DTurbo Stage 1 Tune up! Peugeot, Citroen, 306, 205, ZX, Xantia!
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2020
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In this video, I show you how to get some more power from your Bosch VE pump powered 1.9 Turbo diesel engine, sometimes (poorly) referred to as a stage 1 on a Dturbo!
Darren Lobb knows his stuff more than me, his guides are below:
• 306 D Turbo Stage 1 tu...
• 306 D Turbo Stage 1 tu...
But I have been asked still to do a video and had this 205 in for a tune up, hope you likey!
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Fantastic stuff many thanks I might be able to get my old motorhome to hold its own on those long gradients on the motorways, very excited boost gauge ordered.
Yup, little tweak will make a big difference! Just watch out for temperature 🌡️
This is epic man
It was fun to do. Always love tuning up a totally stock motor. Such potential.
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T25 does work most the time on top smoke screw but it is actually a t27 👍🏻 great helpful guide explaining how simple adjustments make a massive difference on standard tune 👍🏻
Yeah realised that after 🙈 thanks for watching and commenting 👍🐷💪😁
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No problem 😉 been a subscriber many years 😁 keep up the great content 👌🏻
Awww fanx... Apologies for boring your life for the past few years 🙈😂
Really good video James really interesting tbh and if someone was starting out tuning there car it would be very helpful
Thanks! Interesting even for those who don't know/have never had one I think... Good reference for teaching modern young sprogs how it used to be done before laptops! 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting 😁🐷💪
@@PiggyPower that's what it all was about mate Manuel pump trying to push a little more power out of them
Love the broomstick😂
Factory spec broom stick 👌
Thanks for the explanation
You're welcome
So helpful Piggy THANK YOU! If you ever have cause to replace the head gasket in an XUD9TE could you please do a detailed video...Piggyplease!
Done so a few times but not videos it so much. Did the xud11 on a timelapse. Full build under Racetractor playlist.
It's quite a simple thing. Time engine. Remove cambelt. Remove fuel lines. Undo manifolds. Lift head off. The issue you will have is finding an engineer to skim the head correctly as the precups are a much harder metal than the head.
Great one, always loved to tune 1.9 dturbo for mine customers that love to drive with some more gas on, great results and reactions from them... Unfortunately never owned one myself, looking for buying iz when I was younger (306 or Xsara) but got Xsara VTS xu10j4rs insted 😂... That swap in 205 always sounded thempting tho 😁🙈 might as well do one day, with fmic and bigger turbo to make some head scratches with old 205 on freeway 😂
Yeah, even I was surprised how well it went to be fair, such a high mile engine, she responded really nicely. I fancy a 2.0 HDi 205 one day....one day.
Thanks for watching and commenting... 👍🐷💪
Even 1.6 HDI won't be bad choice, lighter engine with potential for 200 bhp easy... Well dreaming iš always alowed 😂🙈
No, not a bad idea at all tbh. 👍
1.6 16v HDI is very tuneable, and one from 206 110hp seems like easy fit, if you add newer 6speed gearbox from newer 8v hdis you get really god combo, and front mounted turbo is easy accessable for any needed intake mods
I know! Don't worry...we know!!! 😉👌
In reunion Island we love td engine too, your Channel is awesome 😁 (sorry for Bad english 😂)
English was fine! Ace to hear from a different country!!! Are they fitted to different cars/boats??
@@PiggyPower No we didn't tune boats, we like peugeot/citroen turbo diesel cars like you and the 1.9tdi engine from vag :D my brother had a zx 1.9td and his car was faster than : a subaru, a mini Cooper jcw... Etc, I know a dude with a zx 1.9td too, he win a drag race with a mustang 😂 I think that his "modification" was head pump, a bigger turbo (td04l), a modificated Gear box, forged intercooler etc...
@@PiggyPower We can also see 205 with 1.9tdi engine ans it's freaking powerful 😂
Sounds fun place to be!!! Thanks for watching! Please subscribe and share this channel in your country! 👌🐷💪
@@PiggyPower No problem dude 💪🏼💨
I see your videos for some years now I have a 306 with this engine, I've been waiting for tips like these for a long time will there be more videos on this engine?
There can be... What you need?! 👍😁🐷💪
@@PiggyPower Some good preparation.
What is the purpose for this car?
Some good preparation? I don't understand?
The car is fulfilling its purpose for the customer 👌🐷💪
@@PiggyPower
Ok didn't know
But it is what matters
it's a good engine with a lot of potential
@@PiggyPower I've been looking for something with a 1.9 xud lump for a while do you have any for sale or know of any for sale? They seem to be getting hard to find now.
Great vid. “Boosted” my confidence I can get my Citroen TD 2.5 to shift better. So slow, but it’s seriously heavy. Have you ever tuned one?
Oohhhh yeah, beasty heavy engine... But they often run semi ECU stuff...so bit tricky...
Piggy Power No ECU. 1992. Ancient, agricultural technology.
Nice....get it wound up!!!
YES
Yes indeedy! Say yes to subscribing and hitting that bell thingy that everyone barks on about and I dunno what it does 🙈👍🐷💪
Hi there, great video. I have just bought a 1994 peugoet 405 1.9td a retro daily. That being said I do have access to a rolling road I will be putting it on for a base line and the doing exactly what you've done here, free power, why not???
My question is, is the top mount interwarmer the only thing preventing you from pushing this engine a little bit further? Thanks.
Again great videos very entertaining and a very useful guide!
Personal preference is that I wouldn't push it further with the top mount.
Next limit is the turbo.
The Bosch pump, with modifications, can feed -200bhp.
Rods are a weak factor.
PS... Access to a rolling road 😍 location? Lol
@@PiggyPower it already has a Bosch pump and I can fab up a nice Tig welded exhaust and intercooler setup, I wouldn't want 200hp its still a daily. I'm working on a V8 mx5 for real excitement haha oh im Salisbury/Dorset way.
Bhp isn't a limiting factor for a daily surely 😉
@@PiggyPower no of course not!!!! Reliability is ha
Hey! new to this, so i have a few questions. How similar is this engine to the one that came on the 98 Vitara? Some Googling shows me that they are the same engine. Are there any major differences between them? Is the Vitara engine also so tunable?
Vitara engine very tuneable... Iirc they have a tiny turbo though, so that's your restriction 👍👍🐷
Great video, although there is one small thing that is bugging me. Darren Lobb said that you don't want any more than 18 PSI boost, and you're saying that you want about 20 - 22 PSI boost. So, i'm confused now, what is the maximum boost that you can put through this engine (stock) before it blows up? 😂
Darren's video is a looooong time ago. Anything above stock is taking a risk. But ask Darren today and... He'd say the same. Loads of people run these at much higher psi for many many years.
Hello, great video mate, I was just wondering If you know the part number for the pump and where to get them. Also I cant seem to find the garret. What's the difference in performance between the turbos
No difference in turbos tbh. Part numbers vary. You just need a fully mechanical (not semi ECU) Bosch ve pump for a 1.9 xud engine. You'll want the lines and injectors too.
@@PiggyPower where can you find them. It's so hard
@@bunderzdelengerz getting rare. Owners clubs and eBay is where it's at
Really helpful guide, I have a 1994 306 1.9xrdt does this model come with a Bosch pump and a Garrett turbo? 🤞
Life the bonnet and find out👍😁🐷💪
As for adjustment on the wheel inside? Is it literally two clicks mate ? Counter clockwise looking at the engine ?
Depends on what youre doing ... Adjust to suit you 👍🐷
0-60 mph in approx 7.5 seconds after doing some minor adjustments. Impressive!
Yeah, lots more in it, fmic next and can wind it up. . . So light these 205s.
Piggy Power Indeed! Add much more power and it will be giving various GTI badged contemporaries a run for their money!
It would surprise a few no doubt, however, I wouldn't want to be in it while doing high speeds. 🙈
@@Biggles These engines were de tuned, the 306 Turbo diesels would have gave the counter part XSI a right old run for its money. Plus with these been a light fucker and good handling, it will raise hell.
@@PiggyPower Stop been a fuckin fanny :P A car like that at high speeds is a laugh!
Piggy, The Dturbo i had, some one had played with it. When i used to put the car in reverse, and lift off the clutch, with out touching the throttle, so it would role on idle, but for some reason it would just climb revs and pick up speed in reverse with out you even touching the throttle. It caught me well of guard and i hit a fuckin post with the car, i had the car only 3 weeks if that, at the time. I had to clutch control it in reverse after that.
Bad driver 😛
I recently bought whats labeled a 405 1.9 td but the turbo does not seem to be active and i cant find it in the engine compartiment, how can i find it
You can't find the turbo? Have you looked at where the exhaust manifold is?
Hello mate, I know that lucas pump is trash, but previous owner rebuilt it 3 thousand miles ago, so I want to stay on it. I wonder how can i tune my engine. It’s pretty rare xud7t with fabric turbo. I’m planning to fit in a front intercooler, but what else can I do? Fit a bigger turbo, increase the fuel? Cheers!
Simple stg1 tune. Then rip it out and fit a 1.9dt with a Bosch and wonder why you had not already done it years ago 🤪
Xud9 on suzuki samurai. The turbo is opened at maximum, i can t screw more the fuel because i can t keep the idle down, is at the maximum. The boost is 0.3 maximum 0.5 bar... turbo is KKK, can you give me some advice?
Adjust the pump idle speed so you can add more fuel
Friend wats the boost your running now? I just bought a ZX td and its a really nice car but i wanna make a stage 1 to
Watch the whole video... I do cover it
I've got the HDI engine. Are there "easy" tune to that? Im getting kinda bored not having some more power in my little 306. So far i've just got a cold air intake, which i heard was a useless mod. Oh well, at least it sounds good.
Nice video :)
Yeah .. sack off that intake... It will be working as a warm air intake and killing power... Unless it's fully enclosed... At which point, keep the standard system which can support 180bhp.
A simple stg1 remap can be done without any modifications...
Where in the country are you? I can do the maps or can reccomdend the nearest person I trust for you 👍😃🐷💪
@@PiggyPower Well i live in Denmark, so i guess thats a problem
Ahhh. Get yourself mpps!
@@PiggyPower Do you know one thats worth getting, and what site to buy it from. I was maybe buying it off of Wish, but i would like to get it this year.
eBay. They are all copies unless you pay £1000! So accept the risks of a non genuine version.
Hiya, really like the vid! I have a peugeot 205 with a 1.8 Diesel engine(xud7 i believe?), is it possible to turbo it?
If so is it just the turbo+manifold I need? Any advice much appreciated :)
You will find you'd need a lot more things and then you'd still have the wrong compression and a weaker engine not designed for boost. Likely easier to buy a xud9t lump and drop it in complete 💪
Hello. Just watched your video and subscribed. How fast it is the old Turbo D with minor tweaks. It could battle with GTI counterpart. I love old diesel and used to have 2 BX TURBO D back in the days. Now I have a punto D 1.9 with Lucas Epic. I'm doing a TD engine swap but I want to fit Bosch Ve pump from 1.9 TD. It the firing order different? Wondering if the stock fuel pipes will work. Thanks for the video, very helpful.
You'll want the pump and lines and injectors as they run at different pressures. A stg1 1.9xud turbo will certainly hang with the GTi. They werent that powerful really.
@@PiggyPower Unfortunately the Fiat didn't make Bosch application for these kind of engines (NA, TD) so there aren't Bosch fuel lines. I can use injectors from older 1.9TD 1929cc into 1910cc engine. I can use Lucas fuel pump from TD 100 but it's not all mechanical (it does have some electrical things).
@@fabriziopandolfi1857 just modify a Bosch ve to fit
@@PiggyPower what do you mean by modify it? To fit fuel pipes from Lucas?
Yes but also to fit the Bosch ve
Hey, I love your videos I was just wondering will there be more videos on this engine (p.s I have lucas pump it's a 1997 peugeot 306 and I'm not sure what turbo is on it has anyone any advice for me please and thanks
Hi there .. thanks for watching and commenting... not really sure what you are asking? There might be more videos on this engine, there are few others on the channel already. 👍🐷💪
@@PiggyPower hi yes just on how to install a from Mount and where to get a good one
@@lostsheep1616 a "good one" will be custom made, probably set you back more than the car is worth. Most of us just measure the gap and then eBay one. Each car is different as to routing and position and customer preference and target power...so a one guide for all just doesn't really work.
Hey will this work with a 1994 405 1.9td engine. First time playing around with a diesel project car.
Yes! It will work great! 405 is so light for its size too so it responds great to a little tune up. ☺️🐷💪
Unfortunately like my 1996 306, many 1.9 D turbo engines later came with a Lucas pump paired with a KKK 14 turbo, the Lucas pump is less easy to tune and less reliable than the Bosch.
Hence my instructions to chuck it and fit a Bosch. 👌
@@PiggyPower Ah, ah,ah, thx bro, Bosch pumps are hard to find these days, i will try to tune my Lucas first, one day, i know it's hard but possible, hope you will release a video for that "fantastic" pump one day.😊
I released a video couple years ago on converting to a Bosch from Lucas. Darren's video I link to in the description of mine covers Lucas. But ...just find one and switch. People do have them still, just ask on the Facebook pages 👍
My 405 have a 1.8TD that is basically the same u think that I should try do it?
Note: I have a sport air filter and a REMUS exhaust
Yup, wind it up! They aren't quite as strong as these...but they'll take a little tune!
Blew up today
He made a really bad knock knock joke and proceeded to leave and left a really big white smoke cloud behind, I already buy a 1.9td to put it on tomorrow that’s why I’m watching this again😂😂
I'm thinking about buying one of these 69k miles, but it's 29 years old. Would it be reliable enough as a daily driver?
That depends how it's been treated for the last 29years and 69k miles!
Can you fit Bosch VE pump's on DW10 engines?
Yes. Need different injectors and lines though. And different camplate...few other bits. But yes they do. I can't see much benefit mind
@@PiggyPower It probably hasn't been done yet. Along time ago somebody took the DW10 engine out of his 806 and put an XUD9TE in it. He did have to make new engine mounts and modify the wiring loom bit other than that worked very well. XUD9's in are simply the best engines Peugeot ever built.
They are great for running simply... They just need one wire to run! And less that if you removed the stop solenoid!
People have done it quite a lot to be honest...
But there are so many advantages to the HDi now...that it's not worth it.
They don't boil themselves when tuned or run hard... They make power without getting dirty, just a remap... I find they blow holes in their blocks rarely compared to the xud too!
The only reason I'd go back to an XUD is to run veg oil!
Will this pass a UK MOT like that? Or do I need a friendly garage?
Hi there George... Pass like "that"... How do you mean?
@@PiggyPower with that much visible smoke, does she go through an MOT? I'd be worried about "excessive smoke from turbocharged engine".
Nah it's fine. It's an old diesel engine. The smoke hasn't really changed much anyway.
If at all concerned, most just wind in the throttle stop or wind out the max fuel for the test. Takes 10seconds to do.
@@PiggyPower Perfect! I really didn't think of that! Thanks!
Just wind the fuel back down one turn before MOT ?
did you add the turbo or does it come with the 205 diesel?
The 205 came with a 1.8(1.7)TD xud but this one has had the later, larger and stronger 1.9td xud fitted
@@PiggyPower great, i'm from argentina and the most common version is the 205 gld, do you think I could add a turbo to it?
You can add a turbo to any engine ...but I wouldn't to the n/a 1.8d.
Getting rid of my 206cc and found a Xantia 1.9SD, with the smaller turbo, 75 hp. I hope to get 100 out of it at least
Nice! Smaller turbo? Sure it's not N/A?
@@PiggyPower yeah its the low spec turbo engine. Its called the 1.9 SD. The naturally aspirated one is the 1.9D.
I actually drove the latter one and its not slow at all. 80 on the highway easily at low rpm
Since then fell in love with the Xantia. But never came across a good one until now.
@@PiggyPower the naturally aspirated one has 71 HP, this one has 75, and 135 NM of torque, while the NA has only 121 NMs.
I hope it has the Bosch pump
I knew they did this lower bhp version but had only ever seen it in the Suzuki's! All the best 👍 in the Suzuki's, you can just switch the turbo and then wind in the fuel!
@@PiggyPower definitly will do that haha.
Thanks for your amazing content, as always
So, witch factory turbos get you more Power? The Garret or the KKK? I have also heard that the 405 or 605 Intercoolers are a bit thicker, would that get you anything?
Effort to find, buy and fit a different top mount ..just fit a front mount. The later gt15 is a little more efficient and better low down... But truly, again, the effort to switch one, not worth it. 👍
@@PiggyPower well, i got a BX Break and here in Swizzerland everything that is not factory must be Authorized, wich costs a lot of money, and if i say a lot i mean A LOT, i can Get away whit other Parts witch were factory equipped on other PSA Cars though, so a bigger intercooler would be a big help, i already have a Catless Downpipe installed from an earlier Model Turned up the Pump and am Running about 1.1-1.2 Bar of Boost at the moment, would like to maybe get a tiny bit more out of it and seeing as i know a guy in France who owns a Junkyard i coud get some factory components like the Intercooler out of a Peugeot or something, and a Turbo out of a different model.
@@PiggyPower theoretically i would have to get a complete Check of the car(if the Brakes, Suspension, Steering and so on are good enough for it), a Dyno test, and an emissions test if i go 10% over the factory output.
First step, give it a proper tune!! They run about 1-1.1bar of boost from the factory!!! Wind that sucker up!!
Get some air into that top mounted intercooler.
Can you fit a later 1.9 TD engine from another PSA engine? Give you a better lump to work with.
@@PiggyPower i have the very late 1994 BX, it already is the 19 D Turbo not the 17, so it already has the 1.9, i haven't really touched the Turbo, because i have heard that the Stock Intercoolers were only good for about 1.3 after getting to inefficient, also wasn't all that sure if my Boostgauge is showing right, showed 0.9 with the Stock tune. That's why i didn't want to push it to much.
I have a 306 1.9d NoTurbo is there any way to tune it up just a little bit??
Yes. Will it make a difference...not really .. need more air to burn more fuel... No turbo to add more air!!
Thanks man keep up the good work
Is it possible to get a popcorn limiter on these engines, because I had a straight d xsara that had it and wasn't mapped in it, any ways on how to do this?
You can't popcorn limit a mechanical pump. Doing so on an HDi is possible with a map but pretty brutal to the valve train and usually breaks stuff
Also...you won't have had a popcorn limiter on a straight (non turbo diesel) 1.9 xud or dw8
@@PiggyPower it had something when you hit 4 and half thousand revs it would smoke and popcorn but I did my own egr delete
Sounds broken.
@@PiggyPower must have because i have the videos of it still
and how to boost an XUD9 engine?
It's already boosted. (got a turbo)
Had the tune done. I believe it has 90 hp. The short 5th gear is the only downside though , and no boost compensator. The SD is the D with a Turbo. But it pulls nicely.
Any ideas on the 5th gear? I have been looking for the ratios but cannot find anything about it
Hi there. Well done! They made the shorter 5th I expect due to the lower power from factory. Sounds like a n/a box almost. Replacing the box is probably the easiest thing to do, finding a turbo diesel box and putting that in.
@@PiggyPowerThanks m8! I am afraid of squeezing out more because it is basically the Naturally aspirated engine with a tiny turbo. It doesn't have piston cooling nozzles like the TD i read somewhere.
it actually is the na box. Even at 75 hp it has plenty of torque for a taller gear but i believe they didn't bother with it back then. I will look into it. The issue is the sphere is on the box and i don't want to mess with the hydropneumatic system.
A 5th gear swap isn't that hard wither i have read but finding the correct ratio is a pain. I will look i to it, thanks m8
@Alex Janssens sorry to jump on so late but how did you go about tuning? Went tk do mine, na xud, bosch pump, but can't even locate a fuel screw?
@@r333ceh mine has a low pressure turbo, so opened it completely, probably no more than 0.5 bars i believe, and opened the fuel screw on the Lucas pump, but as he said, they are rubbish, it started to squeal, probably because of the bio diesel in the fuel nowadays.
gonna get a bosh pump soon with turbo membrane which will be more efficient. as for the fuel screw idk where it is on the bosch, i think it is on the outside.. but all it will do on a naturally aspirated engine is more smoke, maybe a little more power but not much.
@@r333ceh those NA engines are slow but really good on mileage. i think you can do over 1100kms on a full tank with those
New vidéo ! How to 200hp !! And no hard loading boost 😁😉✌
ARPs, forged rods and a VNT, 10mm head on the bosch. Done.
Hi, any way at all I could get a chat with you by message? I have a recently converted 205 1.9 TD here with an issue...
Message the Piggypower FB page 👌🐷💪
How much power do you think it's running with that tune?
120/125 maybe. . . Hard to say... But I could say 150... Won't mean anything... It's how it drives that matters 😁
Thanks for commenting and watching 👍🐷💪
@@PiggyPower hello buddy just wanted to know if the 1.8td 205 is similar and does the 1.8 make just about as much power as the 1.9
@@mynamejeff2759 yes and definitely no
@@PiggyPower how much power do you think it will make with the 1.8 turbo d and will it hold up I’m getting my 205 in a few days
Can this be done on a Lucas pump?
It can .. you unbolt the Lucas pump.... Place it carefully in a bin..
Then fit a Bosch pump 🤪👍😂
@@PiggyPower hahahaha, well i will have to do the conversion then one day hahaha
@@PiggyPower finnaly found a little company in France where they sell these for 500 euros. Gonna do the conversion this summer, and fit a taller 5th gear
@@WorivpuqloDMogh fit a taller 5th?
@@PiggyPower longer 5th gear i meant. Probably will put a TD box in it. It has the naturally aspirated gearbox
Not applicable to my engine but an
enjoyable watch.
Thanks! What engine do you have?
@@PiggyPower I think it’s the euro 4 - RHR or RHK type, 120 hdi. The mechanical pump on that DTurbo looks massive compared to the high pressure pump on my Scudo.
@@noskills9577 remap time! Simple remap give you many bhps! I can provide this service. Your pump is just a pump though... It doesn't draw its own fuel, doesn't regulator the pressure, doesn't regulate fuel duration, doesn't take throttle input and boost input, needs loads of sensors and an ECU to run it... So when you consider size differences... You may want to take all that into consideration!
@@PiggyPower true, a lot of function in one item I suppose. Allegedly my heap has had a remap but I’m not convinced. Need to sort intercooler (and now brakes 🙄) then I’ll play with it a bit. Roughly what area you work in?
Cotswolds
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only does smoke....doing a lot of smoke is burned fuel that is bad for the injections....i need to do 50/50 boost of turbo and fuel....
Nothing bad for the injectors. 50/50 boost/fuel I'm not sure what you mean by that? A little smoke at wide open throttle will always occur before optimum performance for the engine...and actually keep it cooler if tuned right 👍🐷💪
Is it not illegal to turn that screw out to alllow more fuel I’m pretty sure it’s illegal it’s the governor ?
if you could quote the law that this breaks I would be interested to read it. Perhaps site the country you live in also
@@PiggyPower I’m in the uk no just asking because you are fuelling the car more I’m pretty sure the clip you took off is on the governor if you are caught with it removed you can be fined I’m not sure maybe you would know
@@PiggyPower just trying to get info my 205 will be here next week don’t want to get in shit that’s all
fined? For doing what?? Its perfectly legal to modify your vehicle in the UK.
@@PiggyPower apparently, you cannot change the governor and the settings
fit on it vnt turbo. 😂
That would be no longer a stage1 😉