The Beatles: "She Said She Said" - Vinyl Friday #75
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- A fine bromance!
(I mean that in total earnest; meaningful male friendships are important.)
Things get complicated in this one, for where one beautiful bromance blossoms, a broken heart may be left in its wake...
Also in this episode: Madonna skips maladroitly! Cameos from Elton John and Animal from the Muppets! I spend too much time talking about "Happiness Is a Warm Gun", for an episode that is not about "Happiness Is a Warm Gun"!
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0:00 Hello!
1:08 Lysergic Beatles
8:22 The John and George show
10:19 Blueprint for psychedelic rock
12:50 A vocal blend made in heaven
14:20 Shifting tempos
17:29 Blistering tones
19:55 Peak Ringo
21:38 Death and birth
22:06 Three-chord wonder!
23:29 A short breather
24:18 Goodbye!
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What's your favourite track on Revolver's side A?
You expect me to chose one?!?!?!
(Probably "Here there and everywhere")
here there and y'know everywhere because i need it to lead a better life.
Probably Love You To
"SHE SAID SHE SAID"!!! ....excellent commentary.... I LOVE the "drone"... Fave song tied w/ S.Fields is "Rain"
i´m only sleeping
One of my favourite George moments:
*George:* "The great thing about LSD is that you only need to take it once."
*Interviewer:* "You only took it once?"
*George:* "No, I took it many times, but I only needed it once."
Ringo's opening fill was a MONSTER.
'Taxman' and 'She Said She Said' are my favorite tracks from side-A.
Easily one of Ringo's best performances.
The snarling guitar tones are courtesy of the super-rare VOX UL730. Used on Revolver and Sgt Pepper, and then never heard of again in Beatleland.
Side 1 of Revolver is strongly in the running for the very best album side they ever made. No filler and the only Beatles album side that has 2 songs from George Harrison instead of his usual paltry allotment of 1. The rivals to me are Rubber Soul Side 1, Pepper Side 1 and Abbey Side 2. But pick just one track from this side? It isn't fair!! So I will say, She Said, Eleanor Rigby and I'm Only Sleeping. In no particular order. Please keep in mind that if you ask me again tomorrow, I am likely to give you a slightly different answer. Always happy to help and I hope that this makes it perfectly clear.
Like the salient bits of a Ken Burns docu-series, with 5 hours added back onto your life. Bravo.
😆 thank you!
Hi Fathom! Great choice. This is probably my favorite song on my favorite album. But it's the "Big R"; all killer, no filler, so "favorite" is relative :) As an aside, I've always thought of George as a very good songwriter, but really not on the level of John or Paul, and I use this song, Rain and Tomorrow Never Knows as examples: when George writes a song based on the influences of Indian music, it more-or-less sounds pretty close to the traditional sound, but with Western Pop music lyrics, melody and structure. But John takes those influences and synthesizes an entirely unique and new musical vocabulary.
"She Said She Said" is one of my all time favorite Beatles songs. At one point in my painting studio, I played it probably 25 times in a row. The song is mesmerizing. I must say, you have wonderful taste Fathom. Perfect analysis as usual.Am I complementing myself ? Ya, maybe a little bit.
You are very special... I'm 76 and you with this episode had me tripping.Thank you
67 here, and I'm geeking out over this vid. She's amazing!
72 here. Yup, she's made an incredibly intense analysis video.
Love your take on this piece. But oh how it sounded when it was brand new. Life changing and world changing really.
This is my favorite Beatles song on Revolver. Probably my favorite top 3 Beatles song. Sounds like a day would look like through orange colored glasses.
Interesting, this song has always looked more pink to me!
Leonard Bernstein spoke about "She Said She Said" in the 1967 documentary "Inside Pop." The whole documentary used to be available on CZcams, but I can only find snippets now, and the sound is muted in places. Nonetheless I recommend watching the snippets that you can find. Bernstein was quite the Beatles fan-boy - for some of the same reasons that @fathommusicnz pointed to.
His comment about the changing time signature: "Such oddities as this are not just tricks or show off devices ... in terms of pop music's "basic English," so to speak, they are real inventions."
Wow, I never would have made the “Beautiful Stranger” connection but it’s so obvious now that you state it; love that song also. It’s great how you thread psychedelic music through to today (esp UMO), and how you unpack the vocal melodies - you’re right, it’s not just double tracking John, it’s two different voices in a new combination.
You're extremely knowledgable and talented. Thank you for the great insights.
Nice guitar Nancy! ...Richard
16:05 i started to listen to the Beatles like 10 years ago and this is one of my favourites and I DIDN'T KNEW GEORGE SINGS IN THIS SONG i thought it was Paul and i thought in the last part John voice was double!! You never stop to learn about them❤
Peak Beatles!
Once again, you've knocked it out of the park! Everyone talks about Tomorrow Never Knows, but this song is criminally disregarded. It's long been one of my favorites (as if I could pick between Beatles songs.) I never realized George's role in this song. Makes me love him even more! Thank you!
Great analysis into one of my fav songs. A really good and fun video. Thanks
What an excellent song...
SSSS was made under immense pressure - at the last minute they realised they were a track short for Revolver, and they were due to fly out to Germany just two days later. As usual, they're best with their "backs against the wall" (even when Paul apparently barged out after the basic track was laid down)!
my fav song on the album, and one of Ringo's finest performances. I'd not been aware before you pointed it out how Ringo could play more freely in this one thanks to the compositional setup.
I think of this as being a few of the Beatles’ songs (many of which you mentioned) that show Keith Moon’s influence on Ringo. Animal style.
Great analysis. I did not realize how much George contributed. I do love this song. Both sides end so strong on Revolver.
And I love Ringo's "tumbling" drums. I think those ended up influencing the drums on a lot of psychedelic records that came soon after.
I also now understand why I like Beautiful Stranger despite not liking Madonna much at all, haha.
And I agree, the side change is a great time for reflection.
Thank you for a great video! Great insights into psychedelic rock and John and George's relationship.
Great episode Nancy! She Said is a fantastic song. Great walk through of the drone. Great explanation and examples. The Psych incredient. I really love your episodes. When you explain things. All thumps up!!!
A really insightful breakdown of one of my favorite Beatles songs. The story of the genesis of She Said She Said was fascinating. I can't imagine being under the influence of LSD and having someone constantly telling me they know what it's like to be dead. I'm glad Fonda did because his conversation inspired such a great song. It's cool having John and George work so closely on a song. I wish they could have done more together. It is difficult to pick one song from Side 1 of Revolver. I think it is the most coherent album of their storied career. If I was forced to pick one I would go with She Said She Said but I love all of the others as well. Side 2 is a much easier choice for me. Tomorrow Never Knows is on my Top 10 Beatles songs list. I hope that is the one you are going to cover next!
I enjoyed your analysis. I also agree, Ringo is very underrated.
Loved the Rocky Horror reference 😊
Called it!
Excellent deep dive. It's a wonderful conjecture that "She Said She Said" is a purposeful George/John collaboration, not an accident...as per Paul and even 'official' sources. I'll take that! It's a great pairing, too, because George brings out the "John-ness" of the track which, on REVOLVER especially, is a bonus. The other great John song on the album imho is "And Your Bird Can Sing," which is also George-heavy.
What a treat I just tripped over the algorithm and found your channel, and you make instruments!! So cool.
Just discovered you. Great analysis. This is my favorite track off my favorite album. Period. I think that for people who only know their hits, this is a mind-blowing hidden gem. So good. Interested in looking at your other posts. I think your view of the John George bromance is spot on.
This awesome cover i like a lot, reintroduced me to how good the original is too 'SHE SAID SHE SAID FEATURING KIP WINGER, MIKE PORTNOY, JEFF SCOTT SOTO, ANDY TIMMONS' rocks!!!
Thank you Nancy, i thought i know everything about every beatles songs but how i was wrong! What a research! Love it so much! Thank you very much!
Interesting. This is also my favorite song on side B. But that has mainly to do with the fact that I connect it very strongly with my younger daughter Anne.
I wish I could express my enthusiasm the way you do. Thank you for your great contributions. That's what someone who grew up with the Beatles tells you, so they're almost family.
On Ringo's fills, my favorite is a very simple one but so powerful, that blew my mind as a child: With a little help from my friends!
Is it the one after the first chorus?
@@fathommusicnz exactly, sooo deep!! Can't believe this was the result of these little toms you showed us, there must be some Martin/Emerick magic involved.
"AAAAWWW, so good!" Nancy!!!
I look fwd to your 2, 20, & 200,000 subb eras...
After heading over here from Abby's channel and viewing this video, I am happy to now be a subscriber. This song, man... what a masterpiece. That precious and rare John & George vocal is just phenomenal. And I recall using this song waaaaay back in my middle school days as a shining example of how hard the Beatles rocked (at a time - the mid-1990's - when a middle schooler listening to the Beatles was an aberration). Your breakdown of the song was excellent, and I look forward to more!
Precious and rare. Another example is the Smokey Robinson cover You Really Got a Hold on Me.
Impressive analysis. ❤
Rubber Soul is pop. Revolver is ROCK!
That's one of my faves too. It's also amazing that Paul wasn't included. The other three guys were capable of making damn good music without him. Nevertheless, when he was involved, it only enhanced the music.
I am presently doing a cover of this Existential masterpiece.
Goodness, you are musically talented...damn...picking out those harmonies...
Great energy & great insights. I have a new appreciation of a singular sonic experience. I appreciate the love goes into this video.
Ticket To Ride has drone too and it is from way back on Help!
Wow! Very glad this one's getting some deserved attention. I love the grinding treacley guitar wash and sinewy lead bends, the barnstorming drums, punchy drone bass and angelic vocals, as well as the weird lyrics. It's a great companion to other proto shoegaze/noise numbers like The Who's Circle's, The Kinks' See My Friends, The Stones' Have You Seen Your Mother, or the Byrds' What's Happening? There's a kind of chaotic off centredness in the order and, yes the guitar tone all over the record is stellar. This is my go-to track off the album if I just want to hear one. I really like the bromance theory. Paul conspicuously says he doesn't remember what the row was about that made him leave the session. When you think on't, they were super confident, unprecendently successful, intense and still only in their twenties; it's a wonder they didn't split a lot earlier. Been really enjoying these takes on one of my favourite records. Thanks again. Oh, almost forgot, I consider this to be a direct ancestor to I Want You (She's So Heavy).
Well stated! I was going to include a mention of "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" when I was talking about tempo changes, but ended up raving about "Happiness" for so long that I decided to cut it.
A great presentation on a very underrated and examined song. Thanks for posting!
My favorite side A track is 'I'm only sleeping', Revolver only gets better on side B though
Definitely on of Ringo's coolest drum performances ever.
Great analysis and love your enthusiasm and presentation too.
Awesome video! You nailed it 1000%!!
Great detailed analysis! Liked and subbed (a no-brainer on my part}.She Said She Said has always been my Revolver a-side favorite, going all the way back to when I first played my Revolver LP in 1966. Honorable mentions to Love You To and Eleanor Rigby. My b-side honors go to Tomorrow Never Knows, in a landslide win. If you disagree, that"s cool; just relax, and float downstream. 🎵
Excellent! The best reaction I have seen.
Very interesting. And She Said...has always. been one of my favorites.
Thanks! This was great.
Love it. I do an instrumental version of “She Said She Said” at my Acoustic at gigs. Only other musicians smile back. It’s on my top ten Beatle’s list. It never gets old. Leonard Berstein himself recognized the brilliance of it. Check out video of “Leonard Berstein on The Beatles” on CZcams.
Love that song. Pretty sure it's John harmonizing with himself though. Not George.
Yes, at the end it's John & George. Check out the earlier harmonies.
George was already playing sitar before all this. He had seen a sitar in a music shop and it piqued his curiosity, so he picked it up and started learning to play. That's what led to him playing on "Norwegian Wood," which had been released months before the infamous party and was likely the reason Crosby approached him recommending Ravi Shankar. (It's hard to imagine that if George had any interest in Indian music, he hadn't already known about Shankar, though Crosby wouldn't have known that.)
That's correct - I cover this is in a bit more depth in the Love You To episode. IIRC, although he doesn't name-drop specifically, George also refers explicitly to a friend telling him about Ravi Shankar in Anthology.
I'm a massive Beatles know-all, but you always end up teaching me something new. I had no idea this was a John and George duet! A wonderful video!
I'm looking forward to I Want To Tell You. I always feel this is the most underrated song on the album. The piano correspondent will have a blast! Do you know Neil Innes's story about the song?
Nope! Do tell!
@@fathommusicnz It's a story Neil always used to tell about recording those early Bonzo Dog Band records at Abbey Road:
czcams.com/video/tKsgR3-7-JE/video.html
I've heard longer versions than this; the bit which he doesn't get around to mentioning in this one, is that it's this experience which made him realise that he wanted to write original songs and not just do covers of 1920s novelty records. So I Want To Tell You gave us Equestrian Statue, and then all those other wonderful Bonzos and Neil and Rutles songs.
So this is the song that was being recorded exactly concurrently with I Want To Tell You:
czcams.com/video/-IE1-OWsXEE/video.html
I insist that George Harrison is perhaps the biggest influence in the psychedelic/hippie era and perhaps the most criminally underrated artist of his time, specially when his contribution was so clear. Yes, John and Paul were bigger and more powerful and talented, but Harrison sitar was the final and most decisive factor that shaped the sound that his generation was looking for, particularly in songs like Tomorrow Never Knows, Strawberry Fields Forever, Love You To and the masterful Within You Without You. He put his teacher Ravi Shankar into the spotlight during the Summer Of Love in US and UK and indirectly inspired others like Jimi Hendrix and Jefferson’s Airplane to shape their styles, not to mention his soundtrack for the movie Wonderwall in 1968 is absolutely crazy. No Harrison: No psychedelic music.
YESSS,..!! exectly 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Antici…. PATION!
Eleanor Rigby
this video enriches our understanding of the song ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐.
i love the tone on the riff. the beatles had intermittent heaviness! this one goes like an incision into the brain.
my take is that the bizarness of the encounter is the point: alternately, i nicked this from an intro to a film by tarkovsky ( hey i couldn't make that up) that there is the astonishing thought that we are living and dying at the same time.
i don't buy the bromance angle though. it was always about john and paul. the fractures occuring around the let it be/get back show that for me.
avoid the guy at parties who looks like an ancient mariner: that's a deep trip
I love the distortion so much on this track. They always use distortion to great effect. See: Revolution (not #9!). Absolutely blistering.
Hi, may I recommend a listen to The La's. They are awesome. Colin
I had heard that Paul didn't play on this song because he didn't like it. Probably closer to what you said since John & George wrote it together. So I just assumed that George also played bass. It certainly doesn't sound like Paul because it's not melodic enough.
Paul later said he didn't think he played on "She Said She Said," but the Beatles Bible, which is considered authoritative and well researched, insists he did.
Haha, I was going to mention this in the video, but all accounts seemed inconclusive. I assumed someone would bring it up in the comments, so thank you!
Mark Lewisohn said it has to be Paul playing bass because of the way it was recorded. There are four people playing on the track so Paul must be playing bass
@@fathommusicnz Paul is on She Said She Said. That rumor has already been debunked.
I do like this song but I wouldn't rank it higher than I'm Only Sleeping. But that's just my opinion and of course you have yours. I do enjoy your reactions, although sometimes they get a little long in the tooth. But your excitement makes up for it.
This is terrific, but when are you going to cover the Beatles' most enduring classic, "I've Got A Dog"?
What's her favourite song, the one that's on side B? Bets are now open. I put a nickel on Tomorrow Never Knows (sorry about the nickel - when I was younger, so much younger than today, my mom always told me that betting is bad).
i think that's a good shout but my nickel is on got to get you into my life. let's see where the smart money goes.
I would lay my plug nickel on "Here, there, and everywhere "...alas, I'm too stoned to even remember what side of the album it's on. Lol😵💫
@@davedem4107 think you've lost a nickel. how will you cope. LoL
Uknown Mortal Orchestra mentioned 🤘
She Said x2 is one of those songs that's having a popular reappraisal because we're finally starting to hear how good and tasty 1st gen psychedelic rock is. John was (once again) completely brilliant pioneering that sound. That vibe got into metal too, where early Sabbath had a lot of that syrupy distorted guitar tone and messy, slammy drums. Always new brilliance to uncover about the Beatles 🤓
Agreed! And yeah, hoping I've acquired their latest before I get to the letter U!
@@fathommusicnzOh are you doing some kind of alphabetical listening thing? I'm new to ur (great, lovely) channel 😅 I've been getting into Rubin more after learning he has indigenous roots, along with many others. Jimi, Link Wray, Robbie Robertson, lots. Totally changes perspective to realize some of their roots. Jimi it's like, ohh.... Think I'm about to listen to a lot more of him. And on psych rock!!🤓😎🤘
@zachhiggins1668 That's right! Although the Revolver miniseries is track-by-track, Vinyl Friday is me going through my collection alphabetically. We're up to the letter G, technically speaking.
@@fathommusicnz Sweet! Look forward to following along. Just watched a good bit of what's going on (G). Heavenly music, can only imagine the power of the vibes while recording.. and poor Marvin 😥
Jefferson Airplane had a vocal nod to She Said in Ice Cream Phoenix. I think. "These pictures of sadness are not what they seem" czcams.com/video/ocmBA1OEn2o/video.htmlsi=ky9COX7Y75STDsw8
March 66
I always thought this was a really interesting song. I didn’t like it that much originally, but it really grew on me! Just finished a portrait of George on my channel if you want to check it out :)
Sure thing! Link it here. 🙂
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What kind of guitar do you have?
This one's an Italia Maranello. Thanks for asking!
Honestly I hope you cover the stones one day
If so i recommend Their Satanic Majesties Request
You are so very cool. I know you will easily achieve 2k subscribers. I will be lucky to get 20! Peace ☮️
DRINGO
OK, I have to change the channel. I realized right away that you’re playing the music through speakers near your microphone. That ain’t gonna cut it. I’m surprised you have 2000 subscribers. If that’s the way you’ve been doing it. The song sounds like the speakers are literally on the other side of the room, if you wanna succeed, get an in line set up.
Your musical enthusiasm and understanding and your skillful presentation is something truly inspiring and special to me. Many greetings from Denmark. And thanks!