Mounting Your Subs Regular Vs Inverted? Which is Louder?
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Team demo! I’m so happy I switched to a straight demo system! I got tired of not listening to my favorite music daily. The 30 seconds of satisfaction hitting a high number is not worth the pain of not listening to your favorite music on a everyday basis.. without sounding like crap. Keep up the videos Parker
Great vid Parker! I think you nailed it, there really is no difference between inverted or regular. You could have a couple tenths difference either way with temp or battery charge state. But thanks for giving me a demo in your truck! I had a blast and loved the demo! That one note really hits you in the chest hard! Also I enjoyed giving you a demo in Structural Damage! Till next time... 🔊😁👍
Glad I got a demo in yours as well!! Hopefully I’ll see you at shows next year
Facts yes but some subs do not play well inverted ie bdc-4s do not like inversions
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@@ParkerTheBasshead brother, I love your setup in every way, wish I lived closer because I would help you get louder. You sound deaden the doors and especially the rear hatch? And the way it performs you'll get better cooling with them inverted of course but if you can adjust the aero ports to tune lower you can get more out of it. Get it to peak right at 39 or 38hz and I think it will get alot louder. Those subs are built for lows if I remember correctly. Maybe even peak at 34hz, my high peak is around 40hz and I absolutely slam at 26hz hard enough to be heard in the building I work at 80 feet away from the maintenance guy inside. He couldn't believe it was 1 12. Just a heavy hitter 12 with one audio legion 1600 on each voice coil at 2 ohms. Does great for a single 12, tuned at 30hz around 2.7 cubes. Sub is of course inverted for cooling since unfortunately it has just a copper coil without the high temp coating. But I love it for the price point. I love it as much as my soundqubed hdc3.1 honestly. Very nice sub
@@Widowmaker2828 those are the BD2's not bdc4's
The subs make a big difference. The ones I've seen that made the biggest difference for me is the audiopipe you were running. Those were way louder inverted in my setup.
Good job I been following you for awhile and I happy to see that your picking up some free stuff and giving back the the ppl that support you good job
I tried inverting my JL Audio subwoofer once but sounded sloppy. I did not like it so I mounted it back in the regular position.
By the way, whoever mounts the subs inverter better make sure the hole is properly made and as round as possible to avoid the surround rubbing the enclosure and fucking it up.
So would the hole need to be bigger then? And how much bigger?
That's why I don't believe in inverted subs. They were not meant to be mounted that way.
@@martinmi5
Some people invert some subs that sound bad inverted, on top of that have air leakage and on top of that complain they got not much output on the low lows. Can’t fix stupid.
what kind of jl was it . bro was jlw7?
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No. The simple JL W0 15”
The shape of the cone is more rigid on the front side, so having that side facing the higher pressure (inside the enclosure) means the cone distorts and flexes less. I've experimented both ways hundreds of times, always sounded better imo.
I've never heard 152+db but judging by the shaking camera, I so want to!! Love your channel Parker. Average guy doing awesome things! Keep bassing on brother!
Basically you proved the theory: if you invert the drivers, the enclosure's net volume increases, and with the same port area and port length gives lower tuning = it peaks lower in car. In my opinion why it gives less SPL is probably because when you invert the subs, on the same power will have more excursion because of this new bigger net volume, so maybe the drivers overpassed the X-max more a bit more like before (but not bottomed out), and the SPL loss is caused by less magnet force because of the slightly bigger overexcursion, but also maybe the SPL loss happened becouse this new lower tuning caused by the new bigger net volume is more off from your car interior's resonant frequency, so... In my opinion try out invert just 3 of your drivers, maybe it will peak lower + have somewhat more SPL...
Realmente si en parte si la caja es mas grande la eficiencia aumenta, el subwoofer se mueve con mas facilidad pero si se sale del Xmax existen limites mecánicos que no permiten que se aproveche la potencia que reciben.
Se puede ver en el video que los 2 amplificadores Taramps 8k estan en cliping pero no es por que el amplificador llegue a su limite operacional sino que el subwoofer llega a los limites mecánicos (subwoofer clipped-off) y se da el "Xmech" el amplificador intenta mover el subwoofer con toda su potencia pero no puede por el limite mecánico del subwoofer y pueda ser que por eso se dañan los fusibles.
Your reply is literally perfect
Sorry forgot to tag you. Awesome reply. I'd try to tune lower since he has aero ports. Going to try to talk to him about it
Don't know why it won't let me tag you P-Bass but you said basically what I would have said. Most people just tune with a 40hz tone not realizing that if they are tuned at 32hz they more than likely are going to clip when playing 25hz because the amp is going to produce more power below tuning than above. Showed the video from my friends skar skv2 3500 doing 66 volts clean at 24hz when tuned at 28hz and when playing a 40hz tone it dropped to a little over 33 volts meaning if you tune with a 40hz tone you'll start to clip when playing below box tuning. My heavy hitter 12 is inverted mainly for cooling but would probably be louder in the box because the box is a little too big at 2.75 cubes. Might add a little bit of wood around the inside of the baffle when I put the wood tnuts in to help take up a little more space. Adde a thin piece of wood to the inside side wall to take up some space and it definitely helped. But inverting mainly helps if the box is a prefab or too small or you're running alot of power with low rise and need to keep the motor cool. She gets warm but never hot. Love the black brick heavy hitter 12
@@michaelmosher7902 good plans...btw, when measuring, especially in sedans like mine if you open the rear door (on the left side if the meter is on the right side of the front glass), then this can being the sub's peak near to the tuning frequency...for example: I have a single 6.5 in a relatively simple approx 0.8 cuft net volume box tuned to 22 Hz, when I close everything, it peaks at 52 Hz - my best score is 127.1, with opened front door 128.1 at 51 Hz, with opened back door 127.3 at 23 Hz...maybe I will upload a vid of it this week...also other subs what I tried in my car, they were loud exactly at lower 50ish frequencies, so maybe 52 Hz is the resonant frequency of my car's interior, and I simulated that if I extend the box to a parallel 6th order - high tuned chamber will have the same exact outer dimensions and made of the same material like the box now, it needs to be tuned to 57 Hz to gain the most around 50-53 Hz, exactly +10 or +12 dB.
Only thing that will make it sound different is because you invert them which takes the sub displacement out of the box. Making it a tad bigger.
Yep, I've done the math and the average box goes down in tuning about 1-2 hz. Barely noticeable in real world listening.
Yep! Exactly what mine did
@nate0 I doubt you can tell a difference. That's like saying your system is not as loud when u have 3 passengers vs just you inside by yourself.
@nate0 if you do that they will sound the best, because you will get the best stroke going in and out
@nate0 yeah for sure, even if its not an spl build it’ll still sound a lot cleaner, punchier, and maybe even louder
Parker you just read my mind been wanting to know the difference but no one got explanations as good as yours. Keep it up
AS an FYI I am doing 155.4 with a wall, 4 x 15s and the same amps. That 153.5 is pretty impressive from a low tuned no wall box! Im peaking at 50 hz as well
Never tried inverted. Good to know still amazing to look at inverted.
Luis Gutierrez main reason to invert would be the box being too small, tuned to high; which doesn't help much; or in my case you're slamming lows on over rms power and getting the sub warm. I invert it because ive took my box out in the summer and took it inside to pull my sub and the motor was hot inside the box with it not being inverted. Box has around 4 coats of fiberglass resin inside and out. Sealed very well. Have a half ohm of rise at 23hz. Clamped my audio legion 1600s wired at 1 ohm each amp and got over 1500 watts per amp. Very impressive for a 1600 watt amp. Right now I'm wired to 2 ohms per amp one heavy hitter 12 getting around 850 watts per coil when rated 1250rms. She takes the 23hz all day long though and the whole box jumps. Gotta get some bigger brackets to hold it down better.
Life of price channel he went over in-depth about inverted vs standard install. His channel and yours are great for car audio enthusiasts.
Great video. I always wanted know the difference between inverted and standard mounting. I just figured it was a better way to show off the subs innards inverted. Have you ever had any PSI subs? I’d love to see a review if possible. They make some great stuff
Inverted & non-inverted only matter on your boxes air space. The sub basket & motor size takes up a certain amount of space in your box. And when you're running multiple subs, that extra air displacement the baskets & motors take up can and will make a difference in the total air displacement the subs need for optimal performance. Always calculate your boxs air volume with the subs basket & motor displacement subtraction value added.
I think it definitely looks way cooler with them inverted, I think it’s worth the small loss. A raffle would be awesome.
Sometimes subs motor/suspension/venting makes noise that becomes audible when inverted which makes it a little less worth it.
@@RobertJeffersonBased exactly why i dont do it my 2 skar evl subs are way noisy inverted
He got lower db in sound but lost a bit of gain in sound like he said why ? because that box looks like it was made for traditional mount not inverted and the volume changed because it got bigger with subs inverted the tuning changed not the port but puting back in traditional will give him the same db and volume in size air space made for traditional only difference is lower tuning /volume size & changed in db
Thanks Parker. Have a great one.
I’m catching up on your video catalog and I have to say I’m very impressed! Keep it up
Great video Parker! Those are gonna be some pretty sweet videos you've got coming up!
Big fan for years bro keep the awesome content coming
I run mine inverted for cooling purposes if I'm cooking them I can smell it right away and get them cooled off a lot quicker.
Good video Parker keep it up man wish you best for your Channel. But kinda mad CZcams didn't tell me this video came out 3 hours ago but I'm watching it rn🔊💥
6 12 inch deaf bonce 3512r clamping 3900 watts a sub I’m doing 59.5 @ 41. But I only lose 1 dB at 30 hz. 58.6 at 30hz. Doesn’t drop below a 55 till 24hz. It’s a 4th though. Not standard ported. I’m surprised you’re not louder. I like that you did a musical system instead of a strictly spl. Nothing better than the look on people faces when they hear a loud system that actually plays low frequencies. And your theory of adding air space is exactly why you lost a little and peaked lower. Tuned lower. You always have good content. I know a lot of people have learned a lot from your videos. Keep it up!
Keep up the great work parker😜👍
The only difference inverting is changing enclosure volume so that’s why it peaked lower. Should try with window like 1/4 way down instead of all the way down.
Solid test tone while making small adjustments on the window.
That's Awesome Parker!!! I REALLY APPRECIATE everything you do for us!!! Thank you for doing the giveaways so someone like me can't afford things like that!!! Thank you!!! Have a great day Brother!! 😊😊😎😎
Can't wait for the next product reviews and the raffle would be cool thinking out of the box 👍👍👍😁😁😁😁
Cool deal I think I’ll do the raffle here soon!
@@ParkerTheBasshead I hope you do good with the earning!!! I'll be sure to buy some to support the channel 😁
Maybe you should turn the Box around and see what it does with the ports facing you
What's crazy to me is in the early 2000's I was running 8-JL AUDIO 12w0s in a blow through into my standard cab. All of them were 8ohm subs wired to 1ohm on a SINGLE Crossfire CFA1000D. I hit a 151.9db in a sanctioned local DB drag race and smoked EVERYONE in my power class (they went off 4ohm ratings which put me in the 0-300w class, since the amp is rated at 250watts @ 4 ohms). Anyway, you're damn near 16 times the power and way more surface area of woofers and my single amp/entry level subs was only ~2.5 db from what you're doing. LMFAO.
I could really go for any of those giveaway subs cause i just cant justify spending $500-$600 on one sub....oh but i really want to really really bad but i just cant bring myself to pull the trigger...great vid take care
Cool little test. NOTE the real and best reason for inverting them is because your enclosure is to small. Test some time a 12 the required more air space than one of your boxes. Ex. Sub needs 2.7cu.ft into a box that's 2.2cu.ft, install the mount and do a range of tests- then invert and do all the same tests. THAT'D BE AN AWESOME VIDEO
My question is, whats the heat dissipation difference? How much more punishment can subs cope with before the voice coil burns out
I got 8 tens in a 6th order all inverted because the math worked out better to maintain a specific ratio taking into account port area and sub displacement and bracing in the top and bottom chamber.its also helps cool motors which is always good with hot metal and shit like that🤷🏾♂️
Inverted all day!! Looks amazing and shows off them big ass motors!
Great review bud, always watching your vids. Good information over all like always interesting 👍 thanks and God bless🙂🙂
I think the reason it was not as loud as regularly mounted is because the cone area is reduced just a little because the spot where the dust cap would usually be there is a coil formar in the way and its not firing or directing so to speak the pressure into the cabin....probably wrong but just an opinion
This is like asking "which is louder 4th order or 6th order" neither one is definitively louder than the other. It depends on how you build it and how it's designed to play. If you build a box it's meant to be mounted regular, and then you build a box it's meant to be mounted inverted, they are going to play the same. But if you build a box it's meant to be mounted regular and then invert the subs, it's going to make it sound different. I'm surprised this is even a question...
Court Wednesday wish me luck !!as always love the videos brother
The CT sounds amp and sub calling my name exactly what I need in my car I upgraded my speakers now I just need amp and sub to bump like the cool kids
You need to go with different amplifiers next build
+1
I might!
Need a big amplifier sponsor 😂😂😂
Raffles are the way to go!
I know in a fourth order application you actually get more cone area with the driver's mounted normal
What app are you using for your test tone's? Any information is appreciated.
Loud as hell my guy !!! Lol ✊🏾💪🏾
Looks and sounds amazing 👏
Shouting out straight out of Jamaica
I honestly don’t know which is louder… went straight inverted of the jump on my 2 avatars on my channel
Hey Parker, have you tried mounting your subs isobaric? Face to face, 1 pulls and 1 pushes. Fit 12 subs where you have 6.
Only needed for weak subs back in the day when 1 needed help. You end up with one cone essentially
No sir have not tried that yet
How headway did you say you're running? What do you charge at as well? I have 12 packs of 32 for two 12ks with two 370 elites to charge.
After changing those blown boys, lol 🤣😭😂. Time to put Mr kitty inside with you for SPL test!! Lol 😛😉 Great video. 👍👍
Great video bro!
Thank you!!
If i win the sundown you guys ill giveaway my 2 skar evl 12s!
Have you had any problems with the SMD Ceramic High-Temperature Fuses melting the flimsy plastic sight windows? I have had this problem with Steve's fuses & they certainly need revised with a version 2.0.
Steve's 500 amp fuses melt quicker than a cheap chineese 300 amp fuse
Thx I have always wondered this
Damn you got loads of subs,if only a company would send me some
Love your vids man! I just bought 2 txx-bdc4 12d2 now I need to build a box and bang these bad boys
looking cool if subwoofers flip up 😍🔥🔥🔥👍🏻💪🏻
Do the raffle, that sound be awesome.
I think I will!!
Don't get in a car crash one of those subs would hurt the back of ur head
Damn I hope I can get to your level one day, my Lil skar 3500 ain't nowhere near what I want
Keep it up love the content!!!!!!
In 2002 I had two 12" Orion XTR3's on a Coustic 600SE and hit 139db
hope you can revisit this inverted box enclosure builds and tuning....thank you
Nice setup
Awesome video. I’m debating on flipping my brick house 12.
I inverted my zv5 12 on a Sundown salt 12k and I got a 160
I got 162db from my kicker cvx 10 at 20hz in a 10th order on a sundown salt 12k
Niiiice
@@fusiondensity3287 wow u could 12k to a cvx 10 ?
@@paulcherry1520 i was fibbing
@@fusiondensity3287 haha I was wondering how the hell could it take that much power lol
Forsure do the give away and the raffle I'll buy a ticket lol
Sounds good I think I will do the raffle here soon!
Definitely bumping hitting hàrd boom bass on bass heads bump on ,🎵🎶👍👌✌️💯🔥
Do give aways on stuff you get for free. (They pay shipping) Raffle everything you pay for out of pocket. Free is free, out of pocket is out of pocket.
I want the xmax monster
VERY NICE BRO!!!
Thank you!!
hey where did you get that app at
awesome video, you are losing your peak by lowering your tuning, the lower the tuning the flatter your response will be, vs the higher tuning will have more of a "hump". Insert the displacement of the subs back into the enclosure and keep them inverted, the spl will most likely be identical.
Lets see some score on the dash kick scores are easy to get loud
Im surprised it didn't gain. I still liked how it looked.
Parker!!!! When are you going to do a review on a dc audio XL M4 please please please thank you 🙏
Awesome man lol!
I got 2 12in vxf in Skar box and i feel i could get more out of them if inverted. My suv is a bit smaller than a honda pilot , so im hoping that would help also
Great video:)
Looks bad ass with them inverted
if you invert your subs , should you reverse the polarity , or set it to 180 degrees out of phase to get more bass or spl ?
Awesome😍😍😍 hope i have only one of that.
I need that x12 😫
Just curious why do you have your meter on the floorboard? I don't know anything about this
I have a zvx in a smaller than recommended box( in a 2.6 box, calls for 3) I inverted the sub to compensate for the box volume.. it sounds worse.. not as loud especially at lower volumes, and more mechanical noise. I’m thinking about just stacking a few 3/4” mdf spacers under the sub, and running it like that. Each one is .05 cubes.. so I wonder if that even matters? Probably not worth it.
I like how you test the differences between inverting the subs verses the other way.
Personally i think if they are in a sealed enclosure inverting the woofer would be better
Opposed to the ported
Enclose
why do you have 2 power and 2 neg to your amps?
didnt want to run a thicker ga?
Jam that meter up in the kick more, open your door all the way and hold that hit a good 2+ seconds! The meter takes time to register the sound so let that shit ride on!!
Hi bro I'm from guyana 🇬🇾..can u do a taramps long distance remote video plz
Plug your center port then burp it I bet you gain tremendously!
Your neighborhood is probably wondering what the hell was that 😂
I would love a Xmaxx monster , or a badass amp been running my old Rockford p1000bp
🟡I'ld to LOVE to see you making a review on Pride ST12 subwoofer. Can you do it please?
Hello Parker what's the name of the Metter you used and where can I find one?
I asked about buying your broken turamps 12k but are you interested in getting rid of any of them subs
Do you have 2 alts? Just curious cause i bought a mechman 240 and i still get voltage drop at 1500~ watts. It gets back up on long notes/frequencies so Im assuming its normal for it to fluctuate while playing music (much less than stock).
So u running .5 ohms on a 1ohm stable amp?? Just wanna make sure i heared correct
Correct! These newer Taramps seem to take it just fine
What you think about the American bass hawks in same set up
I liked my AB Hawk!
Do ypu lkke them better than the sundown x series
Nice content.. wat is the name os the spl meter? I'm livina in Brazil and look for a china import meter
It is the SPL Labs Mini Bass Meter
You got subs everywhere just chillin!😂 would you sell any of them?