Testing SUNLU resin Toughness,ABS,Standard and water washable through the testing gauntlet #3
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- Comparing SUNLU vs the competition with pull,push,drill tap and much more testing.
FT. Toughness, water washable, standard and abs like.
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Timeline:
0:00 intro
0:29 disclaimer
0:38 The smell
2:07 bottle design
2:36 warping
3:38 Print experience
4:05 Print quality and supports
5:14 Nut and bolt test
6:45 Pull test
7:24 Push test
8:12 Stiffness test
9:10 Drill,tap,torque test
10:42 General tips and testing procedure
11:34 Discussing the charts
17:44 My preference and some advice
19:32 Outro
#SUNLU #resin #gauntlet
What is your absolute favorite all round resin so far in the gauntlet?
ABS-like and Toughness, maybe a mixture of them, must test!
The "High Temp" is interesting, just got some, will test soon.
Hey Nozzie, off topic but check out the Athena 8K Printer if you haven't already, what do you think?
Thanks for the info, i will contact them to ask if they wanne cooperate but chances are low 😅
Everybody hung up on screen resolutions when they should be testing resin like you.
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yeha I've been making super fine mail, and with a 4k (50um) printer the mail joins together if the gaps are less than about 200um which is 4 pixels, so it's not like it doesn't have enough pixels for the deails I want but better resins do much better and more direct light (best being DLP) would be far better than just higher resoloution.
I used to do material testing for a living, so I love that you test resins for things that actually matter to makers! Good job!
Glad you like the testing!
What kind of test could show a materials resistance to chipping and impact?
Chipping would be the drill test what i call blowout. I'm building a impact tester so all these resins will be tested again
That is actually the way how resins should be compared. Objective Test data! Thanks for your work! Awesome job 👍
Thanks dude! 🤟
Thank you for this, been printing for 3 years and have needed something this in depth to clarify the differences. Appreciate your time putting this together!!
🙏🙏 thanks dude!
Amazing channel, someone who actually knows what he's talking about. Easy sub.
Very detail review. Thanks
Great video and thank you for sharing.
Subscribed. Awesome video and tests.
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Fantastic video, earned a sub
Love to have at least one person outing resins through the paces.
One of the best comparissons i've ever seen and I've been watching a ton for a few days. If possible for next time you do one perhaps add something that could test 'drop' resistance, I guess 'impact' could be another way to define it. Cheers! 👍
Thank you! I will do a impact series in the future 🙂
wow, you do a lot of tests with the Resin! keep going plzz..thank a lot for your video's! greeting from the Netherlands!
I'm with you I like the sunlu abs and then the conjure rigid
please keep making these videos
I havent seen too mamy people talking about it, but the Water Washable here is frequently comparable to SirayaTech Blu.
I print minis casually for Battletech, and mainly with Blu since you can drop them without any worries.
However, for convenience of water washability and price, the Water Washable might actually be my fave of this test.
Thank you for the testing. You are supplying the information and comparisons that interest me. I print structural parts, usually with Siraya ABS-like Fast resin. I like the performance but less expensive would be better. :-)
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sunlu abs like black was the first resin i used with my first ever halot mage and i have not had a failed print at all yet and everything looks really good with standard exposure settings etc.
Nice video and very thorough testing. I started using Sunlu Toughness on my Anycubic Photon M5s and it's a mess. I searched for help online and stumbled onto your video. I will try to heat the resin even higher than before and try your recommended 35°C 👍
That and more transition layers, i give it 1 burn in layer(45sec) and then let it transition into the support stage depending on the thickness of the raft 15 to 25 layers. Best of luck!
@@NoizieWorks Nice I will try that. Thank you.
Ohh this should be a good one! Thumbs up straight away these have been awesome video tests! Ive got the ABS like coming today to try out! I've been wanting to try it just the name and price you think is going to be cheap rubbish but some reviews are making it seem rubbish but found a couple of true test reviews like this and the sunlu just outperformed alot of named branded one's! Im just wanting to find abit of savings in resin as printing alot just now with starting doing these large scale figures! I was doing just parts for my modelling hobby 1 bottle was lasting a month now 1 bottle lasts a week lol and at £23.99 to elegoo 2.0 abs like at £36.99 prime sale of £26 last week so got a wee saving but yeah thats some drop in price!
Really useful info !
A battle of water washable resin maybe ?
Thanks !!!
Thinking of making a resin tier-list 2023 end of the year, easy digestible and my opinion on every type of resin. What do you think?
I use the Sunlu ABS like almost exclusively. I'm curious how mixing sunlu ABSlike and toughness will work out, as the 'holy grail' of mixing Siraya fast navy gray and tenacious is a nice combination in terms of flex and strength.
Would love to see a comparison video of mixed resin from 100/0 to 50/50
I've printed 4L of 50/50 Mix ABS Like and Toughness on miniatures. It is the first resin I've ever used that actually feels like injected thermoplastic in your hand. It flexes but it's also rigid. I've used Siraya Tech Navy Grey mixed with tenacious 80/20 before and this 50/50 Sunlu mix blows it out of the water. Especially on price
This here was the comment Ive been looking for weeks.
THANK YOU
This is making me take a serious look at Sunlu. I would love it if there were a place where we could download those comparison charts.
You can always find the latest charts and prices on the last video now it's the nova3d engineer,tgm... about the public charts. I could do that but i'm afraid those are going to be ripped off distributed without credit making me loose potential new viewers interested in more then just the charts. I could also put these behind a payment option but not in to that. Btw thanks for the beer money! It does take a few weeks for 1 of those videos 😊
I mainly print miniatures and of course tabletop miniatures get dropped a lot and that leads to a lot of damaged minis. An additional test that I'd be quite interested in seeing is a standardized impact test.
Working on it 😉
sunlu is the only brand i use, on resin and fillament, INCREDIBLE for the price
I don't know if the black of water washable blocked light so the curing process warp the print more, but i can say I always get a part warping from grey water washable soo yeah...
but what I love from water washable is how easy to post process and not needing to heavily interact with alcohol is a huge relief. it gets sticky and tacky all over the place especially after dealing with siraya tech blue. Oh and the pricing here in Indonesia water washable is so much cheaper like around $24 - $32 while 4k aqua phrozen is around $50, and siraya tech blue v2 around $73 (cheapest I can find at local ecommerce rn)
Thanks for sharing!
No longer budget, price increase of $7US for Canadians lol
I say this after using them for a year and buying several hundred bottles. $25 USD for a bottle of standard resin no thanks. Then they tried to undo the damage saying you got free resin on BF/CM sales but their discount codes didn't work
I have had a little chat with them at formnext (didn't film it) and asked them why the prices on there resins swing so much. Every time i make a price comparison it changes with everything in "sale" and ok bundle sale i can understand but they didn't want to comment on why it swings so much. That said they can't keep it in stock here in the EU so they have or supply issues which is unlikely or there is so much demand that they pump the prices because they can.
Great vid, would love a follow up on this with their new abs like water washable
It's on the list!
@@NoizieWorks might I add another then 👀 anycubic water washable v2
@@hugheja89 most anyvubic resins will be tested next year, same for elegoo
Great test! All the charts you show, make it clear there are a lot of differences between the resins. Which one would be best for table top miniatures? Taking into consideration they have thin swords, might drop to the floor, ...
You would want to look at resins in the bend tests. Those that don't break are going to be very good for that purpose.
Danku! Groetjes uit België @@NoizieWorks
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It would be great if you could mix the toughness resin with the water washable and see how it changes the hardness, toughness etc. Although the water washable is tougher than the standard, I've still had minis snap if dropped from table height, my hope was if around 10-20% toughness resin was added by weight this would help solve my problem!
Thanks for the suggestion. There are plans for this testing in the future!
@@NoizieWorks well that just earned a sub right there!
So if i want something that doesn't grow and has good details and won't be too brittle? Which sunlu am I picking? I just printodels but HATE when I drop a part 10cm and it breaks in parts.
Can't go wrong with the toughness for non brittle parts and abs like if you want more stregth without being to brittle.
I can't believe I missed this video a month ago!
Just uploaded a new one 🙂
@@NoizieWorks I actually watched that one first! 😅 That's how I knew I missed this one.
@@Demante ah yes.. sounds about right 🙂
What exporuse times do you use?
Tuned for strenght or for dimensional precision?
And also what post-curing do you use, is there any additional heating?
I think most though resins get most of their thoughness with proper post-curing.
But post-curing is very fuzzy subject :/
If there isn't a profile available in chitu or now lychee i use the minimum recommended exposure times on the bottle or the company gives me the feedback upfront. The last 2 gauntlets that gave me almost perfect dimensional results (for the nut and bolt test) i let it clean in a container full of ipa and let it float into a big ultrasonic cleaner. Let it dry after that and give it 5 minutes on a timer in my uv curing chamber. Water should help make it cure better as there is no oxygen to screw around and "apparently" helps agains warping. Imo the way i do it is the way most user would do it but i'm defenitly going to try water curing in the future. It seems that there are to many ways to do post-curing and they all claim different or the same results. I even have a company claiming that with 1 of there resins post-curing isn't necessary.
@@NoizieWorks , thanks for the info!
Yes, there are too many ways for post-curing ineed.
That's why I'm interested how are others doing it.
Btw what's the resin that claims no addituonal post-curing is needed?
Nova 3d ultra clear "spoiler alert" it's up next
thanks for the extensive comparison.....what about miniatures which require also some strength as otherwise they will brake if dropped?
Then you will have to look at the stiffness charts and the push test. The resins that have the most give are going to be great like the jamg he engineering, sunlu tougness/abs like and so on.
So one thing I notice is it looks like your Sunlu ABS sample here was black. I've printed with black, light gray, dark gray, white, and two varieties of clear, and while white was too much of a pain to try any sort of durability tests with, I have noticed that black is both softer *and* more brittle than either of the grays, of which light gray is definitely the stronger in tension.
I'd really like to see these measurements re-taken with one (or both) of the two gray variants, as in my experience they're both *significantly* more durable than black, by every metric. Sunlu ABS-like dark gray is my favorite resin to print with so far, with light gray bringing up second place.
The abs sample was grey and tested in the first RTG. The black sample is water washable. It is true that color plays a role with strength but i think it's more a uv absorption difference causing higher or lower uv exposure needed for the same print dimensions. For black a higher exposure time is needed then brighter colors.
Would you consider testing the Elegoo ABS-like v3 and adding it to your charts? It came bundled with my Saturn 3 and I imagine it would be a great point of reference for newer people like me
Yes, It's on the list 🙂
Any idea how to read their manufacturing date format "G15C D04A"?
No clue 🙈
Hi, thanks for the tests. I need to know Sunlu ABS. have you tested it? In these tests I do not see the packaging. Thanks for the reply
Yes i did the testing in the first video with the conjure and added the results in this video.
Hi I make action figures as my profession and have print our prototypes for things like paint masters toy shows and promotional photography. We make 6inch highly articulated figures much like marvel legends or gi joe Classified figures and I have yet found a resin that does well when making these prototypes. The joints often break or snap. From your experience what resin would you suggest for printing
our prototypes. Also have you considered testing the Resione line of resins they have some that they claim are tough.
Thanks for your input
Landon
I would look into using sunlu abs like and if you need a bit more flexibility look into jamghe art/engineering resin, conjure tough as these all tested 1 of the best. Make sure to check out the jamg he video to see the engineering test, it's 1 of the best resins so far.
Hey there! I am currently using Sunlu PA like resin, did you test it? Great video! Take care!!
Not yet 🙂 maybe in the future!
Hi mate hows things?, quick wee story that might intrest you? Im using and testing the elegoo ABS Like 2.0 this past month i got a bad bottle the first time, the other 2 were fine but had loads crap in the resin it had to be sifted before use or could have destroyed the screen so buyer beware of this! what i did notice is i dropped a part in a bucket of water by accident and thought "oh great It'll be all that water droplet sticky now" but surprisingly it washed off! The whole print washed in water!?? So very confused tried it a again then managed to just wash the resin IPA bucket out spotless with hot soapy water! Im wondering if this new ABS Like 2.0 with it's higher near 5s normal exposure is water washable? , but nothing says it is or anything about it being any such way so either it is water washable or the wrong stuff in bottles i dunno I'm stummped but might explain such a high exposure rate from the previous ABS Like? They must have made some drastic changes to raise the normal exposure so high amd you do need a bottom layer of 30s or wont adhere to build plate! maybe if you have a bottle there you can give it a wee test or look into it?
Edit, Oh yeah and it warps like nothing I've ever used so why im thinking its a more eco resin the New Elegoo LIKE ABS 2.0 Resin the normal ABS Like is way better and prints at half the exposure this 2.0 needs! Somethings up with it there is no reviews yet on it bar 1 and the guy im speaking to is having same issues but thinks the print detail is alot better but its not! Anycubics Great UV Tough is great for detail and it's nothing to what anycubic tough even prints like! Dont get me wrong it is nice and works but i hate using higher than 3s exposure with resins theres just no really any need till you come to specialist resins really! Eco resin maybe ok for landfill (it's definitely not lol) but definitely not eco friendly on our printers thats for damb sure! Its a screen killer!
Hi i'm doing great! Hope you're having a good time to. Well abs like that needs 5s is A LOT. I have tried washing non ww resin in water with very bad experience so not sure if that's normal but it could 🤷♂️ particels are a big nono imo and like you say byby screen.
I have it from a good source that ELEGOO doesn't make there own resin and i do know who does but they asked me not to tell 🤫 i will ask my contact if he can give some more info and if they want me to ship some ELEGOO samples.
Anycubic is a lineup i would love to test in the future as i haven't been the nicest on there eco resin (it's to expensive and it sucks 😅) but they don't answer to any of my requests so i will have to buy them. Anyway in about 30 min NOVA3D is going to get live with there ultra clear resin 🙂
Hey dude, my contact got back and is asking if you could upload some pictures to mo to figure out what's going on with those chunks in the tesin. Send me a pm in gmail or insta
Hello, i need to print 1:64 scale rims. I need solid material for that, i don't need flexibility at least for now. Is abs like resin enough for me to make solid rims? thanks in advance
Abs is going to be fine i think. You need a bit otherwise it's going to be brittle and break as soon you hit a small bump. Only way is to test it
Sir for statuete 1/4 scale what you think is best? Thank you 🙏
💯% abs like
please add the sunlu high temp resin as well and the PA-like for these tests! PS: sunlu prices buying 3 or even 6 bottlems is way cheaper. Standard resin go down to 18 USD and toughness is at 30 USD!
Nice! For video i use official prices but yes there are brands giving massive deals from time to time. I thing siraya almost has a permanent 25%off last few months
It is not working with my elegoo Saturn
3 does not stay stuck to build plate.
Up the bottom exposure time to 60 seconds and try again
I've worked with Sunlu standard for a while now and the only advantage it has is that it can still print even after heavy pigmentation; other than that, it sucks. That being said, I can confirm that the Toughness one is actually really good.
BTW, Sunlu is the only reputable manufacturer that actually makes a decent green colored OPAQUE resin (Kingroon makes it too but it is hard to find and never tried their products).
Never heard about kingroon until 2 weeks ago. Are they a daugter company of something?
@@NoizieWorks I'm not sure. They popped out of nowhere but they do have official distribution centers and warehouses in Australia, UK, Mexico, Brazil, and Canada, among others. They have a bunch of clone printers and A LOT of supplies.
@nachot6592 interesting 🤔 going to reach out this year so will see what's up
@@NoizieWorks That would be great. I've seen mostly positive comments on their printers but I do have the impression they are still at the level of Creality when they released the ender 3.
I've been using Sunlu toughness on my Mars 2 by Elegoo recently and somehow the models keep being... VERY flexible. Haven't found a spreadsheet for Elegoo printers that include sunlu resin setting so far. :/
Yeah, in my testing i found it to be flexibel to unless it's thick enough. Imo it's a bit to flexibel and that's also why the strengtg tests are not that amazing. What i could be great for is mixing it with standard resins that are super stiff.
I'm worried that the different colors will influence the test results. Transparent clearly will let UV light penetrante more than black.
True but the difference is going to be very small.
I found with the clear standard resin it tends to crack after a bit .
Hollowed? Cause most resins tend to crack if it's hollowed without holes to clean out the liquid resin inside
Try Esun Hard Tough
Where is the video for Sunlu abs resin? You mentioned that you already tested the abs one.
I tested it in the conjure line up(the 1ste one)
@@NoizieWorks Perfect. I have another question. I was going to purchase Sunlu WW resin but it's sold out. So I will choose between the abs-like and the plant-based Sunlu resin. My main criterion is the smell. Have you had a chance to test the plant-based one yet?
No not yet, the abs like is very soft smelling but if the plant based is going to smell anything like the anycubic plant based it's going to be a bad time
@@NoizieWorks I guess I will go with Sunlu ABS-like resin. I found your video to be the most helpful.
Can you add in an impact test to your tests?
Sure can but maybe it's something for a separate video?
@@NoizieWorks Yeah that would be cool!
I have it and I’m not happy as elegoo resine
I'm looking forward to testing Elegoo
I bought sunlu neylon-like and wasn't even able to detach the print from the bed. The thing's cracked. It's even worse than anycubic standard resin...
The nylon likenhas yet to be tested on the channel but thank you for sharing your experience! (Btw try sunlu abs)
can someone please suggest a resin that can be used to make something similar to key chain tags? the kind of plastic the is very strong yet slightly flexible? thank you (please give my comment a thumbs up if you reply so i am notified)
I would look into sunlu toughness,jamghe engineering,sunlu abs,conjure tough and siraya tenacious in that order
Sunlight abs-like balances strength and flexibility. Think LEGO in terms of characteristics.
czcams.com/video/pZ-Yb5-R4KM/video.html If your printing minis you still want minis that wont break if swords/weapons break at a slight bend or are accidently dropped from 3-4 feet. The stiffness test seemed to confirm that SUNLU ABS would be good for minis especially with the price point. Thanks for the vid
I am sorry but saying any resin will work for mini's is just wrong. Mini's in most cases are essentially toys and thus need to withstand that abuse more or less. This is why i am still on edge about printing minis. Only about 50% of the mini's i use are printed and I am having to fix them all the time as to compared to my reaper or GW mini's haven't had to touch any of them in years.
What i try to say with that is that any resin is capable of printing a mini, not that it's the best choice 😉
the moment you start smelling that directly from the bottle you become an unreliable source
Does is it make you feel better if i'm a hypocrite and do it behind the scene to tell you if it stinks or not?
Lol isnt this stuff toxic? Dudes taking big ol whiffs
Yes it is toxic for prolonged use so make sure to ventilate the room while printing it.