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GIVE US PLAYERS TIER LIST
Mikyx over Keria AINTNOWAY
this year will be Mikyx over Lehends xdd
Mikyx over Keria aintnowat
Tbf to caedrel keria was the worst player in the lck for a month straight before worlds
@@spurscoys7385 bro could be the worst player in lck for 2 years and I would still rank him over Mikyx.
LPL MSI Venue Buff
GenG International Debuff
T1 International Buff
G2 Master Chef
NA Curse
G2 Master Chef got me good
BLG and Gen G should be the same tier. Then T1 and TES. Why is G2 same tier as TES?
@@ndnd7614he literally explains it in the video dude. Did you just skip to the end and make a comment?
@@ndnd7614 cos TES is shaky AF cos of tian Jackeylove and Gen g is shit internationally
@@basis7089And G2 isn't shaky or what? I think it's unfair that this gets held against TES while G2 seems to get off easy after a very meh last year.
As a south american, I have watched Estral all year so I can give a bit of insight (not that it matters much). The best example I can give is game 3 of finals. They stomped 3 teamfights in a row and couldn't get anything after them because they have no idea what a wave or objective is. They are good at fighting, but they fight at random for no reason and with no logic. If the entire series vs T1 goes above 16:47, I will take it as a w
We needed Mad to qualify so Estral couldve 16.47'd them and sent Mad back home again XD
The standard being 16:47 is just hilarious
Sounds like my silver games
@@Riceisgood777 no, I said they are good at fighting xdd
@@Pyrrha_Nikos You got a point I cant argue with that xdd
Liquid not S+ is insane. APA clears Knight, Chovy and Faker.
G2 will destroy NA minor region
Very based and factual assessment. YAPA runs MSI.
@@cdcidsid9228 G2 NRG incident
@@waynequach1898 Only tournament NA hasn’t looked trash in entire region history- so NA fans talk about it every chance
Imagine having world champions jungler and still lost to vcs lmao
26:35 Little mistake, Bin wasn't in Worlds 2022. He was swapped with Breath and joined BLG after winning MSI 2022.
So hes just a fraud
Little mistake, Breath wasnt in worlds 2022. He was swapped with Breathe and joined BLG after winning MSI 2022.
@@xmorose the way breathe played he was deffo out of breath
I was referring to Bin Semis in 2023 - apologies
@@Zhangjiajie425 Bin a Fraud ? Have you seen the MSI 2022 and 2023 ?
I agree about TES. When Tian isn't in god mode they have 0 teamplay, just walking around with 369 trying to carry
Tian in the big game after 2019 is always really shaky. Totally agreed
Ya but you can’t put any lpl and lec on teams on the same tier list currently because of the skill gap in the regions. You can literally get a bunch of lpl and lck academy players and they will probably run the lec… like I’m not even joking too that’s the current skill gap of the region. Lec haven’t taken a series off of the lpl in like 3 years already
@@stevenchen9852 nice 60 iq take
@@FrogWalrus you don’t think lec is on that level. Ok go watch the World Cup for lol later on. That tournament is literally lec, lcs, and lck academy going against each other their no lck and lpl main teams. And Watch the lec and lcs get blasted. Also when has lec and lcs won after their 2019 run again. Name me one series they won lol these trash ass regions they’re in here just to get 3-0…. They took one game off of BLG because they threw and elk threw for fun since they was laughing playing against G2 if you go watch the comms of BLG they were laughing at how trash G2 was. You can go watch it on bilibili. Not joke they were literally laughing and talking about other things while going against them
tian becomes peak 2019 tian when plpaying against like ultra prime or edg
It's so funny how T1 used to be this insane early-mid aggro and control team, and they slowly just became this late game teamfight comeback team
If you think about it, they have been going back and forth of those two "styles" in 2019 and early 2020, they were the late game come back team, then in 2021 they switched to this early game snowball style, and now back to the sus early to mid game and insane late game
Well idk if kkoma's return have anything to do with it
They became Summer 2023 JDG in a way lmao
@@offthegrid777 This^^. I think the change definitely reflects Kkoma's coaching style and champion prioritisation. It hurts Zeus a lot as a player though, as he really shines with a winning top lane match-up, or early power pick. The shift in top meta has played a part, too.
@@offthegrid777 they've been the late game comeback team ever since last year. What's Kkoma got to do with it? Did you not watch worlds last year?
I can see it already, G2's going to pull out the piss poor lane swap strat after Eastern teams had around a month-two months to prepare. BrokenBlade goes 0/7 in the first 10 minutes and they just lose because Hans somehow dies up top.
Yes. Lets judge their entire multi year roster and team growth because they used a singular strat 4 times against weaker opponents lol. G2 is always a wild card; and its kind of impossible to judge their relative strength to other teams in other regions *because* they are so non standard. Also, lane swaps happened in lck and lpl, why is everyone forgetting that 😂.
They pick sion TO die and get their jungler ahead. Knee capping the enemy jungler and top laner for the trade of getting your top laner in an ok spot? Eh... its a viable strat in niche circumstances.
I swear brokenblade starts feeding on the world stage every time
You don't watch LCK or LPL or? They literally lane swapped in the finals. First game LCK GenG vs T1 was basically won by the lane swap making Zeus TF useless. No one is preparing for EU teams.
Funneling your team's gold to Hans sama doesn't sound nearly as threatening as say, funnelling your team gold to Viper, and Viper doesn't even qualify to MSI💀
@@MrZedddddnot even viper. Any lpl and lck adc funnel strat looks more scary that Hans.. imagine giving guma, elk, and even jackylove the funnel strat
Don't worry about Zeus, he's preparing peak TheShy form just to remind Bin who's his daddy.
Bin the only top who went even with Zeus every time, joke aside doran has like 3 games where he outperform Zeus otherwise they went even or Zeus was better
Bin is 2-0 in best of 5s against zeus lol
@@micahm2844umm what lol
@@DanDan-vq7bc wdym what
@@micahm2844 despite score line msi 2022 Zeus was by far better than bin, if we count properly msi 2022 for Zeus 2023 for bin, Asian games for Zeus worlds 2023 equal
Idk if it's just me but I'm feeling a bit of deja vu lol like I'm pretty sure T1 will under perform this MSI then everyone will doubt them, after that they will get stronger at worlds
The thing about T1 is they are actually on the same level as BLG internationally but they get nerfed into the ground as soon as they face GenG.
Yeah this is funny isn't it? If for some reason GENG beat T1 on quarter and then meet an LPL team on semis then they are basicly fuck lol 😅
all comes down to whether international buff or vs t1 buff is stronger lmao
geng just knows how to handle t1 very well somehow, even tho t1 shit fucked them last msi lmfao
T1 is not near BLG now.. BLG will whipe them dead 3 1 3 0.
It’s like rock paper scissors. Rock is the LPL, Paper is T1 and Scissors is GenG
I absolutely love GenG, Chovy is the reason i started to get into league but we’ve seen how GenG is when it comes to their performance internationally and until they can upset that i refuse to believe they are the TOP team in an event
Bot side sucksqa
What kinda fan are you? KEKW it's all about BELIEVING! Have some faith or just don't
@@fangfeng6571 I would say the same thing for T1. I've been following faker since his debut. Came to love this iteration out of all his teams. And I can honestly say that they still have a mental block against geng. I was already happy that they didn't get 3-0 by geng. I was delighted they got them until 5 games and almost won. (would've been better if they did). I still put t1 to win against geng because I am their fan and I want them to win, But I'm not just blindly not realizing certain aspects as to why there are certain things that geng will beat t1.
@@NocturnyxeBasically it's a heart wants, brain says kind of thing. That's how I am in sports fandom in general, too.
I don't think it has much to do with 'choking' or 'internationals'..its just that T1 may well be the best teamfighting team in the world but T1 doesn't have a good early game by any means nor is their scaling really top notch, they sometimes gap stopped this by picking double ranged bots (even through Renata/Bard) throwing the book at LPL teams, creating picks or taking over team fights and winning out - this never worked vs GenG who would just not show up to fights, scale and work the sidelanes..
but LPL teams are really good at more standard early games and really good at team fights so they always got the better of GenG through the combination of those two things - they outfought objectives, won early games and otherwise still managed to match the scaling so it shut GenG down the entire way through
the questions for me are: can T1 improve their early game to fight mid-games on even footing? can BLG avoid those mid-game fights vs T1? can GenG finally find a way to edge out leads in either early or late game vs teams on their level whose win con isn't as readable as T1s?
Kiin is best K'Sante. His TF is also permabanned. His Urgot and Ryze pocket picks are why I love him.
This tier list was really informative thank you!
I feel like after covering the patch notes and seeing the finals we have a good understanding of what will probably be played as far as comps… but I’d love an analysis or just pure speculation on your part of what surprise picks we might see, pocket picks to watch out for, stuff like that? Also do you expect to see more lane swapping at MSI? IMO watching EU they have no chance pulling that crap vs LCK. They’re sloppy with it, junglers never knowing what to do…
13:44 but G2's idea of lane swap comes from nip from LPL. NIP used this trick against TES and resulted in failure.
Thing is that GenG might be able to dodge bot laning phase more through lane-swaps if the meta and strategy around it evolves? I feel like they might be the ones who gain the most from the new meta
They could do it but GenG's real problem is their team fights.
I think that in terms of macro they are the best, but in TFs there are teams that are simply better like BLG or T1.
@@castel7421 that’s very fair, I’m also realising that in such a “throwback” meta, the people who were actually there might simply be the best at it. (Meiko, Faker, Kkoma (as an expert) )
laneswaps have been a thing in lpl too btw
@@tehmastawowyeah but the question is - “which top teams have a weakness in bot lane during laning phase?”
@@gMrMrG yeah well u just went back in circles lol, geng has a weakness in bot lane during lane phase.
YAPA gonna beat everybody. Word is his coaches are teaching him Chinese and Korean insults so he can mental stomp every mid laner
12:34 Because Gragas is just straight broken. It's been like that for years. Good tank nature, insane damage and cc, he's like Kassadin if Kassadin had CC instead of mobility. That archetype of champ is just too good
Gragas and zac I always say these two champs are broken as fuck in every lane literally play zac adc or gragas adc and u win lol I don't get these two champs since I started playing league I always see these two champs are fucking disgustingly broken
I would love to see a Teemo ADC this MSI; please make it happen.
I kinda miss the T1 that went 35-1 both spring and summer regular seasons combined, when they played strong early games and really pushed the lead to suffocate their opponent.
However, their gameplay now is more enjoyable, cuz you know T1 is never out of the game despite gold deficit.
Editor can run 100 ads in a 30 min video but cant add chat
S+ BLG, Gen G, T1
S Top Esports
A G2
B TL, FNC, FLY
C PSG
D GAM, ESTRAL
I dunno why Pedro put G2 on the same tier as Top esports while FNC is two tier below. And BLG, while the most balanced team of the realistic contenders (S and S+ teams), are not one tier above the top LCK team.
If anything it should be GEN G and BLG in the same tier and T1 TES one tier lower.
@@omarjafar846Ye I just think T1 was super close to win lck (and is still the worlds champ). I could also see some kind of a rock/paper/scissors situation where BLG>Gen G>T1>BLG.
@@melchiordelaunay2539 T1 and Geng have been pretty competitive internationally. T1 lost to them in worlds Swiss stage but beat them in MSI and when it comes to T1 BLG it was the opposite with BLG winning MSI and losing to T1 in MSI. Geng BLG seems like a kryptonite for geng because they lost to them 3-0 in MSI and lost to them in worlds. Both teams have upgraded since then so you never know but it should be fun bangers anyways.
I agree with this list but move TL to A. TL was really the best LCS team and Caedrel was being delusional with his ratings. If you check the matchups between G2 and TL, the gaps are not that high except for jungle and mid, with Umti being a lot better than Yike and Caps being much better than Apa.
Now, TL will easily clear FNC with how bad Oscar and Humanoid is. Humanoid can't even play Asol properly and Apa is objectively better than him with his Asol, Taliyah, and Ziggs pick. FLY might even destroy FNC if Bwipo and Jensen are in peak form.
@@omarjafar846 nah mate T1 and TES are not on the same tier Id say
10 - BLG
9.5- Gen G
9.2- T1
7.0- TES
yes thats how i"m gonna rate them
I love how people have this cope of G2 can beat TES just like last year people think C9 and G2 can beat BLG 😂
EUw Fans have the biggest delusion each year, it's like their thing. You can see it every year. "ThIs YeAr wIlL bE BeTteR"- proceeds to get stomped year after year again.
I don't know much about the LEC but I know for a fact that tian is a fraud and that man will conveniently lose when you least expect him to.
I dont know about C9 but BLG didnt come in too hot anyways. It wasnt about the others being crazy. Just nobody had high expectations for them. Nobody wouldve thought theyd stomp the Korean teams
They can, even if it's unlikely it's still possible
Got anything to say lil bro?
CBLOL needs to be included!
Why would your editor remove the part where you put Estral on S+? Weird.
T1 should have their own tier at international events becasue when worlds comes around they are S++
To solve your struggle with putting G2, you should put TES at S tier then G2 can go A tier. After all, TES went to 5 games with BLG in upper bracket final and BLG is S+.
Nice take Caedral. Can't wait for MSI~~~
In GAM I trust, my regionnnnn
#GAMTIME
I always was a fan of underdogs
IT'S GAMTIME BABY!
I want to see T1 vs BLG :)
Cydrel Tierlist:
LPL and LCK winning team S+
LCK/LPL Contenders/ Finalist (S)
LEC = LCS (A)
Player tier list next !!
NA has surpassed EU and it showed last year. Both FLY and TL beat G2 and man handle fnc. G2 should be C tier.
why are you talking about last year ? your comment is pointless
NA surpassed EU by fielding a team of EU players. Ye i dont think so buddy
Your seed 1 at world litteraly said than g2 litteraly destroyed them every single scrims, they just giga under performed on stage, it happens.
@@minatoni5040 ty
Lets go T1 it's international
Theoretically, double elimination bracket always ensures #1 and #2 teams play against each other in a grand finale. We saw that in MSI 2023 or every single TI event in Dota 2. Just face it that it's going to be Gen.G vs BLG grand final.
what are you on about arguing with who?
Let me translate what @@user-jx7jd7bl4k said:
T1 will probably face BLG and they will be out.
Plot twist -> T1 has one owner and it’s not BLG
@@user-jx7jd7bl4k bro chill, he is just cheering his favorite team.
@@user-jx7jd7bl4k it's gonna be either GenG vs BLG or GenG vs T1 in the finals. But I would assume we'll get GenG vs BLG at least in the Winner's bracket.
whats that chill song playing at the background
I think maybe rat lord can make another tierlist based on the meta shifts, 14.8 looks pretty different on the top and bottom lane champions
PSG MBAPPE Carry this so PSG Win this MSI
As A T1 forever fan I agree with what you said about them, Zues is shaky and can do weird stuff in lane and the dman TF pick made me so angry, he needed to drop it, but I'm think it's because the DDOS attacks on them that he wasn't good in the mid season, being unable to play the game may have a huge impact on their performance, maybe I'm coping but anyways, Great tier list video!!
Like t1 play around macro, they just looking for global presure to get turret, sneaky baron etc, this is not a team fight comp so if its happening then its worse for t1
If you are a T1 fan just STOP talking about the DDOS, don't mention it all the time, it actually looks so bad
T1 fans cannot accept their player isn’t good at any point. Always some excuse, blue side last MSI, injury, sickness, DDOS attack. T1 fans are the GOAT of making excuses. Zeus has sucked 70% of 2024 so far- should join the Olympics the way he sprints it. G2 will expose him
@@cdcidsid9228 it's fine, a bit of both tbf. Ddos taking away scrim and practice was a huge problem but T1 recovered by the end so whatever, let them cope
G2 cant even beat NRG
i hope we have some great games of league and may the best team win
12:25 for the life of me, caedrel is looking at a different game sample size than the wr all the time.
Love the way you give such detailed analysis on the teams and how they play
Hope you stay happy and motivated in creating more content for us to enjoy! I’ve heard you’ve been rather down lately because of some negative feedback but don’t let that stop you from being you
Your videos brought me and many others into the league competitive scene, and your personality is such a joy to watch, much love and stay strong 💪🫶
CBLOL will be in tier S+ ?
I just wanted to say: where is LOUD!
@@jakobmoiirers_jmoiiLoud probably D
Good list. Like the thought process on where you place teams. BLG's bot strength will be a big driving point with a weaker bot lane pool for teams. Only two teams they actually have to watchout there.
GenG will have more difficulty out muscling teams on the solo side, but they do actually have real gameplans setup to aiding them. Team Liquid is similar in how they help these weaker points which bumps them up. FNC are terrible at it. G2 won't excel in lanes as easily in LEC. Smart team, but so much depends on this aspect. Mikyx and Caps did so much at worlds. Mikyx looking worse as of late so he must be in form. TES are not the smartest team either, but they are strong fighters. G2 can't match that based on what they showed in LEC. Should be a tier below at least with the chance to go up.
Meanwhile, JosedeOdo (Estral jungle) with a 98% win rate in korea, his perception of reality completely altered. 👽
Caedrel, don't be bothered by all the stuff going on around you. I love everything you do, and I support you man! love from NA.
Wait what's happening around him
@@thegaminghydra592 nothing lol
@@thegaminghydra592 For real, im curious now lol
@@thegaminghydra592 Literally nothing at all
@@x-manfam705 Absolutely nothing.
S: GEN BLG T1
A: TES
B: G2
C: TL FLY FNC
D: PSG
E: EST GAM LLL
Put T1 down to A and perfect list imo
I just want to see GenG do well at internationals, they're way too good to choke, right?
I think people are underestimating TL. As long as nerves don't get the best of them, I think they will do better than most are expecting. Their teamfighting and map play have both been top-tier. I think they deserve to be as high as G2. I would move G2 down to same tier as TL and then I agree with the rest.
48 seconds ago is crazy
I agree so much with this T1 take. I was hoping the worlds win would be a breakthrough for the T1 players and I think it was for everyone except Zeus. I think the MVP performance of Zeus as worlds gave him a huge ego and he is getting punished for it now.
Cuz Keria isn't underperforming the whole entire split
I'm amused on how you link up being the Worlds MVP to "having an ego". He plays hyper-agresssive (to his benefit or detriment) since that's what suits him and his team, not because he thinks he's immortal. When he's mechanically skilled enough to absorb pressure from multiple ganks and still come out even or ahead of the opposition then he's owed respect. Better than tryharding then falling flat when it comes down to the wire. Besides, not his fault that bruisers are underpowered as hell currently.
He just needs to stop picking weird picks like that TF ffs. But even at his best Aatrox 1v5 form, BIN still gapped him so let's see if they meet BLG.
@@Alexinho-uj5cxwhole split Nah. Put there has been a handful of suspect games from Keria
@@Alexinho-uj5cx The whole split really
he meant to say "bias" not skepticism
If G2 plays to their level and TL plays to theirs, matchup between them should be absolute fire.
Keep it that way like last words when T1 was A tier but became S+++ during the tournament 🔥 and same will happen for this MSI 💪
T1 MSI champion 🏆. GLHF...
Unironically watching this video from a bullet train in Japan, this is the kiin hype train caedrel was talking about
At first I thought you were genuinely putting T1 and TOP in B tier, I was hella confused
How many times will we hype up G2 as a powerhouse only for them to look levels below actual powerhouse teams on both individual and teamplay capabilities.
some people like to cheer for the west and g2 is all we got...
@@madamada2936 cheering for a team is one thing, overhyping them in what is supposed to be game analysis is just pure hopium.
@@TheAverageTarnished i mean this is overhyping? caedrel said he puts them on a low a high b tier. how is that overhyping?
G2 did not invent lane swaps. It was NIP idea
Nip did not invent it either, it was invented in EU back in like 2016
@@KlaidasM also not true
@@KlaidasM You don't know your history. It was invented back in 2012 or 2013 by Azubu Frost. The team that had CloudTemplar.
@@abouttime2569 nha actually it was invented in Dota all star in 2003 and translated to league ( i love spreading misinformation on the internet )
@@theteamxxx3142 Dota lol you made me laugh
GenG, BLG, T1 / TES / G2 / TL, FNC, FQ / PSG Talon / LOUD, GAM, Est This is best
T1 could be s+ tier if they learned how to pick/ban the fact they get rolled by k Sante all the time and never have a good counter is crazy. If they banned out ksante in finals they had a good chance to win
I really don't take predictions or tierlists like this seriously even if it's fun because they're all based on past form, not current. After all ratking still isn't living down what happened last year.
GEN G winning MSI mark my words
yeah this is highly likely chovy is playing out of his mind and his jungler is canyon😂
I Believe
😂
Remind me
Maybe it's finally GENG's (current lineup) time. Like how the current T1's lineup failed for several years and finally got Worlds.
Gen G will Choke MSI mark my words
S- BLG, GEN
A- T1, TOP
B- G2, FNC
C- TL, FLY
D- GAM, PSG
FNC above TL is cope, lmfao. FNC have looked sus all split
Estral Excites Me. They really look clean, like clean and Jose doesnt die
They are not that bad, i feel like they can be the darkhorse in this msi
Tes doubter, don't worry, you'll learn.
this is like opening a can of league lingo and it's awesome
I like the TL respect, if their playoff form wasn't a fluke, they've created a gameplan that can very definitely upset better teams a few times, they'll make it really fun either way.
Vamos Estral!!!
I might be coping because I am a fan of T1 and Zeus is on my favourite players right now; but i feel like Zeus getting caught is something that is very overplayed and more so an accumulation of uncorrected overreactions. Like Caedrel saying that Zeus randomly gets solokilled in lane and is something that happens more often than it should, seems like recency bias, since it really only time frequently happened was in the Geng series. Another thing that one can observe is how it seems like all deaths in isolation are looked at as the same; where Zeus literally gets four/five manned and all one sees in Caedrel chat and from himself is CAUGHT. Of course Zeus has bad games/ serieses like the Game 5 against GenG Kiin, but the larger picture which should be more so the narrative is that throughout the season and playoffs Zeus probably was T1s best individual performer.
He does get caught alot, but the main problem of t1 os their botlane, t1 fan or not, keria was absolutely disgusting almost the whole playoffs, so for now it feels lile blg will just repeat 2023 msi and perma fist them bot
Agree with most of what you said, but I think Oner takes the best t1 performer for me. This guy has been unreal since worlds last year. Give him a champ he’s even vaguely comfortable on, and 9 times out of 10 he just gaps any jungler he plays against. I can’t get his rell flash over Ashe arrow ult engage from worlds out of my head, probably the single nastiest play in league since the faker zed 1v1 for me.
Keria played aweful and Guma was disgusting in TFa with Jynx and Zeri. Guma should stick to Varus/Senna/Ashe cause he is terrible at carrying games like other top tier team adcs do.
Zeus is the best player on t1 no question, when he leaves good luck getting a player with same impact beside kiin.
lmao you didn't just say that about Guma@@gusti14
Good take on T1 and GenG in the same Tier, as we can see in the Finals T1 is actually underperforming since DDos Attacks, and they got 3-0 by HLE, and I love how they comeback and make it to the finals not only that even thought they lose, they make it to Game 5 which is really crazy.
GenG players were also DDosed
Lets just stop talking about the DDos plz, only causing more hate to T1
@@pureshka not to the extend of T1, they can still play on their main solo queue accounts, T1 players had to play on secret Riot accounts approaching playoffs
God, T1 fans are insufferable...
@@KM-zd6dq it did happened though, you want to do what Riot Korea did and just as if it never happened?
Hot take: the finalist that was dropped to losers will have higher chances to win MSI than the one that sprinted through winners bracket. It happens all the time and will happen again: teams with more "stage practice" are usually the one that is ramping up the most, and you can only get more games if you drop to losers at some point. Time to observe + side select for game 1 is such a meme advantage for a team that is going to finals from upper bracket. But it is hard to give more anything other without making bo5 too advantageous to winners side. Maybe more games with more a side selection privilege?
Jdg won last year tho through winner bracket spring, msi, summer.
@@oreoyo5639 Gen g won summer last year and this year spring in winner bracket too
wake up zeus
I really think LCK level of play is just insane. T1 vs GenG was better than any of the last 5 world finals. And this LCK playoffs most competitive tournament I’ve ever seen.
LPL is just soloq LCK. Crazy hands less team play.
And EU and NA are the wildcards and let’s be real they’re very similar skill level if not NA above. NA has been insane this year and last year and EU has been getting worse every year since 2019.
Lol no but i do think lck finals was fun to watch.
I think I'd put GEN in S+ and have T1 the only team in S. Yes they often improve internationally but if we're devaluing TES despite taking games off BLG throughout the year, then we can't put T1 same tier as GEN rn. Outside of the finals GEN looked farther ahead of T1 than BLG looked compared to TES. Not to mention TES still came 2nd reg season against an obviously stacked league
I think Caedrel can use a term he said before to describe what Zeus is like "TheShy"
But if Zeus doesnt get stomped in Finals by Kiin T1 is just way better than Geng, they would have 3-1 or 3-0 Gen
What is this logic?? I can just counter and say "Yeah but if Peyz and Lehends destroyed bot lane then GENG would've 3-0'd"
Like why are we making up scenarios? You can make this argument for every single game of League. "If this didn't happen, then team A would've won"
I really hope GEN.G can win this MSI but peyz and sometimes lahends as well looks shaky.
T1 come back late game =good team
G2 come back = consistent flukes
Caedrel logic
Caedrel better hire a private chef to feed him back his own words after YAPA yaps his way to an MSI trophy
Zeus keeps getting caught... He even got caught liking instagram models on main 😌
What? It was a K-pop idol whose stream he was watching. Don’t make stuff up
He's been liking instagram reels of k-pop idols 💀 normal ass behaviour bruh don't miscontrue shit
Bro he is not gay let him enjoy it
BLG=not choking GENG>T1>TES>Choking GENG>G2>FNC>TL>FLY>PSG>GAM>LOUD>EST
...TES>EST>LOUD😂😂😂
I agree 101% with this Tier List...
I think If GENG chokes it’s gonna be T1 losing in a close game 5 to BLG unless they can upset with a good meta read.
I don’t understand the TES hate. They went 6-1 against JDG and played a 5 game series against BLG in upperbracket final. Their final might not have been amazing but it looks like that’s what he’s basing his take on. TES is a good team and they are not easily caught off guard by some lane swap by G2. TES is still such a strong team and caedrel thinking G2 is even remotely close seems sooo ridiculous to me
thats because JDG is fucking dogshit, and thats LPL's 3rd best team, like ruler kanavi is very far away from their 2023 form and flandre is so fucking trash, I can understand people saying TES should be weakest out of 4 eastern teams but yea they would demolish G2 for sure, unless tian shits the bed
when it comes to Europe caedrel is too unbiased. TES would stomp G2 in a bo5 and it wouldn't be close. It's always the same every year, G2 gets overhyped -> they are doing great in scrims and they do decent in some matches > they get hyper stomped when it really matters
it won't be any different this year, there are some players in G2 that can't keep up with the east level sadly
@@santiago4444more like, g2 will pull of close wins in bo1 against eastern teams -> EU gets hyped -> loses 0-3 against NA when it matters -> End of story
The final did not look close at all. TES looked to BLG like JDG looked to TES. TeS are just an historically inconsistent team in internationals. You can totally get why Caedrel thinks they could lose to G2 despite the player difference.
Man honestly I was a huge TES fan back in 2022 when they played those banger series's vs JDG and qualified to worlds, my issue with them is that as an organization they're the KT of the LPL. No matter how good they look you can't discount the fact that they are liable to choke vs teams like fucking 2022 gam and fail to qualify.
Talking about G2 beating TES botlane like they don't have jackeylove ICANT
regular G2 glazing
I can see G2 bot beating TES actually. Winning against TES would be hard though and against BLG the chances are they would lose. If G2 vs TES happens imo it will be a close one.
they dont need to beat them they just need to go even, pretty sure his case is that g2 teamplay and draft strategy is enough to beat TES
Hans sama is very similar to Jackeylove. Only flash offensively, aggressive laning phase, draven enjoyer... His peak is just much lower.
I love how people have this cope of G2 can beat TES just like last year people think C9 and G2 can beat BLG 😂
After all these years I've found that Actual result will be the opposite of this..... Thank you
Love your take caedrel
G2 wrath will be swift. All these peasants thinking we aren’t good. LMFAO.
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Why is a kid alone in the internet? Where is your father NRG?
NA owns you frauds
10:30 I love how when G2 makes a comeback, he says it should have been match point for FNC, but when T1 makes comebacks it just means they are the best comeback team in the world
U mustn’t have watched either games then, g2 came back from a massive fnc mistake which i think was just them being too overeager where T1 consistently forces other teams to make ideal plays or they will come back
@@angelaphiphu3091 yeah it was incredible how T1 mind controlled peyz to recall in the middle of the lane
Because t1 wins by outplaying and g2 wins by profiting off of mistakes and not getting punished (enough) for theirs. If you make mistake vs t1/geng you will lose.
because t1 fought hard for it, they made some really risky plays and stalled the game out enough for that chance. FNC just ran it down for g2
GTurd sucks
GenG will never ever be truly favoutites in an international tournament.
Could it be with the top 3 teams (BLG/Gen/T1) it could end up being where T1 has a better shot at beating BLG but still consistently loses to Gen.
GenG and T1 are the best Teams in the World at the Moment!
and BLG
blg stronger than Geng
BLG look like they’re above T1 atm
BLG look above T1 and below GenG. Which is bringing up flashbacks to last year. On paper GenG clears, in practice oh boy
@@scifimisc9191they dont "clear" on paper, why does everyone say that.
They are both insane, it really just depends on who's style is better, which we dont kmow yet unless they face eachother, lategame macro heavy team vs dive at lvl 3 no matter what
Let's go Bilibili !
where is TheShy?
@@naturesoundupretired bro
@@aliceherring-bv4xg no just rest
S :BLG
A: GEN, T1, TES
B: TL, G2
C: FLY, PSG
D: FNC, GAM, EST
Do you think the lck teams don"t have a chance?
@@natsudragnel3321 of course they have a chance. I would say BLG is the favorite to win and are like 60/40 against the LCK teams. Its very close in my opinion.
Caedrel i love the content might not agree with all ur takes and it's perfectly fine.
"Fnc and G2 was close" okay buddy don't overdo the copium there
tes and g2 in same tier is like placing g2 and kc in the same tier
What? Tes aint even good G2 can win from them
@@brandonverzijl6234 and TL can beat t1 yep
@@pasteveryfate probably yeah if they get a good early game
@@pasteveryfate look at 2022 msi g2 won agains T1 and RNG whilst that G2 was way worse then it is now
@@brandonverzijl6234 and
How many of all the teams on msi have skins in the game?
Everyone seems to think TL is just this solid rock, but don't forget they also just played one of the bloodiest series in history and have agreed to fight nonstop even on scaling champs
Waiting for Vedius to roast Caedrel for putting GenG in S tier. While I don't think they will choke super hard, they aren't making finals. Bot lane will get exposed, Kiin will be average and Chovy will TP into 5 and get caught. It is a story as long as time, GenG and international events don't work because they forget the type of team that was dominant in LCK and start trying to mold to the new meta last minute and get exposed. Can't wait to see it happen.