Panther VS T-34-85 | T-34 Movie Scene | Armour Piercing Simulation
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- This simulation shows the T-34 movie bridge fight scene where the 7.5cm PzGr. 39 APCBC with hardened steel body was fired from a German Panther tank at a range of 0.1km, targeting the front hull of a Soviet T-34-85 tank.
T-34 is a Russian war film that narrates the life of Nikolay Ivushkin, a tank commander who gets captured by the Nazis.
The bridge fight scene shows the German Panther tank targets the front hull of the T-34-85 at a range less than 100 meters. In an ideal situation this hit would cut the driver into pieces as seen in the simulation.
But in reality, factory defects and malfunctions were a serious problem in any army. Especially for the Germans late in the war. This pounce of the PzGr. 39 could be due to a poor quality shell or not all of the powder ignited.
Nevertheless, the T-34 is a great movie to watch especially for war thunder players.
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T-34 bouncing shots for bullshit reason, very relatable
Well im surprised it wasnt the drivers hatch.. that would explain it..
The driver dead :/
Any tank bounces in Bug Tundero without any noticeable reasons.
I hate fighting against T34
Y'all just have massive skill issue, literally just shoot the turret, ANY t-34, doesn't matter the model, would instantly kill or disable it. If you're at 5.0+ you could pretty much pen the frontal armor easily. It's still just an angled 45mm, about 80mm? Anything could pen that.
bro said “nuh uh” and pulls out a whole simulation to prove the movie wrong
I also noticed that scene was wrong while watching the film. Finally found a video to prove I'm right
In the movie, the tank is angled a little, what if that little angle save the crew inside
@@extrachannelyt6528der Panther war villt 20 Meter vor ihm selbst auf 500m wäre es ein glatter durchschuss gewesen. Der Winkel reicht villt bei panzer 3 noch aus aber ab panzer 4 war schluss mit dem schutzeffekt vom Winkel
@@extrachannelyt6528 Not possible, that shell has over 200mm of penetration. It is going straight through that armor extremely easily. Assuming the track armor is at best 20mm thick, that is only 65mm of armor sloped 60 degrees and another, lets say, 30 degrees. That results in 183.85mm of armor in a best case scenario, and since tank tracks are not the same grade of steel as tank armor, and since the track armor is probably less than 20mm thick, a full penetration or heavy spalling is certainly possible.
in the movie, this shot should kill the machinegunner or at max the loader behind him, thanfully both seats were unoccupied.
The shell has almost 200 mm of penetration and HE filler. It would've definitely destroyed the tank and killed the crew.
@@AlexVanDerNugget APHE does not work IRL like it does in WT.
@@AlexVanDerNuggeteven a deflection would have caused so much spall the ammunition stored all over the interior would certainly have been detonated. At the very least everyone inside would be having a bad day and bleeding
@@AlexVanDerNugget did you watch the simulation ? the shell is NOT going to explode inside the tank , but i accept the spalling is aimed at the machinegunner and the loader behind him.
@@mr.waffentrager4400 all they can do is cope after calling the movie russian propaganda then being proven wrong in simulations
In the film the T-34 is also angled laterally, therefore considering only the frontal angle of 60° is not very correct, this should be considered, anyway still a nice simulation
I considered that also by a small rotation about the z axis. This would have been more clear from another angle.
I always wonder does speed of the object getting shot is taking into a count beacuse it also has a kinetic energy
@@SimulationPlus overall angle is closer to 70 degrees, but it would definitely kill the machine Gunner
the panther is shooting down so the angle is not as great as it seems
@@aleksandarkangrga-mikulic6537 no because it is so small compared to the velocity of a projectile that it is inconsequential, so can be ignored, 30 mph equates to 44 ft per second, the projectiles muzzel velocity is close to 3000, another 44 ft/sec constitutes just under 1.5% so for every 100 m of penatration that the projectile has, the vehicles 30 mph forward speed adda 1.5 mm, that is less than the error of the sim or real world, so it should be ignored in calculating the sim pen
892m/s Bruh the starting velocity is 935m/s and iirc the tanks are barley 20m appart.
Well actually 🥸, hmhmm panther is around 4.5~ meters long if you look at the bridge scene, you can see they are actually few 10-panthers away form each other, there fore it must be more than 45 meters which is enaugh to slow the round enaught, also ita a question what powder and how much of it was put into the shell + we dont know what shell it was. Warthunder is cool but not real. There are crappy stats in WT for balance reasons. Physics babyyyuu
@@minerkosk9786 Anything inside of 300m doesnt have any real world difference from
muzzle velocity and what it is on 300m. Tank shells arent same as bb:s shot from air rifle.
So no that 50 meters and velocity dropped theory is holding water like cheese grater.
@@minerkosk9786 Bro, who sayed i based that on WT? My source is H.Dv. 481/55 Munition für die 7,5 cm Kwk und Pak 42. And at 4 kg main charge + Beiladung, it will have 935m/s. Thats the standart, quality controll for Armor grade steel and ammonition were different.
The charge is much simpler to produce as well as cheaper. Quality controll for weight is nothing fancy unlike steel production.
@@Ghostmaxi1337 my bad I see you have a valid source, thoe still the ammunition was made poorly and the rest stands anyway my bad
@@Ghostmaxi1337 I see many wt experts in this and other chats so it's basically a PTSD for me
Even though it’s unrealistic a good bit of the time, I always really enjoyed these scenes in the movie
This would cut the whole crew into pieces , not only the driver . This is not WT , were the driver eats a whole 75mm shell . Humans are not that tuff or hard , to stop steel fragments at about 600m/s .
But the simulation looks kinda realistic , the additional 30mm track armour saved the T34 from a complete penetration .
Consider that the tracks are as slopped as the armor beneath it, and at an angle of 60°, it's effective thickness also doubles
its not in the drivers plate
Hmmm, in reality it's really hard to tell how much layered extra armour would work, since for that armour to be effective in the same way it would need to be properly welded onto the normal plates or it would just get "pushed aside" or broken apart, since tracks are linked to each other and get torn appard by much less than the force of a tank shell.
I'm no expert on the topic but from all I've read and heard - within 100m range, late WW2, even poorly manufactured armaments and Ammo could penetrate anything, be it a panther a T34 or vise versa, it didn't matter 🤷🏼♂️
Ja aber nicht bei einer 75mm Panther kanone, das wäre aus der Distanz ein glatter durchaus gewesen.
I really enjoy these. Some of the best out there.
Love to see that my argument for why this could ve realistic made it to the video
how about a shot at the commander's turret of the t-34-85
The armor analysis in War Thunder shows it goes right through the cupola, with spall taking out the commander if the commander is seated in the usual position. Fortunately, Nikolai is seated at the gunner's position because he has assumed the gunner's role in the final fight.
that coud still been lethal as debris bounces around the inside
Average german main (get scared the sh*t out and fires at a random point)
War thunder isn't real @@velvetthundr
Ah yes, yellow radio man...classic
Amazing animation , great like usual
didnt penetrate but all that spalling is still going to hurt
About half mass of projectile worth of spalling was launched inside of tank.
So in that sense it didnt matter a shit did it had partial or full penetration
Shrapnels that big will have same or even worser effect inside of steel cube when
shit is bouncing around.
dw, driver maxed out vitality and luck
this goes hard! :)
Great stuff
Nice!
Where do you get the material data for these simulations?
Russia also had massive problems with quality of steel and construction. Lets assume this was American steel from the lend-lease program then.
In 1944-1945 when was produced t-34-85 russia solve all problems with metall industry
That was in the early stages of barbarosa till 1943, keep cope that Germany lost
1:13 war thunder mentioned!!!
That sloped 45mm is doing some heavy lifting
For reals man taken into account the 60° slope for a total rating of 90mm and the high velocity cannon that could penetrate 185mm that armor was on a whole different level,
For a powerful gun with 192mm of pen, it amazes me how a T-34 driver's hatch can absorb a 75mm
The T-34's armour however was extremely brittle, making it very easy to break and shatter the steel
Simulation is unrealistic, Stalinium doesn’t spall
I became a War Thunder player because of the movie.
software simulation using?
what software do you use sir? im interested to learn
True stalinium
They forget to add one vital piece of information. That piece of track was well oiled;)
I mean technically it did exactly what happened in the movie, but the movie T-34 had no machine gunner to kill, so the spall just went into the seat, possibly reaching the turret and that's it. Plus it's probably a pain to add a hole to the tank for the rest of the movie so they just made it not leave one
that looks like a day ruiner to me but I wonder if it could resist at around 300 meters
I could not find a version of T34 that even has English subtitles
After watching Schindler's List and seeing Schindler rebelling against the NazGerms, my opinion on that bouncing scene from the T34 movie changed.
From a "personal laughing stock" to "real life Gaijin moment".
The tracks gave the t34 additional armor to pen and it payed off
Извините за этот фильм. Они не подумали.
This T34-85, from this angle, the panther D or G or A smoothly transferred its armor.
Hi I noticed in the simulation the shell seemed like it hit the t-34 as if it was facing it directly although it might be meaningless or just the camera angles pleas do let me know if the t-34s angling would have also helped it here
Hard to believe that a Panther round fired from close distance wouldn’t go right through a T-34 frontal plate and explode in the inside just for having some additional tracks laying on top of it.
Wrong angle in simulation. Commander said "направо!" - right! and tank armor made a new angle
You should do the 8.8 tiger hit side armor of M4
wrong angle i think you should try again
Unrealistic, but at least the trajectory and behaviour of the shell is kinda plausible
E se a Munição que o Panther usou for Apcr?
Look the The scene in the movie! T-34 tilted to the right corner of about 25-30 ° compared to Panther bullets
An error in that film is that the Panther ausf G is used, which does not have a visible driver's visor as shown in the film, it would be like the front of Tiger 2
Ye T-34 was BS but it was funny I laughed a lot. Fun fact about T-34s steel used in production was over-hardened so it was indeed tougher, but it was fragile. Single 37mm projectile was often enaught to crack the frontal plate and bigger calibers were also able to shoot off the front plate completely due to a poor welding.
Соглашусь с вашим мнением. Тогда эти танки делали женщины и дети. Поэтому лучшего качества ждать не приходилось.
Finally someone mentioning this, I believe your knowledge is really comprehensive in this topic.
@@user-qr3wj4yt2sBased XD, it was rather caused by the preference and need to build as much tanks as possible.
@@user-qr3wj4yt2sPretty sure they were still men making those tanks.
The problem was that those men weren't factory workers as all those former workers were in the front. This would mean that the Soviets would just pick people off of the street, slap equipment into their hands with minimal or no training and tell them to go build a tank.
@@pipopoikapelaa5468 ye lot's of the times those were "kids" or older workers speaking 60+, also another fun fact is that they didn't used Thermometers in some facilities resulting in factory cracks (great example is IS3)
Also, the t38 was angled. I had the 8 pounder hit a track on the T38-85-DT10. The 8 pounder was supposed to penetrate the T-34, but the t34 was angled and it also hit the track amour. Any where else and my T-34 would had been destroted.
Im 100% certain this simulation is wrong, theres no way that at this distance shell would bounce like that, it would go straight into crew compartment and disable the tank.
I'm wondering: how do you imagine the penetration of a projectile with a sharp tip into the combat compartment of a tank, given the fact that the armor is inclined, and is also reinforced by a caterpillar that takes away the initial energy?
WarThunder kill cam be like:
Possibly the slight angle the t34 was at could help the non pen
Even though that shell failed to pen that would still make one shit their pants.
Maybe the t34 has angled towards the panther?
fr
One word
Angle Stalinium _🗿👍_
And i realised that, tank in this movie mostly used APBC rarely used APHE or APCBC
Even the T-34 only paralyze the panther(hit the engine probably),and the commander still alive
if you think about it the panthers gun is above the t-34 front armour so the shell will be coming from up higher a little making the t-34 armour less angled from the panthers perspective
if u know what i mean
I'd like to see you put a modern APFSDS round like M829A2 or 3BM60 against a panther's front plate.
He was captured by the 👉🏻 Noss-Ess 👈🏻
чем там курят сценаристы в реальности пантера пробила бы т 34 буквально на вылет с такой дистанции, снаряд должен был пробить полностью броню пролететь сквозь боевое отделение и застрять в двиготеле 45-50=90-100мм никак бы не защетили бы это смешно.
Хрень полная, у пантеры остроголовый снаряд, он годится только против брони без наклона, либо с наклоном минимальным, а т.к на т-34 в фильме ещё и гусеница висит, то это ещё +20 мм к броне, с уклоном и все 40 мм, а это уже 110 приведенной, снаряд пантеры буквально не зацепится за броню и продавит её только энергией, но внутрь не зайдет
The fact that the movie is russian
the tank also has the driver hatch opened, he would be 100% dead
driver can get his arm out of the tank
As we say in WarThunder…
**Soviet bias.**
Да-да, под попадание в лобовую часть под прямым углом сравнивает с попаданием в фильме, где под углом не только сама броня, но и танк едет под углом, попадание по броне по итогу рассеивается сильнее из-за этого манёвра
Shooting skills issues.
Movie name???
This is bullshit this should go straight through like a hot knife on a butter considering this is so close. Whay netal hardness do you use on both shell and armor?
Even in War Thunder, you can get a yellow (penetration is possible but not likely) following the same parameters.
@@velvetthundr war thunder is also bullshit it does not have proper penetration like in real life even if it proven with simulation but this is a panther tank hitting at fucking 20m and it bounce you have to remember that panther gun is 180mm penetration and stronger than the tiger one so it should cut off like butter as said German tanks can pen t34 at range of 2000m+
угол правильный тип подобрали ?
По-сути да, но симуляция походу этого не учитывает, в любом случае мехвод бы осколков наглотался
T-34 has an angle in the movie, that angle is not simulated. Might have some effect.
The turret doesn’t fly? Seems soviet union did something that aquafresh cartel doesn’t know how to do😂😂😂
Stock round experience
The panther's long gun albeit a 75mm did as much dmg as a tiger's 88 if not more with higher velocity, it was able to penetrate 185mm of armor. Sloped at 60° the frontal armor was 45mm add the 60° bump and it's rating is equivilant to 90mm. From that distance it should have made the crew inside minced meat, but then again it's a movie and nazis are bad m'kay.
Pz4 long vs t34 at 800m
LOL, poor quality was much bigger problem for soviets than for Germans. If you bring that angle here then t-34 armor would have bad welds and poor quality metal.
Depends on the factory. Some had better metal than others
Also it would seem the simulation treats the track as a plate and not as a loose article.
In late war german quality was significantly worse
You wrong - in 1944 soviet union solve all problems with metals, but germany - not
you know I think it could be worth it for warthunder to add a bit of variation to the projectile velocity of shells and have the penetration work in a "range" rather than hard numbers. as it stands there are a lot of tanks that their armor never stops anything despite numerous historical examples of them stopping shells that in warthunder would always get through.
Sit down, there are so few long range maps already, just let the tanks that are designed for range enjoy their rare fun
@@bbruh6364 long range tanks would still work fine considering it would just mean on occasion a Sherman might bounce a panzer IV shot.
@@bbruh6364 also bruh there are tons of long range maps they only show up past BR 5.0
@@dominuslogik484 and even more city maps
@@bbruh6364 I will say that yes city maps are too common but also the variability in penetration would actually make city fights more barrable. example being that perhaps a Sherman might actually bounce off the front of a stug instead of pen.
The movie effects are amazing but farr farrr from reality isjust huge russian propaganda movie at this point like yes its good movie but really they made that t34 overpowered as fuck
Впринципе не пробил, но от осколков погибнет стрелок радист и заряжающий
Теперь терминатор 2 по полочкам разберите. Падение грузовика с моста и дальнейшее движение.
SLOBED armour!!!
В этой сцене нет притензий, угол брони и как повернëт сам танк даст такой эффект. В русских и иностраных фильмах всегда есть пропоганда!!! Всегда когда смотрите фильм не воспринимайте всë за правду, если даже скажут что всё на реальных документах.
То есть рикощет от брущатки с последующим пробитием всех устроил
This simulation is terrible
That high hardness armour was brittle and offered far less protection than standard RHA.
Infact the KwK40 75mm L/43 APCBC is well documented to be able to penetrate T-34 upper graces up to 1600m with no horizontal angle and up to 1200m with additional horizontal angle of attack. KwK40 75mm L/43 is only 740m/s muzzle velocity at 0m compared to 935m/s for Panthers 75mm.
Source:
WWII Ballistics: Armour and Gunnery
Well the additional track armour saved it . 😅
@@5co756 little added track wouldn’t be enough
@@janflorovic5880 90mm plus 30mm track are 120mm , the penetration for 30° 100m is 138mm . So this simulation is quite realistic , it still made it through .
@@5co756
The track is only 10mm thick and it’s not even RHA equivalent in protection. You do realise that Panther’s 75mm has 60-70mm of proper high quality RHA penetration at 60 degrees at that range right? This here is a T-34 with terrible quality 45mm steel + 10mm track at 60 degrees.
The simulation is bullshit
@@janflorovic5880 What's your point ? 45 +10 is 55mm and the Panther can pen up to 60 . And it was a penetration , half of the crew is probably dead . What more do you want ?
Such add on armour is pretty effective , a few mm of sheet metal stopped the Soviet 14,7mm AT rifle . Side skirts on Panthers and Pz4's for example , even the Germans put tracks on their actual armour .
You forgot to add an additional armor: plot
Ну вы же знаете ,что все люди любят преувеличивать.
Просто смешно, пантеры шили их в лоб на изи, не говоря уже о ис 2
A esta distancia a granada do panther teria penetrado facilmente
Bro this simulation is not good, shell looks like invincible
Bro steel is made out of steel. Not rubber.
@@Cristian88. are you stupid, the shell is also made out of steel.
@@Cristian88. are you stupid shell is made out of steel too
@@Cristian88. armor is steel shell is steel too
Not accurate for warthunder. T-34 driver hatch is protected by stalin himself. Germans wouldve been better off using a certain speedy 4-wheeler spaghetti express (you WT players know which one im talking about)
deflected but obliterated.
Russian Bias doesn't exist 🗣.
#мультики_про_танки
When 10 King Tiger stay there they cant pen T-34 and T-34 would kill all 10 King Tiger in a row. Russian Movies 😂😂😂😂
do you even realize how shit the king tiger is, its flawed by multiple mechanical problems lmfao
It has the same problems as the heavy Soviet and American tanks, that is, the engine does not last long if it is too worn @@P8WM
@@Userwygk But at least they could mass produce them lmfao
А если без шуток то советские танкисты сила и это не смешно. Колобанов к примеру или прочитайте о подвиге т 70 который уничтожил несколько пантер.
But these are panthers😐
The best thing is that German Tank always need 1 Minute to load the ammo and Russian and American Tanks shoot 10 times in a Minute.
huh?? what is your logic here??
Movie logic:
Lol?
Not each tank is a sturmtiger mate, German tanks have normal reload speeds.
*HIT*
😹
Xd głupoty. Pantera bez problemu dziurawiła przedni pancerz t34 85
Seen the movie and hate it...
Sadly the Movie you buy or rent comes with the Nation you are in Sub and Dub
But not English Sub and Russian Dub
Такая чушь смешная. Ну реально, ну в одной симуляции я не видел на этом канале КИНЕТИЧЕСКУЮ СИЛУ в снаряде. Т.е. длинноствольная пушка Пантеры, которая стреляет в упор и разгоняет свой снаряд до максимальной скорости...И тут этот снаряд ударившись в вонючий трак тут же дико вращается и слизывается своим прочным сердечником))) А дальше ТУТ ЖЕ теряет всю инерцию и мощь массы-скорости о вонючий трак и 0 мм брони 34)))
45 мм под наклоном это уже 90, плюс трак в наклоне это уже 110-120, учитывая так же твердость трака-симуляция вполне правдоподобная, потому что остроголовый снаряд пантеры нормально не зацепится за броню и внутрь проникнуть не сможет, но дыру проделает
@@w.dgaster8701 Ущербная броня в 90мм(очень условных, это в идеале) отвратного качества и трак толщиной и защитой почти в 0мм, это не более 10мм специальной танковой брони, которая какбэ не железка, плюс неоднородная. Как раз он может помочь снаряду идеально войти в броню. И снаряду не обязательно идеально входить, он все равно ее проломит. Просто куда увереннее этой недосимуляции. Тут в каждом видео у них не учитывается кинетическая энергия снаряда из-за скорости болванок. Снаряд входит так, будто его рукой с силой кинули, находясь в упор к танку по пластилину))
@@igorshluker_9787 все симуляции так выглядят
@@w.dgaster8701 это да...И это печально)
Russian Movie: T-34 destroy 10 German Panther, Tiger, Panzer IV Tanks etc. 😂😂😂
In Real Life: T-34 get knocked out from 1000 Meters by Panther, Tiger and Panzer IV with long 7,5 cm KwK L48
Fake
True lol 😂
if the king tiger left the factory without breaking down that is
@@abas656thegodemperor9 true shit true shit 😂
After that all of them but pz4 get knocked out by damaged wheel, transmission, engine fire, track block or electronic short circuit 😂 also these bitches =>🐀🐁🐀
This ,, warmovie" is Just a Comedy movie ... After 25 min. I rofl around and Stop watching this bullshit ...
T-34 is Weak like all rus cinematography
Russian Bullshizo Movie
In American Propaganda Film Fury, the Sherman alwayd win. But in reality it would be destroyed easy by Tiger I 88 mm KwK 36 and 7,5 cm Pak40. In Movie the always miss and if they hit it dont pentrate the Armor of Sherman. US Bullshizo Movie 😂😂
They were main characters, the role of a movie is to tell a fun story, it doesn't need to be 100% realistic. That Tiger I literally killed 3 or 4 other Shermans so "they don't always win". In the end Tiger was destroyed because it was shot in the back by much faster Sherman, which would probably happen IRL.
@@Nacjotyp in real the Tiger I would killed Fury first, than the ladt Sherman and never would come out from hidden Place, because Tiger I Main Gun can pen Sherman at 1500 Meters ...
In real life: "there are 5 of us and one of him, and one of us is a firefly"
@@connivingkhajiit in real life they targeted the firefly's first
@@connivingkhajiit in real life:
Tiger out of ammo
Tiger out of fuel
Tiger out of crew
so most situation just simple left behind or blow up own crew