I noticed Armando uses a Zeiss Milvus lens on his C500. Is the 1.4 aperture (T1.6?) of the Milvus a huge benefit over, say, the T2,1 of the CP.3 Zeiss lenses, or the choice of Milvus only comes down to price?
@@martinkulik9466 well the Cx00 series are mostly for commercial, frequent and long use. Sigma FP can do a lot too for around $1000, but it is sure not enough to produce an hour long documentary, say somewhere outside the grid
Max respect this is one CZcamsr along with Armando that I would trust when I am spending money. And the effort put into these videoes is pro-level-- not a gimmick show llike so many others.
Only Gerald can add Easter egg ninja moves like: quietly placing down a metal mount on the table without making a ding, or jump-scare chugging a thousand-dollar expansion flying out of the frame - great catch Julie!
As I wrote on Armando's channel (and I own one of these), we need Canon to offer us another expansion pack. This pack would have a Thunderbolt-3 port on it, and a plastic clip and/or Velco strap. Slide external TBolt-3 SSD into aforementioned clip/strap, connect up the TBolt-3 cable, and now you have 2TB of super-fast storage for $700, vs a quarter of that for $600. Seems like a deal to me. I've given my feedback to the Canon Cine Support guys and they agreed it's a good idea. I have no idea if they'll forward that feedback on to the product guys at Canon or not. I'll bet that if Canon were to offer this, every C500 Mk II owner would buy it.
my goodness, man... this presentation was simply fantastic! The production was impressive, and the content was detailed, important information, and light on the fluff. This is how a review ought to be done. thanks
I like how most youtubers I follow started by reviewing only DSLR/Mirrorless camera and now you're reviewing cine-camera : it kinda shows how you've grown as a cinematographer. Thanks for the great contnet as always, cheers.
Probably the best review on this cam so far... Straight to the point!!! I'm in the market for a new cinema cam and debating b/w this & the C300 MKIII. Wonder if the DGO assists with the raw ISO issue you saw here... Hope you get your hands on that too. Canon should've sent you a pre production model. I watch all GU vids at 2x playback speed.
I was working with this camera a few weeks ago on a short docu-style film. As an editor, I was completely blown away by the colours and image quality. The log is fantastic, it is super easy to make it look good. Especially when the dp had a chance to light a bit... I would pick this camera any day over any Red. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the C300 though.
Canon is taking over the game. A great C500, the R5 and R6, new lenses. Glad I picked Canon when they were the underdog. Now I have lenses for when I upgrade.
Great review.. I was the DP on a feature that we just recut (because the first cut was horrendous) , and it came out amazing .. I used this amazing camera combined with Vintage Contax Zeiss Cinemods .After color grading, I was really happy with the result. . Beware, this camera will spoil you, its absolutely amazing.
Me want. For perspective; back in the day a typical small feature film RENTAL package cost more than that PER WEEK. Add to that the running cost of at least a dollar per second, every time the camera rolls. You guys never had it so good. Love those backlit buttons. Superb as usual, Gerald.
@@willgaines5269 Actually looks like you're right, CZcams does it automatically www.androidpolice.com/2020/04/13/youtube-is-rolling-out-video-chapters-to-help-you-skip-to-the-parts-that-matter
You had the nerdy switch set to turbo boost for this one... even as a C200 owner I had to rewind a couple of times to really catch all the detail! Its odd that they chose not to include a mains power adapter in the box when the C200 comes with one. Very nicely done.
One year on and I'm still in love with mine. I've shot a little more in RAW lately too and although the file size isn't great, being able to punch in across both widescreen and vertical deliveries has been so handy and the image quality is superb, even in XF-AVC. Planning on having this camera for many years.
Well freaking done. Answered every question I had and more I didn't think about. In my search, I have been bouncing around from the C500 MII to a RED, and even looking at Arri. And this video completely sold me on the C500 MII. I am literally buying today!
Like always, amazing review!! Thank you so much. I love the thoroughness of your videos. It really shows you put a lot of time in them. Really appreciate it. After watching your video, I thought the points you marked on the internal RAW was interesting. It is definitely nice to record RAW internally, but the fact it makes it much expensive is something else to consider. Speaking of which, do you think it will be possible to compare the functionality, workflow, and value proposition of some of the popular compressed RAW codecs out there? I am thinking Prores Raw, BRAW, and Canon's cinema light RAW would be amazing since the first two are becoming more and more popular with the developments from Atomos and Blackmagic while the last will be likely supported in the upcoming R5. I don't know. Thought it could be interesting. Anyway, no matter what, hope you keep giving us great stuff like this one.
great review. Been using the C200 for several years. I'm definitely not a pro and found that my skillset of color correction and lighting are more the weak links than the camera itself. Have no idea how you gained such mastery of cameras, exposure, and all the nuances between platforms etc. I can't imagine changing settings in my camera let alone platforms lol
I will never own this camera...not got the skills or the cash....but I always watch because your videos are always so well put together and interesting. 👍👍
Anyone who has ever worked in documentary or indie film will tell you that the audio inputs and controls are at the perfect place - the right side. Away from the camera operator, where your mixer will take care of the audio operations. Cheers from Germany :)
Excellent review. This video could have been a lot longer, but it was the perfect length and still felt like it covered everything. I feel like you've really honed your review style in an efficient and pleasing way!
Cant wait to see your review of the c300 mark iii, price wise thats more suited to me so really keen to see you pull it apart like you did with this, very extensive! Thanks!
This was great Gerald! Crazy things like the weird iso changes when you are not at even increments. That was a thing back in the 5D Mark ii days with certain ISO's cleaner than others. Still little quirks they are yet to iron out but I love how this camera is arm wrestling with the big players for a fraction of the cost. Thanks again for the solid review.
Though it's nice to mention that CF express part B can feature cards up to 4 TB 🙂 So it's also a consideration in this price range that a card that costs 1,800 dollar can last for many many hours of recording high quality without swapping cards or worrying about it
You know that feeling you get when you think you’re knowledgeable about something but then you meet an expert? That’s how I feel when I watch these kinds of videos. I’m like, “Ok...ISO, noise, image stabilization, sharpness, 4K, I follow. Wait...10bit XF AVC? Vertical noise? Banding? Knee? Crap. I gots a lot to learn.”
Great review, and so many good details to consider. With all that said, if I personally had this camera, I don't think I'd use it, simply because it's too "much" for what I do. Obviously in a production environment, it shines, as expected. So my question is, are you going to be using this camera in your workflow? If so, how is it making what you do better (if it is)?
I have to say that because Canon is applying a different way to approach ISO than BM it's not worst but best. When you work at 12,800 ISO it's a delight to see how nice colors you can get considering the iso, how clean the image is, and how usable it actually is. No other camera i know can give you so nice colors in this iso, and you can tune it in DaVinci Resolve at 10 and 12 bit. with little color grading and noise reduction you can cut from iso 800 to 12,800 with no problem. Anyway, i agree it's the best compact cine camera out there
So 2 Panasonic S1H and money for some lenses and accessories. No internal ND but comes with actual image stabilization so it's a fair tradeoff. For those of us that don't need anything beyond 10 bit 422 in a small package.
If we WERE to nitpick, we could say: 1. Sony's implementation of the ND filter is better since it is continuous and has an auto mode. In other words, one has two different means to "pull exposure", namely, iris and automatic continuous ND filter. 2. It's in EF Mount, and can't use the latest and greatest RF Mount options, particularly the "holy trinity" zooms, which have earned plaudits from reviewers for being practically parfocal and has practically no breathing. Both are doable, since FX9 with its FE Mount (with an even shorter flange distance than the RF Mount) has already done it; and if both are offered in Canon's eagerly anticipated Cinema camera in RF Mount, then Sony would be in BIG BIG trouble.
Great review! I think there's going to be a lot of competition in the full frame raw space in the next twelve months. Personally I'm hoping that Blackmagic releases a full frame Pocket 6K or 8K that can do up to 60p full width raw, even if it's a cinemascope crop vertically. THAT would really shake up the industry in competition with the Mavo 8K, Canon R5 and other upcoming full frame cameras.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU MAKING A HONEST VIDEO ON FX9 DRAWBACKS, WEAKNESS, WHERE IT LACKS. REASONS NOT TO BUY FX9. + THINGS TO ADD UP TO FX9 TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE "FILMMAKING" CAMERA, FOR EX... BEST RIG, MAT BOX, ND/PL, EXT REC, BEST V-MOUNT, MICS, EXT MONITOR, ETC.
Outstanding review man appreciate you having me on the channel 👊🏽
As a DP, you both are my go-to sources for gear reviews. Thanks for the in-depth review!
Whens your review coming? Marking my calendar :)
James well I wanted to do a few things but Covid-19 ruined it so not sure. 2-3 weeks?
Armando Ferreira
3:50 Hyperlocal-Distance.
I noticed Armando uses a Zeiss Milvus lens on his C500. Is the 1.4 aperture (T1.6?) of the Milvus a huge benefit over, say, the T2,1 of the CP.3 Zeiss lenses, or the choice of Milvus only comes down to price?
This is not a review. It's a masterclass.
I agree
The way you threw that battery extension unit was classic. do that shit in every video
Just needed a cat sound offscreen. xD
Not sure why I watched it, cause my car is worth less than 1/10th of the price of this camera :).
there are dozens of us
Heck, I just want to be able to afford a RP!
@@evilgeniusentertainment Get a used 5d3 and put magic lantern on it for 1080p 14 bit raw
Thank you for continuing to put out the best in depth videos for us during this weird time
I don't think I'll ever own a $15,000 camera, but it is interesting to hear about it.
Reverend Al it would literally be of no use since u can get similar footage with 1500 usd worthof camera that 99% wouldn’t see a difference
@@martinkulik9466 well the Cx00 series are mostly for commercial, frequent and long use. Sigma FP can do a lot too for around $1000, but it is sure not enough to produce an hour long documentary, say somewhere outside the grid
Max respect this is one CZcamsr along with Armando that I would trust when I am spending money. And the effort put into these videoes is pro-level-- not a gimmick show llike so many others.
11:19 Holy f-
i flinched so hard i spilled my drink all over
Only Gerald can add Easter egg ninja moves like: quietly placing down a metal mount on the table without making a ding, or jump-scare chugging a thousand-dollar expansion flying out of the frame - great catch Julie!
Tossing that battery pack, kinda shocked me like a slap in the face!
It's confirmed. You are the hulk.
As I wrote on Armando's channel (and I own one of these), we need Canon to offer us another expansion pack. This pack would have a Thunderbolt-3 port on it, and a plastic clip and/or Velco strap. Slide external TBolt-3 SSD into aforementioned clip/strap, connect up the TBolt-3 cable, and now you have 2TB of super-fast storage for $700, vs a quarter of that for $600. Seems like a deal to me.
I've given my feedback to the Canon Cine Support guys and they agreed it's a good idea. I have no idea if they'll forward that feedback on to the product guys at Canon or not. I'll bet that if Canon were to offer this, every C500 Mk II owner would buy it.
Everytime Gerald threw something off camera, my heart just stopped for a second! But that confidence though! 🤣
I have never drooled this much over a cine review. I feel enlightened. This video is crispy.
Should've ended with Gerald throwing the c500 off camera too 😂
Tekky Thai yeah this should be a reoccuring thing in every video with a crash sfx. I didn’t like that he cut out the crash sound this time ;)
You'd make a great voiceover artist.
my goodness, man... this presentation was simply fantastic! The production was impressive, and the content was detailed, important information, and light on the fluff. This is how a review ought to be done.
thanks
🤓🙏💜
I like how most youtubers I follow started by reviewing only DSLR/Mirrorless camera and now you're reviewing cine-camera : it kinda shows how you've grown as a cinematographer. Thanks for the great contnet as always, cheers.
Great review! I love seeing Canon come out swinging with all these recent releases and announcements.
Always blown away with the detail of your reviews. Thanks for putting in the work as it's led to some very useful and informed purchases!
I love that theres so little to say about the camera that a slightly shaky screen is one of the complaints
Probably the best review on this cam so far... Straight to the point!!! I'm in the market for a new cinema cam and debating b/w this & the C300 MKIII. Wonder if the DGO assists with the raw ISO issue you saw here... Hope you get your hands on that too. Canon should've sent you a pre production model.
I watch all GU vids at 2x playback speed.
Its 1.30 AM in my country, can't miss your video!
I was working with this camera a few weeks ago on a short docu-style film. As an editor, I was completely blown away by the colours and image quality. The log is fantastic, it is super easy to make it look good. Especially when the dp had a chance to light a bit... I would pick this camera any day over any Red. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the C300 though.
Keep in mind the Fx9 has not been reviewed for the cinema5d list which makes it a somewhat bias take on the camera quality.
Those out of frame throws were BALLER.
"I'm Jeal Dun Dun". I love the auto transcription :D
Canon is taking over the game. A great C500, the R5 and R6, new lenses. Glad I picked Canon when they were the underdog. Now I have lenses for when I upgrade.
Great review.. I was the DP on a feature that we just recut (because the first cut was horrendous) , and it came out amazing .. I used this amazing camera combined with Vintage Contax Zeiss Cinemods .After color grading, I was really happy with the result. . Beware, this camera will spoil you, its absolutely amazing.
Great review Gerald and Armando, thanks for including the ISO tests with noise comparison.
Thank goodness I was watching (for some reason) and was able to catch that battery pack when you tossed it. Jeez Gerald, be careful!
Wow! Just love your reviews. So clear, to the point and professional.
Me want. For perspective; back in the day a typical small feature film RENTAL package cost more than that PER WEEK. Add to that the running cost of at least a dollar per second, every time the camera rolls. You guys never had it so good. Love those backlit buttons. Superb as usual, Gerald.
That is a very interesting comparison. Thanks, Peter! I agree. It's crazy how easy and awesome everything is right now from a gear perspective!
You dont know how i love your video is categorized in parts, incredible review.
This is what camera conspiracies need in his studio it has flippy screen too.
So helpful. Love seeing the breakdowns. This is the closest camera I've seen that starts to share similar quality to the Alexa and Reds
3:18 THAT IS ABSOLUTE MADNESS!
I don't care about this camera, simply I like watching your reviews!
You've gotten so good at reviews like this.
Wow. CZcams is marking your timestamps from the description on the play bar. This is next level.
I assume he added those somehow? Not something that was done automatically.
Amar Gandhi from what I've seen, YT studio doesn't have anything about adding time stamps. But maybe that's a feature for channels with more subs
@@willgaines5269 Actually looks like you're right, CZcams does it automatically www.androidpolice.com/2020/04/13/youtube-is-rolling-out-video-chapters-to-help-you-skip-to-the-parts-that-matter
You had the nerdy switch set to turbo boost for this one... even as a C200 owner I had to rewind a couple of times to really catch all the detail!
Its odd that they chose not to include a mains power adapter in the box when the C200 comes with one.
Very nicely done.
You, Mr. Undone, create the very best technical reviews. Well done, Undone!
One year on and I'm still in love with mine. I've shot a little more in RAW lately too and although the file size isn't great, being able to punch in across both widescreen and vertical deliveries has been so handy and the image quality is superb, even in XF-AVC. Planning on having this camera for many years.
11:19 dude, my heart...
Well freaking done. Answered every question I had and more I didn't think about. In my search, I have been bouncing around from the C500 MII to a RED, and even looking at Arri. And this video completely sold me on the C500 MII. I am literally buying today!
Best audio test script ever. Great video as always!
As always, this is an awesome and perfect review for me!!! Always thanks to you for the undone!!!
This Armando seems like a sweet chap
I couldn't ask for a better review of this camera, now I know what I have to do! (saving money... 😂)
this still the best camera, gerald?
Great job Gerald! I just bought 16 of them for our operations globally, thanks Armando, adios me amigos!
Ayyy haha proud moment that footage i shot made it in your vid! I shot some of the b-roll of the C500 for Armando. Great camera
Finding this channel is my gift of the week !!! Thank you STEINBERG !!
This man just yeeted a $1,600 Expansion Unit.
I played it back at 75%, yes, very helpful.
1:21 shots fired
Hit like before even watching. Love your work Gerald
wow the audio of the c500 is amazing bright and natural
The Sony, Blackmagic or Alexa colour match hahaha. Gold!
Love, love, love your reviews. Simple as that.
I don't have nearly enough money, I just watch your videos cause it interesting 😂
Like always, amazing review!! Thank you so much. I love the thoroughness of your videos. It really shows you put a lot of time in them. Really appreciate it.
After watching your video, I thought the points you marked on the internal RAW was interesting. It is definitely nice to record RAW internally, but the fact it makes it much expensive is something else to consider. Speaking of which, do you think it will be possible to compare the functionality, workflow, and value proposition of some of the popular compressed RAW codecs out there? I am thinking Prores Raw, BRAW, and Canon's cinema light RAW would be amazing since the first two are becoming more and more popular with the developments from Atomos and Blackmagic while the last will be likely supported in the upcoming R5. I don't know. Thought it could be interesting.
Anyway, no matter what, hope you keep giving us great stuff like this one.
great review. Been using the C200 for several years. I'm definitely not a pro and found that my skillset of color correction and lighting are more the weak links than the camera itself. Have no idea how you gained such mastery of cameras, exposure, and all the nuances between platforms etc. I can't imagine changing settings in my camera let alone platforms lol
The reason why the audio controls are on the right side is that the sound technician more easily can access the audio knobs during recording.
I will never own this camera...not got the skills or the cash....but I always watch because your videos are always so well put together and interesting. 👍👍
Anyone who has ever worked in documentary or indie film will tell you that the audio inputs and controls are at the perfect place - the right side. Away from the camera operator, where your mixer will take care of the audio operations. Cheers from Germany :)
Excellent review. This video could have been a lot longer, but it was the perfect length and still felt like it covered everything. I feel like you've really honed your review style in an efficient and pleasing way!
Cant wait to see your review of the c300 mark iii, price wise thats more suited to me so really keen to see you pull it apart like you did with this, very extensive! Thanks!
This Gerald Undone guy does his homework. Straight A student for sure.
Oh my goodness so excited to see this video!!!!!!!
This was great Gerald! Crazy things like the weird iso changes when you are not at even increments. That was a thing back in the 5D Mark ii days with certain ISO's cleaner than others. Still little quirks they are yet to iron out but I love how this camera is arm wrestling with the big players for a fraction of the cost. Thanks again for the solid review.
Though it's nice to mention that CF express part B can feature cards up to 4 TB 🙂 So it's also a consideration in this price range that a card that costs 1,800 dollar can last for many many hours of recording high quality without swapping cards or worrying about it
Your well timed screen recording at 1:22 had me rolling 😂
Anyone want to buy my C200...😂😂😂 Money tips on the ISO info, thanks for the in-depth look Gerald.
Gerald - Its a thousand dollars cheaper.
Also Gerald - hurls it across the room.
Solid review. Great editing and valuable information. Can't wait to get mine one day...
amazing review mate. Good job.
Great breakdown as always Gerald. Thanks
You know that feeling you get when you think you’re knowledgeable about something but then you meet an expert? That’s how I feel when I watch these kinds of videos. I’m like, “Ok...ISO, noise, image stabilization, sharpness, 4K, I follow. Wait...10bit XF AVC? Vertical noise? Banding? Knee? Crap. I gots a lot to learn.”
By the time I can afford one of those, they will be considered an antique.... I can still dream though... Great video!!! 👍
What a monster of a camera
Amazing video! This camera is worth every penny!
Great review, and so many good details to consider. With all that said, if I personally had this camera, I don't think I'd use it, simply because it's too "much" for what I do.
Obviously in a production environment, it shines, as expected. So my question is, are you going to be using this camera in your workflow? If so, how is it making what you do better (if it is)?
I have to say that because Canon is applying a different way to approach ISO than BM it's not worst but best. When you work at 12,800 ISO it's a delight to see how nice colors you can get considering the iso, how clean the image is, and how usable it actually is. No other camera i know can give you so nice colors in this iso, and you can tune it in DaVinci Resolve at 10 and 12 bit. with little color grading and noise reduction you can cut from iso 800 to 12,800 with no problem. Anyway, i agree it's the best compact cine camera out there
That was really fun- You have an angel! and, I'll take the brownies...
I just realized: Gerald Undone channel for video cameras is what Gamers Nexus channel to CPU's and cooling ;)
Love this! Huge compliment. 🙏💜🤓
i agree this camera is really good, the 10 bit footage is as good as raw from the c200 and the image quality is just so good!
So 2 Panasonic S1H and money for some lenses and accessories. No internal ND but comes with actual image stabilization so it's a fair tradeoff. For those of us that don't need anything beyond 10 bit 422 in a small package.
If we WERE to nitpick, we could say:
1. Sony's implementation of the ND filter is better since it is continuous and has an auto mode. In other words, one has two different means to "pull exposure", namely, iris and automatic continuous ND filter.
2. It's in EF Mount, and can't use the latest and greatest RF Mount options, particularly the "holy trinity" zooms, which have earned plaudits from reviewers for being practically parfocal and has practically no breathing.
Both are doable, since FX9 with its FE Mount (with an even shorter flange distance than the RF Mount) has already done it; and if both are offered in Canon's eagerly anticipated Cinema camera in RF Mount, then Sony would be in BIG BIG trouble.
Who tf is gonna use a photography lens on a cinema camera?
@@orlando9666 CZcamsrs... lol
A necessary investment down the line! Great review!
Fabulous insightful review 👍
For those dreaming an excellent compromise C300mklII 🎥🎬👍
My heart skipped a beat when you threw the battery extension unit.
God bless you for your videos ! You are my new star !!!
Impressive. I thought I was a fast talker. But, hey. NICE job, really. Thank you. Mine gets here tomorrow.
Awesome Review! Can't afford that setup, But your breakdown of the Noise through the IOS ranges was next level. Another Great Video 🔥
It sounds expensive, but compared to, say, a Red or Arri camera, it's an absolute steal.
Great review! I think there's going to be a lot of competition in the full frame raw space in the next twelve months. Personally I'm hoping that Blackmagic releases a full frame Pocket 6K or 8K that can do up to 60p full width raw, even if it's a cinemascope crop vertically. THAT would really shake up the industry in competition with the Mavo 8K, Canon R5 and other upcoming full frame cameras.
I am both amazed at this review and fearful that Gerald needs to catch his breath.
This is the perfect doc camera
Another amazing review! Thanks!
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU MAKING A HONEST VIDEO ON FX9 DRAWBACKS, WEAKNESS, WHERE IT LACKS. REASONS NOT TO BUY FX9. + THINGS TO ADD UP TO FX9 TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE "FILMMAKING" CAMERA, FOR EX... BEST RIG, MAT BOX, ND/PL, EXT REC, BEST V-MOUNT, MICS, EXT MONITOR, ETC.