Ideally, Dev people pick up more understanding of operations, and Operations folk learn more about Development, Silos are broken down and Dev and Operations folk get along better.. In reality, I'm seeing a lot of companies just latch onto the "DevOps" branding and just rename their "Dev" team to "DevOps".
I completely relate to your thoughts in this video! I am on the ops side and have felt the same way for a long time, especially with how technology is evolving. It’s time for me to start transitioning towards DevOps.
It's tough because this industry moves fast -- every 5 years or so, some of the job roles become commoditized, easier to outsource, or consolidated at large cloud providers. What you're doing is really smart -- staying flexible and being willing to move with the industry's currents, learn new stuff, and adapt your previous knowledge for whatever new world we're always getting into is a pretty surefire way to do really well in this industry. That said, a lot of the old stuff never really goes out of fashion, and being super specialized in a specific thing is often also a really good move (higher risk, but occasionally higher-reward).
I think you're right about the vision that management has about ops, I'm currently working to move into devops by learning Python and the tools required for the job
“The marketing has been done for you” that’s probably the best argument for devops. In the small business market i generally work in we are retooling to support micro-business with digital transformation. But its the same argument about being a profit center.
All great points in the video. Your perspective from the channel inspired me to start my own journey moving away from world of being a "traditional" Windows sysadmin and diving into the world of DevOps next. For better or worse, I think we will soon reach a point where most IT professionals will have to know automation skills whether it's programming/using common DevOps tools. Keep it up!
Thank you! This video made me completely change my skill assessment. I've been working for a long time just to improve environments for developers and testers by using their tools and my programming skills.
Thank you for these videos. I think alot of people find "devops" as a one way direction towards a certification. Alot of people have great skills but not informed enough(me however). But yet again thanks for the clarity
I can't wait for the next video, I have a big experience as IT manager, and I also have been involved in devops tasks ocasionally (knowing different kind of devops techs) but I think is not enough for some companies to be considered even if it's an entry level.
I think in many companies this is a mandatory transition that is dictated more by management than employees but i can imagine that some companies are set very conservatively and this initiative has to come from employees - the sysadmins and developers themselves?
I did a stint as devops. I started out in ops.First ops for a company with lots of ops to operate. Then my own company. Then got hired as a dev,. Next, another company where I became DevOps. Four different companies, but it was a progression. The dev job ended with me managing Dev and Ops. And the devops job - I was hired to run ops and turned it into devops. Key here -- I built teams across org chart boundaries to accomplish what needed to be done and was given titles to match the reality of those teams once the org chart people noticed how things had changed. It took people skills and patience and the moxy to ignore the official role and build a new structure. So, it could have gone terribly wrong. I'm not recommending it. But people skills and team building are things I endorse. If you do good work and focus on the company's goals, it can work out well. Or not, because corporate politics. So ... people skills.
Couldn't agree more, I am a windows sysadmin of 15 years with good powershell scripting and now moving over to a Devops role in a different company using aws and linux. The old traditional ways of delivering infrastructure are slowly aging. IAAC is clearly the way forward.
majority of the companies puts the devops on the left side of the balance sheet, more so with the logistics companies. so it depends. most of the time devops' skills are just outsourced. the only business model where devops are on the right side of the balance sheet, as you say, is when it's writing software or apps as a commercial close-source product.
I have worked in IT Operations [Tech Support / Help Desk, Systems Admin (Windows), Senior Network Operations Center Systems Admin (Windows w/ a few Linux servers), Network /Systems Admin (Windows) to Senior Support Engineer - Advisor to Technical Support Services (Enterprise Network Attached Storage - Linux)] for 18 years. I would love to transition out of IT Ops into more of a Developer / Automation focused role.
I know this may sound toxic, but he is 100% saying the truth about companies treating ops like crap. I had a temporary gig in a company where I worked with a mega senior Linux admin way too good for that company and he was treated like bull compared to dev teams who aren't even worth half of his skills in practice. I am sorry my Linux admin brothers but we need to change to the Devops hype and use these out of the shelf tools just to ship work. No one cares about the fire fighting department if they are doing a fantastic job, and therefore just do contract-based work and be vicious about your salary when you are about to come in and fix what ever miss a senior developer has made because they thought they are better and ops work is easy . Sorry for the rant
I'm a Dev DBA and often my work involves DE type activities, but as I move towards cloud, I am getting more involved with DevOps. I'm in a situation now where I have to choose a new job and I am getting interviews for DevOps roles, but actually choosing this new path is not so easy.
What do you think about the shift towards SRE? I am a "Cloud Engineers" team lead, which is basically DevOps Engineers with extra steps, and we are looking into rebranding as SRE. Do you think there is a fundamental difference between the roles?
At 5:13 was that a Dune reference? I know the newest book to film adaptation is due out this year sometime soon. I really hope Dennis V. can pull it off. The trailer seems promising.
What do you think of "Platform Engineers" where the silo between dev & ops still exists but now the communication between infra & devs is done based on API contracts rather than JIRA tickets. It solves the problems for devs - speed & agility and also on the ops side - codified & reproducible infra is far more reliable than treating infra as pets.
I’m hoping I sparked the idea for this video with the comments I left in one of your older videos :) This will probably make a good series. Many good engineers are very skilled but also very underpaid and take a lot of crap. When they could be on the cool side of Engineering. :) They just don’t know what’s out there, they’re missing out greatly
I work in DevOps and Ops it seems, but am curious in ultimately moving in to a Linux Kernel or eBPF Engineer type position or some thing more lower level. Any thoughts on that? Know any one I could get in touch with? Always appreciate the videos.
I think the "it's a human problem after all" is kind of the difference between the Ops mindset and the devops philosophy, and the same shift needs to happen on the dev side, which is more complex as the financial compensation is not worth the same (devs are already quite well paid / overpaid?)
Do you think Configuration Management such as Ansible is becoming less and less important with immutable infrastructure such as Packer, Podman and Terraform? Is it learning investing time in learning it or should I just know the absolute basics of Ansible and I‘ll be fine?
All said is nice and right on the point. However people need to know that devops will be creating the ops and then after sometime they have to gid rid off the majority of ops they have created. As you said devops will help delivery more faster and more efficient but all of that comes with opsy stuff. The next step is to study all of the ops stuff the team created and try to get rid off it with automation, docs etc to decrease the time spent on ops and increase dev. This is very important otherwise ops will take over and you are back to square one.
I would love to get into DevOps, but I have no idea about landing the first job. I am an IT manager now, but I am not sure about the next step into DevOps.
@@tutoriaLinux thanks I just started back in help desk after teaching computer classes and I'm definitely looking for work that pays better and might even be remote. I know a bit of everything but my best traits are curiosity and problem solving
There's also something to be said in moving from Dev to Devops as I did. Most hiring managers see the dev experience and think they can get a 2 for 1 out of me.
Do you think a tester can move to DevOps if they had exposure to Networking and Cloud? How do I show that I know DevOps tools for getting that first DevOps role? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks
Ideally, Dev people pick up more understanding of operations, and Operations folk learn more about Development, Silos are broken down and Dev and Operations folk get along better..
In reality, I'm seeing a lot of companies just latch onto the "DevOps" branding and just rename their "Dev" team to "DevOps".
#Truth
I completely relate to your thoughts in this video! I am on the ops side and have felt the same way for a long time, especially with how technology is evolving. It’s time for me to start transitioning towards DevOps.
It's tough because this industry moves fast -- every 5 years or so, some of the job roles become commoditized, easier to outsource, or consolidated at large cloud providers. What you're doing is really smart -- staying flexible and being willing to move with the industry's currents, learn new stuff, and adapt your previous knowledge for whatever new world we're always getting into is a pretty surefire way to do really well in this industry. That said, a lot of the old stuff never really goes out of fashion, and being super specialized in a specific thing is often also a really good move (higher risk, but occasionally higher-reward).
I think you're right about the vision that management has about ops, I'm currently working to move into devops by learning Python and the tools required for the job
“The marketing has been done for you” that’s probably the best argument for devops. In the small business market i generally work in we are retooling to support micro-business with digital transformation. But its the same argument about being a profit center.
My god I hate that term "digital transformation", it's just management garbage.
@@ambassadorofpain1 same as devops Its better then cyber TLA’s!
All great points in the video. Your perspective from the channel inspired me to start my own journey moving away from world of being a "traditional" Windows sysadmin and diving into the world of DevOps next. For better or worse, I think we will soon reach a point where most IT professionals will have to know automation skills whether it's programming/using common DevOps tools. Keep it up!
Thank you! This video made me completely change my skill assessment. I've been working for a long time just to improve environments for developers and testers by using their tools and my programming skills.
Many people are trying to get the product out there, but not so many truly understands how things works... And there you will see the difference.
Thank you for these videos. I think alot of people find "devops" as a one way direction towards a certification. Alot of people have great skills but not informed enough(me however).
But yet again thanks for the clarity
I can't wait for the next video, I have a big experience as IT manager, and I also have been involved in devops tasks ocasionally (knowing different kind of devops techs) but I think is not enough for some companies to be considered even if it's an entry level.
I think in many companies this is a mandatory transition that is dictated more by management than employees but i can imagine that some companies are set very conservatively and this initiative has to come from employees - the sysadmins and developers themselves?
I'm currently in Ops and I approve this message.
I did a stint as devops. I started out in ops.First ops for a company with lots of ops to operate. Then my own company. Then got hired as a dev,. Next, another company where I became DevOps. Four different companies, but it was a progression. The dev job ended with me managing Dev and Ops. And the devops job - I was hired to run ops and turned it into devops. Key here -- I built teams across org chart boundaries to accomplish what needed to be done and was given titles to match the reality of those teams once the org chart people noticed how things had changed. It took people skills and patience and the moxy to ignore the official role and build a new structure. So, it could have gone terribly wrong. I'm not recommending it. But people skills and team building are things I endorse. If you do good work and focus on the company's goals, it can work out well. Or not, because corporate politics. So ... people skills.
Oh that’s definitely where I’m heading. Lol waiting on the next video.
Couldn't agree more, I am a windows sysadmin of 15 years with good powershell scripting and now moving over to a Devops role in a different company using aws and linux. The old traditional ways of delivering infrastructure are slowly aging. IAAC is clearly the way forward.
majority of the companies puts the devops on the left side of the balance sheet, more so with the logistics companies. so it depends. most of the time devops' skills are just outsourced. the only business model where devops are on the right side of the balance sheet, as you say, is when it's writing software or apps as a commercial close-source product.
Can you share the roadmap you've followed in your transition from Linux Admin to DevOps ?
I have worked in IT Operations [Tech Support / Help Desk, Systems Admin (Windows), Senior Network Operations Center Systems Admin (Windows w/ a few Linux servers), Network /Systems Admin (Windows) to Senior Support Engineer - Advisor to Technical Support Services (Enterprise Network Attached Storage - Linux)] for 18 years. I would love to transition out of IT Ops into more of a Developer / Automation focused role.
I know this may sound toxic, but he is 100% saying the truth about companies treating ops like crap.
I had a temporary gig in a company where I worked with a mega senior Linux admin way too good for that company and he was treated like bull compared to dev teams who aren't even worth half of his skills in practice.
I am sorry my Linux admin brothers but we need to change to the Devops hype and use these out of the shelf tools just to ship work.
No one cares about the fire fighting department if they are doing a fantastic job, and therefore just do contract-based work and be vicious about your salary when you are about to come in and fix what ever miss a senior developer has made because they thought they are better and ops work is easy .
Sorry for the rant
I'm a Dev DBA and often my work involves DE type activities, but as I move towards cloud, I am getting more involved with DevOps. I'm in a situation now where I have to choose a new job and I am getting interviews for DevOps roles, but actually choosing this new path is not so easy.
Keep at it! Go through some interviews, get some feedback, keep learning, and you’ll get there.
What do you think about the shift towards SRE?
I am a "Cloud Engineers" team lead, which is basically DevOps Engineers with extra steps, and we are looking into rebranding as SRE. Do you think there is a fundamental difference between the roles?
At 5:13 was that a Dune reference? I know the newest book to film adaptation is due out this year sometime soon. I really hope Dennis V. can pull it off. The trailer seems promising.
Very true
I thought this video was months old and I was looking for the next one for 5 min and just saw the date LOL
Good video.. I use to have that very computer behind you as a kid.. Haha, miss the game Shufflepuck on Mac SE :D Brings back memories.
SHUFFLEPUCK!!
What do you think of "Platform Engineers" where the silo between dev & ops still exists but now the communication between infra & devs is done based on API contracts rather than JIRA tickets. It solves the problems for devs - speed & agility and also on the ops side - codified & reproducible infra is far more reliable than treating infra as pets.
I’m hoping I sparked the idea for this video with the comments I left in one of your older videos :)
This will probably make a good series.
Many good engineers are very skilled but also very underpaid and take a lot of crap. When they could be on the cool side of Engineering. :)
They just don’t know what’s out there, they’re missing out greatly
You did!
I work in DevOps and Ops it seems, but am curious in ultimately moving in to a Linux Kernel or eBPF Engineer type position or some thing more lower level. Any thoughts on that? Know any one I could get in touch with? Always appreciate the videos.
I think the "it's a human problem after all" is kind of the difference between the Ops mindset and the devops philosophy, and the same shift needs to happen on the dev side, which is more complex as the financial compensation is not worth the same (devs are already quite well paid / overpaid?)
Do you think Configuration Management such as Ansible is becoming less and less important with immutable infrastructure such as Packer, Podman and Terraform? Is it learning investing time in learning it or should I just know the absolute basics of Ansible and I‘ll be fine?
All said is nice and right on the point. However people need to know that devops will be creating the ops and then after sometime they have to gid rid off the majority of ops they have created. As you said devops will help delivery more faster and more efficient but all of that comes with opsy stuff. The next step is to study all of the ops stuff the team created and try to get rid off it with automation, docs etc to decrease the time spent on ops and increase dev. This is very important otherwise ops will take over and you are back to square one.
Well said thanks
I would love to get into DevOps, but I have no idea about landing the first job. I am an IT manager now, but I am not sure about the next step into DevOps.
Watch out for the next video! Gonna answer those questions for sure.
@@tutoriaLinux thanks I just started back in help desk after teaching computer classes and I'm definitely looking for work that pays better and might even be remote. I know a bit of everything but my best traits are curiosity and problem solving
There's also something to be said in moving from Dev to Devops as I did. Most hiring managers see the dev experience and think they can get a 2 for 1 out of me.
Do you think a tester can move to DevOps if they had exposure to Networking and Cloud? How do I show that I know DevOps tools for getting that first DevOps role?
Any suggestions welcome.
Thanks
Cool T-shirt! 😂😂😂
ニシキゴイ対猫 (KOIvs CAT) 君は僕のもの (You're mine!!) 😅😅😅 lol
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I like the turtle on Kung Fu Panda. I can't remember his name right now.
"One often finds his destiny on the path he chooses to avoid it."
I think we can all agree that turtles are the best.
ニシキゴイ 対 猫
Cool t-shirt😁
NOC Team Ops forever! 😢
Branding wise... SRE is the new devops LOL