Nunn's Immortal Game
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Viswanathan Anand vs John Nunn
Hoogovens (1990), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 2, Jan-13
Spanish Game: Marshall Attack. Re3 variation (C89)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. ed5 Nd5 10. Ne5 Ne5 11. Re5 c6 12. Bd5 cd5 13. d4 Bd6 14. Re3 Qh4 15. h3 g5 16. b3 f5 17. Qf3 Bb7 18. Re6 Rae8 19. Re8 Re8 20. Kf1 g4 21. Qf5 gh3 22. Qh3 Qh3 23. gh3 Bc8 24. Be3 Bh3 25. Ke2 Bg4 26. Kd3 Bf5 27. Ke2 Bg4 28. Kd3 Bf5 29. Ke2 Rc8 30. f3 Kf7 31. Bd2 h5 32. c4 Re8 33. Kf2 Bd3 34. Be3 h4 35. f4 dc4 36. bc4 bc4 37. Nd2 Rb8 38. Kf3 c3 39. Ne4 Bb4 40. Rd1 Be4 41. Ke4 c2
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Back in late 1967 as a 21 year old I played in a match for the Wimbledon Chess Club in the Thames Valley League. We played away against the Kingston Chess Club. Much to my initial chagrin I found that my opponent was a 12 year old. I soon discovered that he was an exceptionally strong 12 year old as he completely outplayed me and won the game quite easily. His name was John Nunn so I was not at all surprised by his later hugely successful chess career.
Ouch! Playing a legend before anyone knew he was a legend. Great story though.
@@lawdogwales5921 Ouch! describes exactly how I felt during and immediately after the game. Sadly, I do not think that I have the score of the game. But I do remember that I played the Scilian against his opening e4 and that he played an early c4, and that I was quite unable to stop him quickly seizing control of the centre and of the game. I was rated around 1600 at the time and achieved my peak rating of 2120 in 1973 when I stopped playing competative chess.
@@lawdogwales5921 Two years after my game with John Nunn whilst I was an undergraduate at the London School of Economics I played in a match in the London League for the LSE Chess Team ( Economicals ) and found myself playing a teenager called Michael Steyn who later became a Grandmaster. At the time I had already heard of him and knew him to be a strong player so was not at all confident of a good result. Once again I had the Black pieces and the game progressed rapidly through a well known opening where I took every opportunity to exchange pieces whilst keeping a balanced position, This continued until we reached a rook and pawn ending which whilst equal in material was not ( in my view ) positionally good for me. I was not looking forward at all to having to defend a difficult R & P endgame when he surprised me by offering a draw which I immediately and gratefully accepted!
@@leonardharris9930 You can't hope for more than a draw against a much stronger player.
Great story.
Happy Birthday John, such a classy player, and thanks Antonio for the fine explanation and tribute. Also good to know John is very active and still bossing it in the senior league
I met Nunn at the Hamburg Wichern Open in 19970r 1998. He stayed with me. That was the norm back then - the foreign grandmasters found accommodation with the family of a member of a Hamburg chess club. To save hotel costs. At that time I had an ELO of only 1980 and 5 points from 7 games (an amazing amount). With 6 points I could have snagged a prize for the best non-titled out of the 9 rounds. He just advised me not to play for a draw - but to play "all or nothing". I did it. Lost in Round 8 but won in Round 9 against Häikonnen-a GM. I didn't care about the prize money I won. I had a tournament rating of 2290 and had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Nunn. A very imaginative GM - who could have gone much further - had he only been focused on chess. BTW-His result was 6,5 of 9-but is wasn`t enough for a price.
A quick note: Hoogovens is the Dutch steel company sponsoring the tournament. The tournament itself was held in Wijk aan Zee.
Also quick note: Tata Steel bought the company that owned Hoogevens, so now the event is called Tata Steel Chess
I knew it was weird Tata Steel ran such an old, prestigious tournament that dates to British India. It makes sense they bought out the actual original sponsor.
Tata Steel was founded in 1907. Hoogovens Tournament was started in 1938. So, it is not that weird if purely talking in terms of time.
I love your historically interesting accurate annecodotes & current news of players. Nunn is a genuinely nice guy too. He gave Murray Chandler & I a lift back to London from a tournament he probably won. It was an incredible time for English chess with Grandmasters popping up like roses from the the baron land of no GMs just a decade previously.
He may have been a grandmaster of chess, but you discovered the tomb of Tutankhamun!
"... You're still going to get checkmated, and it's not like your life, your quality of life, has improved in any way." 😂 Savage.
8:53 Now that is a fully operational bishop pair.
Happy Birthday Mr Nunn, wonderful player.
Excellent commentary of the final conclusion, sir. "Every move white makes ends up in some sort of brutal checkmate. Now on to my next point."
A brilliant display of how to exploit a slight tactical weakness. Very instructive
IMO a thing that needs to be incorporated into engines is taking into account how many lines there are that lead to 0.0. There's a difference between when only one move keeps you in the game and when there are 10 moves that you can make and still not lose.
What a great idea!
This already exist. Stockfish can show 5 different lines for each position with the respective evaluation.
@@ilijavxx Not the same
"Does not have a move for the last 15 moves" - I totally know the feeling :)
Thank you Agadmator for showing this wonderful game, and a very happy birthday to Mr John Dennis Martin Nun 🍾♟️
This game will be shown as long as there are libraries and bars. ^___^ Thank you for bringing us this masterpiece!
I'd have been happier if this video came out an year later
Alexander: What were my odds of surviving this attack?
John: Nunn!
Love this
I've never forgotten this game since I first saw it in Informant. Nunn went on to author at least one book on the King's Indian Defense that was very popular.
A wholesome, yet interesting (almost miniature) immortal by the British grandmaster Nunn!
"pretty much every line ends in some sort of a brutal checkmate"
That's the good stuff.
John Nunn was the second of Nigel Short (his good friend) in the 1993 world championship PCA match against Gary Kasparov. An incredible chess duo.
Happy Birthday Doctor! From one of your Oxford Maths pupils :)
That was like watching John Nunn drive a silver spike through the heart of Dracula!
One of my favorite games, and in Seirawan's "Winning Chess Brilliancies" Awesome! 😎
Agadmator makes it sound like the opening moves up to about move 14 are all very standard, but I looked up this game in Nunn's book Secrets of Grandmaster Play and he explains at great length the novel thinking that went into the plan of ...Nd7 and ...c5.
Man, what an incredible bishop pair! I dream of making my bishops fully operational like that.
Sometimes chess can be like boxing. But at least in boxing the ref would step in to stop the fight after several unanswered blows, but not so in chess. You have to take blow after blow as did the hapless Mr. Beliavsky, and in the end you finish punch drunk. We've all been there.
Happy birthday, Dr Nunn!
Talk about playing with one's food.
Only agadmator coukd get me to know Joh n Nunn, thats why you re the best, you go the extra length to increase our vast knowledge, sharing with friends at the bar and the library, hope to see you at the bar so i can pay you a Karlovačko’s!!!!
I have one of Nunn's books and I agree that he is a very good chess writer and instructor.
Thanks for hipping us to Nunn!
I would’ve waited one more year for the video for his special bday
"No he will obliterate you." When presented with GM competition, I exercise the most efficient move in chess. I resign.
Few days ago I wanted to ask for more Nunn’s games. Perfect. Happy Birthday to John. :)
Dr John Nunn was and is one of the most important figures in English chess. Just to add Magnus Carlsen said about Dr Nunn "I am convinced the reason the Englishman John Nunn never became world champion is that he is too clever for that. ..He has so incredibly much in his head. Simply too much. His enormous powers of understanding and his constant thirst for knowledge distracted him from chess."
In later years he has developed an interest in astronomy.
Oh shit. I think I went a similar path, but my distraction starts earlier, so I achieve less. Besides that, I'm also not on Nunns level, even as a Mensa member (one of the more stupid individuals there).
Nice to know I share my birthday with such a great guy
0:15: "... the tournament was won by I Dont Wanna Trick You Guys So Let Me Just Check Real Quickly". I keep hearing about this "I Dont Wanna Trick You Guys" fella - who is he? Sounds like he won helluva lot tournaments. Must be a very strong player! :)
Great game! Although some consider the opening to be boring as it leads to same-ish positions every time.
John was having Nunn of that attack by Beliavsky.
I have a recommendation for a series: Best games of the Kasparov-Karpov rivalry. That is the greatest rivalry in chess history, and an examination of their brilliant games and contrasting styles is certainly worthy of such attention.
Thanks for the continued great work!
Very good idea.
Thanks from the ABC’s of Chess For Kids team!
One interesting idea for how to make engine evaluations more useful and more human is to maybe attach a percentage to each move, a likelihood that a human will find that particular winning tactic.
I was waiting for this match when you posted John Nunn vs Vishy Anand game! And went to check this player and found he had played a game where he won against Beliavsky in 1985 and people have considered the game as his immortal game!! I also noticed that April 25th (which is today) is his birthday, he turns 68 this year! 🙂
I've noticed the phenomenon described at the end in multiple games. The best move for an intermediate player is different than the best move for an expert player, because the intermediate player will not be able to figure out all the follow-up moves that makes the expert's best move great. Essentially grandmasters are intermediate players and the engines are expert players now.
If anything This game has shown me the importance of castling your king. Whites king stood no chance when the knights started causing trouble
John really liked the bishop pair
9:15 Honestly, my first thought was to try Nef4 making more space for the king.
P.S. Somehow there's Viswanathan Anand vs John Nunn in the description instead of Beliavsky vs Nunn
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[Event "02, Wijk aan Zee"]
[Site "02, Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "1985.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Alexander Beliavsky"]
[Black "John Nunn"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "54"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 O-O 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Qd2
c5 8.d5 Ne5 9.h3 Nh5 10.Bf2 f5 11.exf5 Rxf5 12.g4 Rxf3 13.gxh5
Qf8 14.Ne4 Bh6 15.Qc2 Qf4 16.Ne2 Rxf2 17.Nxf2 Nf3+ 18.Kd1 Qh4
19.Nd3 Bf5 20.Nec1 Nd2 21.hxg6 hxg6 22.Bg2 Nxc4 23.Qf2 Ne3+
24.Ke2 Qc4 25.Bf3 Rf8 26.Rg1 Nc2 27.Kd1 Bxd3 0-1
Nice, elaborate analysis! 👍
Technically, an engine like that is not difficult to create. Just a lengthy data analysis using Baye's Theorem
A current engine could give this sort of evaluation with an analysis of imperfect moves and the depth at which they become imperfect. This can give a 'tree tightness' for both players, telling you how many moves from the ones selected by the neural network (so discarding the really stupid moves) are okay for each side. When one side has three valid options and the other side has only one response for each one, this should be given as a +3x advantage. This can be done with modern engines because they prune by neural network, so they discard the ridiculous moves at an early stage, before doing the depth-search.
Happy birthday, John Nunn!
Perhaps some of Bent Larsen´s best games against the Soviets.
Lovely chill video on the rest day in WCC, thanks agad :)
Great point from Anish.
Nothing more to be done I would’ve resigned many moves ago no way was White getting out from the crunch Black had him in Great Game Much Thanks
68 years old, nice-ish
The English masters have a lot of goofy, fun ganes
Fascinating observation! starting at 12:44
Squeezed him like a boa constrictor.
Beautiful game! Thanks!
Happy Birthday Immortal! :)
Did you say he could be cheeky about it.🤣🤣 👌 cheeky
#suggestion Would be great with more bot games. Not way too many but it would be fun to see a few again.
Brilliant.
"It's not as if your quality of life has improved or anything" :¬D
😂😂"It's notlike your quality of life has improved"
If recapturing a pawn is a beautiful move, I am an artist😂
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't what Antonio talked about at the end about engines already available on Lichess? Whenever I've gone into the 'Analysis' section, I've seen the percentage breakup of white wins, draws, and black wins. Isn't that what Giri was talking about?
beautiful and brutal (paradox of chess)
Anand in the description? Amazing game tho
I think even if I played it against an International Master, he or she would obliterate me.
Does seem to be the crucial mistake not taking the Black Rook with the Knight as he went after the Queen with knight instead the beginning of the end
hxg6 was pure sadism, lol.
At 9:39 if QxN, BxQ, KxB white has R and 2N's for Blacks Q and 2 pawns. I feel that white is losing anyway, this equalizes the material, creates an unbalanced position, and takes some of the immediate attacking pieces away from black.
Make a playlist of immortal games...
Great game
Really immortal ❤
6:13 you say he has a knight and a rook for the queen but wouldn’t it be two knights and a rook for the queen since Nunn had already sacrificed a knight for the attack ?
It's very painful to look at this position, poor white pieces wondering around trying to survive but nothing could save them 😕
Game starts at 3:14
Agad ur discription About this game is Wrong it's discription of Previous video in discription box
Just a heads up, wrong game in the description
When will we see Agadmators book: "10.000 Immortal games" ?
What actor is it that John Nunn is reminding me of?
#Suggestion -- anything from Wolfgang Unzicker -- the "world champion of amateurs". His peak rating of 2545 would have been in the Top 20 or 25 in 1985. Pretty impressive considering that ratings rise over the years.
Ehh, I like the honest evaluations of the engines that are indiscriminative. However, I do disagree with the engines being under the impression that the pieces should be given points. That was the upper hand Alphazero had over Stockfish 8, look up the reason why they gave that name to Alphazero. Alphazero's goal was to just win. Maybe too ambitious, if the game is either a draw or loss. However, its goal was to win. A very important concept it was given. Thus positioning was how it evaluated every game. With stockfish, it would give black the upper hand simply out of "material advantage", for just trading a bishop for a rook, with no immediate compensation for white. But as we remember how Tal to this day out calculated Stockfish 15, and found a forced mate, for white, when black had pass pawns, and up many points in material. The way Stockfish was built was a mistake. However convincing it may be, there is so much more to chess that we have to learn in every game. The new engine should be given a better philosophy so to speak. Anyways with these new quantum computers they are coming out with, who knows how strong the new engines will become. It's not only exciting that we will have "better" engines, but it's exciting that they could easily enlighten even the odd players or even congratulate them for the "strange" moves. At the end of the day, I still believe we humans are better and are more intelligent than the engines, but we burden ourselves with silly emotions, from bad experiences and we lead ourselves into a hole of dogmatic theory "inspired" by naïve ambitions and demoralizations.
The PGN is for Nunn's game against Anand, not this immortal.
When are you going to do Anand's run for the world championship?
Thanks agad!!
Alex roozmon
Yes there are checkmates and then there are brutal checkmates.
Game starts at 3:17
For the story: check 0:00
You should write a book!!
The game record written in the summary section is different from the video
crazy game
Fun Fact: John Nunn was circumcised in his 20's due to his foreskin being infected by a gerbil. Whilst qualifying for the Gibraltar Open.
Hey Agadmator when are you adding to what sorcery is this?
মাং গে গে মাং
#suggestion Satty Zhuldyz Blitz, Erigaisi vs Yifan
Is John the biological twin of Nate Hartley (wade) in the movie drill bit taylor?
He was having nunn of it
2nd to Nunn! :p