Forging The Drill Spiral Knife 2.0.
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- čas přidán 24. 09. 2017
- Welcome to the "How Do Not" Channel! The spirals are squnched a skleutch but improved aesthetics and a 'A' for effort are all I have to show for my second effort with drill chips and canister damascus. Luckily, valuable lessons were learned so BEWARE my next project!
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Partial success is way more educational and interesting than watching someone who already has everything figured out. Great stuff, keep the great vids and knives coming!
Nothing ventured nothing gained, that is also some gorgeous handle material
Really good video. I like how your so open and honest with what goes wrong. This hobby can be quite daunting when you first start making your way in it, so it's reassuring to see that even people with a lot more tools and experience can run into their fair share of issues. And as always, just a funny, down to earth, entertaining video. Keep it up man.
Big Raidy the only difference between a master and a novice is a master has failed more than a novice has tried
natis413 also masters don’t pee their pants when thanos is drunk and angry
I absolutely would not consider this to be a failure. You gathered valuable information and the knife you made (even though it's not functional) still looks amazing.
Dammit Steve! So many hours to learning. I've made the same errors. Thanks again for sharing! Appreciate you showing us the journey, even if the results aren't perfect. Much love guy.
Great video as always! I'm excited to see this project all the way through
I could watch your videos all day! they're so relaxing.Thank you for this great content. Wales UK
Thanks, brother.
Side 1 looks f'ing brilliant, like fossils in rock! Rock on green beetle my friend... Never Stop Learning!
Man, I absolutely LOVE your fearless approach to trying new things. It's always a good thing seeing one of your videos in my subscription box.
What I like about your videos compared to other knife makers is that you show experiments with mistakes and all. I appreciate that. Thanks for the videos. Please post more often? Greetings from South Africa btw.
Ty!
Green Beetle, I’ve been watching for 3 years now and have to say, I really appreciate your ability to think freely and try new ideas and share them in real time with me. Thank you!
my pleasure, friend
Green Beetle just uploaded a video? Great way to finish off my afternoon at work. :)
Always love your videos, great mix of sound instruction, scientific exploration and humor.
Yooo big fan
The knives looked great. Solving this challenge will be worth it. Keep on keepin' on GB!
Great to see the experimentation, thanks for posting.
My favorite knife maker. Always enjoy your videos. The knives still look good.
Anything learned isn't a failure...I like them both
Love the palmwood. I'm using it a lot as well.
Green Beetle I have a lot of 4140 Drill shavings that are heavy and thick if you want them. Bagged them up from a job I ran a couple of weeks ago after you ran your first video.
This was hugely valuable contribution. Thanks.
I love your pattern welded stuff hey, always dope.
It looks nice and I enjoy watching your videos.
Even if not a super functional knife, I love it. It reminds me of an elven knife with some sort of rare enchantment on the metal lol.
Breanna Thompson I wonder what mer armor and weapons are made out of Mer is the name of the elves
that only is elder scrolls he might be talking about middle earth or any other fantasy setting
Rip frank
Most likely not functional. The stainless steel powder will not have a uniform structure. The knife can be beautiful, but it will not be strong. But the author's view of things I like)).
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Great videos, nice to see you pushing your boundaries.
Warm your Anvil a little before you weld, a cold anvil sucks the heat from the steel.
I put a piece of hot steel on the anvil, moving it around to gently warming the anvil before the first welds.
good advice thanks!
Awesome work. I love the one little spiral by the plunge line you mentioned. It makes me wonder how it might have looked if the spirals were stacked vertically.
Hey GB love the knife and the video! That pattern is fantastic! Im glad you tried using only known metal spirals to ensure a good contrast! When your knife begins to fish lip it is often infuriating having to cool it then go to the grinder to get rid of it. What I do is hold my red hot peice on the edge of the anvil and hot rasp away the extra protrusions. Just a suggestion for the future! Can't wait for the next video you're the man!
For an impromptu "hopper" effect when vibrating the powder into the billet holder, you could just take an orbital sander to the side of the case with some worn out high grit paper or something on the pad. It'd vibrate the hell out of it and save you some tapping time.
if you do this again, you should try using a palm sander to vibrate the canister rather then tapping with hammers, the higher frequency might cause the powder to settle a little bit better
aboveaveragejoeaus AvE would agree
as stupid it sounds, it would not be a bad idea.
Kormoran no one said it sounded stupid, it would work amazingly as they usually have really powerful motors
Your work looks great and I have noticed that everything looks cleaner as you have been filming, it looks like your knives have a more refined finish.
These vids are always a good watch keep em up!
I know nothing about forging but looks like it takes a lot of skill. Turns out some cool knives! Keep the videos coming man.
always fun watching you experiment -
I love the handle you put on.
You should make a vibrating jig so you don't need to work as hard to get the powder all the way down! Maybe a mouse sander fixed in place with a surface on top that you can clamp your canister to. Great video as always!
Great video. Looking forward to your next one...
Awesome patterns on these, I feel sorry for how long its taking you to get what you want and its a shame they werent functional. I'm confident you'll get it soon and I'll be here waiting for that :)
have you ever considered making canister Damascus using steel cut into geometric shapes? like a bunch of D2 and 15N20 triangles or something? i feel like it could give an interesting finish
5 Point stars about 1/2” would be cool but where to get them in carbon steel is the ?
You can alleviate those issues next time by hammering evenly on both sides I have to keep myself in check at time and get to fixated on hammering one sides which pushes the core off to the opposite side. Cool project none the less.
Canister damcsuas by hand never in my lofe seen that. You are amazing my man keep it up
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Gorgeous art pieces
Could you take bundles of the shavings and twist them together like little bits of steel twine? You could then twist several of those together to make several small steel ropes that you can then pack into a canister with extra shavings and some well vibrated iron powder to fill the gaps. Just a thought. Thanks for the videos btw.
Great video man, as usual.
Bee-YOO-tiful steel!!! Shame about the knives, but we all learned from it, so thank you.
The pattern on one side looks like fish bones 🐟 👌. Love the size and profile of the seconds full tang knife, especially if kept in an integral style, i.e. no scales and a nicely rounded & polished spine around the entire knife. That pattern really has some great potential! It would be awesome if you could flatten more of the drill shavings down into a spiral 🌀 like the one on the ricasso before loading them into the can. Anyway, Great content and editing as always! Thanks for sharing
Subbed from this video, and one yesterday. Good work guy
very good job, a nice knife!
Nice job all around - Booyah!!
If you REALLY want to get rid of it, I will take it off your hands for you! LOL It has some awesome effects and the spiral down by the base of the handle is epic!
Awesome looking knife good job :)
Win or lose, you still come up with a video worth watching, at least.
Awesome video sir
The asymmetry of the san mai blade actually looks cool as heck, even if it's not functional.
I suppose it makes sense that the first knife had a little warping hiccup. Considering it appears to have more pattern material on one side than the other. Great video as always!
Your lay up is what I thought you should do in the last video. The tube was a good Idea, but for filling in you should consider vibrating rather than tapping. A couple of motors from an old video game controller, a marital aid, or best one of those serious deep tissue "thumpers" .
Another option is the handles of some channel locks. Banging each side of the canister in quick succession is still better than the ball peen for settling the powder evenly. It will also keep the swarf (drill spirals) from shifting (though it will settle them downward but not much if they tangle).
Make your edge with an ingot of steel instead of powder. Build the canister with the solid piece at the bottom, cram in shavings until you're afraid of deforming them. Weld the third side, and then fill with powder as above. Your edge is safe from nickle and you will have much better contrast against the steel.
I know it's for aesthetics, but if you weigh the coils compared to your powder in the canister, you'll see how much swarf/coils you can add and not change the steel much. Remember that those shavings are ribbions only a few thousandths thick, but coiled tight. If you place the edge steel first you can really cram shavings in there, without sacrificing edge quality
Was the canister heated for forge welding with the “edge” down?
It was most likely on its “side”, allowing the powder to settle during heating and fill more on the bottom “side” while the spirals remained in place on top “side”. When compressed, the bottom ends up with more solid metal from powder, and the top more spirals.
Rilly nice stuff
That tiny little spiral was pretty sweet!!! The one side of that knife did come out very nice in my opinion. I think youre on the right track when you decided to compress the chips inside the metal container before welding it shut. Maybe if you really flattened them out before putting them into the container you might have better success and could fit more in??? Either way it was another cool video as usual.
I’m thinking the same thing. Maybe even heat and flatten the spirals first and then pack them in the tube.
Ehh, you should buy, beg, borrow, build or steal -- not necessarily in that order -- a decent mid-sized forging press. Canisters compress in a trice; san mai billets weld evenly; some imagination applied to dies can result in weird & wonderful results. On the other hand, the mighty biceps might atrophy a bit :-) Clyde
somehow I ended up watching most of the video with no sound or subtitles but I did see the eternal this is not going well turn into something I really like and a most unusual knife because its dark with light highlights and most damascus is the other way round . very pleasing ...the handle is awesome too.
Use clay with water mixed into a slurry or paste and put in the tube and let it dry instead of whiteout it's cheaper, works better and its free if you get your own from say a pond or something. I have a lot of red clay from my neck of the woods and I just get some from the cattle pond and mix it up with water filter it and let it settle and then save it in a tub. Just be sure its dry before sealing or you will blow up your forge been there done that and it wasn't pretty.
I enjoyed the video. Also was thinking I don't know alot about how to do this but my thought on why that one side didn't have much detail is because you put a layer of that powder stuff down before putting the shaved pieces in. I could be wrong but that's what I'm thinking. Keep up the good work.
The off set is called a rombus and u can use clear nail polish in the etch to prevent the edge from getting distorted
JWA but the edge was distorted because of the forging, not because of the etch
1. great videos 2. pleas stop self-deprecating you do great work 3. there's a saying in Slovene "Vaja dela mojstra, mojster dela vajo." which translated means "Practice makes a master, when a master practices." aka "Practice makes perfect." You have talent and an inquisitive mind, and that is perfect for mastering your craft.
Excellent!
Go to a machine shop and ask about their spirals. Turnings on a lathe and large diameter drilling can make some long and large diameter spirals.
Anytime you learn something it's a worthwhile endeavor. The people who are the best at anything got there through experience and it wasn't all successful. Considering the look of those I'd consider them both pretty strong wins. With regard to being functional, well, If I were to purchase one of those knifes I doubt I would be using them too much anyway. I'd probably keep them on display instead. I'd never forgive myself if I marred something that pretty.
That being said, I think it'd be really badass to have a custom forged BBQ slicing knife for the Foo King Hotwing Co. team (with RC Gusto). I'd use the heck out of that.
Oooooooh now you're talking. I need to chat with RC Gusto!
The patterns are sweet
Great video
Beautiful. Perhaps split the Damascus and insert a bit of 1075 along what will be the edge, while it is still in rough bar form. ? Just spitballing ideas? When attacked by Clown Donkeys go for the Juggler, Jack.
My none professional opinion is that the blade was a complete artistic success it looked good as a decorative knife
I love the handle. I also love the shape of the whole knife. Pity about the Nickel.
If you were to attempt this again and get that one side more active than the other try cutting it in half and folding it over, or fold it length wise and stick some 1075 like the hot dog in a bun method for the edge. You may also be able to get multiple knives out of it.
I'd love to see Damascus steel Billet made out of paper clips and Staples and the knife made from it could be called the office Warrior
revanstar85 neither of those steels would be hardenable or give very much contrast to the billet. The only contrast would come from different carbon concentration (mild and HC) not from any etch resistance, so the pattern wouldn't have very much contrast and the knife wouldn't be functional unless it was a San Mai.
I have actually thought about this before, and I think it would be cool... IF paper clips and staples were not made of galvanized steel. Burning that is not usually a good idea. I don't know about the metal composition of these things, but I would assume they were a very low carbon steel (and maybe even zinc aside from the galvanized coating). Maybe putting some paperclips in a canister with high carbon steel dust for a little contrast in the damascus pattern after soaking it in vinegar to remove the galvanized coating? Like the other guy said, wouldn't be that great anyway.
It was just an idea I honestly have no blacksmith training of any kind and have no clue about how certain Metals look
I think it came out awesome I would use it
If you fold it a dozen or so times after grinding the canister off of the prospective knife blade following the initial forgewelding you can make the steel absorb more of the graphite powder adding to the carbon content. P.S works best with steel that is low carbon initially.
maybe uneven distribution of the spiral shavings had something to do with the first knife warping during quench? different material settled at the bottom of the canister and pulled stronger when the knife was cooling?
when welding on the handle... add a LUMP of weld to the handle to indicate which side your edge is on.
I think the warping on the first blade during the heat treat was caused by the nickel being mostly on one side, and contracting at a different rate.
Truly would still love to own that!!
if you hammer the shaving flat then stack them in the can might work better b/c there going to move anyway when then forge it.......just thinking out loud !!
Nice work and you are quite honest with the issues. Great!
Could you please let me know what wood are you using in this handle? Pretty nice!
Thanks!
Cut the spirals into smaller pieces and straighten them out with a hammer, then fill the canister with them in a pattern of your choosing. (get as many spirals as possible in the canister)
Next time you make a canister Damascus rent a concrete vibrator from a heavy equipment store. It will vibrate that powered steel into every nook & cranny.
Even if they don't hole an edge well they still look great and cool with that design
thumbs up
You should cut out a bunch of little shapes (cat, car, ect.) And make a demascus knife out of them
Great experiments I thought of some suggestions. When you make the sanmi you shouldn't cut of all the 1095. Keep 1/4 inch passed the Damascus "bread" bevel the bottom if the Damascus so th wields will blend that might help keep things better aligned
Hello thanks for your video sir, how to unite the plates of ex-plane exhaust and a hundreds electrik guitar string waste made from nikle and leaf spring or bearing how to joined that layer by forge to be solid pieces???
I would have cut and stacked it so the good pattern was on both sides, but looks great anyway. Keep it up, man.
I notice that you call this the How do not Channel. I am not a forger but I have learnt so much from you, I figure that this experience is teaching you about a million times as much as it is teaching me - the layman. Thomas Edison said that he did not consider his 1000 attempts at making electric bulbs failures but rather 1000 ways of how NOT to make bulbs. I mean - he did succeed at 1001... right?
I’ve seen oxidized stainless foil used on the inside of the canisters, seems to peel off much better.
What if you were to construct a deeper canister then put in 1 or 2 bars in the middle of like 1084 or 1095 that will make up the blade's edge and then fill the space off to each side with the 15N20 drill spirals and 1084 powder then forge that?
You get the spiral shavings when your feed and speed are in balance.
Not sure what type of wood that is but the grain on the handles scales looks awesome!
The nickel inclusion is probably the reason for the warp during the quench.
i've always wondered if you have a really fine zebra pattern knife but instead of having the lines parralel to the edge they all are on a 90° angle of the edge (so the edge consists of alternating steels all the way) if you sharpen it then edge it you'll have like a sawtooth edge?
What brand of sanding belts do you use and what is a good beginner brand to use for like a big box store 4x36 kinda crappy sander
You're too hard on yourself. You get an E for effort and I admire the way you stretch yourself and try new things. There only one good thing from a mistake and that's learning from it. I'm sure you learned from what you did and are a better smith for the effort. As always, I enjoy your videos.
Hey beetle, they may not be functional but I have a risky suggestion, try hot-dog-in-a-bun with your billet, good steel in the middle. It will have less chance to shift that way, instead of using san-mai where you have three pieces, hot-dog will have two. I don't know if you could fold your decorative "drill shavings" billet but you don't have to post it if it's not a success right? Keep being awesome
Green Beetle tho you say the knife may not be ideal in regards to functionality I will say this: it's a beautiful knife. I enjoy your videos and I think you make some awesome - looking knives. I love how you try new things and use a variety of materials. The bird shot Damascus was awesome. Anyway keep it up.
What if you tried drill bits in a variety of sizes in a canister? Or the fish hook one again but with a variety of hook sizes and even treble hooks?
Try using an oscillating sander to help vibrate your powdered metal into the container