanted other players hurt
They won't verbally say it but actions trump words.
@@spambamkeija634 , I understand that ..... my point is that all these teams do shady shit to get advantages but people say it's "only the patriots who do crap to get a competitive advantage" it's a lot of bs
Yeah, man, I feel u. To be honest, the Saints could have still won without a bounty. All they would need to have done is continuously play hard. Asides from that, the Saints aren't the only organization to do bounties as well. They were just made an example of at the time.
if u knew what u were talking about! just like people say weeds bad!
why does sports make people dum? oh, i get it. sum who watched never played
ypizzle19
Can you cite one credible article that has not been debunked that proves your claims? Otherwise, you are just a troll.
Read the book by Brian O’Leary! U can also look at Peyton Manning’s book he has some things in there about some of the ways they cheated n even intel from players they picked up that played for them first! Plus u can look at the May of 2008 article In The NY Times or post? It’s got everything that Walsh blabbed about in it n it’s juicy af bcuz it’s a confession in so many ways
have u ever played football? a defensive player is taught to bring pain to the game. football is a game of hits and it is dangerous. is the ufc wrong for giving a bonus for ko of the night or fight of the night? u people on here r crazy, football is a contact sport, if u cannot handle the hits, play basketball or golf. beating a guy out for a position impacts a guys ability to feed his family. getting out hit in tryouts can get u cut, real ball players r laughing at this crap.
These saints haters piss me tf off
neworleanssaintsfan4evaa I feel u man oh well I guess we’ll just have to laugh when we win this year
Random Polish guy u right
yeah because we're pissed that your defensive coordinator told his players to tear ACLs and aim for heads and sean payton and the GM did nothing about it. imagine if you lost playoff games because your opponent was told to "kill the head" of your QB and RB. the saints deserve to lose every playoff game until sean payton retires, plain and simple.
how is bounty gate not bad