4K Limits: How MacBooks Really Handle Displays

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  • @AZisk
    @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci

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  • @jonathanhall6815
    @jonathanhall6815 Před 2 měsíci +200

    Remember 8 gig of ram on Mac is like 32gig ram on pc. At least on price. Sry couldn’t help it 😊

    • @youtubegoogle4163
      @youtubegoogle4163 Před 2 měsíci +11

      😂

    • @geoffstrickler
      @geoffstrickler Před 2 měsíci +9

      I’m a Mac fan, and I agree. Great comment.

    • @Watchandlearn91
      @Watchandlearn91 Před 2 měsíci +21

      Really has RAM gone up that much? Last I checked, I could get 64GB for the same price as Apple charges for 8GB :)

    • @geoffstrickler
      @geoffstrickler Před 2 měsíci +11

      @@Watchandlearn91 You’re correct, for the $200 Apple charges to go from 8GB to 16GB, you can buy 64GB at street prices, maybe even 96GB.

    • @SuperVillain-er1lz
      @SuperVillain-er1lz Před 2 měsíci +4

      And RAM is only as fast as the motherboard lets it. Here’s Apple silicon anecdote perspective and if price isn’t a problem then Apple silicone reaps more benefits. Apples 8Gb of RAM vs windows 32 GB of RAM is a comparison similar to: 3 groups of workers with different tasks all sharing and standing around an 8 foot by 8 foot table with an output shelf right behind them… so they have and need a smaller room and less energy. Compared to 3 groups of people with different tasks all sharing a 32 by 32 feet larger table, these when these groups are finished working, they have to walk 20 feet back to their shelves to finish an output. They need more energy and time to do certain things. That’s why I’d rather pay more for Apple.

  • @senisasAs
    @senisasAs Před 2 měsíci +87

    Nice!!! Yes please compare memory usage internals between Mac & Win ;)

  • @Dudelikescake
    @Dudelikescake Před 2 měsíci +27

    Engagement crew gogogo. I really appreciate the testing done here.

  • @nasirusanigaladima
    @nasirusanigaladima Před 2 měsíci +8

    Great tests, appreciate you taking your time to do this 😊❤

  • @garybarrett4881
    @garybarrett4881 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Group test of the top docking stations for 3 or 4 external monitors would be awesome

  • @geoffstrickler
    @geoffstrickler Před 2 měsíci +8

    The most surprising part of this is how little performance hit there is from all that extra video memory bandwidth being used.

  • @MatheusTavares-od6nw
    @MatheusTavares-od6nw Před 2 měsíci +24

    Mac vs Windows ram management tests would be awesome to see!!!!

    • @hanes2
      @hanes2 Před 2 měsíci

      Can’t compare used ram. Not how things work anymore.

    • @MatheusTavares-od6nw
      @MatheusTavares-od6nw Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@hanes2 not about used ram, but ram management... there's lots of tests in this regard that can be made!

    • @MatheusTavares-od6nw
      @MatheusTavares-od6nw Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@hanes2 like, how does an 8gb,16gb,24gb, etc compare to similar ram sized windows pcs, so we can have some sort of base comparison... heck, even Linux... I don't think there's any out there... not sure though

    • @Mooooov0815
      @Mooooov0815 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MatheusTavares-od6nwLinux will likely beat you on Mac on RAM management. When working (12-20 Tabs in FF, few vim instances, occasional Go compiles + Spotify + Docker) my systems ram consumption is about 8GB with three 4K monitors connected

    • @churblefurbles
      @churblefurbles Před 2 měsíci +2

      and swap file use, since the ssd can't be changed.

  • @softwareengineeringwithkoushik
    @softwareengineeringwithkoushik Před 2 měsíci +1

    Near to 200k… Hope you will get by end of this month brother…

  • @driven01
    @driven01 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This was a very fun video and quite informative. Thank you for sharing.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @MrSamPhoenix
    @MrSamPhoenix Před 2 měsíci +2

    Wonderful video! I’d love to see the differences between macOS and Windows when it comes to RAM management.

  • @terencecoustillas9675
    @terencecoustillas9675 Před 2 měsíci +5

    What about a 16Gb-512 Mb M1 macbook air? I do have one that I've been running for 3 years with a 22" full HD native (through a non-branded hub) and a vertical 17" Aliexpress monitor connected with a Display link interface. A jowel, works super fast and smooth. I'm so happy to have been informed that it's possible to use Displaylink monitors when they were saying (still now with M3 non pro macbook pro) that only one external monitor is possible loool

  • @Iam-ni2fk
    @Iam-ni2fk Před 2 měsíci +2

    Although in most cases such a number of monitors is not necessary, but it turned out great, good job.

  • @DilpreetSingh0
    @DilpreetSingh0 Před 2 měsíci

    I was waiting for that too long(since you post that photo)❤

  • @msaintmac
    @msaintmac Před 2 měsíci +6

    Thanks for the tests ! Looks like the conclusion is rather DisplayLink => slower macbook

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +1

      that’s only part of the picture

  • @origosis
    @origosis Před 2 měsíci +7

    Been using my basemodel M1 Macbook air 8/256 With 5 Screens in VR (Immersed on Quest 3) for over a year and it is NUTS how well it handles everything.
    Yes it slows a little. But I am still astonished how it handles it so well overall.
    I will have Edge open with about 10 tabs, YT or Twitch streaming, Discord, WoW or FFXIV, and streaming to Discord. All streaming to my VR headset.
    And it works! I will do this for hours. The Air will be HOT AF!!!, but no issues otherwise.
    When using it for work (RDP, Config, and SSH sessions. And a YT video) It is smooth as butter zero noticeable hitching at all.
    Curious how it would have done in these tests, but I JUST traded in the 3 year old baby last week for an 13" Pro M2 24/1TB that was on sale for $870!!!

    • @jeffersonmp4
      @jeffersonmp4 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Where did you get it at that price?

  • @Schlaughter
    @Schlaughter Před měsícem

    Great test! Thank you. Any reason why you didnt try the displaylink with 2 monitors on the Mac pro M3. I'm really curious if it will work, and if there was lag?

  • @theEDMdragon
    @theEDMdragon Před 2 měsíci +30

    This really shows how impressive MacOS is with RAM management

  • @agrupalos3367
    @agrupalos3367 Před měsícem

    Love this, waiting for same test on MacBook Air M3. Website states it only supports 2 external monitors with lid off?!

  • @Krashiel
    @Krashiel Před 2 měsíci

    Hello, I love your vids.
    Do you mind sharing a link/name for the laptop screen extender you're using ?

  • @shadamethyst1258
    @shadamethyst1258 Před 2 měsíci +2

    You missed the opportunity to use hyperfine to do your benchmark measurements. A sample size of 1 is... not a lot. You're essentially measuring noise, which explains why plugging in more displays sometimes caused speedups

  • @XeZrunner
    @XeZrunner Před 2 měsíci +5

    0:07 oh my lord, I jumped

  • @Molto_Molto
    @Molto_Molto Před 2 měsíci

    nice vid, nice setup. whats the little app called u are using to see rpm and temp?

  • @sharjeel_mazhar
    @sharjeel_mazhar Před 2 měsíci

    Could you make a new video about those portable monitors which you've got hooked up with your Mac. I guess those are new ones from your old video a year ago?

  • @definingslawek4731
    @definingslawek4731 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I used to have multiple monitors but now I just run one really good one. 42 inch 4k 120hz 10bit native OLED (LG c3)

  • @laden6675
    @laden6675 Před 2 měsíci

    8:30 - Can you try if the lag disappears if you connect the Macbooks together via a Thunderbolt cable? I know iPads use a wired connection for the screen link if you connect them via USB-C.

  • @techinrl9869
    @techinrl9869 Před 2 měsíci

    As an FYI, any Mac that has the settings checked for being an AirPlay receiver can be used as an external monitor for another Mac. What is even more surprising is that AirPlay works over a cable, not just WiFi. If you plug a Thunderbolt cable into the receiver Mac, most of your latency will go away.

  • @RicardoSilva-hk2er
    @RicardoSilva-hk2er Před 2 měsíci +1

    Humm there somethings that were left out in the video. If you are not using a native resolution (integer converted resolution), the ram, cpu and gpu usage is going to be a lot bigger. You can optimize this by not using monitores out of the ppi range of 100 - 115 and 200 - 230. Try to use 21/22 inch FHD/4k res monitors, 27 inch QHD/5k res or 32 with 6k res for optimal hardware utilisation and viewing experience.

  • @Tech_Publica
    @Tech_Publica Před 2 měsíci

    I would love to see you review the monitor LG 40WP95C with a macbook pro

  • @thedanyesful
    @thedanyesful Před 2 měsíci

    Ok but is it related to the number of monitors or the bandwidth required to drive them? I want to see a benchmark with a single UHD@120Hz monitor plugged in.

  • @jeanm182
    @jeanm182 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Hey Alex, Could you consider creating a video playing “Resident Evil 4 Remake” from the App Store? I’m particularly interested in seeing how it performs on one of your 4K monitors that supports over 60fps. It would be great to find out the maximum FPS you can achieve at 4K resolution, especially since this game is optimized for Macs. I know this is not the purpose of the channel but oh boy you have everything to do the video 😂

  • @andyH_England
    @andyH_England Před 2 měsíci +1

    Yes, please do a "how memory works on macOS", as I have to explain to many people who complain about having a few tabs open and a couple of apps is pushing 8GB of RAM. That way, I can refer to your video, as I suspect no one believes that Apple pre-fetches cache for faster loading! Then, it releases that cache if the RAM is needed for other processes.
    And for those whining about 8GB of RAM filling up. Just restart your tabs or close apps and tabs you are not using to free RAM. That means quitting apps, not just closing the window(s) and also any closed browser tabs (windows). Make sure you have Developer Mode on and then "empty caches". Using Safari can use more RAM than Chrome (still a memory leak issue for some sites like YT - maybe a Google developer issue), but Safari uses less wattage per hour than Chrome. However, you can go into the "Performance" in Chrome settings to reduce that load (Energy Saver). You can also use "Memory Saver", which means websites in tabs in the background will refresh when you return to them. Okay for reading but if you are doing anything you can lose your work. Keep those sites as single Windows to avoid that. This also helps with RAM usage, and that is why 8GB has worked fine for me for what I do (mainly office stuff and research/reading).
    Good video, by the way, and I was impressed with the results. Once Snapdragon X Elite arrives, it will be great to see how Qualcomm with Windows handle these same tests!

  • @manishdk
    @manishdk Před 2 měsíci

    I've got an m1 max 32gb ram Mac running with 3 32inch 4l 144hz monitors and all 3 run very smoothly! One of them has 70w charging and it helps me never use the charger!

  • @platin2148
    @platin2148 Před 2 měsíci

    Can it use one docking station with two monitors? I heard the pro’s are pretty much trash in these terms.

  • @inhthanhuynh7200
    @inhthanhuynh7200 Před 2 měsíci

    I only have a 4k and a FHD(4k res) with DisplayLink on M1 Pro but the WindowServer eat the whooping 9.9GB of RAM with 12.8GB of swap. It's indeed slow but monitor is just for dozens of monitoring/stats apps so I can barely bare with it.

  • @RITPA
    @RITPA Před 2 měsíci

    Biggest reason I got MBP was 2 external monitors, please do this test with the M3 MBA if you get one, supposed to have dual external monitor support with laptop closed.

  • @sukant723
    @sukant723 Před 12 dny

    Can we connect 2 external displays to macbook pro m3 - 16 gigs and 512 gb storage option using one hdmi port and other one with a basic type c hdmi and type c power pass though adapter

  • @craigasketch
    @craigasketch Před 2 měsíci

    I just get a neck ache when I do portrait mode. You should show how to fix that.

  • @circumferenc
    @circumferenc Před 2 měsíci +1

    Displaylink is a cpu hog, especially if you are tying to play a video from youtube on the external monitor. I once noticed that my MBA was thermal throttling, and I was only playing a video.

  • @ManuelGonzalez-pd6hz
    @ManuelGonzalez-pd6hz Před 2 měsíci

    what are the LG Monitors you are using?

  • @theanarchist4449
    @theanarchist4449 Před 2 měsíci

    My MacBook pro does not work well with 2550 by 1080 resolution for my lg ultrawide monitor. It was a disappointment

  • @arozendojr
    @arozendojr Před 2 měsíci +1

    Video suggestion, Xcode performance + iOS simulator, using M3 Air 8gb RAM vs M3 Air 16gb RAM

  • @jewforice
    @jewforice Před 2 měsíci

    Actually there’s still a long lasting problem about windowserver ram usage leaked when you connect the mbp or mba to external monitors for a long enough time (like a week).

  • @sridharmoturu684
    @sridharmoturu684 Před 2 měsíci

    I definitely want you to make a video on how memory works on MAC!

  • @casperes0912
    @casperes0912 Před 2 měsíci

    Sidecar and AirPlay requires encoding the display stream as video for the receiving device

  • @ercntreras
    @ercntreras Před 2 měsíci

    This is a madness!

  • @inqvisitor3722
    @inqvisitor3722 Před 2 měsíci

    please do a review of the air m3 for the developer

  • @andrewcrook6444
    @andrewcrook6444 Před 2 měsíci

    Of course there is a performance hit with displaylink it uses virtual GPUs (vGPU)

  • @Hector-hd2kr
    @Hector-hd2kr Před 2 měsíci

    Hello @alex. Thanks so much for your content I'm your subscriber since the day 1.
    I need you help. I want to have a server for an AI app. So I don't need a monitor. I have a tie budget. Do you recommend a Mac studio with which specification or a windows machine with what specifications? Mainly is to run a quantized llama model, a local chroma db and wishper. Actually I have a MacBook pro M1 and it is not enough

  • @omarcortes5754
    @omarcortes5754 Před 2 měsíci

    Not even Best Buy has that amount of monitors.

  • @emo7122
    @emo7122 Před 2 měsíci

    @AZisk i hope you get to review immersed visor

  • @ivanmytube
    @ivanmytube Před 2 měsíci

    Did Apple quietly pull Universal Control (keyboard & mouse sharing) from all M1, M1Pro& M1Max since Feb 2023? They’re only 2 years old!

  • @thorableinu
    @thorableinu Před 2 měsíci

    On pc with 3 1200p 1 1440p I use 4GB gpu memory just on desktop, madVR 4k video adss another 1.2GB per video open.

  • @CaridorcTergilti
    @CaridorcTergilti Před 2 měsíci

    You can increase ui scaling to still see with high resolution

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci

      yes, that’s in the video - did it for the M2 Max only to see the effect

  • @EfeArda1991
    @EfeArda1991 Před 2 měsíci +1

    No no no more monitors Hertz performance.....

  • @Lorfv
    @Lorfv Před 2 měsíci +3

    Are we getting a m3 air live unboxing? 👀

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +1

      maybe 🤔

  • @gosich
    @gosich Před 2 měsíci

    “Why is my 16GB machine’s using 15GB of RAM, and I’m not even running anything…well, it’s MacOS 🤷🏻‍♂️” - wow, that’s what I’m used to hear about Windows LOL!

  • @someonesomeone2449
    @someonesomeone2449 Před 2 měsíci

    Video how memory works in MacOS and Windows will be great, need some useful link to throw to my friends instead of fighting in holy wars ))))))

  • @anasouardini
    @anasouardini Před 2 měsíci

    For coding, I've never needed more than one 1080p monitor (using linux+WMs BTW)

  • @VelcorHF
    @VelcorHF Před 2 měsíci

    Adding 8k and up in pixels is adding a ton of pixels to drive.

  •  Před 2 měsíci

    MORE MONITORS

  • @DanielHarrisCodes
    @DanielHarrisCodes Před 2 měsíci

    You see the confusion with Windows users as well when it comes to RAM. People don’t realise the OS will make the best use of the RAM rather than trying to use as little as possible.
    That’s what you want it to do

  • @TheJoseUrena
    @TheJoseUrena Před 2 měsíci

    Now do the same with the nvidia 40 series laptop

  • @moltony
    @moltony Před 2 měsíci

    monitor 👍

  • @MeinDeutschkurs
    @MeinDeutschkurs Před 2 měsíci

    Why was all of this surprising? I don’t get the point. 😁❤️ But entertaining.

  • @user-ol3tf1qi6c
    @user-ol3tf1qi6c Před 2 měsíci

    GZDooM? I see you.

  • @NightSprinter
    @NightSprinter Před 2 měsíci

    Welp, no need to ask Can It Run Doom?™️

  • @yghhhhrffv
    @yghhhhrffv Před 2 měsíci

    Also working on single display hurts human performance

  • @willz81
    @willz81 Před 2 měsíci

    What is that like $20K worth of laptops?

  • @clapcell
    @clapcell Před 2 měsíci

    I think it's the same with windows. I have a pc for gaming with a 3060ti and games run much better when I only have 1 monitor connected instead of 3.

  • @user-xb4he2gq9y
    @user-xb4he2gq9y Před 2 měsíci

    Is it just me or does Alex Look like the Main Charakter of “resident alien”?

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci

      I have to prove I fit in

  • @gordonoboh833
    @gordonoboh833 Před 2 měsíci

    That thumbnail tho, why does it look like you are about to show use the Lamborghini in your garage.

  • @anderbeau
    @anderbeau Před 2 měsíci

    I’m getting into day trading and Mac external display support SUCKS! 👎🏼 I can’t tell you how many times I’ve shuffled trying to get things to work with my M2 Ultra.

  • @MrBl0m
    @MrBl0m Před 2 měsíci

    Link to the "side" displays ?

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +1

      www.monduo.co

    • @MrBl0m
      @MrBl0m Před 2 měsíci

      @@AZisk thanks !

  • @anderbeau
    @anderbeau Před 2 měsíci

    Doesn’t tell us how it’s all connected to the MacBook 🤔

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +1

      said it a couple times. thunderbolt docks (linked in description) for native connectivity, and DisplayLink capable dock for beyond (amzn.to/4a4B55L)

  • @ryansmith616
    @ryansmith616 Před 2 měsíci

    Mac OS external display support is garbage. You can't even change the UI scale for non-"retina" displays!! There is some much needed updates to external monitor management for this OS.

  • @dough.9241
    @dough.9241 Před 2 měsíci

    Pretty impressive. Try that on Intel based MacBook Pro. Would need fire extinguishers for sure. And ear plugs to muffle the fan noise. lol

  • @vge260
    @vge260 Před 2 měsíci

    MacBook Pro m3 max = 4 displays
    MacBook Pro m3 pro + display link = 3 displays
    MacBook Pro m3 + display link = 3 displays
    MacBook Air xx + display link = 4 displays ....
    I discovers today the MacBook Pro m3 pro issue with only 3 displays...

  • @thatLion01
    @thatLion01 Před 2 měsíci

    You do amazing work! Thank you for this. Ps I can’t believe it’s called Windows Server. Microsoft guy here makes feel something everyone I heard that. 😂😂😂😂😂Apple needs a server os just to manage their monitors lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 just my lame joke

  • @ramunas_
    @ramunas_ Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for nice video! 🙏 I would like to see MacBooks performance differences when 5K versus 4K monitors used

  • @modoulaminceesay9211
    @modoulaminceesay9211 Před 2 měsíci

    I feel like the m1 and m2 are better than m3 at their peak

  • @peteriddqd
    @peteriddqd Před 2 měsíci

    60hz is disgusting even for coding

  • @famousjimmy8002
    @famousjimmy8002 Před 2 měsíci

    Yo, can I be the editor I been editing for 6years

  • @jmunkki
    @jmunkki Před 2 měsíci

    Wait...what? You are playing video on multiple screens while running a single core benchmark (of sorts) and claiming that having multiple screens hurts performance? Playing video on a single screen would also hurt performance. I'm not sure if you are joking or actually claiming that this is a valid result? Every process doing anything at all is going to use up memory bandwidth, increase thermal load and of course take cycles. I started to watch, hoping to see if just having a second (and third) monitor plugged in and showing a static image would affect benchmark performance.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci

      yes, exactly right

  • @magfal
    @magfal Před 2 měsíci

    My Windows laptop is running 9 external monitors without breaking a sweat or having a measurable impact on performance.
    The 8 primary monitors are all 2560x1600 30 inch and my secondary monitor is a 3840x1100 14 inch
    All these are natively connected over HDMI/DisplayPort.
    Using displaylink adapters I'm able to connect 4 extra portable monitors at the same time but I haven't got the space to use this without turning my chair.

  • @manveersingh3241
    @manveersingh3241 Před 2 měsíci +1

    good, now do this on a mac with 8 gigs of ram💀💀

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +2

      that’s in the video, now watch the rest of the video!

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England Před 2 měsíci +1

      He did and it did brilliantly proving that 8GB even doing some pro work may be fine for some.

    • @manveersingh3241
      @manveersingh3241 Před 2 měsíci

      well M3 can do it but my M1 is currently buried under a buttload of swap 😂😂;great video btw, now i know the limits of these macs when it comes to displays(basicallly none)@@AZisk

  • @OliWinchester
    @OliWinchester Před 2 měsíci

    Overall I like the Macbooks. But I just can't stand the shiny keys.
    I have a 13 yo Dell XPS and the keys still look like new.
    I just don't understand why Apple uses such cheap ABS key caps when the rest of the built is such high quality.

  • @javierluansing6202
    @javierluansing6202 Před 2 měsíci +1

    First to comment