I’ve also been a hold out with my 80D and it’s been an amazing tool for my intermediate skills with some room to grow in. I’m also using the kit lens primarily (well, the other kit lens being the 18-135mm IS USM). Canon made some quality gear and watching your video is an absolute breath of fresh air amid all of the gear-oriented and upgrade-obsessed channels I’ve seen. Spot on video!
Great video. You and me are from near the same dinosaur age as far as cameras we use, LOL. Also been only using 2 prime lenses for years now. Nothing wrong with learning your gear well. Glad to see such refreshing content!
A lot of great photos can be accomplished with pretty much any gear. I think the gear thing becomes a separate fixation/fascination/obsession (G.A.S.) subsequent and secondary to ones' original interest in photography.
I have been a photographer for three decades. I will agree with you about upgrading for no reason. It took me many years to convert to digital from film. Because I believe in not rushing to upgrade. just for the sake of upgrading. The gearheads love to upgrade, for me, I have to have a good reason to upgrade.
I recently go back into photography after a maybe 5 or more year gap. I looked back over my photos from my old Canon EOS 7D from 2009, made a few edits and printed one or two of the shots professionally and they look just as technically good as the images i can get from my Fujifilm XT5. While i love my new fuji, if i was a smarter person i probably could have just got an old Canon 5D, or an older XT3 Fujifilm and things would have been fine. The elephant in the room is the truth, that gear is a mask for people who are simply not that creative or not that skilled at photography. It makes the guy who's entire body of work consists of long exposures of an old jetty over a lake, long exposures of a highway at night etc feel just as creative as people who can make amazing work with whatever camera they find laying around. I know that sounds harsh, and its rough to critize people who are trying, but lets be honest, the middle aged dentist with a Leica SL1 is rarely what you would call an artist.
Really love this one- the comparison you made between traditional art and tech based art was a great take. Traditional mediums like drawing and painting don't get scrutinized the same way tech based mediums like photography and videography do. That's definitely something I'll take with me whenever I get worried about the preconceived quality of my work due to using a out of date Vegas software rather than the current Adobe Premiere
Just found your channel. This is a topic that's been dabbling in my mind lately as a beginner photographer. My gear is limited and I'm stopping myself from offering my services on fear I don't have the right lights, or the right lenses, etc, etc. As you said, this was a great reassurance, thank you for making this video
Great Video! I couldnt agree more, i still have my first film nikon from high school because I'm so comfortable with it. As we progress digitally i think specs matter less as they have already been extemely sharp for so long. It's really about filters, lighting, color grading, other accessories etc. Im working on a similar video about my canon M50 mkii. Just subbed!
I finally upgraded my camera a few years back to the Canon M6 Mark II. Which even at the time was kind of an older camera but I had real reasons for the change that assisted me with justifying the purchase. I honestly don't think I'll buy anything else for at least another 5 years. Maybe longer
If anyone asks me what camera they should get when starting out, more often than not, they’re seeking validation to spend more money on a system they want, not what they need. Most people don’t want to hear that a camera that’s nearly twenty years old, something like the Canon 5D Classic, is more than capable of delivering results they desire… the trade off is they need to learn the craft and do the graft. I’ve just invested in the 5DC and it’s a phenomenal camera. Shoot what makes you happy.
I agree! It doesn’t really matter what you shoot with. I can definitely say that gear will somewhat determine the quality of your photos, that’s where your skill comes in and the “quality” becomes arbitrary. It’s always fun to explore new gear though, and even if it is “vintage” it’s still new to you:)
Really interesting topic! I used to want to upgrade all the time but then realised I love shooting with what I have and all I really needed was some filters and lenses! I've started playing around with older camera recently, just enjoy the process of shooting with cheaper, older gear that's new to me! Great video!
Great perpective. I do more cinematography than photography, but I got a RED Scarlet-W in 2017, set it up to use as many lenses and possible, and kind of stopped caring about gear after that. If I can't produce something I'm proud of with the same camera the Hobbit was shot on, then I need to re-evaluate my career.
Nice to see. I feel like once you have a decent DSLR it makes a lot more sense to add other types of gear, like I am going to get a dji mini 4 drone and some better audio equipment, a gimbal, remotes and filters. I have the 70d and I hated it until I got my sigma art lens! I would much rather have a full frame camera and I eventually will, but my camera has had much better output than alot of modern mirrorless i’ve used.
plus I love film and point and shoot digital cameras. I wish companies would focus more on innovation and problem solving as opposed to endlessly upping specs that don’t make THAT much of an experience difference
I'm a minimalist in terms of gear, I have a small number of cameras that each do something different, and together they cover everything I need to do, i'm not interested in buying every camera that comes on the market.
Excellent video. Couldn’t agree more with this! Love the mindset. I have the same camera and the canon 77d and I’m enjoying using them for my photography and all my work for clients. We don’t need all the expensive gear in the world to create art and do work.
Sam's pumpkin in the background immediately sent me. Great video! It's good to be reminded that "keeping up" is fake and that there's other ways to refresh your work that don't involve a gear overhaul.
I love your thoughts on this topic and I wholeheartedly agree with you. I upgraded my 7 year old camera this year and it was a terrible investment. I kept my old camera and still love it.
Yep, agree with this. I have also had my 80D for about 7 years at this point. And fully agree with the sentiment that the gear you need is entirely based on your use case, and most people do not need the latest and greatest. I will say I have been looking at older full frames such as the 5D mkiii as I enjoy the way full frame cameras render deep blacks and color better than cropped. I have 3 lenses: the kit 18-135, a shitty 50, and the oh so fancy 70-200 2.8. The biggest thing I have learned from this is quality glass with good AF does make photography more enjoyable for me. (I mostly shoot sports/action outdoors) Thanks for reading my TED talk lol. Respond with yall's kit's and what ya do and do not like about them, would love to hear.
I have Nikon D610. I bought it 2016. I have built my kit around this body. Nikon lenses are second to non. I have seven lenses, coupled with the D610 produce superb images. 24mp is plenty enough as well. I have no need or desire to spend thousands on a new kit, only to get the same qaulity images.
You are so adorable! i love how sure you are of yourself and where you are. without money to spend, you can do well with what you have. You will notice a difference if you upgrade your lenses. Also buying used and renting lenses are a way of trying things out My camera is even older than yours, I'm shooting with a Canon 60D!
Pretty sure that's a first world debate. Here in Philippines I rarely hear people bothering anyone about their gear. I still shoot Panasonic gh4 gh5. I feel that photography is a matured technology. Same as computers and phones. No one asks anymore.
I really like this video and agree with a lot of the points you brought up! I was personally using the same Sony A57 from 2012 to 2020 and upgraded to a Z7 just for better high ISO performance since I shoot with natural light a ton; but I REGULARLY use my Panasonic GF1 from 2009 as a pocketable walk around/street camera, and a Fujifilm S2 Pro from 2002 when I want that dreamy CCD sensor goodness and to experiment creatively. It's all about the feeling you get when you put your card into the computer and pull up your files, not the megapixel count or the $12K lens sitting in front of your sensor.
I've taken my Nikon D40x out of the wardrobe and started using it again. It never got much of a chance because I upgraded just 2 yrs after I bought it new. Unlike later DSLRs and now mirrorless it's so simple to use and doesn't have video ( which I never use ). I'm sure your Canon does the trick for you relative to later versions, with all of the bells and whistles? 📷👍
Many years ago I bought a second hand Canon 7D. I have used it to shoot Ed Sheeran in 2011 and many other hands since. Not gonna upgrade it until it dies. It's a tool, and until that tool breaks what is the point in upgrading?
3:01 Oh, I thought as you did. But it turns out painters have the same arguments as to what tools are better than others, what brush brand/kind to prefer over others. Photographers are not unique in this it seems. Other than that, I appreciated you sharing your take. You are 100% correct in that cameras have stagnated in image quality progression - most cameras sold the past ten years (or even longer) are perfectly capable for producing outstanding work.
Until recently, I had been using the same camera for 15 years (Canon EOS 50D). I was having some issues with one of the dials not always working to the point where photography was no longer fun. I agonized over whether to buy an older but used camera (5D III or even IV) or modernize and go mirrorless. In the end I went mirrorless (R7). Sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice, but this camera should hopefully last me another 15 years. I am enjoying the experience of the mirrorless camera for both photo and video work.
The sensor capability didn't change that much during all those years. If you shoot mostly models or landscapes that don't move much, you'll not find a tremendous difference. Particularly if you shape your light with flash and such. What really changed a lot are image stabilisation (not considering MFT, they where top notch in this regard already back then), the AF capabilities, the burst rate and video quality. There are plenty of people that profit from any of those a lot and for them it is worth to upgrade. Personally I downgraded the sensor from a Sony A7RIII to the A6700 for the gain of improved AF and I couldn't be happier. I shoot little wiggly subjects that most of the times don't have the patients to be photographed. I need to be able to nail the AF in a second and this often in low light.
Many CZcams photographers (PhotoTubers?) do talk a lot about gear but I try not to listen. Of course, some gear is better than others but for someone who budgets, it is not helpful. It is the photographical equivalent of pay-to-win. I'll stick with my Kissx10 for a bit longer!
as someone who just got rid of my old cameras for a new one I feel like this is personal.... lol jk, but also a good reminder that new gear doesn't automatically make your art better it is still the creativity that is the driving force ❤
Buy the latest Leica, Nikon, Canon or even Sony ( yaaakh ), leave it on the table for 10 years and come back too see the photographs that have been produced . What , no photographs? Ah its the photographer who makes the photographs and not the cameta. Camera is only a tool in the process. The yrick is to pick the best tool for the job and pay once.
The best camera is the one you have on you or the best that you can afford. The thing that makes me laugh today is people are spending thousands on a camera for the best image quality only to edit the shot to look like they are taken with a 70’s film camera 🤣
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If the camera keeps doing what you need then it’s never outdated :)
I’ve also been a hold out with my 80D and it’s been an amazing tool for my intermediate skills with some room to grow in. I’m also using the kit lens primarily (well, the other kit lens being the 18-135mm IS USM). Canon made some quality gear and watching your video is an absolute breath of fresh air amid all of the gear-oriented and upgrade-obsessed channels I’ve seen. Spot on video!
The canon 80D is a perfectly good camera & an absolute workhorse. It is capable of so much & weatherproof. Enjoy it.
Great video. You and me are from near the same dinosaur age as far as cameras we use, LOL. Also been only using 2 prime lenses for years now. Nothing wrong with learning your gear well. Glad to see such refreshing content!
A lot of great photos can be accomplished with pretty much any gear.
I think the gear thing becomes a separate fixation/fascination/obsession (G.A.S.) subsequent and secondary to ones' original interest in photography.
I have been a photographer for three decades. I will agree with you about upgrading for no reason. It took me many years to convert to digital from film. Because I believe in not rushing to upgrade. just for the sake of upgrading. The gearheads love to upgrade, for me, I have to have a good reason to upgrade.
As long as you like the character and what comes out of the camera..that’s all that matters!
I recently go back into photography after a maybe 5 or more year gap. I looked back over my photos from my old Canon EOS 7D from 2009, made a few edits and printed one or two of the shots professionally and they look just as technically good as the images i can get from my Fujifilm XT5. While i love my new fuji, if i was a smarter person i probably could have just got an old Canon 5D, or an older XT3 Fujifilm and things would have been fine.
The elephant in the room is the truth, that gear is a mask for people who are simply not that creative or not that skilled at photography. It makes the guy who's entire body of work consists of long exposures of an old jetty over a lake, long exposures of a highway at night etc feel just as creative as people who can make amazing work with whatever camera they find laying around. I know that sounds harsh, and its rough to critize people who are trying, but lets be honest, the middle aged dentist with a Leica SL1 is rarely what you would call an artist.
I AM ADDICTED TO GEAR! I LOVE GEAR! ALWAYS NEED MORE GEAR!
It's called Gear Acquisition Syndrome, (G.A.S.) and it will get in the way of creativity.
Really love this one- the comparison you made between traditional art and tech based art was a great take. Traditional mediums like drawing and painting don't get scrutinized the same way tech based mediums like photography and videography do. That's definitely something I'll take with me whenever I get worried about the preconceived quality of my work due to using a out of date Vegas software rather than the current Adobe Premiere
Thank you! I’m glad it helped :)
Just found your channel. This is a topic that's been dabbling in my mind lately as a beginner photographer. My gear is limited and I'm stopping myself from offering my services on fear I don't have the right lights, or the right lenses, etc, etc. As you said, this was a great reassurance, thank you for making this video
I’m glad my words were able to offer some reassurance :). Happy creating!!
Great Video! I couldnt agree more, i still have my first film nikon from high school because I'm so comfortable with it. As we progress digitally i think specs matter less as they have already been extemely sharp for so long. It's really about filters, lighting, color grading, other accessories etc. Im working on a similar video about my canon M50 mkii. Just subbed!
That’s awesome! Thanks for subbing :)
@StrawbearyStudios of course, first time viewer on your channel. Always refreshing to hear another photographers perspective on the art form 📷
It's how we use the tools we are given/have not if we have the latest and greatest tool.
Exactly!
Not sure why CZcams recommended this to me but thanks for sharing your pictures.
As someone who is not a photographer i to think gear is overrated
I finally upgraded my camera a few years back to the Canon M6 Mark II. Which even at the time was kind of an older camera but I had real reasons for the change that assisted me with justifying the purchase. I honestly don't think I'll buy anything else for at least another 5 years. Maybe longer
If anyone asks me what camera they should get when starting out, more often than not, they’re seeking validation to spend more money on a system they want, not what they need. Most people don’t want to hear that a camera that’s nearly twenty years old, something like the Canon 5D Classic, is more than capable of delivering results they desire… the trade off is they need to learn the craft and do the graft. I’ve just invested in the 5DC and it’s a phenomenal camera. Shoot what makes you happy.
I agree! It doesn’t really matter what you shoot with. I can definitely say that gear will somewhat determine the quality of your photos, that’s where your skill comes in and the “quality” becomes arbitrary. It’s always fun to explore new gear though, and even if it is “vintage” it’s still new to you:)
Really interesting topic! I used to want to upgrade all the time but then realised I love shooting with what I have and all I really needed was some filters and lenses!
I've started playing around with older camera recently, just enjoy the process of shooting with cheaper, older gear that's new to me! Great video!
Great perpective. I do more cinematography than photography, but I got a RED Scarlet-W in 2017, set it up to use as many lenses and possible, and kind of stopped caring about gear after that. If I can't produce something I'm proud of with the same camera the Hobbit was shot on, then I need to re-evaluate my career.
tripod and remote shutter helps with telephoto shots.
Reasonable point of view 👍
There is a lot of wisdom in this video. I’ve had so many cameras and my pictures never improved.
Nice to see. I feel like once you have a decent DSLR it makes a lot more sense to add other types of gear, like I am going to get a dji mini 4 drone and some better audio equipment, a gimbal, remotes and filters. I have the 70d and I hated it until I got my sigma art lens! I would much rather have a full frame camera and I eventually will, but my camera has had much better output than alot of modern mirrorless i’ve used.
plus I love film and point and shoot digital cameras. I wish companies would focus more on innovation and problem solving as opposed to endlessly upping specs that don’t make THAT much of an experience difference
i;'m so glad i see this.. i've been using my 80d for 4 years now. its still the best
I'm a minimalist in terms of gear, I have a small number of cameras that each do something different, and together they cover everything I need to do, i'm not interested in buying every camera that comes on the market.
Excellent video. Couldn’t agree more with this! Love the mindset. I have the same camera and the canon 77d and I’m enjoying using them for my photography and all my work for clients. We don’t need all the expensive gear in the world to create art and do work.
*subbed* much love from Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦 😊
Sam's pumpkin in the background immediately sent me. Great video! It's good to be reminded that "keeping up" is fake and that there's other ways to refresh your work that don't involve a gear overhaul.
Man when I sat down to edit I was like “oh no guess I have to live with that now.” 😂
Amazing video!! I've been using the canon rebel T3i, still works great!! Also your photos are great :)
I love your thoughts on this topic and I wholeheartedly agree with you. I upgraded my 7 year old camera this year and it was a terrible investment. I kept my old camera and still love it.
I am so glad that you are honest 😮❤
Yep, agree with this. I have also had my 80D for about 7 years at this point. And fully agree with the sentiment that the gear you need is entirely based on your use case, and most people do not need the latest and greatest.
I will say I have been looking at older full frames such as the 5D mkiii as I enjoy the way full frame cameras render deep blacks and color better than cropped.
I have 3 lenses: the kit 18-135, a shitty 50, and the oh so fancy 70-200 2.8. The biggest thing I have learned from this is quality glass with good AF does make photography more enjoyable for me. (I mostly shoot sports/action outdoors)
Thanks for reading my TED talk lol. Respond with yall's kit's and what ya do and do not like about them, would love to hear.
I have Nikon D610. I bought it 2016. I have built my kit around this body. Nikon lenses are second to non. I have seven lenses, coupled with the D610 produce superb images. 24mp is plenty enough as well. I have no need or desire to spend thousands on a new kit, only to get the same qaulity images.
You are so adorable! i love how sure you are of yourself and where you are.
without money to spend, you can do well with what you have.
You will notice a difference if you upgrade your lenses. Also buying used and renting lenses are a way of trying things out
My camera is even older than yours, I'm shooting with a Canon 60D!
Pretty sure that's a first world debate. Here in Philippines I rarely hear people bothering anyone about their gear. I still shoot Panasonic gh4 gh5. I feel that photography is a matured technology. Same as computers and phones. No one asks anymore.
What a beautiful Woman! Beauty and Brains and Common Sense, oh my. 😊👍
I really like this video and agree with a lot of the points you brought up! I was personally using the same Sony A57 from 2012 to 2020 and upgraded to a Z7 just for better high ISO performance since I shoot with natural light a ton; but I REGULARLY use my Panasonic GF1 from 2009 as a pocketable walk around/street camera, and a Fujifilm S2 Pro from 2002 when I want that dreamy CCD sensor goodness and to experiment creatively. It's all about the feeling you get when you put your card into the computer and pull up your files, not the megapixel count or the $12K lens sitting in front of your sensor.
I've taken my Nikon D40x out of the wardrobe and started using it again. It never got much of a chance because I upgraded just 2 yrs after I bought it new. Unlike later DSLRs and now mirrorless it's so simple to use and doesn't have video ( which I never use ). I'm sure your Canon does the trick for you relative to later versions, with all of the bells and whistles? 📷👍
Great video. I agree. Learn how to use the gear you have instead of yearning for the next new thing.
Many years ago I bought a second hand Canon 7D. I have used it to shoot Ed Sheeran in 2011 and many other hands since. Not gonna upgrade it until it dies. It's a tool, and until that tool breaks what is the point in upgrading?
3:01 Oh, I thought as you did. But it turns out painters have the same arguments as to what tools are better than others, what brush brand/kind to prefer over others. Photographers are not unique in this it seems.
Other than that, I appreciated you sharing your take. You are 100% correct in that cameras have stagnated in image quality progression - most cameras sold the past ten years (or even longer) are perfectly capable for producing outstanding work.
I still use a Canon EOS M. It's all about the lenses and the photographer 👍
Until recently, I had been using the same camera for 15 years (Canon EOS 50D). I was having some issues with one of the dials not always working to the point where photography was no longer fun. I agonized over whether to buy an older but used camera (5D III or even IV) or modernize and go mirrorless. In the end I went mirrorless (R7). Sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice, but this camera should hopefully last me another 15 years. I am enjoying the experience of the mirrorless camera for both photo and video work.
I bet it was the scroll that is right behind the shutter trigger(?)..
@@Mme.Swisstella yeah. It turns in one direction just fine, it slips often in the reverse direction.
@@matthewsinger it is a common problem on the 50d. There are some youtube videos around that show at-home ways to fix it.
The sensor capability didn't change that much during all those years. If you shoot mostly models or landscapes that don't move much, you'll not find a tremendous difference. Particularly if you shape your light with flash and such.
What really changed a lot are image stabilisation (not considering MFT, they where top notch in this regard already back then), the AF capabilities, the burst rate and video quality. There are plenty of people that profit from any of those a lot and for them it is worth to upgrade.
Personally I downgraded the sensor from a Sony A7RIII to the A6700 for the gain of improved AF and I couldn't be happier. I shoot little wiggly subjects that most of the times don't have the patients to be photographed. I need to be able to nail the AF in a second and this often in low light.
Many CZcams photographers (PhotoTubers?) do talk a lot about gear but I try not to listen.
Of course, some gear is better than others but for someone who budgets, it is not helpful. It is the photographical equivalent of pay-to-win. I'll stick with my Kissx10 for a bit longer!
Sonethimes we think that if web hace the most recentrly gear we become a battery photographers
U should upgrade I had 5d2 for 15 years autofocus is much better
as someone who just got rid of my old cameras for a new one I feel like this is personal.... lol jk, but also a good reminder that new gear doesn't automatically make your art better it is still the creativity that is the driving force ❤
Buy the latest Leica, Nikon, Canon or even Sony ( yaaakh ), leave it on the table for 10 years and come back too see the photographs that have been produced . What , no photographs? Ah its the photographer who makes the photographs and not the cameta. Camera is only a tool in the process. The yrick is to pick the best tool for the job and pay once.
The best camera is the one you have on you or the best that you can afford. The thing that makes me laugh today is people are spending thousands on a camera for the best image quality only to edit the shot to look like they are taken with a 70’s film camera 🤣
Yo también quiero una cámara 📷 para mi canal de CZcams
Voy a seguir subiendo contenido en mi canal. Está que tenga éxito en CZcams. Para tener mi cámara y mi 🎤 para que todos sea más mejor. 😊