Scotland street; Astonishing Glasgow Ep37
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2022
- We have made it to episode 37 in Astonishing Glasgow.
Today I take you on a tour down Scotland street and tell the astonishing stories of a run down and derelict set of buildings, an architectural gem and a night of tragedy.
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Thanks again for watching and see you next time in Astonishing Glasgow;
Dave.
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Thanks for the video. Those incompetent/corrupt arseholes in local government have destroyed so much of this city reducing many areas to wastelands in order to accommodate to the corporate sector. Ironic that we have a private outfit ready to preserve the facade of the remaining old buildings in this area. There should be a preservation order on those buildings.
Aye…They’re ruining everywhere…all of Britain.
I went to Scotland Street school from 1946_1953 after I was born across the street from Howdens.The subway was moved across the street to where It is now.
I remember that bus crash, great shame.
Ever thought of looking at the history of Hillington Industrial estate? The whole place was Rolls Royce back in 1935 and all it made was Merlin engines for Spitfires etc.
Sadly all gone and forgotten now.
Considering that it is now the most complete and elaborate MacIntosh building in Glasgow, I've always felt that Scotland Street School has been the sort of forgotten CRM building. Maybe due to its location or the fact that it is promoted as a museum of education. Hopefully when the refurbishment is complete there will be a more dynamic marketing plan in place to promote it as the CRM masterpiece that it is 😉
back in the 80s our school took us to scotland street school, and we did a day dressed as kids from back in the day. we had to use a slate with chalk just like they used to. it was an eye opener. thank you for bringing the memory back.
Im not sure if it was open as a museum when I was at school (oh-god I feel old now!) but I did visit about 20 years ago and I will go back once it re-opens.
I often took my kids to they loved it and would ask to go back often the people who play the teachers are very good and stay in character until the show is over I was given a row more than once great fun
Me too but in the 70’s. It was a great experience.
I went three times as a kid with my primary school in the 2010s
Wow, yeah I remember my school taking us down as well. Everyone enjoyed that trip.
Really enjoying these videos. Thank you.
Great shot of the spider in the lock!
Interesting: As a child lived in a tenement on Scotland st. during ww2. Howdens had set up below ground 3 or 4 tier bunks and that's where we headed during air raids. Only if it wasn't raining. 🙂
Brilliant bit of history. Thanks for sharing.
We went to the air raid shelters in Pollock Street and used to play in them after the war.And they were dark and stinking
I worked here in 1989 making fan casings/fans for howdens.later i worked at Renfrew where another TBM was made for Denmarks Storebealt project..floated out of KG V docks at Govan!
I used to walk round old Glasgow areas with my dad when i was a boy. Now retired this takes me back to those happy days. We should all be proud of our wonderful city
Do you find today to have any similarities to how it used to be? Or is it more busy/noisy/dreary etc now? I’ve always wondered how somebody who has lived in another generation from me finds the current day compared to what it used to be.
@@rd3262 Modern technology ie computers etc have made a huge change to all walks of life. As kids we played on streets much more. Food was more basic and holidays was Saltcoats not Spain. But basic Glaswegian warmth and sense of humour same.
As you said, and I agree, they will at least preserve the facades of the buildings, but it's a pity they couldn't disguise the monstrosity across the road!
Try and find pics of ANY Rennie Mackintosh building under construction. Hmmm!
Loved This Ty
It might be worth mentioning Howdens were the company that first developed the the wind turbine the ones we see all over the countryside but built abroad
I used to work for a transport company based in Kilbirnie Street, and we did a lot of work for Howdens. We continued to do so after they moved to Barfillan Drive in Craigton. One end of the factory was Howden Buffalo, while the other was Howden Compressors.
The low bridge between Kilbirnie Street and West Street had numerous strikes, and it should have been closed to high sided vehicles long before the terrible accident involving the double deck bus.
Londoner who loves architecture and history now living in bonny Scotland these past 10 years. I visited the school 4 or
5 years ago to see an exhibition. It truly is a beautiful building. Thank you for making these wonderful wee vids. Will binge watch. 🙏👌😊
I love how you're an adopted Scot being that you live here now and the words that you use "Wee" has become a part of your vocabulary.
@@WeegieBhoy1888 Aye! 😊
I saw a fruit lorry stuck hard under the railway bridge one day and the subway was West Street.
Amazing video.
In 1983/84 (A and B plated cars at the time,) I moved from Edinburgh to pollockshaws road beside the bay horse pub, I worked at Midas exhausts, now the storage vault building at the 2:34 mark, the position that the camera is sitting at was the massive Kingston car wash there was no road there and the big car parks were waste ground, with empty milk bottles and and empty Belair hairspray cans everywhere, and eldorado wine bottles, a delicacy for homeless alcoholics.
I used to travel home to my mum's in edinburgh every weekend and got off at the subway bridge Street (I think) every Monday morning from Queen Street station.
Thanks for the memories.
Believe it or not, I remember going through the Kingston car wash in my mates Dad's Cavalier. He took us as a treat for helping to sweep up leaves in the garden. Im glad you enjoyed the video.
Ah did my apprenticeship here.Was a horrible dump.Ah remember going downstairs watchin the underground trains go by.We used to run along the track to the station platform and jump on train.
I love your storytelling/filming...I even love hearing you turning the script pages as you go....thank you
I should stop writing my script on crinkly paper :-D. Glad it doesn't put you off the videos.
Thank you for the history.
Scotland street was at one point the longest single stretch of tenements in the city .
And at the same time, let's take minute to appretiate that awesome VW restoration at 8.42
Awesome video. I stayed near Queen's Park for a while when I first moved to Glasgow and explored that whole area before West End or City Centre, it had something so fascinating. That part of Glasgow has a very strong atmospheare. It's like you just do not know where industrial ends and residential begins. Somehow derelict and full of life at the same time.
Thanks and I am glad you enjoyed the video. The thing that always surprises me about this area is its practically the city centre. Its so close to the main retail part of the town yet so under developed. If you like this area you might like the video I made about Port Eglinton if you didnt see it already? czcams.com/video/Aiux1JInTb0/video.html
James Howden’s were a customer of mine - I sold them computer systems for engineering design work including the tunnel boring machines. Lots of great memories of being in the works on many occasions over an 8 year period. Had no idea about the tragedy though - very very sad.
Videos are class mate👍🏼👍🏼
In the 50s and 60s I grew up here and remember it well. It is quite a comment on Glasgow that the area was full of spare ground and derelict buildings. 60 plus year later it hasn’t changed, it’s just different buildings. We might have been poor but they were still happy days for children who found adventure in almost everything.
I worked in kilbirnie st at the time of the accident thanks for reminding everyone of this tragedy,vehicles were constantly getting stuck under the bridge and had to deflate their tyres to get free and of course scotrail got lots of money from the insurers for REPAIRS .
I remember the night it happened and it always crosses my mind when I am down that way. Very sad night, thats why I wasnt sure I should bring it up but I think it should be remembered.
I was raised in the tenement (334 Scotland St.) that stood where the Park and Ride car park for Shields Rd. Underground now stands, between the years 1949 to 1970/71. I attended Scotland Street School and we moved to Pollokshields only when the tenements were demolished to make way for the Kingston Bridge and M8. I saw a few of the Howdens building being built over the years. Interesting video, as I was unaware of the connection between the older Howdens buildings and the cable underground system. I belive the father of Donald (and grandfather of Kiefer) Sutherland was a pupil at Scotland Street before the family emigrated to Canada.
I learned some new things about my home town today. Thank you :)
Interesting about the Shields road station car park, the far end is nearer West Street station. I've also learned the bores for the channel tunnel were built in Glasgow, i think one of them is sitting outside in France and the another at Folkestone. I've travelled quite a few times through the tunnel.
Another astonishing film and very informative thanks again.
Thanks Philip. There were 11 TBM's in total so I couldnt state for fact where the one in Calais was built. There are conflicting reports that one of the machines was driven into the sea bed when it had finished digging but again there seems to be conflicting information about that.
Excellent. Council too quick to demolish. eg Springburn Town Hall.
There's the Chandlers that were (are?) at the West Street end. And that slightly dodgy looking auto shop place across. What about them my man? Only teasing lol. Thanks for your informative video. I didn't know about the underground cable driving shop. What a clever city we have always been. Please keep reminding us. Cheers.
Duncans the yacht chandlers is still there, serving the needs of Glasgow's boating community :-D I have used it in the past when I still had my camper van. I hope to have many more episodes in the new year when time and weather allows so stay tuned.
Wasn’t expecting to shed a tear at the end of the video 😢
Excellent Vid , keep up the good work !
Hi, new subscriber here. Really enjoyed this video. 👍❤️
My father went to Scotland Street school in the '30s. He used to tell us that Scotland Street was the longest street in the world!
He also had a season ticket for the Empire Exhibition at Bellahouston Park. Have you covered that yet?
I believe Duke street is the longest street in the world but as yet I dont know if its claim is down to physical length or because of the prison. It was said if you walked down Duke street it could take years to get back as a euphemism for going to jail.
I have touched briefly on the empire exhibition in my Garden festival video. Same problem with both subjects however is lack of photos from the period.
@@AstonishingGlasgow I think the point about Scotland Street was that it was continuous. That is, without any street or road junctions.
Dear sir I really enjoyed that video, and think it was only fitting that you mentioned the tragic bus crash. I also remember that terrible day. I have just subscribed
Regards
Raymond
Stay safe
Gosh I live nearby and didn't know about howdens. Fascinating thanks x
Such an interesting and detailed video, I have been to the Scotland Street School on three occasions, what a superb building and you really feel the atmosphere as soon as you enter. I was not aware it had been closed for renovation and hopefully visit again when it re-opens. I am not from the Glasgow area but I do hope that those old building next to the school find a new lease of life. Anyway thank you so much for posting this video.
Really interesting and well presented, got myself a new series to binge!
Looks like The Torpedo Factory in Alexandria, The Vale of Leven nearby Loch Lomond…my Grand Papa & Uncle built them my Uncle lost two fingers…then he had to move to London for work when the Torpedo Factory closed…he did really well…with his own Window Business and his Wife inherited Care Homes.
My Grand Papa had gone onto M.O.D. to install maintain & inspect said Torpedoes on the Submarines at Coolport Naval Base. He never wanted to do that he was really a Gardener a Crop Grower and Crop Provider I’m very Grateful to all the people who defended us. Thankyou great piece of History.
A very good video. I've always wondered what that group of red-brick buildings was used for.
Next door to the football centre used to be the Co-op undertakers the embalming tables were still there in the 90s
0:05 That’s our *DUNNY!!* We had a pool table and Gym upstairs on the Left in the 90’s with a Punchbag for Kickboxing Training!!! EXCELLENT DAYS!! (If you Ever saw a Black Toyota Supra 480Bhp Twin Turbo Monster - Batmobile outside, it was me!!) Big shout out to All the Boys!! 👍✊💪🏼
Brilliant job. I really hope that the redevelopment of Howdens goes ahead and there are no mysterious fires to stop its return to glory.
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Just watched and enjoyed your video use this part of glasgow a lot and now a know a thing or two about it great knowledge you shared
Used to live on Shields road , and went to Scotland street School, 60s
brilliant just found your channel!!! subscribed.
Thanks always enjoy your content👍
Thank you so much John.
Great Stuff!!
Thanks for this, I drive this road every day going to work, and always wondered about the fancy buildings being left to fall into dereliction. Hopefully the plans to save them go ahead before it's too late
Incredible video mate
Nearby cook street was another location that buses frequently hit. The first bridge being 15” high, the buses were 14’6” so passed under it, but the second bridge was around 12” and the buses would lose their roof. The street now has a man made width restriction making it very narrow to stop large vehicles from attempting to go down that street. 🚌
There was a strike there recently when a recovery flatbed tried to go under the bridge with a luton van on the back.
@@AstonishingGlasgow oh dear.. I hadn’t heard that one.. I knew about the 2009 strike of the first bus, it was empty at the time luckily, the driver had accidentally knocked the left mirror off when he bumped against a bus shelter, so the bus was put out of service and he made his way back to larkfield depot… but ended up going down cook street.. 🤦♂️..
Driven along there a few times on my way to the footy at Ibrox and loved the old buildings without knowing anything of their history. Thanks for your great insight and short to the point delivery- always interesting
awesome video. When we were on holiday, we parked the car and got the underground into the city. The kids loved it as we do not have the underground in New Zealand. We also went to the school, and I think the grandparents enjoyed it more :)
love the video ,loads of buses and lorries hit that bridge over the years and if a train was going by you could hear it hitting the top of your truck
Its so low that bridge that I felt like ducking down to get under it when I was on my bike. Its probably for the best they made it a dead end.
I used to run out of Howden fans with I.T.D. Deliveries all over the UK from 1988 to 1991? When it moved to Barfillan drive Craigton.
Thanks, love the videos.
I drive the route past the chandlers every night after work to get onto the Kingston bride, I had no idea of all of this I will look at the place differently now, thanks new subscriber…how do u know all this ❤
Great stuff as always
My wee late maw n her siblings used to go to Scotland st school they used to talk about the playground on the roof
Total banger, as always!
Thanks for a great video that brought back many memories. My first use of the underground was from Cessnock to Shields Road for my Interview at Howdens. I then subsequently went on to start my apprenticeship with Howdens in 1976. Many memories of the engineering works, the training school and attending Cardonald College on block release and not forgetting using the works canteen. Thanks for bringing us videos like this. Liked and subscribed.
Was I close with what the buildings were used for while it was Howdens?
@@AstonishingGlasgow Yeah I would say you done it justice 🙂
You're far too nice about what has happened in Scotland St. For thirty years Howdens old works has been gently deteriorating into the disgraceful eyesore it now is. For thirty years a prime site of over five acres in the heart of the southside of the city has changed hands time and time again from one developer to another while every plan they put forward to the council for redevelopment has been rejected. For thirty years the Scotland Street School Museum has been surrounded on three sides by derelict or demolished buildings. And why?... the dead hand of Glasgow City Council listed not just the facade of Howdens old works, but some of the original interiors as well. Apparently the cast iron pillars holding up the roof were deemed to be worthy of preservation. Oh aye? The suspicion has always been that the council wanted to ensure that when Howdens moved out they (Howden's) wouldn't make a profit from selling the site by putting planning restrictions on it that would make any such sale unprofitable. If this was their intention, then the council has been entirely successful. Thus the thirty years of derelict wasteland. Why? Because Howdens moved out, not to Craigton (inside the city limits and they were there already, now also gone anyway), but to Renfrew (Braehead, outside the city limits) and the listing was made by the council out of sheer spite at losing the works. I hope the city fathers are proud of themselves.
I used to walk past this site daily to work there were plans to redevelop the site to housing but the 2008 crash scuppered it
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Thank you VERY VERY much.
It would be nice if you could do an article or video about Scotland Street in the 60's and 70's as from memory it was a beehive of industry back then with many renowned companies located there.
If you want a challenge to make a video on something that was a great service that helped me and many young people affected by homelessness. Stop-over was right next to Laurieston job centre and connected to the printing services for social work services at 200 pollockshaws road. It housed 14 young service users and promoted independent living skills, supported with benefits and applying for main stream accommodation when you showed that you are ready to go out in to the responsible adult world. It changed my life and the keyworkers really helped me become so much more of an adult.. I can't find any pictures of the building online or any testoments to the service that helped so many people in Glasgow.
200 pollockshaws road was it's address
I think I know where that was. Was there a timber merchants beside it?
I went for an interview in howdens back in the 70s , I thought it was going well till the interviewer discovered that I had the letters 'ST'In front of the name of the school I went to and then his attitude changed completely 😡
Hopefully things are better now but there are still those that seem determined to cling onto these outdated prejudices.
@@AstonishingGlasgow The Orange Walk used to march along Scotland Street every summer.
I was never really a fan..
11:58 spider really didn’t want to be on camera 🎥
That's fascinating about Howdens and the drive for the underground, never knew about that! Presumably there must have been a connection between the buildings and the underground itself - can you mind if there was anything to be seen when you were there?
I didn't have access to the buildings and in 1940 they were pretty much stripped bare of all subway equipment before they were sold. From what I was reading there was a small tunnel for the cable to diverge from the subway route. As drivers left Shields Road or West Street they had to release the cable then freewheel to let the cable turn to the winch then grab the cable again when it reentered the tunnel.
@@AstonishingGlasgow Thanks for the info, sorry I missed it earlier. That sounds very intriguing - if I was still there I might have a week poke around sometime 😂
I worked in Howdens between 1969 and 1979 and can confirm that there was a tunnel running 90 Deg to the main subway tunnel. It was one level down and used as a store. You could hear the trains pass and it had the distinctive subway smell. I image it is still there.
It's 23 and still empty!!
Just came across this video that I found very interesting, particularly the TBM for the tunnel that being down south I have used a number of times. I've seen the TBM cutter head at Folkestone. We have a joinery supply company of the same name that have a number of branches in this part of the country. Any connection to the engineering company by any chance. Thanks for the information, I will now look at more of your videos.
Had 2 school trips to visit Scotland St school early 80s. I hated it, the teachers wouldn't let me use my left hand to write and as a kid I didn't get it was an act. 2nd time the teachers had mellowed and picked on our teachers more and it was more fun but still very strict. The other places we visited often were Calder Park Zoo and the old transport museum.
I went on similar trips at school in the 80's but the best school trip was the day at the bear park. Remember that?
@@AstonishingGlasgow No, never heard of that.
I dont remember the full story but I think it only lasted a couple of years. It was near Loch Lomond and had enclosures of wild bears. Admittedly my biggest memories are not the bears it was dropping my dairylee triangle on the bus and playing on a helicopter in the picnic area.😁
I used to work just round the corner and always wondered what this building was.
Do you happen to know what the patch of disused land and the derelict building beside Stanley street (1 mins away) was for?
The patch I know of on Stanley street used to be the Gray and Dunn biscuit factory. It was only demolished in the last 4 of 5 years as far as I can remember.
@@AstonishingGlasgow If you banged on a certain door of the Grey Dunns factory, the women working inside would open it up and hand out paper bags of broken biscuits.
I was born in Seaward St, and went to school at Scotland Street primary school.
tut! tut! Ketchup... 😂
I say ketchup but it was made by Gold star so more of a red vinegar dribble.
BTW, do you know that Google Earth has a history timeline? You can scroll back through old Google pictures and any aerial photos dating back years, there stuff there from the 1940's. Think it only works on a PC.
I was looking for that when I was making the video but couldnt find it. Closest I could get was the map view from the National library of Scotland page.
@@AstonishingGlasgow there is a history button to click and a bar opens that you can drag right/left to change to available aerial photos.
Perhaps a little more research would of told you about the Kilburn basin or the original paisley canal that ran along the back . Or indeed the stones throw to Scottish f
Co-op's head quarters at Morrison street and the dairy too . Tradeston certainly deserved its name 100 years ago .
I cover the canal in my Port Eglinton video, czcams.com/video/Aiux1JInTb0/video.html
Now you've got me wondering, if Google Maps directions, would warn of low bridge clearances?
I think you can buy a truck specific sat nav but I dont know if Google maps has any function beyond car, bike, walking and public transport.
@@AstonishingGlasgow I managed the bus garage for a small non-profit, after I retired from Corporate America. We briefly employed one driver who struggled to remember the height of the bus he was driving. Thankfully no injuries, except to the bus once.
That Driver had 2 Fatal incident’s under his belt… 1 down Cheltenham
I went to Scotland Street school. It was designed and built by Charles Rennie Mackintosh. Back in the day. It’s a museum now. Look you lot. I’m not that old. Ok. Shut up…🤣🤷🏻♂️🏴
My first school was Scotland Street primary. We lived in Ardgowan Street which was parallel to Scotland Street one block north. Around where the Tradeston slip Road off the M8 is on the eastbound side now. When the M8 came we moved up to Pollokshields. My Uncle John who lived round the corner in Shields Road worked in Howdens as a draughtsman for all his life. I remember the train lines in Shields Road packed with long lines of coal carts and various non-passenger cars, all waiting to be loaded onto a ship to a faraway place. Streets were for kids playing in, not for cars to drive in😊 My Dad going for a bath at the Public Baths, we only had a toilet in the house. Lots of fond memories of my early childhood. Thanks for telling this story. And quite right to remember those who lost their lives in the bus crash. Terribly sad🥲
I thought he meant Howdens the kitchen place hahaha...
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Was born 162 Scotland street 1962
Interesting, but hard to watch with road traffic noise in the background the entire way through.
The bus driver, Campbell Devlin, was cleared of dangerous driving, convicted of careless driving and fined just £750. That's all he was punished for driving his double decker bus into an obviously low bridge and killing 5 people. Unbelievably, just 18 days before the West Street crash, Devlin had killed a car driver in another accident. He was 30 at the time so he'll be approaching 60 now. I wonder if he still drives for a living.
the clockwork orange?
This is the local nickname for the Glasgow subway. The trains are orange and run in a circle so the Clockwork orange was a name that stuck.
@@AstonishingGlasgow sorry I didnae know
Dont apologise, every days a school day and Glaswegians have a habit of coming up with nick names for things (squinty bridge, squiggly bridge, Armadillo and Hielanmans umbrella etc) so it can get confusing.
@@AstonishingGlasgowin the 70s my Glaswegian granny called spring onions ' sibees' unsure of the spelling though
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The M8 is a horrible road and the M74 extension is not much better. Motorways do not belong in the middle of cities, in fact we should be seeking to minimize car use within cities, not enticing everyone and their dog to bring their big ugly, smelly, dangerous metal boxes with them when visiting or even just passing through. Would've been better maintaining the tram system or extending the subway. Be nice if they demolished the M8 and put something that is less of an eye/ear-sore!
You have to remember that the M8 was a great solution for the city when it was built. The city centre was gridlocked in the 60's and by building the M8 the majority of traffic could pass through Glasgow without getting stuck in the city centre. If it wasnt for the M8, Sauchiehall street, Buchanan street and Argyle street would never have become pedestrianised. Easy to look back with hindsight and say something was a mistake but it was the best solution at the time.
Glasgow was never built for the amount of traffic it has (and continues) to handle. As a driver; cyclist and pedestrian I sometimes see the downside to the Grid system Glasgow city centre operates. Roads gridlocked; one way systems, poor traffic light phasing...
City by passes were the new reckoning back in the late 50s, coming to fruition in the sixties. Glasgow, however, decimated and destroyed to carve a motorway thru the city centre, not by pass it. Carchitecture was the buzz word apparently.
Lessons have been learned; plans may come to fruition regards creating a walkway over the M8 at Charing Cross at the Mitchell Library. It beggars belief though, that the oldest part of Glasgow, the Mediaeval town that boasts the Cathedral and the High St still serves as an on/ off motorway ramp. Can't see the historic city of York imposing such carnage to it's historic streets.
I'm unsure if I'd be happy residing in amongst the Scotland St/ West St traffic chaos. Imagine children attempting to navigate that.
I note the (non) subway extension being mentioned earlier. Perhaps this could be a future episode on your fascinating channel? Given the amount of folk employed at Beardmore/ The Forge pre and post both wars, I always wondered if there was any original plans to take the track out east? Granted there was the Parkhead railway station, long defunct, but the subway has been a moot point for at least 30 years now. Can it be extended? Apparently. Will it be? Probably not.
I think it's main income is ferrying passengers twixt the city centre and the west end, with the soccer traffic peppered on match days. Otherwise I can count on one hand folk who embark/ alight at West St, Cessnock Kinning Park.
Nice finishing touch remembering the bus tragedy.
Well done Sir!
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A wee bit boring in sorry but I'm Scottish put a bit of excited voice
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Thank you hugely, really appreciated.👍