Star Wars - Are the Special Editions bad?
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- The Star Wars alterations for the 1997 special editions have gotten lots of criticism over the years. How much do you agree with? James discusses the Star Wars Special Edition changes in this video. Twitter James ► / cinemassacre
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My personal favorite is the special edition where Darth Vader reveals he is also a fucking scorpion.
karnovrpg and fish!
Disco fuck yourself.
Also kind of weird that Luke was fighting him so early in the story
Better if he's a certain MK Scorpian.
karnovrpg Star Wars:Mortal Kombat Edition
The special editions aren't the problem. George Lucas' refusal to have the original theatrical cuts released and make the special editions the only version available is.
Very true.
I agree. We should be given the option to buy either the original version or the edited version. I would definitely buy the original, maybe the edited.
Except the original theatrical cuts were NEVER RELEASED ON VIDEO. Also, the original cut of Episode IV (then just called Star Wars) was terrible. Thankfully, it was changed to something watchable.
Then, the "original theatrical release" of Star Wars was changed almost immediately. You've never even seen the original Star Wars movie unless you saw it in theaters in 1977 and even that was only the highly edited version that was made watchable by Marcia Lucas. Even that version included several stupid scenes included for stupid reasons, like the fact that Obi Wan dies rather anti-climatically because the actor wanted to stop being in the terrible movie.
Imagine if Queen went back and auto-tuned Bohemian Rhapsody and said it was the definitive version. Even if the original was available, you'd still be asking, "What the fuck, Queen?"
BattleUp Saber its like if Freddy mercury wanted to do another version of bohemiam rhapsody and that would be okey, a lot of musicians do that, but erasing the original versión so the fans can only hear the new versión cause to the author, everything that he said in the originals was a lie, that would be stupid and selfish, specially for an important song for the music industry, just like star wars for the Cinema industry. it felt less like adding a new spin of a well known story, and more like ignoring the story itself
Fun fact: the Library of Congress doesn’t have Star Wars in it. George refused to give them the original print, and tried giving them the Special Edition
oof
Gotta wonder what message a librarian sends back that means “fuck this shit”
Coolbean94vevo Oh Sneaky George, how stupid he was to think he could get around the frikin *LIBRARY OF CONGRESS*
the library of congress does have a copy in good quality but they had to do their own restoration. they wanted a new copy in better quality so they wouldn't have to do their own restoration. but they do have copies that are in good condition.
Truly sad.
I really want to make the “customizable special editions” idea you had real so bad
Look up Adywans Revisited
Its a really good idea, if the mouse were more cleaver, it would listen this guy
Victor Raul Santivañez Rosriguez It’s not an innocent mouse anymore it’s a dirty rat
Same
I agree. I grew up with the special editions and even tho I prefer the unaltered versions, there are some changes that I would love to keep in. But until that happens, we're pretty much stuck with what we have.
You know what was unforgivable? Replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen as a force ghost in Return of the Jedi. That still annoys the hell out of me.
DonCorleone93 that also surprised and annoyed me that Lucas decided to do that, and this is coming from someone who actually enjoys the prequels and accepts the flaws they have (the original trilogy isn't perfect either).
completely agree.
Agree, that's the one that I dislike the most, I can forgive most of the other changes, in fact I like quite a few of them, but this is the one that just pissed me off.
Not only did they replace Sebastian Shaw's head with that of Hayden Christensen (they awkwardly pasted his head on top of Shaw's body), but they then also forgot to credit Hayden Christensen during the end credits. What a complete failure!
That's one change I liked, sebastian shaw is supposed to portray him as how the dark side of the force affected Anakin. Seeing ascending as a force ghost is a trait of the light side of the force, it just makes more sense that he would ascend as how he looked prior to be corrupted by the dark side.
The changes in of themselves weren't the main issue for me. The main issue was that they took the original versions out of print at one point, and never reissued them.
Andrew Vrba That really is the issue. I mean, you can still buy the shitty theatrical version of Blade Runner in addition to the director's cut/final cut, but you can't buy Star Wars without CGI dinosaurs pasted over Mos Eisley?
very true..im like james there were things i really enjoyed and didnt enjoy with the special editions... really lame that Lucas was forcing (no pun intended) his newer version when the originals were around for decades and beloved...plus im surprised there wasnt a release of the Originals to make bank profits.
For someone called "Angry Videogame Nerd" this is one of the chillest dudes I've ever watched on this website
This isn't the AVGN. It's a Cinemassacre review featuring the actor who plays the AVGN. Big difference.
@@Syklonus No shit Sherlock
@@Syklonus
No way??? You serious??? No one would've known!
-_-
@@uhhwhateverdude9463 be chill like James.
"Star Wars: Special Special Edition where all the guns have been digitally replaced with walkie talkies"
Turtle Guy storm troopers have big walkie talkies
Or in LEGO Star Wars where all the guns are bananas.
At least it could have been thermal detonators.
And the Banthas have been replaced with coconut halves that the Sandpeople clop together.
I think ur talking about ET
I absolutely HATE the CG Jabba scene. We get enough background information about Han's situation, but more importantly we get the build-up to the Jabba reveal in Return of The Jedi. I remember as a kid thinking, "Who is Jabba the Hutt? What is a Hutt?!" Seeing him right out of the gate in Ep. IV ruins that.
Jonathan Miller It only makes sense if you watch the prequels before the original trilogy then you already know who he is and the scene makes sense.
Besides, it was a restoration of an old idea.
Blank Blank Jabba's appearance was only very very brief in the prequel.
Thank you I was coming down here to say that myself lmao
@wespozo You don't understand the concept of a strong character introduction, or the tension that a set up and payoff over the course of 3 movies creates. You simply watch these movies because: "woah that costume looks cool" and "vroom, vroom, badass lightsaber fight!! Pew pew spacehips". Thank you for being part of the population that ruined this franchise.
Agree all the way! The effect we got in ROTJ “ohh so that’s Jabba!! “ not knowing what he looks like or anything is what makes it interesting and is keeping it all together. Because we bever saw Jabba before but we’ve heard about him, that made it extra interesting. IMO the scene doesn’t belong in ANH.
shoutout to the De-Specialized Editions
I'm annoyed it wasn't mentioned, tremendous work.
Episode IV is now available in the form of a 35mm print from the original 1979 or whatever release.
It sucked. Pointless job.
Yeah, it's the best way to watch these movies, amazing work.
Since acquiring the de-specialized editions. I will never go back to the special editions again. I think that if the special editions were the way the films were originally I think they wouldn't have got the praise they got originally. The practical effects is what made those movies great. Now they look like they have aged terribly with their 90s CG.
Four years later we have Maclunkey to add to the mix on the Greedo scene.
Never understood that scene till now!
the disney+ version of a new hope is "Maclunky!".
how does killing an alien bounty hunter who is pointing a gun at you and telling you hes going to enjoy killing you make you a "cold blooded killer"? lol
Neo-Mad Dog he distracted him with his words while he unfastenedd his pistol from his gun belt...if he didnt use his words he probably would have been killed before he could defend himself...
That fact - that Greedo had a gun pointed at Han, and said he was going to enjoy killing Han - makes Lucas' rationale IMO complete horseshit.
I think it was shooting Greedo in the spaceballs without emotion that made him a total badass.
Because George Lucas doesn't understand his own movie. This is the scene that establishes Han as a criminal and shady character, which makes his story arc where he comes back at the end to help instead of being selfish and leaving more satisfying.
See I remember han just shooting and greedo erupting in flames. I dont think I remember greedo holding a gun. And it's so much cooler that way
I am okay with the special editions, I am not okay with forcing EVERYONE to buy this version and not letting people get the original updated theatrical release.
Great attitude..
Lol no one is forcing anyone to buy the special editions. If a few stupid additions are enough to make u hate the entire trilogy then say goodbye to Star Wars and move on.
Mo Luj these toxic unoriginal social media cretin cunts ruin the franchise Lucas made it and can do whatever the fuck he wasn’t with it and there pathetic self entitlement makes them think they own the franchise
@@liamholloway-sw7eu Has nothing to do with self-entitlement, if someone takes a piece of media that you love dearly and butchers it you're supposed to just take it sitting down? You can't have a desire to see something changed?It's not about feeling like it must be given to us, it's about trying to improve the situation that something is in. Same things happens with other types of consumables every day, nobody should feel bad for desiring to improve a situation instead of just accepting things no matter what.
James Ortiz you’re a fucking idiot with what you just said if someone takes a piece of media someone that someone is lucas who fucking created Star Wars you stupid douche he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it no one own it’s now I hate what Disney have done with it that’s a different matter they bought it and know shit all over it but lucas changing his own creation which he has every right to seen as though he created it is no the same as someone else doing it. That’s the way I looked at the special edition some things I like some things I really disliked but I respect lucas for bringing me Star Wars and what he did with it even if some of it wasn’t special it was always special to me until Disney came along
My least favorite change by far was making Vader say "No." when he sees Luke getting electrocuted.
The magic of that scene was that Vader is wearing a mask, and you can't see his face, but you know what he's thinking and how he's feeling. You see the way he looks at Palpatine, his face contorted in anger, he's just trying make Luke suffer.
Then he looks back at Luke, his son, laying on the ground begging his father to save him, and he takes one last look at Palpatine before silently betraying his master and killing him.
No words, no facial expression. Just pure, raw, body language.
Then Lucas shit all over it by making him say "Noooo!" like a whiny child.
Joke’s on us and Vader, 2019 ruined for us.
Cry about it ya baby
Seriously i never saw a problem with this change, i thought the scene was powerful regardless
Skylar Bost subtlety goes a long way
Me personally I didn’t mind it
Star wars was originally on the big screen in 1977. 20 years later, in 1997, it was on the big screen again. Its been 20 years. Its 2017. Bring it back again!
40 years actually
They would re-release ALL the six films in chronological order and in 3D but Phantom Menace flopped, so...
@@jerelminter No, he meant from '97 to '17.
@@jerelminter
He obviously meant *another* 20 years, genius.
They were in the theaters again a few times in the 80s
Putting young Anakin in the place of the old one as a ghost fucking sucked.
Eryk Pawlik
To be fair, Sebastian Shaw had no right to be there either. It should have been David Prowse.
Karrota Kun David Prowse was too young... They needed an older guy to play the older Vader...
Agreed. They choose Shaw because he looked like Obi-wan. Some how Lucas wanted to tie the two together. When in fact Anakin changed to Vader at a younger age. Think using Prowse would of been perfect for the time. IMO. Also why isn't Anakin speaking to Rey in episode 7? He has the same ghost powers as Yoda and Obi-wan!
+Shatamx Too bad he didn't appear to Ben/Ren and say, "Yo, stop worshipping me. I fucked up."
Stonysensei
Lmao. Plot hole!
It wouldn't even make sense for Greedo to shoot. I'm pretty sure Jabba wanted him alive.
It didn't make sense for Luke to scream as he fell at the end of Empire either, but that didn't stop senile old Lucas.
Why did Luke have the Emperor's scream?
Matthew glosser a bounty hunter disobeying an order no way that can’t fucking happen 😂🤦♂️ This is how delusional you fanboys can be I don’t agree with everything lucas did with the special editions and the prequels but I love and respect the guy for bringing me Star Wars and there his movies he created it he can do what he wants with them if people don’t like it tough shit get over it what’s worse is what Disney have done with the franchise not what lucas did which were just minor flaws and some bad decision making but nothing is perfect even the fucking overrated empire strikes back is far from perfect
@@liamholloway-sw7eu I'm with you, I absolutely hate punctuation. Such a waste of time.
Christopher T. Believing that using punctuation on social media makes you some what clever is hilarious...... 😂😂😂😂 well done mr safety!
I’d love if AVGN made a video doing the “customized version” of the Star Wars movies, talking about every single change
I actually like that they changed Yub Nub. That was a fun little song but Victory Celebration just felt more on a Galactic scale and it really hits hard when they showed all the other planets celebrating the fall of the Empire. It just feels more like a conclusion than Yub Nub.
You left out the worst change of all. Vader shouting "NOOOOOO!" before he saves Luke.
That's my third most hated, right after the perfotmance in Jabba's palace and the ghost of young Anakin.
Yeah, but he's talking about the Special Editions. Everything after them aren't the Special Editions. They're THE editions. The Vader scream didn't come until 2006, so technically not a change in the actual Special Editions. Thank goodness I have a 2004 copy. I never got over them cutting out Lapti Nek, though. That was a great number.
@@pianotm That would actually be 2011 when the scream was added.
NO!!!
That noooo part was funny 😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
There is no more special edition than Harmy's despecialized
Robert Szasz Where can I find it?
ttv0 Google it
I'd love to know a expertly restored 8k scan of a master print was made for historical sake if nothing else, but Harmy's work comes as close to Lucas's original vision at release as is possible right now.
QuadWrestlingFan92 I did, I couldn't find anything otherwise I wouldn't be asking
No you didn't I just googled "harmys despecialized" and everything you need to know comes up, even the fucking wiki page.
I suspect that most would agree some of the Special Edition changes worked and some of them didn't, but what Lucas ultimately failed to realise was, the fans who had supported him all these years really needed a choice, the chance to make their own mind up what to watch, because no matter how unfinished Star Wars was to him, those original movies turned out to be a lot more special to us than he realised.
In the New Hope SE I found Han stepping on Jabba's tail questionable.
One of the recurring themes was the Hutts being a real threat to the main characters, non-force using characters. Yet when he was face to face with his very unbosslike gangster boss; Han punks Jabba with physical disrespect, a move that would surely draw a very hostile reaction from the gangsters bodyguards.
The one change I cannot stand is Darth Vader's "No!" scream added into his redemption scene in Return of the Jedi. What made that scene work so well was that you didn't need words or facial expressions to see that Vader was feeling conflicted as Palpatine was shocking Luke. That was the most important scene of the movie, and it was perfect the way it was originally and didn't need any unnecessary additions like that "No!" scream they added in.
Yeah, the fact that you could see a mask feel emotions through the use of framing and whatnot made it work really well, adding NOOOOOO really kills all that, like what the hell Jorge
MetalSmasherGaming that "nooo" scream is fucking disgusting. And unnatural as hell.
Agreed. That scene was great as it originally was. I remember seeing that in the theater as a kid and the crowd went batshit when Vader came to Luke's aid. Everyone was cheering and jumping out of their seats. It was powerful and awesome as it was... it didn't need to be changed.
Thank goodness Spielberg reversed his decision on that and fixed that for later issues of the movie. Too bad Lucas never learned that lesson too.
@Frizzurd What, what, WHAT? You're... You're not kidding, are you.
@KabukiKid Ohhh, good hearing it.
The NOOOOOOO is Return of the Jedi ruins the great moment.
Ankka939 This pissed me off more than anything else. That was the culmination of Darth Vaders arc, and Lucas decided that Jones' voice yelling "NOOO" needed to be revisited after it was the most ridiculed thing in Revenge of the Sith. How? How did that seem remotely appropriate?
TheDirtyHarry88 I like to think that Vader yelled a primal, guttural scream of pain, but his suit could only read it as NOOO!
***** I'd assume so (I don't know about the color correction). Do you know about the "Despecialized" fan made versions of the OT? They essentially take the blueray version (and a LOT of other sources) and turns it into the original theatrical version without sacrificing any quality! (well...at least as much as possible) It's been in the works for many years, and did finish somewhat recently. Check it out if you haven't!
***** My internet isn't that good, but I could download one episode in just a few hours. (Even while doing other stuff) Also...you could just watch it on your pc, no need for a blueray burner.
+Ankka939 I'm with you there. He didn't need to say anything at all, the "NOOOOOO" just spoils it.
One change I can get behind is when they added a sound effect to that storm trooper hitting his head on a door in A New Hope.
just an eskimo passing by
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Disney+ version: MACLUNKEY
Hasbro: EqUeStIa
Divirato Yes, I BET you have.
"No one:
Absolutely no one:"
That doesn't mean anything. Just because you've seen several million other people type the same thing doesn't give it any meaning in the English language. Have you always been a follower?
MaClUnKeY
"No one said nothing"
The new Jabba scene was the point where I realized something was wrong. Jabba is a threatening mob boss, but in that scene he comes off as a wimp. Han uses a patronizing tone and very deliberately steps on Jabba. Showing disrespect like that, especially in front of Jabba's men, should have gotten Han killed for it.
When you phrase it like that, the scene totally deflates any of the threat/menace that Jabba was supposed to pose to the main characters.
we all know the original scene had a human playing jabba and he simply walked around him
[wasn't he a little human to be a hutt]
Agreed with that scene left in It gives the impression that Han Solor isn't really afraid of Jabba but he clearly is in the original film the following 2 films.
Jabba isnt the muscle type of mob boss though.. I feel like it kinda makes sense he is all scary and intimidating when hes with all his men and on his land speeders... but when hes not hes a little bitch
My problem is the sequence doesnt add any new information to the story and just pads the runtime. Everything Jabba says was pretty much spoken by Greedo in the Cantina. Its insulting the audience.
I just want an ultimate edition of StarWars where you can turn on what special editions you want and don't want.
That’s god level.
Yeh
One of the big problems, is that the CGI that they used in 1997, is starting to look really outdated. Like the womp rats in Mos Eisley and the dewbacks on Tatooine are really not holding up any more.
And most of all Jabba and if I'm being honest they never got him right
Thank God for the Despecialized Editions!!
Yeah they are awesome, harmy saved star wars
Cry some more if there’s anything to moan about it’s what Disney have fucking done to the franchise not lucas making a few fucking changes that self entitled bitch boys feel they deserve to have a say on
@@Strugen. I watch Despecialized Star Wars and Empire at least once a year. RIP Star Wars 1977-1980 (okay, ROTJ's not THAT bad...)
@Blood Gourd compared to the prequels ROTJ is a masterpiece
@@Strugen. and compared to the sequels it's the godfather
I like that idea of custom movies.
+Cyril ViXP That is a bit different. The FD3 DVD was more of a video game than an actual cut. You made choices as the characters that significantly altered the flow/plot of the movie, and those choices weren't clarified beforehand as to their impact, a la Choose Your Own Adventure.
Rolfe's "interactive movie" is someone basically turning on and off AV preferences/scenes. They still maintain the same structure and conclusion.
encycl07pedia Think something like that could work for the movies though. Right before the movie starts, you select certain scenes to play off during the movie. Only other way, would be to edit them yourself...just like those Anti-Cheese versions that I've enjoyed watching of the prequels here on CZcams.
Custom Star Wars is a billion dollar idea. Just don't tell James!
Every scene, so dense... Like poetry...
Fuck you Rick Berman. You ruined this too?! Wait... you are not Rick Berman. What is with Ricks?
It's gonna be YUGE...
MadSeason it took 7 years to make.
Oh God Red Letter Media memes are overflowing into other channels.
Jerbsinator Oh no... OH NO! I hear RedLetterMedia is inside my brain. Somebody please make it stop
I found a fan-made (from laser discs?) "Despecialized Editions" of the Star Wars Original Trilogy and they're good to watch. And unfortunately that's the closest you'll likely get to an HD original theatrical version of the Star Wars trilogy.
There is 35mm print scans for Star Wars and Return of the Jedi. 4k77 and 4k83. 4k80 is supposed to be released at a later date.
@@matthewgaudet4064 we will probably be 90 years old when that happens, if it happens at all
@@77LUCKYNUMBER77 , for 4K80. With a single reel done. And 5 more to go i hope it does not take another 5 years. What is the best version of the theatrical at the moment the grindhouse 35mm or Despecialized. I only have seen the Puggo 16mm transfer.
@@77LUCKYNUMBER77 It's out! April 2024 and people are still working on the fan edits. The quest is "complete" if you will but wow.
Fun story: I was in a film class at uni around 2006 or so and I was in a lecture of about four hundred, watching Return of the Jedi. When it came to the end, where Lucas replaced old Anakin with young Anakin, some dude in the back of this massive lecture hall yells out "What the fuck??!"
Wasn't the fact what we DON'T SEE the Jabba, we only hear about him being very scary - pretty important?
Shhhh... You're making too much sense
Your mistake was watching the prequels to begin with
KOTYAR0 My family saw the Jabba in the hanger scene and said the movie was ahead of its time,
not even knowing it wasn't the original version they were watching.
The fact that Han steps on the tail of the most notorious gangster in the galaxy kind of takes away from his mystique.
Jabba was supposed to be a feared gangster, you don't disrespect Carlo Gambino when he has you surrounded, Han wasn't cold blooded he was defending himself.
Empire was mostly alright EXCEPT why, why WHY did Lucas add a scream to Luke's fall? It changes the tone from a noble sacrifice to like... He fucking slipped. Oops.
James
I can just imagine that scene with a director screaming *"CUT"*
I think it’s pretty believable that even if someone willingly jumped, they’d still scream if they thought they were falling to their death. I would still agree its yet another unnecessary change though.
It was only in the 1997 version.
Thankfully the scream was removed for the DVDs and every release since.
Han shooting Greedo under the table was my dad's favorite scene in the movie when we saw it in the theater in 1977. He laughed out loud!
There's a great Semi-Specialized edition floating around that keeps what the Specials did well and leaves out the more ridiculous changes, all in HD.
I think they can skip Jaba, it gives it more of a mystery until you see him.
Ghost L Agreed.
And if Han was really stepping aggressively on Jabba's tail, he was already dead at the beginning
True, it actually makes him more intimidating. We hear about this space mob-boss but never see him untill the third installment.
The special edition makes him look rather incompetent and cartoony (not because of the CGI) in his manner.
CGI Jabba: you can step on his tail and make him squeak, like a doggy toy! ROTJ Jabba: look at him the wrong way and he'll feed you to some ungodly monster.
The "Han isn't a cold-blooded killer" excuse is the most bullshit excuse for changing that scene. Greedo had a gun pointed at Han and was threatening to deliver him to a crime lord so he could collect his bounty. Han had every right to pull that trigger for self-preservation. Plus, doesn't it really add to his character arc, making the guy who'd do anything to survive end up as a respected member of the Rebel Alliance?
The Satellite I agree man. The original scene was perfect for Han.
Han IS a little heartless sometimes, especially in A New Hope. Besides, the scene doesn't even come across that he's waiting to be attacked before defending himself. It happens so quickly that he looks unprofessional instead.
Ah yes, they added one new rock to the scene with R2D2 on tatooine in a new hope
I think its a good adition to actually make it so that he is actualy hidden
@@rdc2021 How did R2 get in there tho? Its dumb.
@@Bassquake76 side waddeling behind the rock
@@rdc2021 Well, what does that add to the plot? The only thing it does is make r2d2 hard to see. It was just unnecessary.
@@lambeezy5014 thats the point, he is hiding, but before he wasnt hidden very well
Biggs reuniting with Luke is my favorite scene that they put back in
Oh my God, someone make Interactive Star Wars happen!
Wow, no mention of Lucas's ex wife receiving royalties on the of trilogy thus he had to make all the odd changes to stop paying her? That's an important fact, telling of his motivations.
~is that what this is about? petty ex-wife spite from george? . . .
jedi fu I can't say I'm shocked by that.
No worries, soon it will all be owned by Disney. Then we will have to see if they ever re-release the originals.
John McDonald Exept episode iv
Fox owns distribution rights to episode IV and Disney is in talks to purchase Fox movie studios. If they do then they will own it all.
I'm sure it's been mentioned, but the band in Jabba's palace was added specifically to show off 3D. I remember seeing all of the SE releases in theaters in 3D.
The added CGI to me just looked out of place in many of the scenes. I'm somebody who prefers practical effects instead so that could be why. The prequel to The Thing wasn't as good as the original because of its reliance on CGI. The original was so much more terrifying because the alien things looked so real.
I totally agree, CGI doesn't age very well too
the saddest thing is the Thing prequel had practical fx before the studio insisted to CG over it
Yes
John Smith good cgi will always look better than prop aliens but that’s cgi done well and there also things practical effects do better than cgi.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines they had planned on using practical effects.
I didn't mind the 1997 changes, after that...... it was a bit overboard. And they need to rerelease the original despecialized
8-Bit Eric Lukes scream in empire?
You've never seen the original movie.
The biggest one, probably the only one I REALLY take issue with beyond mild annoyance or indifference, is the added "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" in Return of the Jedi. Vader didn't need to shout in order for us to get what he was thinking/going through.
The Creeper I own every version ever made.
The Darth Vader NOOOO at the end of ROTJ was total BS
They aren't bad on their own, but not having access to the original versions makes the Special Editions cultural vandalism.
All of the Jabba scene info in Star Wars is in the Greedo subtitles, and it's a very bad inclusion.
Exactly.
The biggest disservice to Star Wars ever?! Oh wait, this was published before Episode 8...
Thank God for Harmy's Despecialized editions, it's all one would ever need.
aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa Ye there good, although reverting some of the lightsaber edits and the explosions does make it worse in some places.
TheInsaneComputer Gamer I think the intention is that they wanted to revert the digital compositing to the Vanilla one, problem is that they are working with really poor washed-out Laserdiscs and 16mm prints, and they can only use 35mm footage so much before they get a C&D
Harmy is a great Jedi, in my opinion.
Theatrical editions we like, not these crude Special Editions.
How do you even get those? I've been all over the original trilogy site and can't find a way to get hold of them.
If you wanna watch the original cuts go on porn hub and type in Star Wars I'm serious
Myspleen works again?
Wow, I didn't realize how much had been changed. I can see why people prefer the originals.
Kind of like the origional cut of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie i found on Porn hub. The movie is a lot different. I feel it's better by far.
Liam Bianco or hopefuly you still own a VHS/Laser Disc player, & go out, & buy the original versions.
Hihi
I have the Harmy's Despecialized Edition edition, look it up it's pretty good
The quality of the special editions is irrelevant. They could be a massive improvement on the originals, making them all twice as good. It doesn't matter. The point is that the original Star Wars is a massive milestone in the history of film, one that a lot more people than just George were responsible for. It's horrid that there's a potential for the original version of the film to not be legally seen ever again. Star Wars is one of the most important films ever, and it's incredibly frustrating that because of one man's ego, you can't see them. Part of why Star Wars was so successful was the special effects, pacing and set design. The Special Edition changes or obscures all of those. The Library of Congress asked for a print of the film, for preservation, and George is only willing to give them the 1997 version. The 1997 version isn't the one that got nominated for 10 oscars and launched the largest franchise in history! As a student of film history, studying the 1997 version is pointless, unless you're specifically looking at remasters.
No, it IS RELEVANT. Some changes are the equivalent of your own noob kid adding something bad to your piece of art that you know it will last decades, you're MIGUELANGELO btw - if you had a kid -
The restored Jabba scene hurts the continuity of the series. Jabba looks and acts different in the scene compared to the way he is in Return of the Jedi.
mayb due to the fact that rotj is 5 years after a new hope
Da-vid is right, I had a CGI uncle that morphed into a nearly unrecognizable puppet in just 5 years time. It was pretty shocking, but it really turned me around on the special editions.
Maybe jabbas pregnant in return of the Jedi and he wants Leia to nurse the youngling when it's born
@nnnnnnnnnnnn HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you killed me xD
Aurora Uplinks never thought of that it makes sense
For me, I hated when Obi Wan and Luke were riding into town. Every scene just had so much crap going on and blocking them.
So... we’re not yet ready to admit the original 3 films were always a bit shit then? Ok.
I loved the end of Return of the Jedi, the score was my favourite and they they scroll through all the planets and star systems that celebrated the emperor’s death, then on Corruscant where the old Jedi Temple stands alone like it’s seen some shit...it was a really powerful and intimate moment for me.
Looks like Han can use the force too. That dodge was super fast.
If you pay attention Han Solo did not Dodge the blast Greedo missed. If you pay close attention Han does not move a single muscle. Greedo is just a bad shot. If you ever read the book you would know that grito is not a bounty hunter, just a thug trying to get into Jabba the Hutt's graces.
@@BondFreek Lego star wars Skywalker saga would disagree
A customizable version sounds good.
Great review! Very funny!
As for Lucas saying "Films are never finished - only abandoned."? Fuck that. Sure, I get it. Songs are never finished, as there is always another way to arrange it, mix it, etc... The same goes for paintings. But you can't take the Mona Lisa and keep adding stuff to it and expect it to have the same artistic expression. Art thrives on restrictions, and the original Star Wars cuts reflect that. The more shit you throw on top of the movies, the more they suck.
He speaks from an artist perspective. And that's what many artists felt when reflecting on their work. It's a curse to see imperfections on masterpieces, and that's why I have sympathy for Lucas's intention.
That's why James Rolfe advocated to have the original and the altered versions available for everyone to choose so not limit our choices. If we have all the options, we can not worry about future edition changes.
Edited: Oh great, I realized I missed a verb between "artists" and "when." You see, that's the kind of curse I'm talking about.
avenuePad it's interesting you mention the Mona Lisa because "art is never finished, only abandoned" is a quote attributed to DaVinci.
David Goble Ha! That is funny. And if Da Vinci could be resurrected somehow, would we really want him to be able to change it?
Evan Pan-Bao I know he speaks from an artist's perspective. That's exactly what I was talking about in my original comment - about how artists (painters, musicians, directors, poets, etc...) always have a hard time knowing when a project is finished.
Sure we can an option for the original and the new editions. If you want to watch shitty versions of the Star Wars movies, that is.
He would probably want to rethink the technical choices in "The Last Supper". According to reports at the time, within 20 years it was already falling apart and the Mona Lisa has faded considerably. Only careful reconstruction over several centuries has kept them from disappearing entirely. Who knows if he thought those works would even last? George Lucas certainly didn't about his films. The merchandise was a different story. At least we can all have a Jar Jar Binks doll of our very own, though.
I think there is a huge difference between the mediums. Like, I think you can far more convincingly and smoothly add changes to a painting than a film. Paintings don't have to worry about editing and pacing problems. Or the visibly jarring differences of several decades worth of special effects technologies slapped together to create a cgi-matte painting-practical effects hybrid monster. But them's just my two cents.
The two changes I hate the most are the dubbing of Boba Fett in The Empire strikes back (the actor for Jango Fett now says the lines) and Hayden Christianson in Return of the Jedi (originally it was the Actor who played Vader without the scared and deformed makeup) these people were a piece of Star Wars history that, over time, were edited out. It seems rude, even if they are George’s movies.
I love the idea of check your own options on the movie some day. He just throws it in there at the end, but it's a great idea and I do think it will be available like 20 years from now when George is gone.
"Films are never finished, if you can earn more money from them" - George Lucas
Exactly.
Oh Gosh
+Space Dandy George Lucas donated the five billion dollars he got from the sale of Lucasfilms.
George "Todd Howard" lucas
Now that's a cynical viewpoint if I've ever seen one.
By FAR the most infuriating thing about the Special Editions was the Jabba scene added to A New Hope. The Jabba I know from Return of the Jedi would not go ANYWHERE. He would bring YOU to HIM. And he sure as hell wouldn't let you just step on his fucking tail and make him squeal like a bitch. Han would have lost his nuts over a thing like that.
I actually have the original trilogy on VHS, and they are some of the oldest versions around. Probably not THE original, but they don't have Hayden Christianson at the end of RotJ.
That's cool
I own the originals on VHS--I cherish them!
Yep, when they said it was the last time it was ever going to be on home video, I guess they were not kidding! Not many people uphold a 20 year old marketing gimmick, but Lucas is probably super OCD like that.
I have the original trilogy on Laser Disk and its a amazing
@@LSTNSCRFN Oh lucky! I literally bought a tape-splicing kit in case mine break!
I disagree with the Jaba scene. I think less is more and not knowing what he looks like until Jedi adds a lot more I think.
Also it basically ruins Jabba as a character, Han WALKS OVER HIS TAIL and he lets him get away with it ? Fuck that. Jabba should have ordered his men to shoot Han to pieces.
Not to mention Han walking around him looks absolutely terrible.
Jabba also "inflates" between A New Hope and Jedi now since they drew over a human sized actor in the original film. Also, all of the exposition in that scene was transferred to Empire and the Palace scene in Jedi after it was cut so it's completely redundant to add it back.
(Pstt.... the despecialized edition.... Google it ;D )
youb beat me to it
EXACTLY
Don’t forget the Adywan Revisited!
I respect the great and powerful Jabba but that new scene was horrendous and unnecessary. Solo's debt to Jabba was implied in the original.
Yes thank you
Those are the only ones I've ever watched. I love them. It would feel weird to watch different, older versions now.
Yes that's exactly how we felt when they replaced the versions we grew up with lol
There is a certain unexplainable spirit that is contained in the originals that is not found in the special editions.
I hope you will know what I mean when you see the theatricals.
Some changes are good, other are pointless. Some of them are pretty subjective and will differ from person to person like Hayden Christiansen at the end of jedi.
Bad example. I think Hayden at the end of RotJ is awful.
Alexplorer Good for you. If it was a bad example, people wouldn't argue over it.
Everyone agrees with me on this.
Alexplorer Prove.
***** People argue about it all the time.
Sadly, the Special Editions of the original Trilogy is all I know :(
Sadly, people just hate the special editions because it's cool to hate them.
It's the same reason people like Episode VII even though it was a horrible movie.
Not true, they change the tone of the original films and hide the excellent practical effects work in many scenes with distracting and poorly implemented CGI crap. They also shoehorn in that AWFUL song in Jedi. They have some great changes like the Cloud City background additions but the parts that people hate are the parts that add stupid comedy or dumb things down to entertain children. People hate them because they make the classic films that were good more like the horrendous prequels.
Ignorance is a bliss. :D
Give Harmy's Despecialized editions a try. They're the best representation of the original trilogy to date.
ep 7 was good
The Biggs scene in Episode 4, as well as most of the visual effects changes to the Death Star battle are both good changes.
Even before the 2004 DVDs were released many bootleggers from Asia poorly transferred the Laserdisc releases to DVD, and before the GOUT DVDs were released in 2006 many fans transferred the Laserdiscs on the internet (2:42)
James, I don't have a problem with the special editions as stand alone "editions" of the films. I think the problem many Star Wars purists have, including me, is what they point out in "The People vs. George Lucas": During the process of making the special editions, he physically DESTROYED the original film reels. So now (at least according to the people who made the documentary) its literally IMPOSSIBLE for someone like 20th Century Fox or Disney to go back and re-release the original -- or at least the MOST original -- version of the films using the original reels... Thats fucked up, and George's reasoning is that the special edition is how it was supposed to be all along. Even though its his work, he literally destroyed a piece of film history to feed his ego. I don't think people would appreciate Francis Ford Coppola going back and destroying the reels for The Godfather to add a CGI version of a horse's head
^ THIS. The tinkering and bastardization of the ORIGINAL films is butchering valuable art! Those original reels should have been preserved as a piece of cultural, cinematic, historical, and art history. You want to tinker Georgie? Fine, release new slapped together versions every 5 years for all I care, but WHY IN GOD'S NAME would you be so arrogant to forever alter a piece of cinematic history?
I think its a shame but i understand his choice.
funny enough they did change those films along with apocalypse now.
Blade Runner had quite a few different releases, and I believe most or all of them are available in modern formats. Lucas' decision is an insult to fans and the preservation of one of history's most important films of all time.
Oddly, the newer cuts are better. The voice-over version sucked.
I like the sunny scene at the end of the original, but I can't unsee those wires suspending the _flying_ cars now. Even the Director's Cut still had them. They didn't disappear until the Final Cut.
Still the original had Roy call his creator "fucker" instead of "father", and showed the more graphic gouging of his eyes. The later cuts wussed out of one or the other.
Can't these senile old fools Lucas and Scott just leave the movies alone? Obsessive compulsive bullshit; "Have to make it perfect. It's never perfect."
Ultimately a movie is a work of art, and you don't do art specifically to please certain people. It's your own work.
Yet at some point, you have to walk away from your art and let it speak for itself.
We say that now but we'll be adding AT-ATs and wampa ice creatures to our Cool Spot video once we get some better editing software.
Yeah, who comes back and changes their own art every few years? To put crap in it.
One of the changes I really disliked was the when they added a yell to Luke's fall in Empire Strikes Back. Luke chose to fall and die instead of joining his father, adding a yell completely destroys that scene.
The special edition of Final destination (I think it's part 3) has this option on the disk, you can choose the option of the movie stopping just before all the death scenes and you can choose options for the characters to perform and in some cases, save thier lives. It's so cool to be in control of the film you're watching, they should do more interactive stuff like this in movies
The changes to Jedi's ending are unforgivable. That movie had the perfect ending, then they go and take away the Ewok song that leads perfectly into the main theme and the credits, they add young Anakin, add in a bunch of cgi celebrations better left to the imagination....
There has been technology on dvd's and blu-rays to have multiple versions of a film. I know New Line did that with some of their Infinifilm disks, and I think the dvd of the horror/thriller Joy Ride let you choose from alternate endings. Basically they'd add in the alternate scenes as chapter stops and the play list would change and skip over certain normal scenes to alternate scenes.
Demon Rantz I think a good amount of people do. It’s one of the changes I don’t mind. Other than adding in the young Anakin.
Man, you're a Stupid Jerk. ;)
What’s wrong with adding Hayden who did way more for Vader’s character than Sebastian shaw who did absolutely fuck all that’s delusional social media cretin self entitled ot fanboys for you they think they own everything and are bewitched to Lucas not changing his own movies how about make your own movies and stop bitching and crying and spewing your running commentary bullshit you sad pathetic inbred cunts
How about just don't fuck with good art.
Amen! 100% spot-on!
But what if you can make it better! Then it's superior art!
Haha. Well the truth is, in my opinion art is never finished. It's easy to understand with something like music or painting where there are literally endless ways it can be drawn/mixed which will essentially change the whole mood or tone the 'artform'. So really, art can only be 'finished' when it's creator decides to stop. When is the right time? Probably subjective but i's understandable that sometimes creator wants to come back and touch up something that may not have been as originally envisioned.
Because really 'superior' art doesn't exist but subjectivity has preferences which is what we're really talking about it.
~release ALL the art and let the public decide . . . it's as though van gogh replaced all the yellow sunflowers with red sunflowers then said you can't see the yellow version anymore
"Very cool." - Mike Stoklasa, Rich Evans and Jay Bauman
if Star Wars had the interactive menu, it would take 3 hours to get pick out what you want and what you don't. There are 150+ changes to Star Wars so that would take a long time to pick and choose what changes you like.
I liked the improved FX, but didn't like content change. It should have been like Star Trek Remastered - where the only changes were to the FX.
*****
I have the original in bootleg. But I'd rather have actual official releases. I simply refuse to pay for anything that isn't the version I want.
The problem with the edited Han and Jabba scene is that it's nothing but a big spoiler for The Return of The Jedi, as you now already know from the beginning who Jabba is and what he looks like. Also the ice creature scene is much more thrilling in the old version, where you don't see all of it while it's approaching Luke.
soulagent79 That's your opinion. I think the opposite is true, especially about the ice creature.
I grew up with these and to see that there were this many changes still astonishes me, I never knew they changed them at all until recently.
I have the 2004 DVD version of a new hope. On the second disc there is the version where there's no episode IV title and the screen is pillar boxed. Is that really the unaltered version?
When I saw the "Special Edition" in the theaters, what really bothered me was that a lot of the added on stuff didn't fit and just didn't look or sound right. Scenes like when Luke and Leah was in the Death Star bridge shaft before they swung across the chasm. They changed the damn sounds of the laser guns to sound like shot guns where before they sounded like laser guns. It was things like that that took me right out of the movie. Also all the CGI they added was just too much. There was just too much too look at, taking your attention away from the center of focus. The prequels had the same problem. Shoving too much crap into the scene because of CGI.
I do agree The CGI and practical effects just didn't mix very well
the part that bugs me the most is where they changed anikian to match the on from the "new prequels" in the ending of a new hope. the basically gave the finger to the original actor.
But it makes sense story-wise. After all, that's how he looked before Anakin "died" and became Darth Vader.
@@silhouettoofaman2935Nah that's a huge stretch imo. Should've just kept Sebastian Shaw.
@@SolarDragon007 To each their own, I guess. To me it could work either way.
You know that "original actor" was like 70, Anakin was canonicly 45 years old at his death, and Hayden is 38 right now, and still looks the same as he did 14 years ago
@@SolarDragon007 You mean that guy that looks older than Obi Wan
The 1997 special editions, were pretty cool at the time. We were all excited about the new CGI stuff, and it was new then. It was cool to try and compare the two versions.
I picked up a DVD set when I lived in Alaska that (supposedly) has the original theatrical cuts on them.
Honestly, at this point - aside from CGI add-ins, as far as edits go I'm not sure I'd remember what the differences are, without looking them up.
I absolutely detested the CGI re-hash of Jedi, with Hayden at the end. I refuse to watch that edition.
I feel the same as you, buddy. I preferred Shaw at the end
That Jabba scene was apparently supposed to have a stop motion character superimposed over that guy. He was a stand-in from the beginning.
I don't mind the changes; I have both versions to my collection.
+Jar Jar Binks Gets more pussy then You! :D
He jumped into a hole that was thousands of feet deep. Why would he think he would live? But then that hole sucked him in out of nowhere. Why would anyone expect that to happen? But having him refuse to join Vader and instead jump to his death without screaming is badass.
***** if it was thousands of feet he'd die on impact.
2 he was trying to escape. falling down anything>>>>>>>chances of fighting vader with no arm
3. he wasn't sucked into a hole. Did you even watch the movie? A hatch opened. There was no sucking. the only thing that sucks is how you're remembering this movie.
4. stop ignoring facts and making things up. it only hurts your argument.
He clearly had no idea he would survive, he was trying to kill himself. Thats the whole point of the film.
highjim"the point of the empires strikes back was luke killing himself. That's the point of the movie"
do you comprehend how obvious that trolling is? Or are your parents cousins or something?
+Jar Jar Binks Gets more pussy then You! :D
"the point of the empires strikes back was luke killing himself. That's the point of the movie"
Your hallucination is noted.
The thing I hate the most is in Return of the Jedi with the ghost scene, there was no reason to put Hayden Christiansen as the ghost. Like, no. He wasn't a young adult when he died, he was a crusty old man like the rest of them. Also in Empire, they changed Boba Fett's voice to match Jango's. No reason.
I remember that we had the original prequal editions on VHS. When I was a kid, my mom would put the trilogy on and I'd call asleep when we would get to the pod races. I loved those movies.
Honestly Yub nub sounded like a teletubies song and changing it showing other planets celebrating really enforced the idea that the empire was defeated instead of having some dumb bears dancing around
Gary The Stormtrooper - Why the Yub Nub hate ? It was still Williams. I think what would been beneficial, in the new edits, maybe cut from that song , into the city celebration scenes, with their own music. But I only watch the Harmy edits, or my own telesyncs from the 1992 VHS.
@@therackstar Because the Special Edition song was far grander and more triumphant. The montage across the galaxy added a lot to show the downfall of the Empire, and the music is SO much better than the little Ewok jingle.
The Jabba scene is my least favorite edit in the series (followed by Vader yelling "no" in ROTJ). Not only does it ruin the mystery of what Jabba looks like, but it cheapens him and Han's dynamic when Han steps on his tail. Han fears this guy and I don't see Jabba taking that sort of treatment from someone so beneath him like Han. You think he'd just have his men off Han right there with that show of disrespect.
And of course when Boba Fett walks by and looks DIRECTLY AT THE CAMERA, it just feels like cheap pandering.
One thing the Special Editions got right: replacing Nub-Nub with a REAL victory song at the end of Return of the Jedi.
Great video! I made my own edits of A New Hope and Return of the Jedi (I agree with you that the 2004 special edition of Empire is great)
In a New hope i spliced in the harmy’s despecialized scene of han shooting Greedo and I cut out the whole Jabba scene. I liked the amount of info we got regarding Jabba from the original cut without having to see him and Boba Fett by the falcon. I also kept all the special effects improvements.
In Jedi I took out Hayden christensen and put Sebastian Shaw back in the end again using footage from Harmy’s
I also did an Attack of the clones edit where I trimmed a bunch of Anakin’s dialogue, makes it much more watchable for me!
The Jabba scene was just completely pointless. We already got what we needed to know from the Greedo scene before, and the CGI is just terrible.