The reason for the downfall of this organisation is religion, politics and neglect. The silent Sisterhood was and is still officially the witchfinder department under the overall structure of the Adeptus Astro-Telepathica. This is the Imperiums Psyker department responsible for all Astropaths and the training of sanctioned Psykers. This is a highlord level powerful Adeptus. They also worked directly with the Custodian Guard, but that was never officially constituted in the Lex Imperial. When Big E "died" and the loyal primarchs dissappeared, these women only really had the Astro-Telepathica and the Custodian Guard speaking up for them politically. But as soulless, they are really!!! disliked by the Imperial Church. So with such a powerful enemy, and their allies failing them hard, their Citadel on the Moon; The Somnus Citadel was raided and destroyed, the organisation disbanded and its members either burned at the stake or fleed or in some rare cases retained as guards on the Black Ships by the Astro-Telepathica. The current Captain General of the Custodian Guard began recalling them before the Fall of Cadia and Guilleman reformed them promptly, when he arrived on Terra (turns out they are the best anti-Demon weapons in mankinds fucking arsenal, who knew?) Their Citadel is being restored, they have a new Sisters Commander and they don't want to obey the Head of the Astro-Telepathica at all! With Guilleman and Trajan Valoris backing them, they are in a solid political position again.
They also in the new codex add that the church views that they have no souls so they can't have faith. The church is stronger than main other factions. Also the custodes basically stopped caring about the imperium unless it would threaten the big e
@@jonathanbradley9025 prety shure they always cared only about big E, previusly he just ordered them to do thing he needed and they obeyed thus no orders no actions besides ensuring big E safety.
The Custodes we're in depression for 10,000 years. They didn't come to the aid of anyone not just the sisters of silence. They put all and only efforts to the protection of the Emperor. The sisters should not have sat back and waited for someone else to uphold their place and necessity, but made it known and fought for it. The problem with the sisters, it's difficult to fight for them and stand up for them when their very presence makes you sick and nauseous
@@Tacoguy1000 maybe if you had no where else to go. History is full of people's that have sided with their oppressors because the alternative was certain death.
Custodes does protect people who they think would help the Imperium in the future though, like a custodes watching over Black Templar chapter master when he was just a child.
Still, they could have appointed a non-blank to speak on their behalf, perhaps the inquisitor general of the ordo maleus or something. He understands the necessity of having weapons against daemons due to having a fought daemons and such. The imperium is quite retarded though. The Tau should snatch up the sister of silence allegiance. That would be a cool plot point. The greater good would have a place for the sisters. I hate the Tau but that would be fun.
Simply put, the Sisters of Silence are pariahs. The lore makes it plain how uncomfortable people are around them. I can easily see the High Lords thinking their usefulness was at an end, so the need to tolerate them was too. As to the Captain-General being a High Lord. It’s been made plain that they typically stay out of politics unless the Imperial household is involved. Or maybe he got voted down by the other High Lords. Now, my question was always why weren’t they folded into Malcador’s nascent Inquisition? I’m guessing it had to do with the fact that Malcador was dead & other, less pragmatic individuals, took up the leadership of that organization.
it would make sense to have an enclave within the Inquisition, but it was best not to combine them. Either would be a check on the other, within the same organization its easier for both to fall.
and you are right, the Eisenhorn and Dark Imperium novels make it clear just what an effect the pariahs have on mortals. There is no stigma that compares to the visceral disgust they impart on mortals; its barely tolerable by those who are seriously invested in tolerating it (Eisenhorn’s survival + love), let alone a bureaucracy. Wolflord’s statement on this was a bit of a throw away but you gotta pad the videos somehow 🤔
The High Lords will talk shit to anyone except the Emperor. They are lucky G man returned. If it had been the Khan, Russ or the Lion, they all would have been killed in the Senate chamber
@Michal Nemet No way, the Custodes are outright feared by the High Lords. From my reading, when the Custodes deign to voice their opinion to other mere mortal High Lords, they get what they want. Period. They probably just stayed out of it. The Sisters were loyal, valuable soldiers, but the Custodes have turned a blind eye to many, MANY such soldiers being screwed over unfairly. I don't really get the hate towards Guilliman. He's actually a grounded, pretty reasonable Primarch. I find him the most relatable Primarch. He seems to genuinely care for ordinary humans, a trait only a few of his brothers actually shared.
Strictly speaking, the SoS do still oversee the Black Ships and so contribute to one of the sadder bits of 40k lore, namely that thousands of psykers must be sacrificed every day to keep the Emperor alive. The Custodes may be a skeleton's golden bodyguards, but the sister are his literal life support at this point. Neither are particularly happy with the situation as is and neither are interested in helping a parody of their master's vision for humanity. The Custodes were just as sidelined, and it was largely voluntary. Still I would like to see more SoS models now that the Custodes have gotten love. (Additionally: It important to note that while the custodes are certainly used to SoS's blank influence nibbling at their edges of their souls most everyone else would much rather not be in the presence of a group of quiet weirdos' who creepily stare at people while lurking about the dark corners of the room.)
@Michal Nemet The emperor spoke to Guilliman upon his return and to Alicia Dominica (the leader of the proto-sisters-of-battle) during age of apostasy. The fight with Horus left the Emperor mortally wounded, but he didn't outright die thanks to the diligence of his talons. His fractured soul is yet still loosely grounded to the material realm by his skeleton. The dark Imperium books have pretty much confirmed, the emperor is still alive although a shadow of his former self or perhaps he just can't hide his true self anymore.
@Michal Nemet the emperor is a perpetual, he can’t die. Dan abnett said in an interview describing the golden throne that the emperor is constantly dying on the golden throne and coming back to life. Also the emperor has been active lately as he saved gulliman in godblight. Your theory is interesting but I do not believe it to be based in fact.
One thing that has always struck me is that how the outcast and the ignored always find kinship with the salamanders, and for me its the fact that the salamanders work within the constructs of the imperium but there religion isnt of the imperium main, and they work for the people of the imperium, not the thesis of the imperium.
And it should be your honor to do so, the emperor has a plan. Your heretical tone is noted and reports filed with the appropriate authorities. Praise be.
None of us could even begin to comprehend his genius. None of us would be able to not become a danger to humanity if we were to lift the vail of secrecy.
They are. But they were initially (and once again) part of the Talons of the Emperor. The Imperiam left them by the wayside after the heresy, and the only ones who weren't left for dead were the ones who manned the blackships under the order of the Emperor - once it became clear that a thousand psykers would need to be fed to the Throne each day. Honestly, just go listen to The Emperor's Legion, it explains it fairly well and it's just a really good story.
I think its more like their biggest branch (The Emperors Talons) was broken off. So like 90% of them were laid off while some of them still had their usefulness in other tasks like aiding the inquisition and such.
Some of the Black Ships have Sisters of Battle and regular blanks on them. Thats from one or two of the books that centre on the Sister of Battle and the SOS are never mentioned in there. So maybe the Imperium went another path even with the black ships?
@@citizenkhan4696 It might also be another case of Inquisitorial dick messuring I doublt the SOS would take orders over following their own path if thats what their own mandate demands Inquisition take people going their own way like a toddler losing candy! The enamies of the SOS were ballsy enough to attack the Somnus Citadel almost right after they returned!
Keep in mind that no one felt comfortable with the Sisters except Malcador and the Emperor. Even Rogal Dorn and Constatine Valdor did not feel at ease with Jenetia Krole being in the same room with them. While I can see Guilliman or Dorn being able to tolerate them and understanding their necessity, I can also see most of the other High Lords of Terra and a couple of the Primarchs simply not realizing their importance and dismissing them from Imperial Service. Ii should be noted that one of the first things Roboute did when he made it to Terra was to recall all the Sisters of Silence. While Trajann Valoris may have already trying to do it, Roboute made it clear that he wanted the Sisters of Silence back in the fold.
In contrast to space marines and custodes the sisters of silence had given oaths out of loyalty and not genetic manipulation so they would be more difficult to manipulate by the high lords of tera while the emperor was out of order.
Love the Sisters of Silence they are so cool and work so well with the Custodes. I would love to see some lore with them helping Astartes and working with them to see more elements of their power and respect from other forces.
they got a portion of the Thunder Warrior treatment, at least they we're able to live unlike many of the thunder warriors, the thunder warriors could have still had a use in the formation of the space marines, as veterans to lead the newly formed legions out into the stars, only to die by attrition of service that claims so many space marines, but in that time, they could have passed on most of their knowledge to the newly formed legions instead of unceremoniously gunned down upon terra after taking the last stronghold of resistance.
@@ekulerudamuru in a galaxy of war, their numbers could have been whittled down, and for what number of thunder warriors were around, split up in to the 20 or so legions some legions having high attrition ratings and need for replacement the over all numbers would be few.
@Michal Nemet than how do you explain how some Thunder Warriors survived well past their life expectancy from those that escaped the culling, as well as showed a capacity to go beyond just their conceptual understanding at the time, to work out a way to extend their lives, there are stories out there where Space marines encountered Thunder Warriors, but not large groups of thunder warriors. 1 TW is equal to 5 or 6 SM from a story I heard once.
The emperor never saw his troops as people, just tools to be replaced. The thunder warriors were intentionally built to fail after unification like electronics that break right after their warranty runs out. Since they were made from grown men they could think for themselves and turn on him once they realized what he'd done to them, so he built tools that were incapable of doing either to get rid of them, and tools that were cheaper to replace them.
I admittedly have not read as many of the novels as other have. But I was always under the impression that the Sisters of Silence were the ones who crewed the black ships. Like were they still doing that job and had just lost their more battlefield role with the honor and prestige that came with it?
That's pretty much how i see it. They were broken as a force, but due to being needed on the black ships, they (or i guess their connection with the Imperium) weren't rendered extinct. These things must have happened very close to one another... Joining the black ships could maybe have been the last action they took as an institution.
If i remember the story correctly when they re connected with the sisters they where surprised because they where talking. When they returned to Terra they where brought before the Emperor and re stated there vows
The Custodes negligence is an odd one. On the one hand they only care about safeguarding the Emperor. So them not caring about the fate of other loyal citizens rings true but the sisters are too useful a weapon to defend the Emperor with. Unless their presence being blanks interfered with the Emperor's well being. That's the only reason I can see that makes sense. So rather than exterminating them like the Thunder Warriors they allowed them to be exiled until they were needed most
I always thought the Imperium betrayed them because they were blanks the whole thing with blanks is that they're like inherently off-putting? Like an accidental layoff?
Imo it was like "we have enough for the black ships to work well enough now begon foul monsters! Your presence is no longer welcomed!" They probably thought they would only need so much instead of a standing army and like even "normal" thinking felt feel disgust, paranodia and the need to run or fight near the blanks even if they know it "normal", just being near one hurts.
They are blanks. Anyone who wants to know how they could be cast away needs to read Eisenhorn and his first meeting with Belquin (I know I murdered the spelling). Blanks literally make normal people sick just due to their presence.
Lmao. Sisters of Silence didn't like the " thunder warrior-lite" treatment. At least they didn't get wiped out. Still. That does make me wonder: why didn't the Custodes stick up for them??
My old head cannon was rather simple. The custodes turned inward when the emperor was struck down. Clad themselves in black for mourning and put on a type of self penance. The sisters of silence went outward, in a similar style of self penance by only working the black ships. This old head cannon still fits a tiny bit, but it was either before I knew more of their story or before more lore was added or changed. Reading the responses on this video has been awesome though. Everything is cannon, though nothing is true.
I kinda like these imperfections and inconsistencies, the more you look at organisations in the real world the more flaws you find from successors misunderstanding the founders intent, it gives the lore a bit more depth. I like to think of SOS as auxiliaries for Custodes when they were in demon hunting role, and Big E wanted them to do the same for Grey Knights but he and Malcador died and they got lost in limbo.
I think it's super obvious: NOONE liked them or even COULD like them, since their very presence makes you literally wanna throw up badly. A mere look in their cold, soulless eyes and you can't stop vomiting
I feel that the 2 main groups at fault for the downfall of the SoS are, GW in real life as they didn't see them as a selling option for the tabletop, and in lore terms, I do strongly believe with you Wolf Lord, the boys in gold. They could have easily kept the SoS within the Imperium fully, as stated, they had already started to do it before RG turned up
From the perspective of the custodies they assigned themselves to their place and role they didn’t exactly ask they just did it maybe the sisters of silence should have asserted themselves into a place of power that no one could challenge.
Well, I think the ladys should have stuck to their guns and let the Emperium run itself into the ground. Watching over the corpse, okay, but not more. As for the golden boys... There is an old saying, that roughly translates to "We are not only responsible for what we do, but also for everything we let happen without trying to prevent/oppose it.", so there you have the answer for my part. And since they are part of the high lords, we also get "In for a penny, in for a pound.".
I agree without the sister everything would have been different. Magnus would have beaten Russ And the golden throne could have been used by him. I still love them
The Imperium was never the Emperor's one. He built it so that it would become it's own thing. You could even argue that Malacor was actually the real builder of the Imperium while the Emperor was it's leader. Remember: they, many times, said that the Imperium was for "Normal humans", Not augmented ones. There is a reason the Emperor had no "control" over the Mechanicum, just an alliance.
I always felt bad for the pariahs of the imperium treated as the personification of the witch trials because there not as special as the untouchables nore as valuable as the perpetuals and make everyone who has brushed with the warp feel uncomfortable ( the Astro telepathica don’t like them because they are way too close to the warp )
Reflecting on the grand scheme of the lore there is a mistake on the writing of it, because the Emporium secretly needs the Sister of Silence to man the hundreds of Black Ships to collect the thousands of unsanctioned psychers to be sacrificed on the golden throne to keep the Emperor alive and also to maintain a reserve stock of unsanctioned psychers in the Imperial Palace dungeons incase the supply dangerously runs out or warp storms cause a supply chain issue. I imagined that there are hundreds of black ships thousands of Sisters of Silence members traveling to the million worlds of the Emporium to hunt, collect, then transport 365,000 unsanctioned psychers every year to the golden throne. The lore situation doesn’t make sense. Without the Sisters of Silence the Emperor will die, and Custodies would not allow that to happen.
@Michal Nemet auto correct causes that typo. That’s the nature of observation with the watchers of the throne novel. Let’s say 2 squads minimum to guard a Black Ship. How many Black Ships are there to supply unsanctioned psychers to Terra for the Golden Throne? How long does the process take for one ship to collect 1000 unsanctioned psychers and bring them to Terra then bring those 1000 psychers to the Golden Throne to be sacrificed to the Emperor? Described in the novel the Master of Mankind, you will need like a 100 ships or even more if you a ‘grim dark’ narrative was to be written. I am still confused on how the Custodes allowed the High Lords of Terra to ignore and reduce the Sisters of Silence’s maintenance and security as described in novel Watchers of the Throne.
Unfortunately for blanks, their very existence brings a lot of unease and disgust to people. Given the general lack of foresight (and incompetence) of the high lords and disappearance of the primarchs, it isn't too surprising they would be cast aside.
Its mentioned it was because of their null that people didnt want them around. Also yeah for the custodes too this is not their imperium they serve the emperor not the imperium
The 40k imperium is like the lost primarchs. The emperor loves it, but it is naught but a failed experiment and is likely to be swept under the rug of history
Maybe its part of being a paraiah. Thought of them just slips away from the mind. So they werent so much 'cast aside' as just never really concidered, dispite all their skills.
@Michal Nemet it shows how powerful Malcador’s and The Emperor’s psychic powers are. Not even the power of the Anthema Psychana can suppress their power including being around an army of them…lol
yeah you dont need sisters of silence until you see a rogue psyker puts a titan on its arse. thats just bizzaire how they so brazenly overturn the emperor's own work
So the sisters can feel justified resentment, but the brazen drakes shouldn’t??? They weren’t shut out in the cold, they were hunted and executed! Double standards.
Well once they'd set up grey Knights and the Inquisition especially they were put on the back bench because they belonged to the team that didn't protect the Emperor! Possibly they thought thse women should have got back in the kitchen making chicken soup for the old team !lol
If they didn't want to be outcast they could have tried having souls... or just recruiting a few emissaries that weren't blanks to deal with normal people. Lol
Yea no doubt. Weird how Rho didn't even bring up maybe it was partly their fault. They could have gotten cunty and nobody wanted them around anymore. Haha.
Let's be honest, by the 10k years custodies did almost nothing, while becoming jerks and arrogant. Even towards Guilliman, SON OF THE EMPEROR, they were far from polite.
The reason for the downfall of this organisation is religion, politics and neglect. The silent Sisterhood was and is still officially the witchfinder department under the overall structure of the Adeptus Astro-Telepathica. This is the Imperiums Psyker department responsible for all Astropaths and the training of sanctioned Psykers. This is a highlord level powerful Adeptus. They also worked directly with the Custodian Guard, but that was never officially constituted in the Lex Imperial.
When Big E "died" and the loyal primarchs dissappeared, these women only really had the Astro-Telepathica and the Custodian Guard speaking up for them politically. But as soulless, they are really!!! disliked by the Imperial Church. So with such a powerful enemy, and their allies failing them hard, their Citadel on the Moon; The Somnus Citadel was raided and destroyed, the organisation disbanded and its members either burned at the stake or fleed or in some rare cases retained as guards on the Black Ships by the Astro-Telepathica.
The current Captain General of the Custodian Guard began recalling them before the Fall of Cadia and Guilleman reformed them promptly, when he arrived on Terra (turns out they are the best anti-Demon weapons in mankinds fucking arsenal, who knew?)
Their Citadel is being restored, they have a new Sisters Commander and they don't want to obey the Head of the Astro-Telepathica at all! With Guilleman and Trajan Valoris backing them, they are in a solid political position again.
They also in the new codex add that the church views that they have no souls so they can't have faith. The church is stronger than main other factions. Also the custodes basically stopped caring about the imperium unless it would threaten the big e
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@@jonathanbradley9025 prety shure they always cared only about big E, previusly he just ordered them to do thing he needed and they obeyed thus no orders no actions besides ensuring big E safety.
The watchers of the throne books are a must read for every 40k fan
Oh yeah? Aight I’ll check it out.
@@JD-td6oh amazing books my friend,I could give you reasons but I don't want to spoil any of the experience for you 😉 enjoy
Don’t forget to read the two Vaults of Terra novels first! Essential reading for the contemporary lore
100% just finished them and very impressed
The Custodes we're in depression for 10,000 years. They didn't come to the aid of anyone not just the sisters of silence. They put all and only efforts to the protection of the Emperor.
The sisters should not have sat back and waited for someone else to uphold their place and necessity, but made it known and fought for it.
The problem with the sisters, it's difficult to fight for them and stand up for them when their very presence makes you sick and nauseous
would you so readily fight for someone that threw you out? That made it known that you weren't wanted?
@@Tacoguy1000 maybe if you had no where else to go. History is full of people's that have sided with their oppressors because the alternative was certain death.
This is exactly my thoughts on it the custodes didn’t ask for permission to do their duty they just asserted themselves into their primary role.
Custodes does protect people who they think would help the Imperium in the future though, like a custodes watching over Black Templar chapter master when he was just a child.
Still, they could have appointed a non-blank to speak on their behalf, perhaps the inquisitor general of the ordo maleus or something. He understands the necessity of having weapons against daemons due to having a fought daemons and such.
The imperium is quite retarded though.
The Tau should snatch up the sister of silence allegiance. That would be a cool plot point. The greater good would have a place for the sisters.
I hate the Tau but that would be fun.
Simply put, the Sisters of Silence are pariahs. The lore makes it plain how uncomfortable people are around them. I can easily see the High Lords thinking their usefulness was at an end, so the need to tolerate them was too.
As to the Captain-General being a High Lord. It’s been made plain that they typically stay out of politics unless the Imperial household is involved. Or maybe he got voted down by the other High Lords.
Now, my question was always why weren’t they folded into Malcador’s nascent Inquisition? I’m guessing it had to do with the fact that Malcador was dead & other, less pragmatic individuals, took up the leadership of that organization.
I don't think the Captain-General, a custodes, the voice of the emperor can be voted down. Nor that any would dare to.
it would make sense to have an enclave within the Inquisition, but it was best not to combine them. Either would be a check on the other, within the same organization its easier for both to fall.
and you are right, the Eisenhorn and Dark Imperium novels make it clear just what an effect the pariahs have on mortals. There is no stigma that compares to the visceral disgust they impart on mortals; its barely tolerable by those who are seriously invested in tolerating it (Eisenhorn’s survival + love), let alone a bureaucracy. Wolflord’s statement on this was a bit of a throw away but you gotta pad the videos somehow 🤔
The High Lords will talk shit to anyone except the Emperor. They are lucky G man returned. If it had been the Khan, Russ or the Lion, they all would have been killed in the Senate chamber
@Michal Nemet No way, the Custodes are outright feared by the High Lords. From my reading, when the Custodes deign to voice their opinion to other mere mortal High Lords, they get what they want. Period. They probably just stayed out of it. The Sisters were loyal, valuable soldiers, but the Custodes have turned a blind eye to many, MANY such soldiers being screwed over unfairly.
I don't really get the hate towards Guilliman. He's actually a grounded, pretty reasonable Primarch. I find him the most relatable Primarch. He seems to genuinely care for ordinary humans, a trait only a few of his brothers actually shared.
Strictly speaking, the SoS do still oversee the Black Ships and so contribute to one of the sadder bits of 40k lore, namely that thousands of psykers must be sacrificed every day to keep the Emperor alive. The Custodes may be a skeleton's golden bodyguards, but the sister are his literal life support at this point. Neither are particularly happy with the situation as is and neither are interested in helping a parody of their master's vision for humanity. The Custodes were just as sidelined, and it was largely voluntary.
Still I would like to see more SoS models now that the Custodes have gotten love. (Additionally: It important to note that while the custodes are certainly used to SoS's blank influence nibbling at their edges of their souls most everyone else would much rather not be in the presence of a group of quiet weirdos' who creepily stare at people while lurking about the dark corners of the room.)
@Michal Nemet The emperor spoke to Guilliman upon his return and to Alicia Dominica (the leader of the proto-sisters-of-battle) during age of apostasy. The fight with Horus left the Emperor mortally wounded, but he didn't outright die thanks to the diligence of his talons. His fractured soul is yet still loosely grounded to the material realm by his skeleton.
The dark Imperium books have pretty much confirmed, the emperor is still alive although a shadow of his former self or perhaps he just can't hide his true self anymore.
@Michal Nemet the emperor is a perpetual, he can’t die. Dan abnett said in an interview describing the golden throne that the emperor is constantly dying on the golden throne and coming back to life. Also the emperor has been active lately as he saved gulliman in godblight. Your theory is interesting but I do not believe it to be based in fact.
@Michal Nemet VULCAN LIVES
@Michal Nemet ok heretic
This lore is similar to how Games Worshop betrayed their customers with predatory business practices.
except people keep buying =D
@@Nathan_Moor Well yeah, because they love the hobby and at the same time have the money to buy them.
@@vothbetilia4862 yeah, saddly the only way I see the things changing is if something appears that can compete with Gameswork shop.
@@Nathan_Moor well depends, recently GW got pressured just now about the Eldar codex being bad, so they changed it and made it better.
@@vothbetilia4862 I didn't know that, that's nice, cheers for a better future ^^
One thing that has always struck me is that how the outcast and the ignored always find kinship with the salamanders, and for me its the fact that the salamanders work within the constructs of the imperium but there religion isnt of the imperium main, and they work for the people of the imperium, not the thesis of the imperium.
It always happens.
You fight for Emperor when when the fighting's done you're cast aside.
And it should be your honor to do so, the emperor has a plan.
Your heretical tone is noted and reports filed with the appropriate authorities.
Praise be.
@@sharper68 if he has l just wish he'd tell me.
None of us could even begin to comprehend his genius.
None of us would be able to not become a danger to humanity if we were to lift the vail of secrecy.
@@timothylyons5686 Have faith or be dammed, the choice is simple.
I'm just a simple guardsman. Who's going to care about me.
Just one of the millions fighting and dying
' for the Emperor'.
The sisters of silence definitely deserved better. Another horrible decision by the Custodes and High lords on display
Both factions need a good slapping, and I suspect the fluff is slowly leading us in this direction.
Seems like a weird piece of lore. I always thought the SoS were the part of the teams that go out on the black ships looking for rogue psykers.
They are. But they were initially (and once again) part of the Talons of the Emperor. The Imperiam left them by the wayside after the heresy, and the only ones who weren't left for dead were the ones who manned the blackships under the order of the Emperor - once it became clear that a thousand psykers would need to be fed to the Throne each day.
Honestly, just go listen to The Emperor's Legion, it explains it fairly well and it's just a really good story.
I think its more like their biggest branch (The Emperors Talons) was broken off. So like 90% of them were laid off while some of them still had their usefulness in other tasks like aiding the inquisition and such.
Some of the Black Ships have Sisters of Battle and regular blanks on them. Thats from one or two of the books that centre on the Sister of Battle and the SOS are never mentioned in there. So maybe the Imperium went another path even with the black ships?
Ergo woukd have frequent Palace contact.
@@citizenkhan4696 It might also be another case of Inquisitorial dick messuring I doublt the SOS would take orders over following their own path if thats what their own mandate demands Inquisition take people going their own way like a toddler losing candy! The enamies of the SOS were ballsy enough to attack the Somnus Citadel almost right after they returned!
Keep in mind that no one felt comfortable with the Sisters except Malcador and the Emperor. Even Rogal Dorn and Constatine Valdor did not feel at ease with Jenetia Krole being in the same room with them. While I can see Guilliman or Dorn being able to tolerate them and understanding their necessity, I can also see most of the other High Lords of Terra and a couple of the Primarchs simply not realizing their importance and dismissing them from Imperial Service.
Ii should be noted that one of the first things Roboute did when he made it to Terra was to recall all the Sisters of Silence. While Trajann Valoris may have already trying to do it, Roboute made it clear that he wanted the Sisters of Silence back in the fold.
I loved how piers saw that Sister who saved him and could see her. Where normally they're hard to look at. In the HH book Saturine
@Dark Highwayman I loved when Kahn killed her by accident and was all wtf was that?
Could have sworn the Silent Sisterhood was essential to the operation of the Black Ships and the psychic tithes?
In contrast to space marines and custodes the sisters of silence had given oaths out of loyalty and not genetic manipulation so they would be more difficult to manipulate by the high lords of tera while the emperor was out of order.
"O Great and mighty Sisters of Silence, y u no help?"
"I dunno. y u no care?"
Love the Sisters of Silence they are so cool and work so well with the Custodes. I would love to see some lore with them helping Astartes and working with them to see more elements of their power and respect from other forces.
they got a portion of the Thunder Warrior treatment, at least they we're able to live unlike many of the thunder warriors, the thunder warriors could have still had a use in the formation of the space marines, as veterans to lead the newly formed legions out into the stars, only to die by attrition of service that claims so many space marines, but in that time, they could have passed on most of their knowledge to the newly formed legions instead of unceremoniously gunned down upon terra after taking the last stronghold of resistance.
Thunder warrior are flawed though, they will fall to chaos sooner and fatser if they were left to live
@@ekulerudamuru in a galaxy of war, their numbers could have been whittled down, and for what number of thunder warriors were around, split up in to the 20 or so legions some legions having high attrition ratings and need for replacement the over all numbers would be few.
@Michal Nemet than how do you explain how some Thunder Warriors survived well past their life expectancy from those that escaped the culling, as well as showed a capacity to go beyond just their conceptual understanding at the time, to work out a way to extend their lives, there are stories out there where Space marines encountered Thunder Warriors, but not large groups of thunder warriors. 1 TW is equal to 5 or 6 SM from a story I heard once.
The emperor never saw his troops as people, just tools to be replaced. The thunder warriors were intentionally built to fail after unification like electronics that break right after their warranty runs out. Since they were made from grown men they could think for themselves and turn on him once they realized what he'd done to them, so he built tools that were incapable of doing either to get rid of them, and tools that were cheaper to replace them.
I admittedly have not read as many of the novels as other have. But I was always under the impression that the Sisters of Silence were the ones who crewed the black ships. Like were they still doing that job and had just lost their more battlefield role with the honor and prestige that came with it?
That's pretty much how i see it. They were broken as a force, but due to being needed on the black ships, they (or i guess their connection with the Imperium) weren't rendered extinct. These things must have happened very close to one another... Joining the black ships could maybe have been the last action they took as an institution.
If i remember the story correctly when they re connected with the sisters they where surprised because they where talking. When they returned to Terra they where brought before the Emperor and re stated there vows
Typical government. Shows loyalty to none. Demands loyalty from all.
AHAhahaahahaah that's actually the first time I had to stop you from the spoiler! lolll that was funny now I have to finish The Beast
The Custodes negligence is an odd one. On the one hand they only care about safeguarding the Emperor. So them not caring about the fate of other loyal citizens rings true but the sisters are too useful a weapon to defend the Emperor with.
Unless their presence being blanks interfered with the Emperor's well being. That's the only reason I can see that makes sense. So rather than exterminating them like the Thunder Warriors they allowed them to be exiled until they were needed most
I always thought the Imperium betrayed them because they were blanks the whole thing with blanks is that they're like inherently off-putting? Like an accidental layoff?
Imo it was like "we have enough for the black ships to work well enough now begon foul monsters! Your presence is no longer welcomed!"
They probably thought they would only need so much instead of a standing army and like even "normal" thinking felt feel disgust, paranodia and the need to run or fight near the blanks even if they know it "normal", just being near one hurts.
They are blanks. Anyone who wants to know how they could be cast away needs to read Eisenhorn and his first meeting with Belquin (I know I murdered the spelling). Blanks literally make normal people sick just due to their presence.
The Sisters of Silence need a hug. Not just with all this betrayal, but because they're nulls and probably have never actually had a hug before.
Lmao. Sisters of Silence didn't like the " thunder warrior-lite" treatment. At least they didn't get wiped out.
Still. That does make me wonder: why didn't the Custodes stick up for them??
My old head cannon was rather simple. The custodes turned inward when the emperor was struck down. Clad themselves in black for mourning and put on a type of self penance.
The sisters of silence went outward, in a similar style of self penance by only working the black ships.
This old head cannon still fits a tiny bit, but it was either before I knew more of their story or before more lore was added or changed.
Reading the responses on this video has been awesome though.
Everything is cannon, though nothing is true.
I kinda like these imperfections and inconsistencies, the more you look at organisations in the real world the more flaws you find from successors misunderstanding the founders intent, it gives the lore a bit more depth.
I like to think of SOS as auxiliaries for Custodes when they were in demon hunting role, and Big E wanted them to do the same for Grey Knights but he and Malcador died and they got lost in limbo.
the REAL reason why the sisters were cast aside is because gw forgot about them.🤣
and you all know this is true.
I think it's super obvious: NOONE liked them or even COULD like them, since their very presence makes you literally wanna throw up badly. A mere look in their cold, soulless eyes and you can't stop vomiting
Also… Anyone else think it’s weird that a subspecies of humanity that is known for not having emotions… Is dwelling on an emotion?
Sounds like corruption to me
@@herrnase4340 it’s an accepted as the Navigator families.
I love the Silent ladies and what happened to them is a tragedy.
I feel that the 2 main groups at fault for the downfall of the SoS are, GW in real life as they didn't see them as a selling option for the tabletop, and in lore terms, I do strongly believe with you Wolf Lord, the boys in gold. They could have easily kept the SoS within the Imperium fully, as stated, they had already started to do it before RG turned up
At it’s core, The Horus Heresy was about the Primarch’s realization that one day they too would be cast aside.
Not "realisation", a fear. One that the Gods of Chaos preyed on.
@@Kainlarsen I mean Malcador told Horus to his face that they would never rule the humans.
From the perspective of the custodies they assigned themselves to their place and role they didn’t exactly ask they just did it maybe the sisters of silence should have asserted themselves into a place of power that no one could challenge.
Well, I think the ladys should have stuck to their guns and let the Emperium run itself into the ground. Watching over the corpse, okay, but not more.
As for the golden boys... There is an old saying, that roughly translates to "We are not only responsible for what we do, but also for everything we let happen without trying to prevent/oppose it.", so there you have the answer for my part. And since they are part of the high lords, we also get "In for a penny, in for a pound.".
I agree without the sister everything would have been different.
Magnus would have beaten Russ
And the golden throne could have been used by him.
I still love them
I thought that the sisters had been serving in the black ships the entire time?
The Imperium was never the Emperor's one. He built it so that it would become it's own thing. You could even argue that Malacor was actually the real builder of the Imperium while the Emperor was it's leader. Remember: they, many times, said that the Imperium was for "Normal humans", Not augmented ones. There is a reason the Emperor had no "control" over the Mechanicum, just an alliance.
I always felt bad for the pariahs of the imperium treated as the personification of the witch trials because there not as special as the untouchables nore as valuable as the perpetuals and make everyone who has brushed with the warp feel uncomfortable ( the Astro telepathica don’t like them because they are way too close to the warp )
And so for the discarded...The Imperium fell...
The sisters should have just spoken up for themselves, or are the Custodes just supposed to be mind readers? Sheesh Sisters! am i right?
It was probably the navigator houses they have always hated blanks!!!$$$+++
Reflecting on the grand scheme of the lore there is a mistake on the writing of it, because the Emporium secretly needs the Sister of Silence to man the hundreds of Black Ships to collect the thousands of unsanctioned psychers to be sacrificed on the golden throne to keep the Emperor alive and also to maintain a reserve stock of unsanctioned psychers in the Imperial Palace dungeons incase the supply dangerously runs out or warp storms cause a supply chain issue. I imagined that there are hundreds of black ships thousands of Sisters of Silence members traveling to the million worlds of the Emporium to hunt, collect, then transport 365,000 unsanctioned psychers every year to the golden throne.
The lore situation doesn’t make sense. Without the Sisters of Silence the Emperor will die, and Custodies would not allow that to happen.
@Michal Nemet auto correct causes that typo.
That’s the nature of observation with the watchers of the throne novel. Let’s say 2 squads minimum to guard a Black Ship. How many Black Ships are there to supply unsanctioned psychers to Terra for the Golden Throne? How long does the process take for one ship to collect 1000 unsanctioned psychers and bring them to Terra then bring those 1000 psychers to the Golden Throne to be sacrificed to the Emperor? Described in the novel the Master of Mankind, you will need like a 100 ships or even more if you a ‘grim dark’ narrative was to be written.
I am still confused on how the Custodes allowed the High Lords of Terra to ignore and reduce the Sisters of Silence’s maintenance and security as described in novel Watchers of the Throne.
Watchers of the throne was so good
I've always wondered if the Emperor also has the gifts of the blanks.
Unfortunately for blanks, their very existence brings a lot of unease and disgust to people. Given the general lack of foresight (and incompetence) of the high lords and disappearance of the primarchs, it isn't too surprising they would be cast aside.
Valoras was the first custodes to be a high lord.
Its mentioned it was because of their null that people didnt want them around. Also yeah for the custodes too this is not their imperium they serve the emperor not the imperium
currently reading Empereor of Mankind, love synergy of Sisters and Custodes
The 40k imperium is like the lost primarchs. The emperor loves it, but it is naught but a failed experiment and is likely to be swept under the rug of history
But are the Sisters alloted blank children by the Schola Progenium, or do they simply kidnap blanks?
Do Sisters' null field make them hate each other or are fellow Sisters the only ones who don't feel the effect?
Fellow blank and alpha plus psyker
does black library still print their books or did they go digital across the board?
You know what’s funny … it all worked out in the end… lol
gimme sister of silence gf - I just want my mind become and sould be clear
Grudge of the Sisters of Silence: Betrayed by Amazon
Maybe its part of being a paraiah. Thought of them just slips away from the mind. So they werent so much 'cast aside' as just never really concidered, dispite all their skills.
Are the Sisters of Silence also called Sentinels/Sentries?
They dont know what a grudge are! Only the dommaz Kron can contain grudges!
How was Malcador able to be in the presence around an army of anathema psychicana, it must have been very taxing on him?
@Michal Nemet it shows how powerful Malcador’s and The Emperor’s psychic powers are. Not even the power of the Anthema Psychana can suppress their power including being around an army of them…lol
I mean... they are blanks... ya they were descarded as soon as they could be. Makes sence to me.
I agree. Emperors legion is so good. And vulkan is number 1
I feel that this will be retconed in the future
yeah you dont need sisters of silence until you see a rogue psyker puts a titan on its arse. thats just bizzaire how they so brazenly overturn the emperor's own work
what's the name of the book that guilliman came back in?
Say thanks to Guilliman who revived them
So the sisters can feel justified resentment, but the brazen drakes shouldn’t??? They weren’t shut out in the cold, they were hunted and executed! Double standards.
Well once they'd set up grey Knights and the Inquisition especially they were put on the back bench because they belonged to the team that didn't protect the Emperor! Possibly they thought thse women should have got back in the kitchen making chicken soup for the old team !lol
Does anyone have a link to the background music to the video, I swear he uploaded it I just can't find it :(
czcams.com/video/x5pHXxJBzCk/video.html
I love the sisters
Cheers.
Women never forget.
If they didn't want to be outcast they could have tried having souls... or just recruiting a few emissaries that weren't blanks to deal with normal people. Lol
Yea no doubt. Weird how Rho didn't even bring up maybe it was partly their fault. They could have gotten cunty and nobody wanted them around anymore. Haha.
@@jdgoesham5381 blanks make people uncomfortable. Innately. And they are pariahs too. As in both literally and class. Lol
I know some mind controlly blue people who would very much appreciate having anti psyker weapons in their arsenal...for the greater good...
Thunder warriors.
I don't think there's a w40k novel you don't think is amazing lord rho..
Mystery? No Lazyness on writing stories for women! Come on, GW, It's 2022 not 1952.
Let's be honest, by the 10k years custodies did almost nothing, while becoming jerks and arrogant. Even towards Guilliman, SON OF THE EMPEROR, they were far from polite.
Politics, infighting, uncaring superiors. Why not give all this silliness up and come and join Nurgle. Nurgle is kind and generous.
IDK, maybe they were annoying and were sent away because of that? Maybe they started yapping? Haha.
There's only one reason the sisters were cast aside. And that's institutional misogyny.
Joke. Hope 40k never changes!
Warhammer rightly puts women aside to the degree possible.
Mostly.
False
Must be their period…
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@@christophercombs7561 Redacted you mean
@@oldlyswansea lol no it really doesnt
@@mrgriff7677 there are always secondary objectives lol
They told me I could sleep with the emperor