Couple Builds a SUNKEN GREENHOUSE for $4,500 - Ep. 125
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- čas přidán 10. 10. 2022
- Scott and Crystal Van Gaasbeck from Under the Tree Farms are at it again-this time wowing us with a totally DIY underground greenhouse build, which utilizes a variety of the materials around their homestead.
You can see more of their wares on their website: underthetreeithaca.com/ or catch them at the Ithaca Farmers Market. And they've made their plans available for purchase here: bit.ly/3SiNL2P
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Really good video. One criticism is please let the person you are interviewing talk uninterrupted as there seems to be a lot of interjection by the interviewer and he ends up talking over the person he is soliciting information from.
Thank you!!
People really can't communicate at an accelerated rate they can talk over each other and still understand what's going on she's interviewing him his being his brain and he's trying to explain as fast as he can the complexity of it all and that's a really nice type of communication!
I wished the guy would let the interviewer finish asking the question - for clarity for the viewer.
Hahaha I just made the same comment, good job great minds think alike
They both do it.
The internet has made meeting and learning from amazing people possible on a level never seen before. This farmer/carpenter is amazingly talented. I love his passion.
We had a very similar structure (minus the underground feature) we called a solarium along the side of the house. All we had to do was open the sliding glass door from the house to the solarium in January to heat up the house. Cement floor. Grew lemons year round. Oregon.
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Built a lean too greenhouse, installed a GAHT system and using water barrels. I was able to construct this greenhouse for apx. $11,000. The GAHT system is 9 four inch dia. perforated pipe with eight dia. manifold. Solar powered fan and vents to ventilate. My greenhouse is 10x40 and 12 feet at top. I'm Norwegian and very frugal can't see how you could do it for $4,500. Glazing alone with sundry tape, screw etc was $4,700. Will soon see if we did it right.
Where do you live? We live in SC /NC border blue ridge foothills. I want to do a solarium, but we get very hot summers
@@susiealavi1425 it is finger lakes region in upper new york state
Now that's cool
Wow thanks for all the positive feedback on my project! I’ll try and answer some questions. What wasn’t shown was the excavation with a perimeter drain of gravel and drainage pipe. Buried air exchange pipes would have been impractical due to drainage, but I like the idea. This could have been built of dry laid stone and it would be beautiful but what I have is small irregular rocks. The building it is attached to is a repair shop not a house, and the siding has an air gap behind it, but please take care with moisture attaching to your house! The rafters are full 2x4 hemlock, selected to be close to perfect from my local mill. At least equal to “2x6”s from the orange or blue box. I’ll let you know if they weren’t enough! Cost breakdown: Store lumber 1100, lumber from sawmill 500, wire panels 400, polycarbonate 1900 delivered, extrusions 400, screws etc 200. I have a 40 year old 23 hp loader tractor and a 1969 jd 450 dozer, so I am just counting materials. I had the fan and vents. The thing I like about the electric vents is I can set the temp within a few degrees, but the solar ones work too. I recommend your local Mennonite farm supply for polycarbonate and vents, in ny and pa there are several that buy in bulk to get a very good deal.. I now have the stonework and grading done outside and gravel and stone paths inside, the power is done and ventilation working. Just frosting outside at night but about 60 in there in the mornings, and lots of gaps to seal still. I will post an update on our channel when I get more done! Scott
Btw I have no credentials whatsoever, just farm know-how, which is 90% careful observation and 10% s blind confidence. Build at your own risk!
Thanks for the update, Scott.
Nothing wrong with not having "credentials". What I am finding in my research and learning of different land management and growing/gardening styles of thought is that the pioneers all started with OBSERVATION. And it seems that their advice always falls back to observation of your specific environment and observation of the effects of the changes you made. There is never just one right way of doing things.
My husband and I have 80 acres of raw land which we have begin improving. Along with building a house and homestead, an underground greenhouse is also in the plans in the coming years. So, it is very fascinating to see the thought process and design considerations of others. Thank you again for sharing yours!
Would love to see some updates as the greenhouse grows out and more on the fig production.
I'm looking to do something this in a few years so I can grow figs in Poland. Don't need to keep them super warm, like you said, just moderate. Would you ever couple this with earth tubes?
I would absolutely be interested in a way to make attaching a greenhouse to your house work with the humidity issue you mentioned. Help warm a small house in the winter, grow crops year round, and have more of an open-ish concept with having double doors/patio doors open year round from the house to the greenhouse. Looking for info to make it work with the lowest cost possible. Don't want to have to run an air conditioner or central air to keep the greenhouse at a good growing temp. Doing research but not finding much info. I'm in Missouri.
What is your channel?
I bought property next door. It was owned by an engineer who wrote building code all over North America. He built one of these in the late 70's. He also installed a compostable toilet, and the green house was south facing and brought heat back into the home in winter. Very cool and way ahead of its time!
My father had 6 green houses, and in the spring when it warming up. He make paint, and water in a hand pump bottle. Spray the white wash on top of the glass plains , to block the sunlight in the summer. The rain will wash by fall. The natural gas bill was high in winter, but he placed alot in one or two houses, and closed of the the one's that was used until spring planting. For venting, bring air though 12 inch tube under ground a 100 or 200 feet . That will cool it off in the summer.
11:11 if you can utilize a black paint or make a charcoal paste to coat the rocks you'll get another 5 degrees of warmth over night from a couple hours of direct light. A small high intensity discharge lamp such as a 315w CMH would go a long way over night in a space like this as well. Great work.
If you do not like the colour black, You can use Dark Green that is almost as efficient as black to capture the sun's rays. By the way, Nature seems to have preferred the Green colour for concentrating the sun's energy to make chlorophyl Greenery ...
@@pierrenormandeau5414 Actually...it's the opposite. Green light is mostly useless for photosynthesis, which is why plants reflect it instead of absorbing it.
@@teebob21 they are refering to spectroscopy, how color is representative of a substances tendency to absord and reflect light differently... not photosynthesis. green is close to black in it ability to absord energy from light.... hope that helps.
How much warmer can unheated sunken greenhouses be over winter if done right?
use sheep or cow manure and you will get warmer greenhouse
This is literally my dream greenhouse!
Same! Ima start digging soon! ;)
there's no bedroom or bath tub in there, my dream greenhouse is also where I want live! 😁
@@Tsuchimursu same! I always joke that I wish I were small enough to live in my terrarium 🤣💚
And in Siberia they produce their vegetables in this sunken greenhouse style -- I got it from the internet apx. 10 years ago.
They use manure and compost to warm it up.
"Thermal mass” is the fundamental dynamic you’re trying to phrase. Great video!!
This has been one of the best season extension videos I've watched.
We went to Bolivia and there at altitudes 15k feet the indigenous people utilize this sunken greenhouse style to grow food, it freezes there everynight. Using this style they grow perfectly well. Was amazing.
this is walipini
So interesting to see the sunken greenhouse done with stone walls rather than concrete…. Given me a real pause for thought as my trade is dry stone wall building, I would say that this would absolutely be possible without the gabion baskets. Maybe the stone walls are good for humidity too? Low tech and lots of natural materials so it’s not hanging round for more years than necessary, what a fantastic project! Great video guys👌
Seems the retained stone is only for the thermal mass “storage” of radiant energy, presumably quicker process with Gabion? Drystack or mortared wall could certainly replace the metal and lower part of the wood wall I’d think.
Probably could use that rock he’s got as is for a sort of rubble trench foundation with a bond beam atop the wall.
Id assume good for humidity stability
Ive seen people get vents through the ground and have great success with growing citrus fruits far up north. "Nebraska retiree uses earths's heat to grow oranges in snow" is how they did it.
Good looking greenhouse!
Greetings,
Jeff
I'd love to see an update next year on this. The Gulf Stream makes every kind of difference.
Gulf Stream? You mean like HAARP? watch Angels Don't Play This HAARP
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With HAARP who knows where the Gluf Stream goeth!?? Aiee!!
44:12 Underground glasshouses have been a thing for decades. Wealthy Victorian estate owners often had them in their productive gardens nearly 200 years ago.
Dude looks like the character, Matt Hooper, from Jaws. Love the idea of the underground greenhouse.
I've had visions of this for soo long.... yes! It works so well. Haha! Let's get more of these underground greenhouses going.
Thank you Ms. Summer. That was very interesting. I wonder if that man sleeps at night or does his brain go 24/7 thinking of new ways to reinvent the wheel. He has some great ideas. 🍁🍂🍁💚🙃
Reminds me of how they grew plants on pacific islands in which they had circles of stones around a hole to protect plants from cold sea winds.
Wow geothermal greenhouse . It’s like a tunnel marries a root cellar . Really cool !
Brilliant idea for a greenhouse underground. We recently created an underground greenhouse as a proof of concept in the Ozarks, to extend the growing season with more temperature control than a cold box, AND to reduce heat stress during the summer. Basically trying to effectively utilize the constant ground temperature of about 56 degrees. Not sure how fiddly it will be through the winter but with the crazy climate changes we had to do something to keep producing food consistently.
Ours is much smaller, surrounded with concrete blocks, and covered with old windows that are easily removed as needed. And then there is the indoor vegetable growing room. Our goal is to avoid grocery stores and so far that's working.
There's a video of a Nebraska man who built his own geothermal greenhouse and he uses 6-in drain pipe underground with a fan to cool during the summer and heat during the winter and grows orange trees.
The above grade north wall is slightly leaning in to reflect solar heat and in summer is shaded.
Thanks for sharing your video.
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@@teebob21 that's the video I saw years ago... he Is quite the inspiration
I love this episode .
And the couple that are featured ..can't wait to see the end
I’ve seen a couple guys on CZcams turn their empty in-ground pool into a greenhouse. Tired of maintaining an in-ground pool? Turn it into a greenhouse.
Sander seem so excited!!! he need to have his own channel about his graphic design and film tutoring :)
Exciting times can lead to talking over ❤
I'm so happy to see sander on camera ..❤️❤️❤️good to see you guys love from Philippines 🇵🇭
Nice work, I just started digging this year for a greenhouse tucked into a south facing hill overlooking my garden and that 2 tier step down system with an stone internal shoring wall is a good idea. Was just going to make it 12 ft wide with one level, but do have room to go another 6 or 8 ft and split the difference into 2 levels........hmmmmm? Tough call, I would have to get rid of my external cold frames in the plan and have much more inside. So many ideas when looking at what people build and for me it has to be a passive heat sync greenhouse, no utilities running out to it except for maybe a couple solar panels and a battery or two for lights. Got time here anyways to figure it out, looks like a 3 year project for me. Hope everyone had a good growing season, it was good here in a zone 4b Ontario, Canada....the pantry, freezer and root cellar are all full, the garden is put to sleep already and there's 2 full bays of compost ready for startup in the spring. Got the snow blower all tuned up and settling in for a long winters nap.....happy gardening 2023 everyone.
Some years ago, I built a small greenhouse. I found some foundation vents that opened and c!osed automatically dependent on preset temps...no electric involved. I have searched in vain to find these since then. What I loved about them was they worked!
Gardener's Supply has those.
The buried greenhouse needs a cold air pit/ trench to get that cold air from the plants during the night, sinking into the pit, trench making space for warmer air to cover the plants.
Yes, Mike Oehler used these in his underground greenhouses, called it a cold sink. It would take away from the growing space though so might not make sense for this context.
Would raised beds do the same thing?
@@stjimmy5294 but it could be a water tank also
with an open close air/water valve leading to the outside when you want also
Scott should invest in some shade cloth for his green houses in the summer! Will go a long way to help him keep them cooler in the hotter months.
Fabulous! These videos are so interesting and educational. I love seeing other peoples' ingenuity and creativity. Thank you!
Started my wallapini about a half year ago. Still have a long way to go because of budget restraints but we're working towards getting it finished asap. Excited. Thanks for the insights and encouragement
Totally inspired! Not gonna lie, I dont think I've ever had a fig. So now there is a project at hand!
Super. I love how creativity and current conditions changed the original plan. This is a true dream greenhouse. Very innovative.
Would love to see a follow up video of this set up fully operational in both summer and winter! Great video, thanks!
Thus guy is adorable and a great dreamer!
for overheat protection you can get pcm containing spring. its heat activated. when the pcm material melts, at 25, it will push the piston out open the window
Yes, aka wax arm automatic window. opener.
Awesome design. Good luck going forward. Here's some low tech. To inexpensively prevent freezing use strings of christmas lights (large bulb type). Enough for behind glazing, and will work overnight with patio planters (citrus) moved against the house, hung with the lights, and covered with plastic. A trouble-light has a hook for hanging and a protective enclosure that keeps the bulb from touching anything. Emergency greenhouse within a greenhouse for that super January snap. Light bulbs are great for winter heating inside paint cabinets, crawl-space water supplies with a metal water shutoff (inside insulated box) and preventing freeze-up in sink, tub and toilet traps.
I Appreciate Scott's thinking this project out. He has answered many questions
What a beautiful piece of property.
Thoroughly enjoyed your video. Scott is a legend, and I really dig his experiment. Fun to hear him referencing Pete, whose videos I also appreciate. I'm currently building a timber frame greenhouse and raising my first pigs on my tiny farmette in progress in NE NY and am glad to hear about similar projects in similar climate. Sander: please forgive me but remember when you have such a wonderfully knowledgeable guest as Scott on your show: Let HIM Talk. I kept hearing a little Nederlander accent in your speech and was amused to see on your website I was right about that.
I was loooking for ’pete larson’ but i probably don’t have the right spelling, can you orient me ?
@@TheEmbrio his channel is "A few acres farm"
So impressive and there's nothing as tasty as a fresh fig!!!! Thanks for the tour and wow that project was put up fast. Looking forward to seeing an update in a few months if that could be accomplished. 💚
Love this conversation! Thank you so much for educating us all🙏👏👍
It's always nice to watch a neighbors dreams come to fruition. Thank you for sharing! Consider sharing updates. This reminded me of Chad DeVoe's Earthship in Freeville, NY.
They are northeasterners people. That’s how we talk. These guys are laying down a ton of information and problem solving together … and you are invited along for the ride - for free.
A plant/moss wall in the area where moisture is a concern is an excellent dehumidifier, air purifier, and heat regulator
Really great video. I love seeing the ingenuity. It goes to show you what you can do when you're motivated, and it's contagious!
Good show. Now 4" pipes buried 4' going 100' in each direction can provide heat during the nights. All you need is squirrel fans.
There is a postal worker in North Dakota that did this, with air circulation/passive thermal from buried air tubes that maintains his greenhouse at 50degrees F even in North Dakota winters...he is able to sell oranges commercially in town for a wonderful profit..plans available for 20$ - back wall is thermal mass via water storage...
pro tip for keeping heat in your greenhouse - visit kitchen and bath remodelers. They have a ton of broken, discarded, left over, etc stones from projects they have to pay to get rid of (you are looking for black granite (or anything black tbf)). You can find tons of free black granite they would happily give you (they otherwise have to pay $ to dump it). They have a lot of granite, and you can also find basalt or volcanites. It's ezpz. Edit: The reason you want these types of stones is they absorbed and retain heat. Simply using them as deco say in walkways will help a lot in winter.
This is awesome! We built a geo thermal greenhouse we are in the second year. It’s been a game changer. I think you have more growing space in yours! Nice! Wendy🙏🏻🌎
growing, raising and harvesting your own food will never go out of style
This will be great to grow so much more,he is doing a super greenhouse👍
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Excellent interview, thank you much for all this information. My daughter and I were just discussing different greenhouses.
Roof "Hoist" Jack Legs: Cover with Plastic Pipe, and then Big Foam "Noodles", Using a means to "Fix The Plastic Pipes, allowing the Jacking Gear Rods to Slip inside the Pipes, but the Foam for "Head Banging" Protection! Nice "Chain Hoist Enhancement!"
I'd love to see an update on the back wall near the house to see if the weight of a concrete pad was enough of an addition to the surcharge load to cause a critical failure after the frost and thaw cycles we had. I would guess he's only slightly better off than a walipini supported by pallets and having a structure right next to it should make for an exciting repair.
Wow. I love fresh figs thanks CMACfarm
This video was so helpful thanks so much!! I’m excited to figure out how I can grow citrus in a trench and also learned so much about how to heat a greenhouse and design it
An awesome project
Yuri Huta- your comment comes off as trolling for trouble. Sander did a great job. There’s no need to criticize him. Thank you FFL. All your videos work well. Thank you. Wish you guys the best.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you! This was very informative and exciting to watch. I would love to see another update a few years from now.
Flock Finger Lakes
Great video production!!!
Under the Tree Farms
Thanks for sharing your project and background on your research and the 2 month UPDATE!!! We will follow your ideas in the near future and share your video with others...
Off to your website for more updates...
Such a nice gabon greenhouse. Beautiful! In addition of the top vent, 1 or 2 - 6" pvc perforated tube across the top shed section which would be a suction of the tube fan. The heated peak air would then push warmed air into the ground tube made from weeping tile tube. This would heat the ground mass preparing the ground for winter heat.
I dunno what it is like there, but here in the UK you can pretty much stop a frost in a tunnel with just tea lights. 1 tea light lit at about midnight for every couple of yards of floor. I mean in that size tunnel, thats a lot of tea lights, but it shows how little it takes to heat. I know someone who composts manure in their tunnel over winter. The heat that generates allows him to grow in the tunnel all year around.
Quite innovative! Looking to permaculture an orchard plus a greenhouse on the back!
I always wanted a walipini. This might be the approach that fits me.
For the first green house you can rent a back hoe (bout $200 a day) then bury some tubing that’s hooked up to a cheap fan and you got geothermal. Very little work, not much $ but, huge benefit and will last decades if you use quality tubing. Awesome underground GH by the way. 👍
Scott is absolutely right about the medditarenean courtyard effect. Please do a progress video later on ! He is very knowledgeable on seaeon extension and passive systems. Drystone walls is absolutely an art/trade that we are working on reviving in Europe. Gabion is a good, faster compromize.
Great video and a great job explaining all of the concepts and ideas. I had intended to build something very similar. We have five 26 x 100ft high tunnels and your are spot on when you talked about the pros and cons of high tunnels with poly covering. Here is my sad story with an amazing happy ending. lol We had the mother of all wind storms last winter and all the plastic above the roll up sides was stripped from the frames. What held the lower plastic in place was that the snow/ice was approximately 5ft deep and locked the lower plastic in place. As depressing as that was, it was not the end of our business since we had actually retired from market gardening two years before. I recovered only one tunnel and we left the lower 6ft of plastic on the others and planted like usual. This was actually a blessing and huge learning experience with many "ah ha" moments. We live in a zone 3-4 area of Alaska and I would have never believed this, but we actually had a more productive season in the open top tunnels. So how is this possible you ask? lol I was sure the season was going to be a big bust, but we kept the end doors closed and each tunnel was now a 26x 100ft micro climate. Not to hot, not to cold. The snow melt and rain provided the needed moisture and I cut my time watering by 80% or so. The honey bees and other insects did an amazing job of pollinating now that they could actually find their way in an out of the open top tunnels, No high humidity, no powdery mildew, no emergency high heat incidents, no overly dry soil. And the biggest advantage is in my opinion is the health of the soil from deep watering's,. I had to be very careful with over watering in my tunnels in the past due to our high mineral content. It appears that the snow and rain is giving the soil the flushing they have not had in almost 8 years. I am seriously thinking about recovering the frames to the 8-9ft height on all four sides and would love to hear if anyone else out there has discovered this technique and how it is going?
This is amazing 🤩 Thank you so much for sharing!
A little tip for attaching to a house with vinyl,: the trim piece under the soffit at the top can be lifted a bit and a wood anchor can be snuck in a bit above it's lowest point. It secured an angle bracket so I didn't need 8 inch screws, just 4. One in each joist in the parent building or for each joist in a king beam (king beam?). I ran double 2x4's and could get them both on the bracket. It wasn't a stud hanger, those need more screws. They were half inch or 5/8. The stuff you use for posts.
At the corners an expansion anchor, it had a block foundation so it was just to keep things like the door from getting wonky, with another bracket. Then a 2x4 vertical connecting the two.
It will lay flush with the siding and there will be a sawtooth gap all the way down. I just rolled bubble wrap up and filled it in then covered it with short trim boards. They were the width of the vinyl shingle so I didn't need to copy the sawtooth.
The rest was block and 2x8's. No footer, wall is 36 inches below grade and 18 above.
This guy is smart! European chateaus have been doing this forever 👍
This is an incredible documentary!
its nice when people realize this
Randomly ran across this video. Glad I did. I'm in a zone 3 area. I have a 16 foot dome tent I'm making into a green house. This gave me a lot of things to think about. I'm new to the idea of using the dome tent as a greenhouse. I'm getting more excited for the potential of starting the growing season a few weeks earlier. Not sure how the rest of the year will go. It will be a fun experiment. Park City
put a gutter on it, then funnel that water back into the greenhouse. Use that water as thermal mass for fall and winter, have a black tank, shade it in summer. Put some shading according to the slope of the sun in summer versus fall and winter.
Yes, A wall of tall ( as possible), skinny ( to not take up too much growing space) black-painted barrels along the north wall. Not necessarily for cycling water through for use, if that's not be practical, but for thermal mass.
one which I built in rural Michigan in the early 70s used a deep trough of water in the rear as a heat sink which we stocked with tilapia, a type of fish tolerant of temperature swings. worked like a charm.
Thanks Summer! Enjoyed watching this project - hope you guys do another video update! Also, fun to have Sanders in the hotseat for a change haha
I am watching this in January. It would be interesting to see how the greenhouse looks and functions during cold winter months. I love the roof vent. I have been trying figure out how to build/ buy the components for my next greenhouse.
The orientation of the greenhouse should be from east to west and rafters should also be in the same direction. Done that with my trellis system in an open garden and it works excellent. My cell phone was used as a compass to get more precise with the trellis orientation.
Such a cool episode. I've been researching this type of greenhouse, there's a lot of awesome videos out there. We're building a greenhouse within a couple years (Zone 3) and I think this style is ideal for us.
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I wanted to do a similar thing as the gabion on a friend's estate using limestone mill rejected blocks. They were 8x8x20 with large seashell fossils, crystals and geodes It woulda been epic!
Super cool greenhouse
I need those shorts, that guy is a rockstar
I have had a Walipini here in the Arizona High desert now for about 4 years and love it.
Talk about goals! What an inspirational way to start my day, thanks to everyone involved!
love how honest he is
I REALLY want to see an "AFTER" video.
I'm super interested in how that rock wall works for cold weather heat retention/radiation.
❤ thanks for actually following up a couple months later
Great episode! Thank you so much for sharing!💛💛💛
I have been thinking about a small unground greenhouse where a 9x16 shed that is on some part buried concrete piers needs to be taken out. I've been wondering how exactly to go about it wanting to keep it as simple as possible ... this is so perfect I am saving it to watch again later. Thanks a bunch and good and thorough info!
Great work !
So very ingenious. Nice work. Please keep up the updates.
Thank you so much for that inspiration and the insights to your thought process! Amazing work!!
Wow for the love of FIGS! lol I am N of ATl and just whacking off over grown native bushes after really strange year, a droughty end, so I am sort of starting fresh with way smaller next year. Gathering fig leaves that are crinckly dry as herb tea base and using the green figs in a ferment. Been a fun fig year experimented with leaf shreds in kraut for amazing flavor, small amounts as it is a spice in this context. Love the greenhouse! if I could do this I would grow a papaya, a banana and maybe a lemon or avocado!
Looking for a hammock spot!
You don't have to reinvent the wheel on this.
There is enough material online about passive solar greenhouses, a Chinese approach to greenhouses in the winter. That you can adapt it quite well to your own.
Basically two greenhouses in one, with an airgap between the two, but where the inside greenhouse also gets an insulation that you can roll up and down. I am building one next year, I hope!
I’d love to build something like this. This video is inspiring me. Nice workmanship!
Richard Dryfus is looking GOOD! He hasn't aged a day since Jaws.
You live in an area where people have many useful talents!