Honestly that's always how I've interpreted that phrase. I think if anybody understood that then MLK would have. His legacy has just been coopted so much after his death that people can pretend he was a lot more passive than he was.
Flying planes so close to the ground to fight fires is even more terrifying when you learn; as you dump the water, you have to push the sticks forward to keep the nose level, as the now lighter plane travelling at a high airspeed have a tendancy to nose up so violently it can rip the wings off.
That's why you play the throttle like a saxophone while keeping that yoke forward because most of the fire bombers are now converted 737 ex-cargo planes. So you at least get a lot of turbofan power.
The actual Aldo Leopold quote is "One of the penalties of an ecological education is that one lives alone in a world of wounds." "Mark" was definitely underselling how intense the quote is
Seething Podcel: "Why aren't they talking about the engineering disaster? Why is this episode 3 hours long? This frightens and angers me." WTYP-patricians: "I want to spend more time listening to them talking about fewer engineering disasters per hour and I'm not kidding."
I like this balance. You got the pre-text of finding out a bunch of cool / interesting things while learning about an engineering disaster that really makes the banter go down smoothly.
I want to give praise to the first responders because without them I genuinely would not be alive. During the campfire we evacuated north, we waited so long to the point where as soon as we got on the main road the pet cemetery across the street was engulfed in flames. We made it up to a supermarket in magalia where we decided to seek refuge in the nearby church parking lot because they have good bathroom, we were stuck there all day because we had no gas. Later at night we attempted to leave because there was supposedly a clear route out but we and our convoy had to turn back around on the dam because the road was blocked. Soon after that we rushed into the church building and laid on the floor breathing through blankets to avoid the smoke. Later during the night we watched the subway across the street burn down and enjoyed the soothing sound of exploding propane tanks. Genuinely if it wasn’t for the firefighters keeping the building clear we would have died that night, we were certain that our car would’ve blown up otherwise. After that night, early in the morning we drove down to Chico passing by our freshly destroyed town. Mind you I was 10 at this time too. FUCK PG&E! Thank you guys for making a video about the disaster that changed our communities lives.
the thing I like about Liam is that he will go from ranting about how he'll kill you if you insult his mom to telling his good friend November to hydrate so she doesn't get a hangover in the very next breath What a guy ♥️
With all the talk of hunting Smokey the Bear, I feel the need to introduce Ember the Fox. The mascot Britsh Columbia introduced to replace Smokey and promote responsible forest management, as well as clearly being disgned by a furry
Love Liam sharing jokes from his rabbi. I always heard that joke as Elie Wiesel meeting god and telling a holocaust joke. God doesn't get it, and Elie says "you had to be there."
When my grandpa got out of the Air Force in the 50's (he had narrowly avoided being sent to Korea), he got a job doing fire bombing. Essentially all of the planes in fire fighting service in that era were converted WWII military planes of various shapes and sizes, so he got to fly a of insanely cool shit, like B25's, B26's, and even F7F Tigercats. Eventually my grandma got pregnant with my aunt and she basically told him "I am not raising our children alone after you inevitably turn yourself into a smoking hole in a mountainside" and he pursued a much less insane career in the airlines.
10 minutes in and I just want to say that i would absolutely subscribe to "Well That's Not My Problem: A podcast about whatever else we feel like talking about at the moment"
"Well That's Not My Problem: A podcast about whatever else we feel like talking about at the moment" I mean, that's what it always has been, and it's the reason I'm here.
People with misophonia and autism spectrum disorders that have sensory processing issues. The sharp hiss of the hit marker can cause significant impacts to people. Changing to a different tone, or sound, would allow Devon to still mark the moment but not cause anxiety or discomfort for listeners with sensory differences.
@@TheRealPfhreak thank you for explaining it so clearly... Everytime I hear it, I think my audio has cut out for some reason. I've grown to appreciate it but it was jarring at first not having known what it was from initially.
@@TheRealPfhreakI appreciate your perspective, I also have autism and audio processing issues, just different ones apparently - it has never bothered me but I will redrum anyone I can hear eating in a video so I can relate. As long as the sound doesn't change to something other people (me, alright? I mean me 😅) struggle with in turn I think it would be nice to change it.
I was ten miles done the road from this. I woke up for school and headed out for the local community college annex. It was a nice day but way up the ridge there was this little column of smoke rising up. No big deal, we get fires all the time. So about an hour later I'm in class and we are all told we need to go home right now. We all head out of the building and it is now the last days of Pompeii. The sky is pitch black, ash is raining down. The school was right on the evacuation route and we were right next to the Walmart which was now an evacuation center. The road is packed with cars. There were pickups filled with terrified looking people...just totally unreal. No knew what was happening and I was scared out of my mind. I took me four hours to make what usually was a ten minute trip to get home. Once there it was time to start packing because we didn't know where that fire was going. Then we waited for the evac notice. That never came fortunately. The disaster just kinda went on for a while. There is the fire and the dead but afterwards its just this slow quiet disaster. People are scattered to the wind, moving to where they can. Chico, Oroville and the surrounding towns really couldn't take everyone in. Prices went up, homelessness went up. Walmart still had tents around it for what seemed months till the city forced them to leave. Place still feel kinda messed up. Kinda sucks that the only thing people really remember out it are Jewish space laser jokes. Thanks for doing the video. Can you do Oroville dam almost breaking next?
I was far enough to not have to worry about the flames, but still close enough that everybody was told to stay inside and keep all windows closed to try and keep the smoke out...
I live fairly near boulder, CO, and a couple of years ago, we had a fire that came down the ridge of the mountains nearest to us. "Last days of pompeii" is absolutely correct. I was like 5-10 miles away and it was kinda haunting and eerie even at that distance. I can only imagine what it'd be like if you were *in* it.
i worked the shelter in Orland for this and the dam as well. Ridiculous how poor the response was and the political shitshow around it was a whole other can of worms.
Survivor of a similar fire disaster, and it was utter and complete *_hell_* ! Like op, our community will never be the same, so many people just fled and never returned. It's been years and so, so many people still are living in camp trailers.
My favorite "Mexico is the greatest nation on earth" flex, specially for November, is that they never recognized the Franco regime. Never. From 1939 all the way until the release of Star Wars in 1977, the Second Spanish Republic remained the only recognized government of Spain, in the eyes of Mexico. A weird trivia fact: remember when Tommy Smith and John Carlos did a black power salute in the Mexico City Olympics? And the guy that the IOC sent to make sure Hitler wasn't antisemitic got SUPER MAD because unlike the Nazi salute (which he liked), it was "nOt a NaTiOnAl SaLuTe?" Guess what! The last government of Spain recognized in Mexico City, at that time (1968) was the Second Spanish Republic. And what was the customary military salute in the last years of the Second Spanish Republic? That's right, the raised fist.* It was a national salute all along! Fuck you, Avery Brundage! *That's where it comes from. That's how it became the Black Power salute: because a lot of the people who were antifascist enough to go fight in Spain came home and were pretty damn anti-racist.
50:45 A former Australian Prime Minister once said "we could not possibly have destroyed the topsoil of this continent better if we had deliberately set out to do it"
I used to live south of the Camp fire, and recent transplants would complain about the smoke from the trees. And I would remind them, "And smoke from the electronics. And the vehicles. And the people, don't forget you are breathing those in as well."
Even with the downgrade of HS2. Britain still has a lot of trains so I wouldn’t call them scared of trains. The poor trans community though is thoroughly screwed over
@@MrJimheeren oh no we are totally transphobic too, the treasury would get rid of the trains in an instant if given half a chance as a 'cost saving measure'
@@theprojectproject01 The soil surface is the most biodiverse place on the planet. A teaspoon of the stuff can easily contain trillions of organisms, and they all tend to have mechanisms to survive hostile environments by going inactive. You can assume everything is everywhere at all times and you'll generally not be far removed from reality.
dear WTYP: i love the podcast and mean no disrespect to devon's wonderful editing work when i say i would kill for the unedited full length recordings once in a while. i listen to the pod while i clean & do hobbies, and i adore the longer episodes especially. thank you for another banger & all the time, research, coordination, and emotional labor it takes to deal with these disasters in factual and empathetic terms. you're all gems. ❤
Agreed, I miss the Justin editing days for the light touch editing and free for all tangents. Plus, no one listens to this podcast for the host’s conciseness so what’s the need to remove anything beyond dead air breaks?
A couple times on KJB Abi has called her "Vem" and honestly I'm disappointed in my parents for giving me a name that doesn't have two nicknames that cool built in to it
@@TrashHeapCustodian I knew a girl with the name Raven and she said her parents chose Raven because they thought it would be a cool name. They were right lol.
I was in Chico when the camp fire started. When I saw the pillar of smoke at first I was like “damn that a weird ass cloud.” It was until I was waiting for one of my classes to start, when a giant piece of ash landed smack in the middle of my phone screen when I was like “oh shit that’s not good.” While the school waited until almost the end of the day to suspend classes, and even longer to cancel classes the following, they thankfully did, and I got my ass out of there. While I was totally fine and was not in any serious danger myself, I still saw the fire on top of a ridge on my way out. That shit was scary Also I don’t think they mentioned it, but most people who got payouts had to fight for YEARS to get them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they still are tbh. And it’s also almost impossible to get fire insurance in California now if you live in a remotely fire prone area. The insurance companies will just tell you no. I cannot tell you how maddening it is to live in a state I love so much, and just refuses to hold PG&E accountable in ANY way.
I was in Stockton. That hideous color! And the smell, like a dirty wood fire. Got to the point where you didn’t want to breathe outside very quickly. It was clear something was wrong long before it hit the news.
Hey Devon, I'm fine with the hitmarker sound. If I'm just listening to the podcast while working with dangerous chemicals, it is soft enough to make me look at the screen and read what you're writing. Thank you.
A sound is useful, but the specific sound chosen is an accessibility issue for some people with autism spectrum disorders or misophonia. It would be great to have a lower, rounder sound to mark out Devon's comments.
@@TheRealPfhreak I’m a live audio engineer and it triggers me because it sounds like someone unplugging their instrument cable without muting or other connection issue resulting in a pop. I jump or cringe every time.
The late Mike Davis wrote my favorite essay titled "The Case for Letting Malibu Burn" which recapitulates this episode through a deeper dive into Southern California and wildfire.
I had a summer job on a Fish &Wildlife Service fire crew. According to the old hands who trained us, it isn't a fire triangle, but a fire SQUARE. Heat, fuel, oxygen, and overtime. Take away one, and the fire goes out.
I was always under the impression that ND had a State Tree(TM). It was the only one in the state, and when the farmer whose yard it was in got tired of it and cut it down (this is actually illegal, as the State Tree(TM) is protected, but that law is never really enforced), a new tree had to be planted elsewhere at once
@@ebnertra0004 Yeah, it's right here in Bismarck. I have been assigned to protect it. I nearly killed it by peeing on it once. Yes I am a cat. To the left is my Official Tree Guard ID photo. I shall dutifully protect that tree with 8 of my lives. The 9th I'm saving for retirement.
What's really weird about Neom is that they did start groundwork and excavations along the full length of the line. You can see it on aerial Maps. Now they commit to just 1%?
I HAVE IMPORTANT TREE DETAILS!!!!!! Douglas fir, once mature, is actually an extremely fire tolerant species. Young interior douglas fir are susceptible to fire in the context of these western forests, but further northwest they grow amongst other trees that are not fire tolerant even when mature. Because of this they become massive veterans in forests of hemlock and spruce that do burn each fire cycle. He's not wrong, but dont count out my boy Dougie in the fire tolerance game!
I live in Sydney, during the Black summer bushfires in 2019 and 2020, the amount of particles you were inhaling just walking down. The street was insane. And the closest fire to me was probably 20 or more kilometres away. But a couple of the fires merged and I believe the latest estimation is that it burnt the equivalent size of Bulgaria. Ironically people were talking about how to get their hands on facemasks, and two months later what would you know, the old spicy cough rolled in into town. The universe is ironic. Oh, and then the federal government porkbarrel disaster funding to marginal areas that might vote for them in the upcoming federal election and almost entirely stiffed areas that never vote for them, you know, because we are all one big family and we don’t leave anybody behind and all that bullshit.
The bushfire recovery funding gave a small pot of money for ecological research, some nice blue-sky stuff that we never would have gotten afterwards, and which was important to know. They didn’t renew it the next year, of course.
32:00 Devon doing his very best to corral this herd of cats, but it's with novelty sticky hands, on the other side of a plexiglass sheet, with a time delay. Thank you for all you do, Devon.
Ah yes the campfire rule: The older or more experienced partner has the responsibility to leave the younger or less experienced partner in at least as good a state (emotionally and physically) as before the relationship.
Isn't this also girlfriend rule? The girlfriend's job is to mould a "man" for the next "woman" until they eventually reach the standard to be a husband Ultimate "Planting trees you will never sleep under" strategy ✊
1:13:50 Devon, now THERE'S an alternate history story I'd like to read! "What if the Nazis had-?" BZZZT, wrong. "What if the Caliphate of Cordoba had reached the Americas?" Now we're talking
Ok so we have established that for Roz to laugh like the Joker you have to kill a load bearing Supreme Court Justice, but to make Liam laugh like the Joker you just have to talk about the New Deal with food in your mouth. Requirements for November to Joker laugh are yet to be determined.
This is all an elaborate distraction from the true culprit; Liam accidentally scraping parts of the West Coast with the Jewish Space Laser while on a drunken stupor
"Did the hacienda system go anywhere?" Yes, and that place is known as "California", (and I suppose much of the deep south and SW and west of the US), where most of the land was "bought" from that very system, the massive "land holdings" of the descendants of that Spanish conquistador project... and, AFAIK, there are still large portions of CA that is "owned" by the legacy of it. Oh, and also, the missions... almost all of the coastal towns and cities, and some far inland, were mission projects first... all those cities famously having Spanish names.
My dad's uncle worked for the California forest service/prison system as a guard for convict fire crews. At least according to him, most of the guys loved it - in fact it was a highly competitive position, that convicts had to earn the right to go and do through good behaviour and proving themselves capable of doing the work and finishing the training program. If you are an able bodied prisoner who likes the outdoors, it's kind of a perfect work program - low supervision, out in the woods, the food is better than normal, people actually appreciate the work you are doing, you work side by side with paid firefighters as an equal, and most of them get a real pride in doing something genuinely helpful. Plus if you are stuck in a prison cell 24/7 this is an awesome escape.
OHHH THAT FIRE! I didn't realize till the slide at 2:01:40 showed Paradise that this was the fire y'all were talking about. I was in Sacramento when this went down and I remember everyone at work calling it the Paradise Fire. I guess the town burning down and people having to flee was the bit that stuck the most in everyones mind at the time. I think the Goodwill I was working at did a thing where you could round up your change or add a dollar onto your total and they'd donate it to the victims of the fire? Knowing Goodwill though they probably only did it to get a tax write off that'd have good PR. Absolutely fucked and evil corporation masquerading as a charity... My most distinct memory of that time was having to wear an N-95 mask at the bus stop. The sky was so thick with smoke that you could look directly at the sun, a perfectly flat red circle hanging in a smoke brown sky. Felt like being on an alien planet.
Nova's tangent about how gas company people speak among themselves reminded me of the most baffling set of advertisements I've ever seen. I don't know if this is an international campaign, but at least in Sweden, Shell has been putting out ads featuring like a 4 year old kid and a text saying when that kid is an adult, "we should have finished pivoting to renewable". That's the best way I can translate the passivity of the phrasing, it's not even "we will" or "we promise to". Just that far enough in the future that they can safely bet on no one keeping track, Shell having left fossil fuels behind would be kind of neat. That's something you'd come up with and greenlight for an ad only by being exasperated with the thought of even pretending to be open to change. Just in case anyone wanted more reasons why we absolutely need to unspecified action these people with a katana.
My favourite thing about fires where I live is we still have unexploded ordnance from the civil war in some forests so you can become a very delayed casualty
I read somewhere that WW1 munitions sprinkled all over Europe, are becoming less stable over time. Wonder if that's true for loaded cannonballs. In other news: Recently, a street construction crew in my city found an unloaded cannonball...by drilling a jackhammer into it.
@@grmpEqweer"there are bombs in the woods" might go part of the way to justifying the fear of forest fires in Europe described in the episode. Kinda hard to do a controlled fire when a bomb exploding makes it rapidly uncontrolled
The guests in this podcast are always great. But Kevin is really elite. Is field of expertise is so fascinating, could listen to him knowledge dump for hours.
Devon I really appreciate the hitmarker noise. While I do watch the show here primarily, my phone is usually sitting in my pocket. That noise, and Justin saying "Next slide please," are my cues to go check the video and it's a lifesaver.
Big fan of the forestry episodes. An incredibly important ecological force and industry that so few of us know or care about. Please have Kevin or whoever back on
It's wild that you're covering this. I've been on such an extreme weather/natural disaster kick lately. Just watched a weatherbox video about this exact subject yesterday. EDIT: If you factor in anthropogenic climate change, you can view all recent natural disasters as engineered disasters.
@grmpEqweer no they have, but it doesn't involve us. That's why they want AI to work so bad. They don't want to take us poors into space with them because they know we'll mutiny in a hot second.
I get frustrated that houses in wildfire areas aren't built out of crap that won't burn. ...I get frustrated here that houses aren't built to withstand tornadoes. We usually have at least one somewhere in the county about 1-3 times a year. Little ones, so houses COULD be built to withstand them. ...Grrr.
@@grmpEqweerI will say that it’s very hard for any structure to survive a direct hit by a tornado. Also their damage path is *usually* very small. They’re lower overall risk than things like fire or flood, where it’s ‘everything in this general area is fucked’
My home province of Alberta had what must have been our worst fire season ever last year, and once again everything's bone dry and this year is shaping up to be a doozy. A natural gas pipeline explosion near the town of Hinton started a small wildfire just yesterday, fortunately some fresh snow helped the firefighters get it under control but if it had happened a few weeks later we'd be seeing towns getting evacuated once again.
My condolences for you having to live here, and commiserations about the refusal to adapt shown by our... provincial 'government' (bunch of climate-change-denying ultra-right-wing whackjobs installed by the oil companies with basically unquestionable power, and now performing Republican-style power-grabs to ensure they can veto the election of and/or override the decisions of and/or recall municipal governments that aren't of their party or do anything seen as 'environmentalist' or 'woke'). Hopefully we're not too badly on fire this year... or the year after... or any of the many, many 'hottest years on record' we're going to have in the next several decades (probably most of the years, honestly). Unfortunately, we probably will be. ...something's gotta give, someday. --a fellow Albertan.
I haven't got a chance to watch this yet because I'm at work (and will be for another 10 hours), but this is probably the most closely I've ever been affected by one of your disasters. The summer camp I went to as a child burned down in the Tubbs fire the year before, along with the homes of a bunch of friends and acquaintances. I'll probably edit this comment after I watch the video, but thanks for covering this - I've thought for a while that it would make for a great episode. It really left a huge scar on the psyche of the whole Bay Area. And of course, it left all of us with a deep hatred of PG&E. Their exectutives should go grab a power line with both hands
Different state here but feel the same for the electrical monopoly here. But the one thing that's convenient about it is the name Evergy. Very easy to call it Effigy!
fun fact down here in SoCal we've had really shitty fires, but right over the border in Baja they do not have it as bad despite similar biomes. they just don't have the same history of fire suppression as we do or the same types of built environment
On the urban planning front, consider how a car based evacuation is supposed to work when every subdivision has a single exit that everyone has to queue through, especially when the fire jumps the queue.
I remember watching a YT video of a guy going through his neighborhood and yep there were charred skeletons, his friends and neighbors. It was like a Fallout game, some of them were in burnt out shells of cars, some lying on the ground where they fell while trying to flee. Just awful.
ETA is now disolved and most of their bombings and assasinations were before 2000, but it was still a scary name while I was growing up. I think part of it is because a few years before I was born, a place close to where I grew up was hit. They blew up a police station. The explosion broke glass windows 500m away and was felt through a big part of the city (it's a small city but still). Sadly, most of the victims were kids since cops were out covering something else. I wasn't expecting a discussion on ETA and separatist movements in Spain in the middle of an episode about fires, but here we are.
12:38 Karl Marx Hof is the longest residential building in Europe but I think the biggest might be Falowiec (The Waveform) in Poland. It’s like 800m long but I think it’s taller than Karl Marx Hof. It’s in my hometown of Gdańsk and I was always very fond of it, although I’ve heard it’s not very pleasant to live in.
Pedantic correction incoming! For context, I am a former employee of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the federal facility that was taken over by the Bundys in 2016. (I did not work there at the time of the occupation). At 1:51:31, Kevin conflates two separate confrontations with federal law enforcement that the Bundy family was involved in. In 2014, they had an armed standoff with BLM law enforcement on public land near their own ranch in southern Nevada, intending to stop the roundup of cattle they were illegally grazing there. While no shots were fired, the BLM backed off and continue (to this day!) to allow Ammon Bundy to range his cattle on public land free of charge. Two years later, the Bundys rallied the same group of militia types to support the Hammond family, another Mormon ranch family in eastern Oregon who were having a similar conflict with the DOI over grazing rights. They occupied the Malheur NWR for about a month, until the whole thing fell apart following a shootout with law enforcement at a road block, in which a Bundy associate was shot and killed. I don't have too many stories about the occupation since I only worked there for a summer a few years later, but I did live in the same bunkhouse where most of the occupiers stayed. The whole interior had to be gutted and remade because of how badly they trashed the place- punched holes in the walls, took shits everywhere, etc.
Adding firearms to pike squares was already a thing before the military reforms that created tercios. Actually the reason the reform even happened is because the French with Swiss mercenaries clapped the Spanish in a battle during the Italian Wars using both pikes and guns.
Fire adapted pines basically the inspiration for billionaire bunkers in New Zealand. Did anyone ever crowdfund the concrete for pouring down those air vents btw?
I think one of the most damaging things of all is that in our current sociopolitical milieu, the voices of the poorest and most vulnerable people in our communities are suppressed. Think about what that means: when your entire community just burns to cinders and takes ever single material possession you own, destroys your job, totals your car, maybe Even injures you and your family members, you are rendered suddenly destitute. The news media is going to move on from it within the week, after which time you are left with nothing and your voice is muted because no media outlet will broadcast it. So not only are you unfairly set up for disasters of this nature, you are then completely abandoned with no recourse. Imagine the s*icidality, the despair, the generational poverty, the rise in substance abuse, etc that spirals outward from this and impacts the whole country. Then imagine how people talk about homeless folks as of they are a cancer or a blight... And realize that no doubt many of those people are victims of horrors like the Camp Fire and other didasters, both natural and manmade. Perhaps after reflecting on this, have more compassion for the most vulnerable people in your midst. You are one bad day away from being in exactly their situation.
In Arkansas controlled burns were just part of life. I remember seeing them and being told by relatives what they are and why they're done as a child. I haven't seen one since moving but that doesn't mean they don't do them in my current state. There's just a lot less state/fed land where I'm at now so I'm less likely to see them. I've also learned that other states do not enforce nature related laws as harshly as where I'm from. I always follow game and fish rules because back home they will fuck your shit up. Core of Engineers and State parks too. There's a lot of officers for that too, so you'll actually get checked for licenses and stuff relatively frequently. My friends here in MO didn't get it until they visited and went fishing and we got checked for licenses. They didn't want to buy one even though a 3 day was cheap at Walmart. I made them and they thanked me later lol
This wildfire happened around the same time my own house coincidentally burned down (in Sacramento, like 90mins away) and it was so fucking hard to find a long-term-stay hotel because of how many people needed them at the time.
Statistics/research methods approach: There's a way to get a control group with trans hormone treatments despite the impossibility of double blind or really even single blind studies. What you do is get a lot of people to sign up for your study--more than you can treat all at once. Then you start monitoring all of them right away. You treat them in batches, and you compare the ones that were on the wait list to the ones that had started treatment. This is called a "wait list control" study, and allows you to test a new treatment without denying it to anyone. You can also test a treatment against the established standard of care as a control, but the wait-list approach is probably the best one for trans kids, who are going to face a wait list anyway because there are not enough trained pediatric endocrinologists that specialize in trans kids. So if you monitor them before and after treatment, you can get the data that way.
Regarding NRCS, They are remarkable. I have 100 acres right next to a national forest in the PNW. I work with them to help keep our forest safer. They provide money to do this, happily. They seem grateful that a private property owner which borders national forest works with them.
As a medieval hobbyist, I spend one or two weekends a month in replica armor (see the many videos on my channel) that weighs 40lbs (18kg). If it's made to fit you, and you're used to wearing it, it's really comfortable.
Side note, convict crews are great. - gives convicts a skill after they get out reintegrate. Fire also has many adjacent and logistical jobs that are less physically taxing, so it not like you’re forcing them to kill their bodies forever. Gov will often pay for a degree too. - inmates love it because it gets them outside and doing something. This also means you can be more picky with who you bring. contractor firefighters already have sketchy enough people, convicts are literally better than them.
I paused and looked at the comments for this reason too 😄 Not with any real thought in particular, just curiousity. Glad he's continuing to figure himself out, as many of the podcast's fans are (you're all a super cool bunch, while i'm here!) And yeah the hitmarker sound, at first I didn't like it, then when it seemed to go away for ages I realised I was missing most of the Devon comments 😄
Someone else brought this up in the comments and Devon's reponse was: _Oh my god I'm so fucking stupid_ I think Devon's paying their own unblock fee today.
I'M HERE, I'M KINDA QUEER BUT NOT FULLY CONCRETE ON HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT YET, GET USED TO IT
Gotta stand up for what you probably believe in maybe.
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I am waiting for the "Oops! All Tangents!" Episode, but they treat it like a normal episode with an actual topic that they just never get around to.
A true 18 hour episode, with the subject being discussed about as much as the latrine collapse?
That's a really good idea that they should actually do
The balthazar speedboat of the problem universe
The first RLM Star Wars Holiday Special episode
When they finally do the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster
"The arc of history bends towards justice, not because of any inherent properties but because people get out there and bend it"
YEP
Right on.
Nova was so real for saying that
Honestly that's always how I've interpreted that phrase. I think if anybody understood that then MLK would have. His legacy has just been coopted so much after his death that people can pretend he was a lot more passive than he was.
Let's all be benders
Flying planes so close to the ground to fight fires is even more terrifying when you learn; as you dump the water, you have to push the sticks forward to keep the nose level, as the now lighter plane travelling at a high airspeed have a tendancy to nose up so violently it can rip the wings off.
Hate to be the first person to find that out
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That's why you play the throttle like a saxophone while keeping that yoke forward because most of the fire bombers are now converted 737 ex-cargo planes. So you at least get a lot of turbofan power.
The actual Aldo Leopold quote is
"One of the penalties of an ecological education is that one lives alone in a world of wounds."
"Mark" was definitely underselling how intense the quote is
It's very accurate.
Damn, I feel that.
I got an ecological education and agree 100%
thanks for commenting this
I feel the same about historical education.
Once again stating that I believe that Kevin should be treated as a rank name like Bosley and given to any and all guests who need to be anonymous
Because it's funny
Seconded!
Madame X sounded more badass as an anonymous name
Madame and Monsieur X.
"I'm Kevin!" "No, I'm Kevin!"
Seething Podcel: "Why aren't they talking about the engineering disaster? Why is this episode 3 hours long? This frightens and angers me."
WTYP-patricians: "I want to spend more time listening to them talking about fewer engineering disasters per hour and I'm not kidding."
I like this balance. You got the pre-text of finding out a bunch of cool / interesting things while learning about an engineering disaster that really makes the banter go down smoothly.
Too bad the guest on this one is an insufferable snob.
I want a 6 hour pod about the shortest disaster ever
@@iceman5117 thereby creating the longest disaster ever.
One of those theoretical physics problems where, as we approach zero engineering disasters, we approach an infinitely long podcast
I want to give praise to the first responders because without them I genuinely would not be alive. During the campfire we evacuated north, we waited so long to the point where as soon as we got on the main road the pet cemetery across the street was engulfed in flames. We made it up to a supermarket in magalia where we decided to seek refuge in the nearby church parking lot because they have good bathroom, we were stuck there all day because we had no gas. Later at night we attempted to leave because there was supposedly a clear route out but we and our convoy had to turn back around on the dam because the road was blocked.
Soon after that we rushed into the church building and laid on the floor breathing through blankets to avoid the smoke.
Later during the night we watched the subway across the street burn down and enjoyed the soothing sound of exploding propane tanks.
Genuinely if it wasn’t for the firefighters keeping the building clear we would have died that night, we were certain that our car would’ve blown up otherwise.
After that night, early in the morning we drove down to Chico passing by our freshly destroyed town. Mind you I was 10 at this time too.
FUCK PG&E!
Thank you guys for making a video about the disaster that changed our communities lives.
Also this is an extremely short summery there are SO many details I’m leaving out. I’d love to write a book some day but the ADHD has my ass rn
Is there anyone that you could dictate it to if that's easier? @@Lombwolf
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure it's not easy.
@@Lombwolf ADHD awareness gang rise up!
The church and the rite aid saved and helped so many
the thing I like about Liam is that he will go from ranting about how he'll kill you if you insult his mom to telling his good friend November to hydrate so she doesn't get a hangover in the very next breath
What a guy ♥️
We stan a passionate king
With all the talk of hunting Smokey the Bear, I feel the need to introduce Ember the Fox. The mascot Britsh Columbia introduced to replace Smokey and promote responsible forest management, as well as clearly being disgned by a furry
thank you
Definitely that fursuit
I googled Ember the Fox to see what it looked like, half of the image results is furry erotica...
@@Soken50god bless America 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🗽
@@Soken50 just checked it my self nah that's your search algo giving you what it thinks you want buddy
First 60 seconds: "Assume a spherical podcast of uniform density."
Hear me out: the bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Forestry
Love Liam sharing jokes from his rabbi. I always heard that joke as Elie Wiesel meeting god and telling a holocaust joke. God doesn't get it, and Elie says "you had to be there."
When my grandpa got out of the Air Force in the 50's (he had narrowly avoided being sent to Korea), he got a job doing fire bombing. Essentially all of the planes in fire fighting service in that era were converted WWII military planes of various shapes and sizes, so he got to fly a of insanely cool shit, like B25's, B26's, and even F7F Tigercats.
Eventually my grandma got pregnant with my aunt and she basically told him "I am not raising our children alone after you inevitably turn yourself into a smoking hole in a mountainside" and he pursued a much less insane career in the airlines.
10 minutes in and I just want to say that i would absolutely subscribe to "Well That's Not My Problem: A podcast about whatever else we feel like talking about at the moment"
That's just the patreon bonus episodes
Only if it doesn’t prevent banter, protect tangents at all costs
"Well That's Not My Problem: A podcast about whatever else we feel like talking about at the moment" I mean, that's what it always has been, and it's the reason I'm here.
Probably the least search-optimised fire name ever
I wonder what the best SEO disaster is. Something distinctive, unique, not also the title of any kind of movie or tv show.
It would be the GPS coordinates of where the fire originated.
@@Rubicola174strong choices, also the Hindenburg Disaster
@@loadeddice4696 The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire?
I was felt the same way kinda ironic given the size comparison
Who's complaining about the hitmarker sound? I think it's perfect. It lets me know when Devon chimes in when I have the video on my second monitor.
People with misophonia and autism spectrum disorders that have sensory processing issues. The sharp hiss of the hit marker can cause significant impacts to people. Changing to a different tone, or sound, would allow Devon to still mark the moment but not cause anxiety or discomfort for listeners with sensory differences.
@@TheRealPfhreak I did not know that. Learned something new.
Glad! I'm trying to be a voice of, "firm but educational". Many folks aren't aware, through no fault of their own!
@@TheRealPfhreak thank you for explaining it so clearly... Everytime I hear it, I think my audio has cut out for some reason. I've grown to appreciate it but it was jarring at first not having known what it was from initially.
@@TheRealPfhreakI appreciate your perspective, I also have autism and audio processing issues, just different ones apparently - it has never bothered me but I will redrum anyone I can hear eating in a video so I can relate. As long as the sound doesn't change to something other people (me, alright? I mean me 😅) struggle with in turn I think it would be nice to change it.
I was ten miles done the road from this. I woke up for school and headed out for the local community college annex. It was a nice day but way up the ridge there was this little column of smoke rising up. No big deal, we get fires all the time. So about an hour later I'm in class and we are all told we need to go home right now. We all head out of the building and it is now the last days of Pompeii. The sky is pitch black, ash is raining down. The school was right on the evacuation route and we were right next to the Walmart which was now an evacuation center. The road is packed with cars. There were pickups filled with terrified looking people...just totally unreal. No knew what was happening and I was scared out of my mind. I took me four hours to make what usually was a ten minute trip to get home. Once there it was time to start packing because we didn't know where that fire was going. Then we waited for the evac notice. That never came fortunately.
The disaster just kinda went on for a while. There is the fire and the dead but afterwards its just this slow quiet disaster. People are scattered to the wind, moving to where they can. Chico, Oroville and the surrounding towns really couldn't take everyone in. Prices went up, homelessness went up. Walmart still had tents around it for what seemed months till the city forced them to leave. Place still feel kinda messed up. Kinda sucks that the only thing people really remember out it are Jewish space laser jokes.
Thanks for doing the video. Can you do Oroville dam almost breaking next?
I was far enough to not have to worry about the flames, but still close enough that everybody was told to stay inside and keep all windows closed to try and keep the smoke out...
I live fairly near boulder, CO, and a couple of years ago, we had a fire that came down the ridge of the mountains nearest to us.
"Last days of pompeii" is absolutely correct. I was like 5-10 miles away and it was kinda haunting and eerie even at that distance. I can only imagine what it'd be like if you were *in* it.
i worked the shelter in Orland for this and the dam as well. Ridiculous how poor the response was and the political shitshow around it was a whole other can of worms.
Survivor of a similar fire disaster, and it was utter and complete *_hell_* ! Like op, our community will never be the same, so many people just fled and never returned. It's been years and so, so many people still are living in camp trailers.
Hey, I'm from Humboldt, we have a fairly large population of refugees from Paradise here.
My favorite "Mexico is the greatest nation on earth" flex, specially for November, is that they never recognized the Franco regime. Never. From 1939 all the way until the release of Star Wars in 1977, the Second Spanish Republic remained the only recognized government of Spain, in the eyes of Mexico.
A weird trivia fact: remember when Tommy Smith and John Carlos did a black power salute in the Mexico City Olympics? And the guy that the IOC sent to make sure Hitler wasn't antisemitic got SUPER MAD because unlike the Nazi salute (which he liked), it was "nOt a NaTiOnAl SaLuTe?" Guess what! The last government of Spain recognized in Mexico City, at that time (1968) was the Second Spanish Republic. And what was the customary military salute in the last years of the Second Spanish Republic? That's right, the raised fist.* It was a national salute all along! Fuck you, Avery Brundage!
*That's where it comes from. That's how it became the Black Power salute: because a lot of the people who were antifascist enough to go fight in Spain came home and were pretty damn anti-racist.
They executed a hereditary monarch (a Hapsburg?) when he tried to become the king of Mexico, I believe. Based.
I anticipate with pleasing expectation the Well There's Your Problem toxic polycule house
The video essay breaking it down in 5 years' time is gonna be fire
Alice, Alice's girlfriends, and Justin and Liam (they're just there)
@@AbsolXGuardian *Nova
@@maybemablemaples2144 FUCK
Can confirm, this episode is a top tier example of what it's like sitting around a campfire with your friends drunk.
50:45 A former Australian Prime Minister once said "we could not possibly have destroyed the topsoil of this continent better if we had deliberately set out to do it"
I used to live south of the Camp fire, and recent transplants would complain about the smoke from the trees. And I would remind them, "And smoke from the electronics. And the vehicles. And the people, don't forget you are breathing those in as well."
The taste of burnt people in the air...
@@grmpEqweer
Something uniquely mentally sticky about that thought.
I acquired it when first learning in-depth about the Pearl Harbor Attack.
I respect restraint to not call the second news item "Britan Trainsphobic"
Transportphobic
Even with the downgrade of HS2. Britain still has a lot of trains so I wouldn’t call them scared of trains. The poor trans community though is thoroughly screwed over
@@MrJimheerenbritain has a lot of trans people too and yet its pretty damn transphobic
@@MrJimheeren oh no we are totally transphobic too, the treasury would get rid of the trains in an instant if given half a chance as a 'cost saving measure'
@@tobyriding3231 vote Labour, Starmer might be boring, he’s fairly competent in everything he ever did
Soil scientist here. Can confirm, lots of shit in the dirt. If you knew how much anthrax was in it, you'd never leave the house.
Can I eat it?
Idk personally, that just makes going outside a little more metal :D
like... legit, how much? And how site-dependent is this?
@@theprojectproject01 The soil surface is the most biodiverse place on the planet. A teaspoon of the stuff can easily contain trillions of organisms, and they all tend to have mechanisms to survive hostile environments by going inactive. You can assume everything is everywhere at all times and you'll generally not be far removed from reality.
@@derpallardie ... I need a shower.
I love when Devon chimes in via the editing.
knowing that Devon is on the right side of space is also a great blast of psyco-dopamine.
@@Dong_Harvey Yes! That too!
Devon is our special secret 4th host ✨️
dear WTYP: i love the podcast and mean no disrespect to devon's wonderful editing work when i say i would kill for the unedited full length recordings once in a while. i listen to the pod while i clean & do hobbies, and i adore the longer episodes especially. thank you for another banger & all the time, research, coordination, and emotional labor it takes to deal with these disasters in factual and empathetic terms. you're all gems. ❤
Agreed, I miss the Justin editing days for the light touch editing and free for all tangents. Plus, no one listens to this podcast for the host’s conciseness so what’s the need to remove anything beyond dead air breaks?
I think this has gotta be one of my favorite WTYP episodes ever
Kevin woke up today and chose violence and I'm here for it
To your credit, November, as a bear, I do wear a .308 rated plate carrier for work
i like that Nova and Liam argue in the opening so that i can remember November's nickname is Nova and thats cool
A couple times on KJB Abi has called her "Vem" and honestly I'm disappointed in my parents for giving me a name that doesn't have two nicknames that cool built in to it
@@TrashHeapCustodian I knew a girl with the name Raven and she said her parents chose Raven because they thought it would be a cool name. They were right lol.
@@TrashHeapCustodian 3 if you count Ember which is apt this week.
Wait, November Kelly and now Nova?! Leave some cool names for the rest of us!
I was in Chico when the camp fire started. When I saw the pillar of smoke at first I was like “damn that a weird ass cloud.” It was until I was waiting for one of my classes to start, when a giant piece of ash landed smack in the middle of my phone screen when I was like “oh shit that’s not good.” While the school waited until almost the end of the day to suspend classes, and even longer to cancel classes the following, they thankfully did, and I got my ass out of there. While I was totally fine and was not in any serious danger myself, I still saw the fire on top of a ridge on my way out. That shit was scary
Also I don’t think they mentioned it, but most people who got payouts had to fight for YEARS to get them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they still are tbh. And it’s also almost impossible to get fire insurance in California now if you live in a remotely fire prone area. The insurance companies will just tell you no.
I cannot tell you how maddening it is to live in a state I love so much, and just refuses to hold PG&E accountable in ANY way.
I was in Stockton. That hideous color! And the smell, like a dirty wood fire. Got to the point where you didn’t want to breathe outside very quickly. It was clear something was wrong long before it hit the news.
Hey Devon, I'm fine with the hitmarker sound. If I'm just listening to the podcast while working with dangerous chemicals, it is soft enough to make me look at the screen and read what you're writing. Thank you.
^ This, minus the dangerous chemicals.
The hitmarker is great, I don’t want to miss Devon’s comments!
Sometimes when I catch a silent one, I feel like I've found an easter egg 😂
A sound is useful, but the specific sound chosen is an accessibility issue for some people with autism spectrum disorders or misophonia.
It would be great to have a lower, rounder sound to mark out Devon's comments.
@@TheRealPfhreak I’m a live audio engineer and it triggers me because it sounds like someone unplugging their instrument cable without muting or other connection issue resulting in a pop. I jump or cringe every time.
When Devon is finally broken before the halfway point-*chef’s kiss*
The late Mike Davis wrote my favorite essay titled "The Case for Letting Malibu Burn" which recapitulates this episode through a deeper dive into Southern California and wildfire.
I had a summer job on a Fish &Wildlife Service fire crew. According to the old hands who trained us, it isn't a fire triangle, but a fire SQUARE.
Heat, fuel, oxygen, and overtime. Take away one, and the fire goes out.
wow i love camping! can't wait to see an entire episode about camping. time to take a big sip of coffee and click on this video
Can confirm. ND has got six trees. Their names are Petunia, Archibald, Isaac, Old Hickory, Sam, and Isabelle.
Our 3 trees in Kansas can beat up your 6 trees.
Old Hickory? Canceled.
I mean, there's at least a dozen in Medora, that may have been the number for the rest of the state though.
I was always under the impression that ND had a State Tree(TM). It was the only one in the state, and when the farmer whose yard it was in got tired of it and cut it down (this is actually illegal, as the State Tree(TM) is protected, but that law is never really enforced), a new tree had to be planted elsewhere at once
@@ebnertra0004 Yeah, it's right here in Bismarck. I have been assigned to protect it. I nearly killed it by peeing on it once. Yes I am a cat. To the left is my Official Tree Guard ID photo. I shall dutifully protect that tree with 8 of my lives. The 9th I'm saving for retirement.
it'd be so funny and on brand if nova is legally allowed to fly a plane but not drive a car
What's really weird about Neom is that they did start groundwork and excavations along the full length of the line. You can see it on aerial Maps. Now they commit to just 1%?
That's hilarious
Tbf its the same shit I do when building sandcastles, start out with a grand plan and in the end just build 1% of it.
I HAVE IMPORTANT TREE DETAILS!!!!!!
Douglas fir, once mature, is actually an extremely fire tolerant species. Young interior douglas fir are susceptible to fire in the context of these western forests, but further northwest they grow amongst other trees that are not fire tolerant even when mature. Because of this they become massive veterans in forests of hemlock and spruce that do burn each fire cycle. He's not wrong, but dont count out my boy Dougie in the fire tolerance game!
I live in Sydney, during the Black summer bushfires in 2019 and 2020, the amount of particles you were inhaling just walking down. The street was insane. And the closest fire to me was probably 20 or more kilometres away. But a couple of the fires merged and I believe the latest estimation is that it burnt the equivalent size of Bulgaria. Ironically people were talking about how to get their hands on facemasks, and two months later what would you know, the old spicy cough rolled in into town. The universe is ironic. Oh, and then the federal government porkbarrel disaster funding to marginal areas that might vote for them in the upcoming federal election and almost entirely stiffed areas that never vote for them, you know, because we are all one big family and we don’t leave anybody behind and all that bullshit.
The bushfire recovery funding gave a small pot of money for ecological research, some nice blue-sky stuff that we never would have gotten afterwards, and which was important to know. They didn’t renew it the next year, of course.
I have previously created an “I hate Smokey the bear” sticker for my friend who very much understands how fires are important.
“You have to masticate and do hand stuff”
Flashbacks to middle school health class.
32:00 Devon doing his very best to corral this herd of cats, but it's with novelty sticky hands, on the other side of a plexiglass sheet, with a time delay. Thank you for all you do, Devon.
Ah yes the campfire rule: The older or more experienced partner has the responsibility to leave the younger or less experienced partner in at least as good a state (emotionally and physically) as before the relationship.
Isn't this also girlfriend rule?
The girlfriend's job is to mould a "man" for the next "woman" until they eventually reach the standard to be a husband
Ultimate "Planting trees you will never sleep under" strategy ✊
1:13:50 Devon, now THERE'S an alternate history story I'd like to read!
"What if the Nazis had-?" BZZZT, wrong.
"What if the Caliphate of Cordoba had reached the Americas?" Now we're talking
A PROPER 3 hr episode
In the words of Liam. O I'm pointy
Is 3:05:16 _really_ a 3-hour pod, or are they just padding for that youtube ad cost break?
Hell yeah! I know some people like the shorter episodes that stick to the script, but I love the longer WTYP episodes
I was promised 4:30 though
I remember when the local podcaster was 'ard and dropped three hour episodes weekly.
Ok so we have established that for Roz to laugh like the Joker you have to kill a load bearing Supreme Court Justice, but to make Liam laugh like the Joker you just have to talk about the New Deal with food in your mouth. Requirements for November to Joker laugh are yet to be determined.
I fucking love the phrase “load bearing Supreme Court Justice”
This is all an elaborate distraction from the true culprit; Liam accidentally scraping parts of the West Coast with the Jewish Space Laser while on a drunken stupor
"Did the hacienda system go anywhere?" Yes, and that place is known as "California", (and I suppose much of the deep south and SW and west of the US), where most of the land was "bought" from that very system, the massive "land holdings" of the descendants of that Spanish conquistador project... and, AFAIK, there are still large portions of CA that is "owned" by the legacy of it. Oh, and also, the missions... almost all of the coastal towns and cities, and some far inland, were mission projects first... all those cities famously having Spanish names.
My dad's uncle worked for the California forest service/prison system as a guard for convict fire crews. At least according to him, most of the guys loved it - in fact it was a highly competitive position, that convicts had to earn the right to go and do through good behaviour and proving themselves capable of doing the work and finishing the training program. If you are an able bodied prisoner who likes the outdoors, it's kind of a perfect work program - low supervision, out in the woods, the food is better than normal, people actually appreciate the work you are doing, you work side by side with paid firefighters as an equal, and most of them get a real pride in doing something genuinely helpful. Plus if you are stuck in a prison cell 24/7 this is an awesome escape.
OHHH THAT FIRE! I didn't realize till the slide at 2:01:40 showed Paradise that this was the fire y'all were talking about. I was in Sacramento when this went down and I remember everyone at work calling it the Paradise Fire. I guess the town burning down and people having to flee was the bit that stuck the most in everyones mind at the time. I think the Goodwill I was working at did a thing where you could round up your change or add a dollar onto your total and they'd donate it to the victims of the fire? Knowing Goodwill though they probably only did it to get a tax write off that'd have good PR. Absolutely fucked and evil corporation masquerading as a charity...
My most distinct memory of that time was having to wear an N-95 mask at the bus stop. The sky was so thick with smoke that you could look directly at the sun, a perfectly flat red circle hanging in a smoke brown sky. Felt like being on an alien planet.
Absolutely distraught that Devon removed multiple tangents from this episode, Give us the Tapes! Directors Cut!
GIVE US THE LIAM CUT
Needs it's own episode, whoops, all tangents
#ReleaseTheLiamCut
@@ubermenschen01 I want to hear all the threats!
Liam has an artistry with them, and I would like to appreciate them from a respectful distance!
Nova's tangent about how gas company people speak among themselves reminded me of the most baffling set of advertisements I've ever seen. I don't know if this is an international campaign, but at least in Sweden, Shell has been putting out ads featuring like a 4 year old kid and a text saying when that kid is an adult, "we should have finished pivoting to renewable". That's the best way I can translate the passivity of the phrasing, it's not even "we will" or "we promise to". Just that far enough in the future that they can safely bet on no one keeping track, Shell having left fossil fuels behind would be kind of neat.
That's something you'd come up with and greenlight for an ad only by being exasperated with the thought of even pretending to be open to change. Just in case anyone wanted more reasons why we absolutely need to unspecified action these people with a katana.
Trough full of slop, slurping ensues
wet ass podcast
..."The Line" was always the city-planning equivalent of confiscating your elderly parent's car-keys (and possibly their wallet as well).
That logger from Kevin's story must have been 90% nicotine by mass.
By the time Safety Third was over, Nova was 90% alcohol by volume.
It gets progressively funnier every time the guest brings the podcast back on topic, and it was pretty funny the first time, lol
My favourite thing about fires where I live is we still have unexploded ordnance from the civil war in some forests so you can become a very delayed casualty
I read somewhere that WW1 munitions sprinkled all over Europe, are becoming less stable over time.
Wonder if that's true for loaded cannonballs.
In other news: Recently, a street construction crew in my city found an unloaded cannonball...by drilling a jackhammer into it.
@@grmpEqweer"there are bombs in the woods" might go part of the way to justifying the fear of forest fires in Europe described in the episode. Kinda hard to do a controlled fire when a bomb exploding makes it rapidly uncontrolled
every now and then some old timey confederate soldier gets a little +1 notification popup in the loser section of hell
MY HOUSE BURNED DOWN AND I EXPERIENCED LIFE LONG TRAUMA FROM THIS, I CANT BELIEVE YOU MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS RAHHHHHHH
New favorite hypothetical job title: Conservation Door Gunner.
The guests in this podcast are always great. But Kevin is really elite.
Is field of expertise is so fascinating, could listen to him knowledge dump for hours.
he could probably talk about something he has no knowledge of and I would still listen to him chat for hours. he is very engaging!!
He was annoying tho. “Oh I don’t have time for games, I’m writing a book.” Bragging is not an endearing trait.
And the way he talks about his alcohol was stuck up. I want more guests who are down to earth, not obnoxious elitists
Devon I really appreciate the hitmarker noise. While I do watch the show here primarily, my phone is usually sitting in my pocket. That noise, and Justin saying "Next slide please," are my cues to go check the video and it's a lifesaver.
Big fan of the forestry episodes. An incredibly important ecological force and industry that so few of us know or care about. Please have Kevin or whoever back on
oh boy we get to talk about my home state's horrible annual tradition
It's wild that you're covering this. I've been on such an extreme weather/natural disaster kick lately. Just watched a weatherbox video about this exact subject yesterday. EDIT: If you factor in anthropogenic climate change, you can view all recent natural disasters as engineered disasters.
Remember, climate change is mostly brought to you by rich people, who run the world, but can't seem to plan for the future effectively.
@grmpEqweer no they have, but it doesn't involve us. That's why they want AI to work so bad. They don't want to take us poors into space with them because they know we'll mutiny in a hot second.
Dip Santa: He's packin' his lip, chewin' it twice...
Fun fact. About 25% of California's housing stock is built directly along wildfire paths.
So yeah. It's going to be a rough century for Californians.
I get frustrated that houses in wildfire areas aren't built out of crap that won't burn.
...I get frustrated here that houses aren't built to withstand tornadoes.
We usually have at least one somewhere in the county about 1-3 times a year. Little ones, so houses COULD be built to withstand them.
...Grrr.
Damn, maybe the forest service SHOULD be assigned to HUD then
@@grmpEqweerUnfortunately houses that don't burn are houses that fall over easily in earthquakes.
@@grmpEqweerI will say that it’s very hard for any structure to survive a direct hit by a tornado. Also their damage path is *usually* very small. They’re lower overall risk than things like fire or flood, where it’s ‘everything in this general area is fucked’
@@AbsolXGuardian build a house out of a geode, those fuckers eat earthquakes without getting their internal cavities disrupted all the time
Liam a ultranationalist for Earth is a Helldiver
Also the Emperor in 40k lol
Liam drinking that Libertea.
Fuck yes, a 3 hour episode 4 hours before I go to work.
When the Patreon ad doesn’t hit until almost two hours in, you know it’s an all timer of an episode
My home province of Alberta had what must have been our worst fire season ever last year, and once again everything's bone dry and this year is shaping up to be a doozy. A natural gas pipeline explosion near the town of Hinton started a small wildfire just yesterday, fortunately some fresh snow helped the firefighters get it under control but if it had happened a few weeks later we'd be seeing towns getting evacuated once again.
My condolences for you having to live here, and commiserations about the refusal to adapt shown by our... provincial 'government' (bunch of climate-change-denying ultra-right-wing whackjobs installed by the oil companies with basically unquestionable power, and now performing Republican-style power-grabs to ensure they can veto the election of and/or override the decisions of and/or recall municipal governments that aren't of their party or do anything seen as 'environmentalist' or 'woke'). Hopefully we're not too badly on fire this year... or the year after... or any of the many, many 'hottest years on record' we're going to have in the next several decades (probably most of the years, honestly). Unfortunately, we probably will be.
...something's gotta give, someday. --a fellow Albertan.
I haven't got a chance to watch this yet because I'm at work (and will be for another 10 hours), but this is probably the most closely I've ever been affected by one of your disasters. The summer camp I went to as a child burned down in the Tubbs fire the year before, along with the homes of a bunch of friends and acquaintances. I'll probably edit this comment after I watch the video, but thanks for covering this - I've thought for a while that it would make for a great episode. It really left a huge scar on the psyche of the whole Bay Area. And of course, it left all of us with a deep hatred of PG&E. Their exectutives should go grab a power line with both hands
Different state here but feel the same for the electrical monopoly here.
But the one thing that's convenient about it is the name Evergy. Very easy to call it Effigy!
fun fact down here in SoCal we've had really shitty fires, but right over the border in Baja they do not have it as bad despite similar biomes. they just don't have the same history of fire suppression as we do or the same types of built environment
On the urban planning front, consider how a car based evacuation is supposed to work when every subdivision has a single exit that everyone has to queue through, especially when the fire jumps the queue.
Clearly the only solution is to add more lanes
I remember watching a YT video of a guy going through his neighborhood and yep there were charred skeletons, his friends and neighbors. It was like a Fallout game, some of them were in burnt out shells of cars, some lying on the ground where they fell while trying to flee. Just awful.
7:00 I'm with November, Devon, and Kevin. I refuse to drink a beer more bitter than I am.
Ever tried Arrogant Bastard?
Brewmasters have not yet succeeded in achieving that for me
I agree with your statement but I drink strong IPAs...
@@aft3rbrn3r You have my condolences.
Have you tried Arrogant Bastard
ETA is now disolved and most of their bombings and assasinations were before 2000, but it was still a scary name while I was growing up. I think part of it is because a few years before I was born, a place close to where I grew up was hit. They blew up a police station. The explosion broke glass windows 500m away and was felt through a big part of the city (it's a small city but still). Sadly, most of the victims were kids since cops were out covering something else. I wasn't expecting a discussion on ETA and separatist movements in Spain in the middle of an episode about fires, but here we are.
12:38 Karl Marx Hof is the longest residential building in Europe but I think the biggest might be Falowiec (The Waveform) in Poland. It’s like 800m long but I think it’s taller than Karl Marx Hof. It’s in my hometown of Gdańsk and I was always very fond of it, although I’ve heard it’s not very pleasant to live in.
Pedantic correction incoming! For context, I am a former employee of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the federal facility that was taken over by the Bundys in 2016. (I did not work there at the time of the occupation).
At 1:51:31, Kevin conflates two separate confrontations with federal law enforcement that the Bundy family was involved in. In 2014, they had an armed standoff with BLM law enforcement on public land near their own ranch in southern Nevada, intending to stop the roundup of cattle they were illegally grazing there. While no shots were fired, the BLM backed off and continue (to this day!) to allow Ammon Bundy to range his cattle on public land free of charge.
Two years later, the Bundys rallied the same group of militia types to support the Hammond family, another Mormon ranch family in eastern Oregon who were having a similar conflict with the DOI over grazing rights. They occupied the Malheur NWR for about a month, until the whole thing fell apart following a shootout with law enforcement at a road block, in which a Bundy associate was shot and killed.
I don't have too many stories about the occupation since I only worked there for a summer a few years later, but I did live in the same bunkhouse where most of the occupiers stayed. The whole interior had to be gutted and remade because of how badly they trashed the place- punched holes in the walls, took shits everywhere, etc.
Oh boy its time to sing the camp fire song
Adding firearms to pike squares was already a thing before the military reforms that created tercios. Actually the reason the reform even happened is because the French with Swiss mercenaries clapped the Spanish in a battle during the Italian Wars using both pikes and guns.
I feel like a purple Pikmin, I am ready for fire awareness
wake up babe, new cataclysmic horror just dropped
My uncle lived in Paradise and barely made it out. Driving on roads with fire on both sides close
Devon was more 'vocal' than usual Today and I am HERE FOR IT!
I'd like to once again thank Devon for their service [salutes solemnly].
We really need to get Devon, like, squirt-bottle drones to keep our beloved podcasters on track, for their own sanity if nothing else.
Disagree, the episode lengths would be cut in half or more if they stayed on track, and goes against the entire brand of this pod.
I like this idea only because it will surely backfire, as each spritz brings our beloved podcasters even further off track.
Ooo, an extra five minutes added to every tangent to complain about the squirt bottle drones
1:43:05 "so this is called a 'helitorch.' This is one way to light - " "I'm sorry - what? OH LOOK AT IT!!!"
Fire adapted pines basically the inspiration for billionaire bunkers in New Zealand. Did anyone ever crowdfund the concrete for pouring down those air vents btw?
I think one of the most damaging things of all is that in our current sociopolitical milieu, the voices of the poorest and most vulnerable people in our communities are suppressed. Think about what that means: when your entire community just burns to cinders and takes ever single material possession you own, destroys your job, totals your car, maybe Even injures you and your family members, you are rendered suddenly destitute. The news media is going to move on from it within the week, after which time you are left with nothing and your voice is muted because no media outlet will broadcast it. So not only are you unfairly set up for disasters of this nature, you are then completely abandoned with no recourse. Imagine the s*icidality, the despair, the generational poverty, the rise in substance abuse, etc that spirals outward from this and impacts the whole country. Then imagine how people talk about homeless folks as of they are a cancer or a blight... And realize that no doubt many of those people are victims of horrors like the Camp Fire and other didasters, both natural and manmade.
Perhaps after reflecting on this, have more compassion for the most vulnerable people in your midst. You are one bad day away from being in exactly their situation.
Devon, I sincerely love you and all your work,
please never change because there is no up.
In Arkansas controlled burns were just part of life. I remember seeing them and being told by relatives what they are and why they're done as a child. I haven't seen one since moving but that doesn't mean they don't do them in my current state. There's just a lot less state/fed land where I'm at now so I'm less likely to see them.
I've also learned that other states do not enforce nature related laws as harshly as where I'm from. I always follow game and fish rules because back home they will fuck your shit up. Core of Engineers and State parks too. There's a lot of officers for that too, so you'll actually get checked for licenses and stuff relatively frequently. My friends here in MO didn't get it until they visited and went fishing and we got checked for licenses. They didn't want to buy one even though a 3 day was cheap at Walmart. I made them and they thanked me later lol
This wildfire happened around the same time my own house coincidentally burned down (in Sacramento, like 90mins away) and it was so fucking hard to find a long-term-stay hotel because of how many people needed them at the time.
Statistics/research methods approach: There's a way to get a control group with trans hormone treatments despite the impossibility of double blind or really even single blind studies. What you do is get a lot of people to sign up for your study--more than you can treat all at once. Then you start monitoring all of them right away. You treat them in batches, and you compare the ones that were on the wait list to the ones that had started treatment. This is called a "wait list control" study, and allows you to test a new treatment without denying it to anyone. You can also test a treatment against the established standard of care as a control, but the wait-list approach is probably the best one for trans kids, who are going to face a wait list anyway because there are not enough trained pediatric endocrinologists that specialize in trans kids. So if you monitor them before and after treatment, you can get the data that way.
Regarding NRCS, They are remarkable. I have 100 acres right next to a national forest in the PNW. I work with them to help keep our forest safer. They provide money to do this, happily. They seem grateful that a private property owner which borders national forest works with them.
As a medieval hobbyist, I spend one or two weekends a month in replica armor (see the many videos on my channel) that weighs 40lbs (18kg). If it's made to fit you, and you're used to wearing it, it's really comfortable.
I'm complaining about Devon's noise just so it can be the WhatsApp sound.
Nooooo 🤣
Yeeeaaahhh 😂
Gonna get so triggered next episode
Also, would like to petition for it to be the AIM startup noise
petition to make the noise a grindr ping instead
Side note, convict crews are great.
- gives convicts a skill after they get out reintegrate. Fire also has many adjacent and logistical jobs that are less physically taxing, so it not like you’re forcing them to kill their bodies forever. Gov will often pay for a degree too.
- inmates love it because it gets them outside and doing something. This also means you can be more picky with who you bring.
contractor firefighters already have sketchy enough people, convicts are literally better than them.
DEVON CHANGED PRONOUNS 😳
What's the time stamp? I missed it.
Edit: found it.
I saw that! Is this how Devon tells us?!
🚨GENDER ALERT🚨
I paused and looked at the comments for this reason too 😄 Not with any real thought in particular, just curiousity. Glad he's continuing to figure himself out, as many of the podcast's fans are (you're all a super cool bunch, while i'm here!)
And yeah the hitmarker sound, at first I didn't like it, then when it seemed to go away for ages I realised I was missing most of the Devon comments 😄
Someone else brought this up in the comments and Devon's reponse was: _Oh my god I'm so fucking stupid_
I think Devon's paying their own unblock fee today.