Guenther Steiner OUT ❌ | Why is he being replaced at Haas? | Sky Sports F1 Podcast
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A Sky Sports F1 Podcast special reacting to the news that Guenther Steiner has left Haas with immediate effect ahead of the 2024 F1 season after the team's disappointing performances.
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Steiner wanted to spend more money to make the cars faster, Haas doesn't. Nuff said.
Where is your proof of this.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 - It's not exactly a secret.
Steiner was as much use as a chocolate teapot. Good riddance.
@@MFitz12 so you don't have proof. Beyond stupid.
@@Ga11ifreyan - Steiner was harldy _the_ problem or the only problem.
Having a team owner quite unwilling to invest in the team, seemingly uninterested in the team and not too concerned about where they finish isn't going to help.
Haas only exists because of Steiner.
Well Hass has gotten rid of the only interesting thing about their team. Gene doesn't want to put anymore money into the facilities they use, so they are going to stay at the back regardless of who's team boss.
100%. Their Haas is grass. Running at the back of the grid for 2024.
As TP Steiner had to do everything…some things worked out, but so much didn’t. His moves for sponsorship mostly failed (Rich Energy and Uralkali) not sure how hard he pushed for big American corporations leaning into the whole American Team thing. Early on there was massive issues with the brakes and brake by wire systems…that they eventually fixed. They then finished 5th in constructors, only to have Ferrari engine get nerfed after their penalty. That killed any forward movement and car development, now the engine is good but everything else is behind because of that. Their inability to fix the tire performance is an engineering problem that presumably the new TP should have fixed by now. Ultimately Haas needs to spend more money, or find a partner who will kick in more…even then it will take at least 2 seasons to see any results.
I think their goal now is not to be lapped every single race now, Gene might believe whatever he wants but it is possible at the end of 20024 will be up for sale in one of the most painful F1 for a team in all times, Gunter might have dodged that one out, it was going to be a really long year for him. I hope some team has what it takes to bring him back Gunter can lead any middle team easy. Even it might be a good fit for Alpine. Let's wait and see.
@@Vonandion interestingly both the Alpine and Alpha Team Principles are just being hold by "place holders". I wonder if He will go to one of them.
The 'interesting' thing about Steiner was of no added value and for a huge part fake anyway. Steiner had been part of this team from the beginning, so this whole concept was for a huge part his idea. It basically was his team, paid for by Haas. So he's responsible for all the limitations. It's not very reasonable to all of a sudden want Haas to invest more money in a infrastructure (that they don't even own). Steiner said this was going to work.
Lest we forget, Guenther was a key part of the transisition period of Red Bull between 2005 and 2009. That's what the die hard fans will remember him for. And then the DTS fans will remember for swearing a lot at Mazapig and Co.
Yeah I'm not so sure I believe that, Newey never mentioned anyone by name but there was a number of people he had to root out to change the teams attitude. Gunther goes just when the team start to win consistently, you don't drop an asset unless it isn't an asset
He really wasn't. He was there, he had his role, but definitely no key part. And when they got Newey, Steiner basically has zero responsibilities at the F1 team and went to work for the NASCAR team. So Steiner was basically at the F1 team in 2005 and in part 2006.
Gene Haas doesn't invest and Guenther pays the price. No idea why Haas is even in F1 anymore.
Haas wanted results without investing in infrastructure... Gunther isnt god he can only do so much with what he has... Gene Haas handicapped his team and expected results without putting in the money for it. HUGE loss for Haas...Gunther was good and why get rid of someone who is on the rise... bad call Gene Haas
Haas wanted to save on the cost of Gunther’s salary, it’s simple as that. If the team is going to finish last again, why spend more money when he can have the new guy now to do two jobs instead of one.
Gunther wanted to improve the car. Gene Haas wanted to continue selling CNC machines to Putin.
Allowing those machines to get into Russia makes me furious, and as a buyer and user of Haas machines I'll be looking at other brands going forward.
Steiner will be missed! Closest thing to a modern day Eddie Jordan or Flavio Briatore in terms of flamboyant personalities in a sea of PR robots. Good or bad, you need people like that.
Nope. Give me a James Vowles, Vasseur or Wolf anyday over Steiner. Team principals aren't employed to crack jokes and have a personality, they are there to move a team forward and improve them. They went backwards under Steiner.
If gene didnt want to finish last then why is he investing like someone who does?
James Vowles has been banging on about how Williams facilities are way behind and need massive updating for them to be competitive. Gunther says the same thing about Haas. Gene Haas says show me results first, then we’ll upgrade. How is that even possible with the same staff, equipment and other teams spending millions to move forward??
Insane on so many levels especially given Steiner's huge motorsport experience. Not to mention the sponsors who I imagine will now reshuffle if the airtime inevitably decreases.
You can't question the passion. Remember what he would do for one point. Im not sure he designed much of the floor or the suspension in regards to the tyre wear that car suffers from
He would HUG then haha
improvised podcast. love the concept. journalists ready 24/7 for recording on the go 😂
I know, incredible. It’s almost like it’s their jobs.
Kinda in the job description
It’s made you look like a bunch of Vankers, Gene!
I've heard a rumor suggesting that Gene might be considering a partnership with Andretti, as it appears that Andretti is facing difficulties securing the 11th spot on their own. Andretti already has a deal with GM as an engine supplier and they have rather deep pockets, Haas could potentially become the primary sponsor of the Andretti-Haas F1 team. To be frank, this doesn't seem entirely implausible. Haas has been struggling to make progress independently, while Andretti is seemingly facing exclusion from the current F1 teams. A collaboration might offer a solution for both parties.
In this case Steiner is the embodiment of a nice guy finishing last...
As an American we do not claim Gene Haas. Terrible owner
I've been waiting my whole life (since the 80s) for an American team and an American driver I can be proud of. I must have angered the gods in a previous life, because the universe is like ok, you can have Gene Haas and Logan Sargeant 😭
ayao komatsu was a podioum finisher in lotus, while he was grosjean's engineer. I wouldn't speak too fast by saying if it's a lost for haas f1 team.
Sad to see Steiner go. Haas are in a mess now. Last in the constructors with an owner who doesn’t want to invest. I’ve seen this script before.
Haas will only go even more backwards now, can see Andretti buying the team in the next 3 years to come
Selling out to Andretti is Gene's game plan anyway... only Guenther stood in the way.
Hope not, want 11 teams
completely shocked, but I wonder if gene will move out of f1 for andretti to move in as the team bosses don't want more than 10 teams.
Macleren improved with Stella.A change of thinking is good.We love Gunther but a fhange was needed
How is this amateurish team still on the Grid when you have presumably a far more professional team in Andretti being prevented from getting in.
Not really a surprise this happened, aside from Genes unwillingness to spend money, the bigger issue is how stratified their organisation is and the model Gunther built. It hasn't worked and won't work so Gunther has to go
He only leaves voluntarily, which isn't quite the same as getting replaced or sacked, but still a shock & his absence won't go unnoticed.
He didn't leave voluntarily.. he didn't have the opportunity to stay.
Does Gene Hass _even_ want to be in F1? Steiner was pretty much the 'face' of the team, and maybe that's what put Hass' nose out of joint.
The consensus is that most of us think Gene never really cared about F1 in the first place, he just sees it as a way to sell more Haas CNC rigs. That's a little dismissive and reductive, but it does feel truthful. I struggle to think of another team owner who is so careless and negligent of the team that his own name on it.
Obviously Gene does not wish to put in anymore money to bring their results higher. Would be interesting to see what they spend in a year vs the spending cap? Willing to bet it is significantly lower. Perhaps he needs a financial partner to come in to boost the depth of the pockets required to be at least a mid field contender.
Something had to change and renewed leadership when a team is consistently underwhelming is a good place to start.
Whilst Steiner is a character the team does need the opportunity for fresh leadership.
no mention about who owns the team... ie the ongoing noted Ownership with Gunther as part owner as part of team deal. Kept saying Hass was full owner... Had this been resolved.? I thought this was still on going. Maybe all this will come out in the book which is quite timely...
Got to get him back in the sport, such a great team principal
Yeah brilliant, team is last but hes writing a book, doing podcasts and dabbling in Hollywood
@@nickmildon6348 haha yeah. He was brilliant only for people who focused on his celebrity on DTS etc. But to be honest, he was not really good for the team. He did not mentor young drivers like Mick Schumacher very well, he was even shown on DTS to be very mean and rude to his drivers when they were not doing well and be happy and jovial when they were doing well. That is not a good boss, that is just a reactive boss with a short fuse. He was never a good boss, just a controversial fellow who liked the limelight.
@@litetaker didn’t he get them the sponsors and the pay drivers to basically keep the team afloat while gene haas was twiddling his thumbs.
Haas have the best reverse gear in F1 at the moment. At least they are top rated in one category.
Whatever his on-track performance, Guenther’s book is still a fun read
I’ll tell you what , as a fan that has been attending a race at least once a year the ticket prices are absolute ridiculously priced so if popularity drops because of Gunther even better . A three day ticket for silverstone is over $2500 !!! Absolute JOKE !!!!!
It sounds like firing Gunter will mean having to fill multiple roles, perhaps a restructure, the guy was handling so much, it's a miracle they are where they are, you can't fault him for that
Andretti should buy the Haas team
I know it's just Crofty talking, but literally that sounded like he was talking to Brundle while announcing the news that broke out before an FP1 session.
A shame, yep like most I really like Guenther.. g0d dang Rockstar here in Scandinavia.
that Komatsu is taking over, not sure how much sense that will make, as its also a person that certainly also played a role for the status of the cars performance, and also strategies in races as their main chief race ingineer and been at Haas since 2016 when he came over with Grosjean
Gunther... top blagger! 🤣🤣
Steiner said on the Virginia radio breakfast show ( Chris Evans) some 10+ weeks ago he was leaving at the end of last season. So this is old news…
The video quality of this podcast is not up to snuff for sky. Surely you could borrow some good camera equipment.
Not even bought a replacement, promoted the very quiet assistant
Well, he never delivered any results... He was good in social media though ;)
Bit like DR!!
lack of discernable progress, would be my guess
Gene is a typical American that wanted to expand into a European sport for notoriety. I think Guenther will do well at the next team he goes to, and I think the team he goes to will do better than Haas.
I would consider Guntherw spell as successful... they clombed using tint funds
Surely he'll be picked up by another team, a great leader of people
Can see Haas not being on the grid for 2026, good riddance. No point in being in F1 if you're not going to spend money.
Hopefully Gunther comes back with Andretti Cadillac!! 🤞🤞 Hass needs to put up the $$ to provide a better product, or get rid of them.
You'd have to say, with some of the shambles of Team Principles this last few years, one standout is James Vowles. Turning around Williams is no mean feat, almost all other teams are treading water or falling backwards.
Doesn't matter who is in that job at Haas, they will finish last and will continue to do so unless they spend more or align more closely with Ferrari.
They’ve actually done that: the design office is based out of Maranello. The technical director was on loan from Ferrari. Coincidentally he left the same day as Gunther
I love Guenther. Great guy, great personality. But if some other team was flatlining like Haas, they would sack the head person immediately and we wouldn’t bat an eye. So what’s different here? Plus, Gene promoted the engineer to track head, and someone else will deal with the political stuff. So what’s the big deal?
Haas is setting up the FOR SALE sign!
Soo,
Ghunter in Audi F1 2026 or Andretti F1 2025?
(Andretti being former HAAS F1)
If you watch DTS season 6, it’s clear that GS has zero technical knowledge, and where would he take the team next ? I still love the boy
Gene Haas doesn’t get it, he hasn’t for awhile. This isn’t like running Minardi in the 80s, to be competitive you must spend money. Haas is apparently content to be one of the bottom-feeders and farm teams for young talent not under contract.
I sure hope Andretti makes it in, then the US can have a team with at least a pretense of competing. Then maybe F1 can drop Haas.
Good luck Guenther Steiner, god speed, and youll be fine this year, im sure, your a winner always, time for a change for all concerned, fyi i dont think Guenther will be out of the sport very long.
According to Gene himself his team spends somewhere near the top of the budget cap, & not as Croft says no way near..🤷♂️
I can understand the draw of owning a F1 team but being at the back constantly must really be a downer..
Maybe sell out to Andretti & go to Indy Car racing..
Let's be honest it was only a matter of time. Yes he had a personality but even just watching DTS you can see some issues, nevermind actually following the sport in more detail.
Read somewhere there was a discussion between Ferrari and Gene Haas which didnt lead to a fruitful result. Di Resta and Steiner seemed to agree with Ferrari. So probably a difference of insight why Haas did not continu with Steiner and Di Resta. All the other stuff Steiner is as a personality only good for exposure of Haas and good to get sponsors, which Haas needs if Gene doesnt want to pour in buckets of dollars.
Netflix Formula 1 Drive To Survive won't be the same without him.
For Gene, the Haas F1 team is a marketing tool for his tools. He doen’t care finishing last. Just being F1 is enough. Gunter wants to go forward expecting more investments. Gene doesn’t want more money for an already very expensive marketing tool. Conflicting goals and interest.
So maybe Ottmar will come back to the grid
Like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I wonder who the Drive to survive film crew is hanging with these last days. if he doesn't go to another team I bet he gets his own show.
Which Sky Sports F1 pundit will get the pinkie to make room for Colorful Guenther?
I feel sorry for people who started watching F1 recently. It's absolute garbage.
F1 up to 2008, was a completely different sport. A legendary one.
Really up to 2006, but 2007/2008 were still good, post tyre war.
" Gene Haas is in it for the long haul"... Let's not forget that Gene is 71 years old. Not that he is slowing down or losing focus now, but in this stage of life things you are passionate about and priorities can change in a heartbeat
Well, there goes the Drive to survive ratings.
I am still wondering about Haas selling to Andretti...
Dig Damon! 3:46
I bet our favorite impersonator Conner …. Is going to be gutted. his Impersonations of Gunther were sensational.
Andretti racing should buy Hass!
F1 teams are worth a minimum of $1bn because the popularity of the sport skyrocketed on the back of Drive to Survive. Gunther was one of the catalysts that made DTS so popular.
Get him on Sky Sport#
Next Drive to Survive season, will guess 20% less viewed.
haas should be pushed out of f1 and bring in a big manufacturer in to replace them, vw or porsche..
Andretti will hire him.
No
It's interesting to note that Guenther became popular by making unintelligent comments on Netflix... Christian Horner fired him back in 2008 because of his lack of competence as a technical director. Also, the way he handled Nikita Mazepin and Mick Schumacher is absolutely unacceptable. I don't see why a team could be interested in him just because he was popular on Netflix; this has nothing to do with F1.
Gunter to alpine would make sense
Just like any team sport, if you’re last, the coach is let go
He's going to Andretti..
Nooo.....I can hear the Anakin howl thru' his new Darth Vader mask after realising that his Padme was no more.......lol. This is how I'm reacting to this news. What now, for next season's Drive To Survive? Who's going to be the one to add colour to the show?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo...................
Haas will be up for sale within two years, just in time for that Audi bid perchance? If not maybe Andretti if possible? Who knows but it looks like F1 will likely lose another time within a few years.
He's been replaced by Stephen Chow from Kung Fu hustle 😮
Very misleading thumbnail
for info he is not eey-yeei-oh
he is rather ah-yeah-oh
Honda engines coming to Hass!
I wish the cost cap could of helped Haas instead of being abused by Redbull
Big mistake getting ride of Gunter!
Good
I think Haas will sell the team. He should be able to get like 500 mill for it and probably more. Cadillac might be a great candidate. Either that or he needs to do a massive investment into the team and facilities.
If Günther isn't signed up by another team, Sky should try and sign him as a pundit. He'd make a great member of the commentary team
Does it cost that much to invest in Haas from Gene when Haas is a manufacture process company. Surely he can knock out some discount for Haas F1. It just doesn't make sense to advertise Haas if Haas F1 doesn't get the latest and the best production facilities ?
some of the comments here are absolutely gorgeous coming from individuals that have nothing to do with F1 beyond watching it every now and then... I love 99% bull dung on my days off as well so keep it coming why don't you
Gunther demanded ownership percentage and Haas said no.
Because Andretti is buying Hass and doesn’t want Steiner there.
Aaldert
Like all things in life, you are judged on results,end of storey
Steiner got revenue in to a team that generate it from it's owner. Bad move.
Gene doesn’t care at all about winning. The team is an investment and advertising medium. He doesn’t seem to get that it’s harming his engineering brand.
Just replace HAAS with Andretti