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i believe AMD is slowin down the 5000 series is the reason the 3700x beat the 5700xin one benchmark marketing want you to buy the new CPU's 7000 series . messing with CPU's thru the GPU drivers ?
As of Dec 2023, the 5700x is near half the price of the 7700x and swings pretty hard performance wise while being more energy efficient and having cheap AM4 components. It's still a great buy moving in 2024.
yea and if you need that extra juice that a 7700x could provide... you can allways aim for an R9 5900x AM4 remains a great platform, and a no brainer upgrade path for everybody owning even a 2017 first gen Ryzen with a mid range b350 mobo (which is my case in particular)
Meanwhile you could get a used Asus X570 Gaming Board with an Ryzen 7 5800x3d for 350$ or less, making AMD 7-Series and Intel's 13-14000 Lineup obsolete... For clarification, the Ryzen 7 5800x3d IS Supported on AM4, at it's best on X470/B450/X570/B550 ; Performs on par with a Intel Core i9-13900k or Ryzen 9 7950x and has no real reason to be upgraded, maybe ever, when playing in resolutions 1440p and up, because then the CPU usage is more than halfed and only the Performance counts.
This is an incredible video!! Thanks for the detail & effort into making these differences clear and concise; yeah you should have done that 4K comparison 😜
Great comparison video, lots of useful information. I personally opted for a 5700X just a few weeks ago even though Zen 4 is incoming. The 5700X is a far more affordable 8-core chip on a far more affordable platform, it's very efficient, low temperatures and the single-CCX Zen 3 architecture is excellent for gaming. It delivers a lot of performance without any of the thermal or power consumption drawbacks.
Thanks for this great comparison! Been using a 1800x for like 5 years now and just ordered an AM5 platform with a 7700x and ddr5 ram. So excited to feel the difference!
Yes please reply, how is the upgrade going! I'm still riding out my stock 1700 bought in 1700, Slow mismatched ram, and now dry thermal paste with stock cooler is definitely a struggle. So close now to buying the next gen x3d gaming part! Just a few more months!
@@lostwarhead The gap should be huge upgrade. My 3700X is bottlenecking my 7900 XTX, only upgrade is 5800X3D but thats a dead platform so i will be getting a 7800X3D in 2 months on AM5 platform for future proofing. My 2nd gaming PC was using i5 4690K at 4.5 ghz was bottlenecking my AMD Fury X (80%-90% GPU usage) in helldivers 2 at 40-55 fps with FSR turned on to performance setting with all other graphics settings set to mix of medium and low. Then I upgrade the i5 4690K to Ryzen 5800X3D and FPS shot up to 80 FPS on same settings. Rea
Great roundup! I also want to thank you for not making funny faces/placing your face in the video thumbnails. It gives your videos a grade of professionalism that the other reviewers dont have. Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
I love the 2 latest videos showing the diff of all the generations at 1440p/4k, your the only youtuber so far that has done this with the new cpus. I just wish you had included the 5800x3D since its basically a 5700x aswell. Id like to see how it stacks up against it at the 1440p/4k resolutions.
I'm upgrading my 2700x to a 5700x. I was considering a 5850x3d, but for 1440p gaming I couldn't justify the 170 euro mark up. It stays cooler as well, so I can spin my fans a little slower and keep the pc a little quieter.
The 3700x is GOAT status. It was an incredibly good CPU on all fronts - exceptionally balanced and efficient and competitive from generational-launch. I would narrow down the best AM4 CPUs down to the R5 1600, the R7 3700x, and the R9 5900x, all of them in their respective contexts ... and I think that the 3700x is the absolute best if pushed to choose. It works on all AMD motherboards just fine and it came with a stock cooler that allowed full performance, it is sufficiently powerful to handle any task well enough for most people (from gaming/streaming to video editing to coding/compilation), it was very price competitive in gaming and productivity at launch (matching the 9900k in the latter and only slightly behind in the former) ... it was the perfect mid-platform upgrade for the average b350/R5 1600 user, and it sipped power. The true Jack of all Trades. I currently have a 5900x, and have used/owned a 1600x, 2600, 2700x, 3100, 3700x, 3900x, 5900x. I still have the 3100 (NAS on x370) and 3700x (HTPC on a320) and 5900x (main PC on b550).
Moved from a 3700X to a 5900X, which I run in 65W (88 PPT) ECO -mode. Retain all of the single core perf of normal mode and still beat 3700X in MT by 30% at same power.
@@saricubra2867 lol, since I literally mentioned the 9900k then no, that's obviously false. The 9900k was like 60% higher priced and only 5% faster in average. So no, the 9900k cannot be GOAT in comparison.
Watch PCWorld's breakdown of power usage for the 7950X and the usage of ECO modes. The 7700X is going to be FAR and AWAY the better CPU because of how much more work it gets done in a specific amount of time. Time is money. At least with PCWorld's evaluation of the 7950X they showed that the 7950X in a 65W ECO mode beats the 5950X in SCORE, which is pretty amazing. They show you the scores and the power consumption and frankly the 7950X lays waste to everything.
@@johndoh5182 yeah that was a really interesting video and shows a lot of promise for mobile Zen4. I've not been running my 5900x in ECO mode but I'm starting to think it's worth trying for my use cases.
Great video! It would be even more interesting if you included the FX-8350 and the 1800X as well, but I know you gotta set the limit somewhere or else the video would be an hour long lol
If performance is so paramount and the time you saved can gain you more money, go for the 7700. Otherwise I think the 5700 is too enough for both gaming and working, at least for the next 4 years
@@sparkythewildcat97 Yeah I was evaluating the 7900X and it seems to be a great balance between power consumption and amount of work performed. Then add in AMD is including ECO modes for Zen 4 and frankly I find Zen 4 to be VERY impressive. Now we just need GPUs that are 100% faster so that 4K gaming using RT is doable at high fps.
@dreminh why do u need more than 3600? u some kind of programmer using any of programs that need multicore or u just gaming on pc? or doing anything else?
Thank you for this! I'm considering an upgrade, and it's great to see benchmarks to help make my decision. It looks like the cache doubling is a major factor in the doubling of speed between the 2700x and 7700x in some cases. I'm likely going to wait until the 3D cache 7000 series is released (and the pricing of DDR5 and AM5 motherboards have dropped!) before I make a purchase. Look forward to another vid w/ the 7700x 3D cache when it's available.
@@kinaceman That was my plan, I had a 3600x and recently upgraded to the 5700x because it was under $200 and power efficient for a 8 core chip. It will hold me over until AM5 matures more and gets cheaper
Thank you for including office and light windows task performance. I appreciate a snappy windows experience and fast loading of programs. I hope you'll have these same benchmarks in a 7900x and 7950x review.
@@JarrodsTech Thank you! I look forward to seeing how it performs as a "light work load (lots of browser tabs, some photoshop, office, etc.) / gaming" CPU, and if I can run it comfortably on an air cooler... I have a Noctua NH-D15s.
Apparently, the reason they are so hot is actually due to the thick lids made for backwards cooler compatibility. Hopefully they come out with a refresh with thinner lids.
Considering DDR4 uses a one size fits all approach with XMP I think these tests would have been more accurate with the memory kit tuned to the 2700\3700\5700 as we all know Zen 1 - 3 benefits hugely from properly optimised memory timings.
The big take, most people are gaming with RTX3060/RX 6650XT or lower GPUs. CPU becomes much less a factor in the majority of games where normal range GPUs are used. A 2018 2700X is still getting 99% utilization out of that level GPU and almost the same FPS. Good work :o)
Very good video, I watched the old version of this video and I was planning to upgrade from Rxyen 7 3700x to 5700x, but thanks to that video saved the money and Upgrade from RX5500xt 4gb to the RX6600xt. I will wait until Ryzen 5800x get a price riduce to upgrade. I thanks from the Dominican Republic.
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Great video. I was thinking of upgrading my CPU to the 7700x ( I currently have the 3700x ) but honestly after this video I think I'll stick with my 3700x for a lot longer now.
I was actually surprised at how much better the 3700x is than the 2700x. I think you are right the sweat spot is the 5700x with the potential to go to a 5950x if prices drop even more on special sales and discounts. I think we are in for similar performance on the Intel side of things as well. Great job Jerod as you went all out to give people a larger prospective to make the case for or against upgrading to the new platform. This type of reviewing to that level from oldest to newest is rarely done. Keep up the outstanding coverage as it is extremely helpful, especially in this economic climate.
I sold my 3700x for $160 and the plan was to buy a 5600 non x for $163. Even the vanilla 5600 runs circles around the 3700x for gaming use. I was fine with a straight across trade for a 5600 which almost happened until a $180 5800x popped up close by. 5600 was sent back unopened. Anything 5600 or better is a worthy upgrade to the 3700x unless you take advantage of the little bit better multicore performance.
@@ThePipojp For gaming with a good gpu and targeting higher fps above 120 the 5000 series is a good deal faster than 3000. All nine of my PCs are 5000 series after selling off all my 2000/3000 series. Upgrade costs were very little as I found still cheaper then now prices and sold my old for fair prices. For most gamers that aren’t focused on 60fps gaming 5000 series is a dirt cheap upgrade like what I wrote 11 months ago. $20 more to go from 3700x to 5800x.
My most recent cpu upgrade was a 5800X3D and for my gaming ….. and looking at getting into basic video editing …… it’s all I need 💪👍🥰🤩 in my SFF pc. The new Ryzen 7000 series thou, imo, is the new budget Threadripper cpu for those getting into professional/ creator workloads on a budget 💪😇
My 5700x in r23 got 15644 points on the multi core test and 1594 points in single core. I have a -30 pbo and 200 mhz positive offset for the max boost clock. Power draw was about 130 watts in multicore and 40 in singlecore, max temps were 78°C with a Cr-2000GT. All core average frequency was 4650 mhz! I have it paired with a Rx6700 sapphire and it works great!
I feel better about my 5700x purchase. It was under $200 and a simple bios update on my existing B550 board. I play at 1440p with a 3080 so its well balanced and can give me some time to wait for AM5 to mature a bit and come down in prices. I will wait to upgrade when I see how the AM5 3Dvcache cpus perform
I enjoy your comparison videos Jarrod. They are informative, thanks. I'm still running the 3700x in two of my systems despite the recent price drop of the 5950x to $399. While the upgrade is tempting, I'm not at all sure I'll see any performance gains in the software development / machine learning work I do. The CPU load on my system is generally quite low. It's the GPU that is performing most of the AI work. The other factor is I don't want to have to get new software licenses. Dropping in a new CPU will deactivate Adobe Suite, MS Office Suite, Windows, etc etc.
Mine 5700x hitting 4250 hz all core in cinebench 23 after pbo2 tuning. And it's running lower then 50 degrees in my system. Very good CPU. Didn't have money for 5800x or 58003d, but still very satisfied with perfomance. Good comparison video!
Exactly what I needed. I have a 2700X and am itching to upgrade when the next X3D comes out. Crazy to see the differences in the games. I think one of the things people leave out when they say "Just buy an 5800X3D" is that you don't get PCIE 5 SSD support. I have a X470 motherboard so any harddrive upgrade I do can only go so far. I'd really like to go for the new high speed SSDs next upgrade.
You have to spend over $230 American to get a AM5 motherboard with PCIE5 support. All the lower end boards have just PCIE4 and are over $100 while a AM4 B550/X570 can be had for 100 or less with a PCIE4 slot. I have a B550 with a PCIE4 2 TB so I'm definitely not upgrading this generation. I have a 3700x so I don't know if I want to keep it and wait or upgrade to 5700x/5900x. Was going to go 5800x3d but the price is still above 300 so I might just wait until new games come out next year when AMD might release a 7XXX3D chip and prices come down more. Because of the lack of PCIE5 on anything less than 200 for a board I'm not going to upgrade to AM5 for a while especially because PCIE 4 drives are still new and as fast as you can get without paying the price of a system for a single drive.
Thanks for this test! It solidifies my decision to stay on AM4. I've upgraded recently from R5 5600 to R7 5700x and could not be happier with it. It was way more cost effective now than going for a 5800x3D! Your 5700x here is suspiciously slower than mine. I get mostly around 15.5K or more on Cinebench R23 and when pushed it never goes lower than 4.6ghz all cores. It often goes to 4.7ghz. But I do use CO to undervolt. Combined with a good air cooler (Peerless Assasin), good temps and performance as a result.
Love that you have Warhammer 3 in there, but the real question here is TURN TIMES. Immortal empires has so many factions, I take a break between turns with my 2700x. Would be great to know if a CPU upgrade could fix it.
You should run a test comparing performance at similar power limits (65W/105W/etc...). Supposedly, the new 7000 series CPUs can get within 10-20% of their full-bore maximum TDP performance results on less than half the power draw, but the stock boosting behavior causes it to be overlooked.
@@JarrodsTech you did get plenty of good test data. I just hope to see those test results from more than one source (pcworld I think?) in the coming weeks on it's performance in lower power limits, especially with SFF builds with low profile coolers being as popular as they are now, and anyone looking to upgrade or build SFF would want to know if the 7000 series would be a reasonable purchase.
This won't probably have an impact on gaming since both 12th gen and R7000 run between 50-70W while gaming. (excluding SKUs like the 12900KS which is just dumb)
Perfect! Now can you compare this with Intel's line-up? Also a quick recap, charts, graphics, for those who aren't necessarily interested in 20 minutes of intense in-depth analysis please! I just need to decide what CPU fits my needs vs budget best.
@@madarasoun3018 absolutely as I got it for $270 cad which was about $200 some usd the value is insane if price drops but I do want a 5800x3d with new GPU eventually
Hello friend, I love your comparisons and the procedure you do, I know it's a lot of work, I thank you for sharing that information with us. Sorry if I write wrong, I use a translator since I don't speak Spanish, I'm from Iquique Chile, greetings and thanks for your time, very grateful.
@@rallyscoot That is my plan! The 7800x3d looks great but its still $450 since it released recently. I will wait a year for that price to go down before upgrading to AM5
I'd love to see a partial load power draw comparison. The big news is 95C and massive watts but how bad is it when gaming or workstationing? If the new gen is only chomping power when max cores max load but the same everywhere else on the load range then that's a huge win. One of the reasons I got AMD vs Intel was the perf per watt and low heat dissipation. I've done spaceheater PCs before and not interested in going back.
3700X user here contemplating on the 7700X and this is exactly what I needed. Thank you! Now all I need is a 3700X vs 13700K video and I'll be all set to determine if I will upgrade or not 😅
I have 3700X and considering in-place upgrade to 5900X or even 5950X. I have a great MB and fast low-timing memory, upgrading only a CPU is a nice idea especially as prices for 5000 series are lower now.
I'm in the same boat, but since I don't really push my computer at all....I think 3700x is still in a really nice spot. Was looking at the 5800x3d, but I probably wouldn't see much benefit day-to-day.
It is interesting to see the different comparisons using different programs. I've been trying to decide how to upgrade my current Q9400 which is overclocked to 3.8GHz. It still runs pretty well but it's just 4 cores/4 threads. Just using geekbench- a single core of the 2700x is only twice as fast as my Q9400, that's the improvement made in roughly 12 years time. Then in less than 3 years going from 2700x to 7700x single core performance has gone up almost that same percentage. AMD discovered a secret somewhere.
😏👍 cool, i have a few Core2Quads n boards in storage, if ur looking to upgrade the 5700X is decent, just pu an matx board and a couple cheap ram sticks, on intel side the i5's 6/12 are pretty decent, 11 12 or gen 13
Biggest upgrade was going from my 2700x to 5800x. Kept getting WHEA errors so I RMAed and asked AMD to send me a 5800x3d instead. They agreed and i couldn't be happier. Beast of a CPU.
I was really considering upgrading from my 3700X to a 7000 series, the cpu's themselves arent 'too' expensive, but god damb the mobo prices are crazy. For a motherboard that has a single pci-e 5 x16 slot and everything else being pci-e 4 your still looking in excess of 550 euro. Thats premium motherboard pricing for feature parity with what should be a mid range board (having features cut back for cost savings). For a board that doesnt cut features back its 650+ which is crazy, maybe pricing is better for the US but its not good in the EU. Couple that with the increased power draw, so bigger psu requirement and the increase in ddr5 price (its still very notable increase over ddr4). And I just couldnt justify it. Waiting to see what intel release, then it will either be a 5950 drop in replacement or jumping ship to intel 13th gen. Although as a principle developer i can technically afford the AMD system, AMD has priced themselves out of justifying the build.
Have watched a few videos on this kind of comparison, for the best value I can get(for my use) is the Ryzen 7 5700X or 5700G with graphics unless you want THE best performance, excessive heat generated and also thanks to the power bill.
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 You know POWER is getting very expensive and excessive usage of power is bad for global warming. I personally don't need top performance hence my comment.
I always look for a good balance between performance and efficiency (power consumption). I honestly don't like the new architecture's power consumption and the amount of heat it runs at. So I'll stick with my 5600x for a few more generations
im not telling you that you need to upgrade but it’s actually very power efficient. amd just has stock settings at very high power. as a 7700x owner, i watched a 10 minute video to use pbo tuning achieved 1-4% worse performance in synthetics at 85 watts, 65, and that’s compared to the stock 135 watts and 95c temps. (multicore cinnebench)
I'm quite happy with my 4900HS processor + GTX2060 max Q, been playing games on my laptop with an external ultra-widescreen at 3440x1440 at high settings without issues.
Do you have a website or spreadsheet where you keep all this benchmark data? I would love to see how the older 5900 series compares to the 7700 series side by side.
If the power consumption is a consideration, there is an under volt setting that drops the power and heat massively without losing performance to a marked degree.
Just like the 3000 and 5000 series was a big improvement in power usage and heat on AM4 , I think the same will happen with AM5 and therefor I'll wait until at least 8000 or 9000 series before switching from my 5950X
Maybe, or maybe to keep up with Intel they keep running at higher power. I guess to be fair if this is important to you you can just power limit them yourself
I have a Ryzen 2700X in a mini-ITX build I did in January 2020. Last March (2022), upgraded the GPU from a 5600XT to a 6700XT. I am noticing some 1440p stuttering in 1440p and thinking of an upgrade to either the 5700X or the 5600X3D.
I started from an i7 3470 with a 1060 6GB and recently upgrade this year to 5700x with a 4070 super and DAMN! what a leap of performance and I started playing VR and this AM4 CPU still fights on at a good value.
My laptop's 4700u regularly goes to 110 degrees peak with around 100 sustained, and while I agree these are quite toasty temps it doesn't seem to have an issue with it
Amazing video ! So i should probably to keep my Ryzen 7 3700X for a while, because he is very good for the price and my use. I have just to upgrade my graphics card in few month, but my PC still a very good stuff . Ryzen 7 3700X, RTX 2070Super and 32GB RAM.
you can undervolt the 7000 series and get lower power consumption without a noticable reduction in clock speed. you can achive same performance with roughly 25-30% less power draw. fidlly to get there, but possible. lower temps are the positive side effect
Just wanted to thank you for this. I can only imagine how time consuming these tests must be. Happy 5700X owner here, I think it's a fantastic CPU for the price.
Reports indicate that the ECO mode has to be something to test against when doing mult-core work - some of the reports of the possible power saving for the 7950X vs the reduction in performance look very good.
Well that's true, on both 7950X and 7900X simply going from stock (170W TDP/230W PPT) to ECO 105 mode (105/142) only incurs a ~6% drop in productivity performance and no drop in gaming performance. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. You can also use undervolting, curve optimizer, PBO offsets and temperature to get similar or even *better* results than stock WHILE USING LESS POWER/LOWER TEMPS too. The amount of tweaking you can do on Ryzen 7000 is insane!
@Jarrod'sTech how did u manage to get so many frames in Warzone on 7 3700x? I had that CPU when I bough 6900xt and my frames just stopped at 130 (AVG) and 70 (1%LOW). The 3700x bottlenecked my new GPU so I decided to buy 5000 series to gain performance. Even with lowest settings it was impossible for me to get 200FPS on 1440p not mentioning 240FPS on 1080p.
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Ok😌
Can you do the test with 4K gaming between this 4 ryzen generation?
you should do the ryzen 5 im running a r5 3600xt and whould like to see how to holds up to the newr and older gen
i believe AMD is slowin down the 5000 series is the reason the 3700x beat the 5700xin one benchmark marketing want you to buy the new CPU's 7000 series . messing with CPU's thru the GPU drivers ?
Please test the 7700 without throttling at 95C. Try to target 90C max, so we can see the real performance of the chip! Thank you!
It's nice to see Ryzen finally getting some of Intel's features like integrated graphics, LGA sockets and high temperatures.
😂😂
amd is getting more like intel, however intel is getting more like amd😂
@@303kors3 demmit copy paste 😂
Personally I don't care for integrated graphics. rather see that die space go to cache an other more cpu cache
or bus bandwidth improvements.
The thing is that if you just adjust The voltage, The temps stop being high
As of Dec 2023, the 5700x is near half the price of the 7700x and swings pretty hard performance wise while being more energy efficient and having cheap AM4 components. It's still a great buy moving in 2024.
yea and if you need that extra juice that a 7700x could provide... you can allways aim for an R9 5900x
AM4 remains a great platform, and a no brainer upgrade path for everybody owning even a 2017 first gen Ryzen with a mid range b350 mobo (which is my case in particular)
@@jotabe1984 - I got ripped off buying a 5900x at $182 = *I truly hate my life*
Meanwhile you could get a used Asus X570 Gaming Board with an Ryzen 7 5800x3d for 350$ or less, making AMD 7-Series and Intel's 13-14000 Lineup obsolete...
For clarification, the Ryzen 7 5800x3d IS Supported on AM4, at it's best on X470/B450/X570/B550 ; Performs on par with a Intel Core i9-13900k or Ryzen 9 7950x and has no real reason to be upgraded, maybe ever, when playing in resolutions 1440p and up, because then the CPU usage is more than halfed and only the Performance counts.
@@Alexdbre - Ok and ?
I got a 12700k for $155
I REALLY WANT AMD - Well I got a 7700x for $161 but that's not the point
This is an incredible video!! Thanks for the detail & effort into making these differences clear and concise; yeah you should have done that 4K comparison 😜
Great comparison video, lots of useful information.
I personally opted for a 5700X just a few weeks ago even though Zen 4 is incoming. The 5700X is a far more affordable 8-core chip on a far more affordable platform, it's very efficient, low temperatures and the single-CCX Zen 3 architecture is excellent for gaming. It delivers a lot of performance without any of the thermal or power consumption drawbacks.
Thanks! Yeah definitely good value there 👍
My choice as well.
Same, i used 3700x before upgrading to 5700x and realize its much cooler (using same fan wraith cooler) and perform tad better
Yep done the same and I absolutely love my r7 5700x. I have upgraded from the legendary i5 2500k and the performance increase is insane.
You keep popping up for niche hardware questions and I’m digging it, great breakdowns and thorough insights. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this great comparison!
Been using a 1800x for like 5 years now and just ordered an AM5 platform with a 7700x and ddr5 ram. So excited to feel the difference!
how you like your new pc?
Yes please reply, how is the upgrade going!
I'm still riding out my stock 1700 bought in 1700,
Slow mismatched ram, and now dry thermal paste with stock cooler is definitely a struggle.
So close now to buying the next gen x3d gaming part! Just a few more months!
@@TheProJigsawi cant tell if this is a troll or not
@@lostwarhead The gap should be huge upgrade. My 3700X is bottlenecking my 7900 XTX, only upgrade is 5800X3D but thats a dead platform so i will be getting a 7800X3D in 2 months on AM5 platform for future proofing. My 2nd gaming PC was using i5 4690K at 4.5 ghz was bottlenecking my AMD Fury X (80%-90% GPU usage) in helldivers 2 at 40-55 fps with FSR turned on to performance setting with all other graphics settings set to mix of medium and low. Then I upgrade the i5 4690K to Ryzen 5800X3D and FPS shot up to 80 FPS on same settings. Rea
Great roundup! I also want to thank you for not making funny faces/placing your face in the video thumbnails. It gives your videos a grade of professionalism that the other reviewers dont have. Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
Dude I love these comparison videos you do. Very helpful. Thank you so much 👏❤
5700x is just perfect. Cool and very performant
Exactly, you get almost the same performance as a 5800x but more power efficient and runs cooler
I love the 2 latest videos showing the diff of all the generations at 1440p/4k, your the only youtuber so far that has done this with the new cpus. I just wish you had included the 5800x3D since its basically a 5700x aswell. Id like to see how it stacks up against it at the 1440p/4k resolutions.
I'm upgrading my 2700x to a 5700x. I was considering a 5850x3d, but for 1440p gaming I couldn't justify the 170 euro mark up. It stays cooler as well, so I can spin my fans a little slower and keep the pc a little quieter.
The 3700x is GOAT status. It was an incredibly good CPU on all fronts - exceptionally balanced and efficient and competitive from generational-launch. I would narrow down the best AM4 CPUs down to the R5 1600, the R7 3700x, and the R9 5900x, all of them in their respective contexts ... and I think that the 3700x is the absolute best if pushed to choose. It works on all AMD motherboards just fine and it came with a stock cooler that allowed full performance, it is sufficiently powerful to handle any task well enough for most people (from gaming/streaming to video editing to coding/compilation), it was very price competitive in gaming and productivity at launch (matching the 9900k in the latter and only slightly behind in the former) ... it was the perfect mid-platform upgrade for the average b350/R5 1600 user, and it sipped power. The true Jack of all Trades.
I currently have a 5900x, and have used/owned a 1600x, 2600, 2700x, 3100, 3700x, 3900x, 5900x. I still have the 3100 (NAS on x370) and 3700x (HTPC on a320) and 5900x (main PC on b550).
Moved from a 3700X to a 5900X, which I run in 65W (88 PPT) ECO -mode. Retain all of the single core perf of normal mode and still beat 3700X in MT by 30% at same power.
"GOAT status" If you ignore the i9-9900K's existance.
@@saricubra2867 lol, since I literally mentioned the 9900k then no, that's obviously false. The 9900k was like 60% higher priced and only 5% faster in average.
So no, the 9900k cannot be GOAT in comparison.
Watch PCWorld's breakdown of power usage for the 7950X and the usage of ECO modes.
The 7700X is going to be FAR and AWAY the better CPU because of how much more work it gets done in a specific amount of time. Time is money.
At least with PCWorld's evaluation of the 7950X they showed that the 7950X in a 65W ECO mode beats the 5950X in SCORE, which is pretty amazing. They show you the scores and the power consumption and frankly the 7950X lays waste to everything.
@@johndoh5182 yeah that was a really interesting video and shows a lot of promise for mobile Zen4. I've not been running my 5900x in ECO mode but I'm starting to think it's worth trying for my use cases.
Great video! It would be even more interesting if you included the FX-8350 and the 1800X as well, but I know you gotta set the limit somewhere or else the video would be an hour long lol
I would like to see Ryzen 7 5800X3D added in this list
For sure, because it's another Ryzen X700 series
Great video, bought a 5700x recently and I'm very excited to try it in my build. Awesome in flames t shirt btw
Nice video and all, but my friend...
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If performance is so paramount and the time you saved can gain you more money, go for the 7700. Otherwise I think the 5700 is too enough for both gaming and working, at least for the next 4 years
Basically yeah
@dreminh 5700x
TBH, if saving time with cpu workloads makes you money, then the 7950x, or at least the 7900x make the most sense.
@@sparkythewildcat97 Yeah I was evaluating the 7900X and it seems to be a great balance between power consumption and amount of work performed.
Then add in AMD is including ECO modes for Zen 4 and frankly I find Zen 4 to be VERY impressive.
Now we just need GPUs that are 100% faster so that 4K gaming using RT is doable at high fps.
@dreminh why do u need more than 3600? u some kind of programmer using any of programs that need multicore or u just gaming on pc? or doing anything else?
Thank you for this! I'm considering an upgrade, and it's great to see benchmarks to help make my decision. It looks like the cache doubling is a major factor in the doubling of speed between the 2700x and 7700x in some cases. I'm likely going to wait until the 3D cache 7000 series is released (and the pricing of DDR5 and AM5 motherboards have dropped!) before I make a purchase.
Look forward to another vid w/ the 7700x 3D cache when it's available.
just buy a 5700X for now and save yourself a ton of money
@@kinaceman That was my plan, I had a 3600x and recently upgraded to the 5700x because it was under $200 and power efficient for a 8 core chip. It will hold me over until AM5 matures more and gets cheaper
Thank you for including office and light windows task performance. I appreciate a snappy windows experience and fast loading of programs. I hope you'll have these same benchmarks in a 7900x and 7950x review.
7950x video is up already! I should be getting 7900x later this week so give me some time
@@JarrodsTech Thank you! I look forward to seeing how it performs as a "light work load (lots of browser tabs, some photoshop, office, etc.) / gaming" CPU, and if I can run it comfortably on an air cooler... I have a Noctua NH-D15s.
Apparently, the reason they are so hot is actually due to the thick lids made for backwards cooler compatibility. Hopefully they come out with a refresh with thinner lids.
i give a like just for the organization and time spend in this video, Great work!!
Considering DDR4 uses a one size fits all approach with XMP I think these tests would have been more accurate with the memory kit tuned to the 2700\3700\5700 as we all know Zen 1 - 3 benefits hugely from properly optimised memory timings.
The big take, most people are gaming with RTX3060/RX 6650XT or lower GPUs. CPU becomes much less a factor in the majority of games where normal range GPUs are used. A 2018 2700X is still getting 99% utilization out of that level GPU and almost the same FPS. Good work :o)
WOW, amazing job, thanks a lot!
Very good video, I watched the old version of this video and I was planning to upgrade from Rxyen 7 3700x to 5700x, but thanks to that video saved the money and Upgrade from RX5500xt 4gb to the RX6600xt. I will wait until Ryzen 5800x get a price riduce to upgrade. I thanks from the Dominican Republic.
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Great video. I was thinking of upgrading my CPU to the 7700x ( I currently have the 3700x ) but honestly after this video I think I'll stick with my 3700x for a lot longer now.
Dude I'm planning an upgrade to 5800x3d but in few years, for now everything is gpu bound anyway and everything will be cheaper :)
Great video. Nicely done.
I was actually surprised at how much better the 3700x is than the 2700x. I think you are right the sweat spot is the 5700x with the potential to go to a 5950x if prices drop even more on special sales and discounts. I think we are in for similar performance on the Intel side of things as well. Great job Jerod as you went all out to give people a larger prospective to make the case for or against upgrading to the new platform. This type of reviewing to that level from oldest to newest is rarely done. Keep up the outstanding coverage as it is extremely helpful, especially in this economic climate.
I sold my 3700x for $160 and the plan was to buy a 5600 non x for $163. Even the vanilla 5600 runs circles around the 3700x for gaming use. I was fine with a straight across trade for a 5600 which almost happened until a $180 5800x popped up close by. 5600 was sent back unopened. Anything 5600 or better is a worthy upgrade to the 3700x unless you take advantage of the little bit better multicore performance.
@@45enoThe 5600 is like, 10% better in gaming
@@ThePipojp For gaming with a good gpu and targeting higher fps above 120 the 5000 series is a good deal faster than 3000. All nine of my PCs are 5000 series after selling off all my 2000/3000 series. Upgrade costs were very little as I found still cheaper then now prices and sold my old for fair prices. For most gamers that aren’t focused on 60fps gaming 5000 series is a dirt cheap upgrade like what I wrote 11 months ago. $20 more to go from 3700x to 5800x.
Thank You, great video! I learned a lot.
Glad to hear it!
Szanuję poświęcony czas na testy dobra robota!
My most recent cpu upgrade was a 5800X3D and for my gaming ….. and looking at getting into basic video editing …… it’s all I need 💪👍🥰🤩 in my SFF pc. The new Ryzen 7000 series thou, imo, is the new budget Threadripper cpu for those getting into professional/ creator workloads on a budget 💪😇
Amazing! Thank you as an owner of a 3700X
Great game selection man! Even tough Battlefield 2042 and wow are the cpu demanding games i play.
What a comparison.. Thank you
My 5700x in r23 got 15644 points on the multi core test and 1594 points in single core. I have a -30 pbo and 200 mhz positive offset for the max boost clock. Power draw was about 130 watts in multicore and 40 in singlecore, max temps were 78°C with a Cr-2000GT.
All core average frequency was 4650 mhz! I have it paired with a Rx6700 sapphire and it works great!
I feel better about my 5700x purchase. It was under $200 and a simple bios update on my existing B550 board. I play at 1440p with a 3080 so its well balanced and can give me some time to wait for AM5 to mature a bit and come down in prices. I will wait to upgrade when I see how the AM5 3Dvcache cpus perform
I enjoy your comparison videos Jarrod. They are informative, thanks. I'm still running the 3700x in two of my systems despite the recent price drop of the 5950x to $399. While the upgrade is tempting, I'm not at all sure I'll see any performance gains in the software development / machine learning work I do. The CPU load on my system is generally quite low. It's the GPU that is performing most of the AI work. The other factor is I don't want to have to get new software licenses. Dropping in a new CPU will deactivate Adobe Suite, MS Office Suite, Windows, etc etc.
Mine 5700x hitting 4250 hz all core in cinebench 23 after pbo2 tuning. And it's running lower then 50 degrees in my system. Very good CPU. Didn't have money for 5800x or 58003d, but still very satisfied with perfomance. Good comparison video!
0.000004250 GHz?
@@longpham-sj5sv t9
The video I needed!
Exactly what I needed. I have a 2700X and am itching to upgrade when the next X3D comes out. Crazy to see the differences in the games. I think one of the things people leave out when they say "Just buy an 5800X3D" is that you don't get PCIE 5 SSD support. I have a X470 motherboard so any harddrive upgrade I do can only go so far. I'd really like to go for the new high speed SSDs next upgrade.
You have to spend over $230 American to get a AM5 motherboard with PCIE5 support. All the lower end boards have just PCIE4 and are over $100 while a AM4 B550/X570 can be had for 100 or less with a PCIE4 slot.
I have a B550 with a PCIE4 2 TB so I'm definitely not upgrading this generation. I have a 3700x so I don't know if I want to keep it and wait or upgrade to 5700x/5900x. Was going to go 5800x3d but the price is still above 300 so I might just wait until new games come out next year when AMD might release a 7XXX3D chip and prices come down more. Because of the lack of PCIE5 on anything less than 200 for a board I'm not going to upgrade to AM5 for a while especially because PCIE 4 drives are still new and as fast as you can get without paying the price of a system for a single drive.
is it really that big deal? gen 4 is fine for some time. upgrading every year is more of a fade.
Thanks for this test! It solidifies my decision to stay on AM4. I've upgraded recently from R5 5600 to R7 5700x and could not be happier with it. It was way more cost effective now than going for a 5800x3D! Your 5700x here is suspiciously slower than mine. I get mostly around 15.5K or more on Cinebench R23 and when pushed it never goes lower than 4.6ghz all cores. It often goes to 4.7ghz. But I do use CO to undervolt. Combined with a good air cooler (Peerless Assasin), good temps and performance as a result.
Love that you have Warhammer 3 in there, but the real question here is TURN TIMES. Immortal empires has so many factions, I take a break between turns with my 2700x. Would be great to know if a CPU upgrade could fix it.
Amazing Video TNX
You should run a test comparing performance at similar power limits (65W/105W/etc...). Supposedly, the new 7000 series CPUs can get within 10-20% of their full-bore maximum TDP performance results on less than half the power draw, but the stock boosting behavior causes it to be overlooked.
I considered it but ultimately the tests here took long enough and I felt they better represent how most people would run these
@@JarrodsTech you did get plenty of good test data. I just hope to see those test results from more than one source (pcworld I think?) in the coming weeks on it's performance in lower power limits, especially with SFF builds with low profile coolers being as popular as they are now, and anyone looking to upgrade or build SFF would want to know if the 7000 series would be a reasonable purchase.
This won't probably have an impact on gaming since both 12th gen and R7000 run between 50-70W while gaming. (excluding SKUs like the 12900KS which is just dumb)
Perfect! Now can you compare this with Intel's line-up? Also a quick recap, charts, graphics, for those who aren't necessarily interested in 20 minutes of intense in-depth analysis please! I just need to decide what CPU fits my needs vs budget best.
been waiting for this i got a 5700x
Yours seems the best in efficiency.
@@madarasoun3018 if you set the 7700x to 65w it will still be significantly faster and more efficient
@@rdmz135 any video link, i can check to see that?
@@madarasoun3018 absolutely as I got it for $270 cad which was about $200 some usd the value is insane if price drops but I do want a 5800x3d with new GPU eventually
Hello friend, I love your comparisons and the procedure you do, I know it's a lot of work, I thank you for sharing that information with us. Sorry if I write wrong, I use a translator since I don't speak Spanish, I'm from Iquique Chile, greetings and thanks for your time, very grateful.
if i was planning on upgrading, id definitely wait for the 3D version of the new generation, it seems to make such a big difference for the 5800x3d
only the price amd would ask... And if you wait for it for the price comes down. Then better go with zen5
@@rallyscoot That is my plan! The 7800x3d looks great but its still $450 since it released recently. I will wait a year for that price to go down before upgrading to AM5
An excellent and thoroughly done video! Bravo Jarrod! 👏 thank you for doing God's work
I'd love to see a partial load power draw comparison. The big news is 95C and massive watts but how bad is it when gaming or workstationing? If the new gen is only chomping power when max cores max load but the same everywhere else on the load range then that's a huge win.
One of the reasons I got AMD vs Intel was the perf per watt and low heat dissipation. I've done spaceheater PCs before and not interested in going back.
good comparision, thanks
3700X user here contemplating on the 7700X and this is exactly what I needed. Thank you! Now all I need is a 3700X vs 13700K video and I'll be all set to determine if I will upgrade or not 😅
wait for 7700x3d
I have 3700X and considering in-place upgrade to 5900X or even 5950X. I have a great MB and fast low-timing memory, upgrading only a CPU is a nice idea especially as prices for 5000 series are lower now.
I'm in the same boat, but since I don't really push my computer at all....I think 3700x is still in a really nice spot. Was looking at the 5800x3d, but I probably wouldn't see much benefit day-to-day.
@@elasmojones Same here, I don't think I would see any benefit, or not enough, with a 5800x3d with my 3070ti
pls make a comparison for the midrange line. (3600, 5600, 7600X). great content as always!
Thank you for your hard work
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It is interesting to see the different comparisons using different programs. I've been trying to decide how to upgrade my current Q9400 which is overclocked to 3.8GHz. It still runs pretty well but it's just 4 cores/4 threads. Just using geekbench- a single core of the 2700x is only twice as fast as my Q9400, that's the improvement made in roughly 12 years time. Then in less than 3 years going from 2700x to 7700x single core performance has gone up almost that same percentage. AMD discovered a secret somewhere.
😏👍 cool, i have a few Core2Quads n boards in storage, if ur looking to upgrade the 5700X is decent, just pu an matx board and a couple cheap ram sticks, on intel side the i5's 6/12 are pretty decent, 11 12 or gen 13
Great video! Can you do a comparison of 7900X, 5900X and 3900X?
Biggest upgrade was going from my 2700x to 5800x. Kept getting WHEA errors so I RMAed and asked AMD to send me a 5800x3d instead. They agreed and i couldn't be happier. Beast of a CPU.
Haha nice one!
Does they sent you with it a cooler or you have to pay a $100 or $150 for a cooler
I was really considering upgrading from my 3700X to a 7000 series, the cpu's themselves arent 'too' expensive, but god damb the mobo prices are crazy.
For a motherboard that has a single pci-e 5 x16 slot and everything else being pci-e 4 your still looking in excess of 550 euro. Thats premium motherboard pricing for feature parity with what should be a mid range board (having features cut back for cost savings). For a board that doesnt cut features back its 650+ which is crazy, maybe pricing is better for the US but its not good in the EU. Couple that with the increased power draw, so bigger psu requirement and the increase in ddr5 price (its still very notable increase over ddr4). And I just couldnt justify it.
Waiting to see what intel release, then it will either be a 5950 drop in replacement or jumping ship to intel 13th gen. Although as a principle developer i can technically afford the AMD system, AMD has priced themselves out of justifying the build.
Have watched a few videos on this kind of comparison, for the best value I can get(for my use) is the Ryzen 7 5700X or 5700G with graphics unless you want THE best performance, excessive heat generated and also thanks to the power bill.
i mean in realistic situation you wont even reach 75% usage which uses even less power
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 You know POWER is getting very expensive and excessive usage of power is bad for global warming. I personally don't need top performance hence my comment.
I always look for a good balance between performance and efficiency (power consumption). I honestly don't like the new architecture's power consumption and the amount of heat it runs at. So I'll stick with my 5600x for a few more generations
im not telling you that you need to upgrade but it’s actually very power efficient. amd just has stock settings at very high power. as a 7700x owner, i watched a 10 minute video to use pbo tuning achieved 1-4% worse performance in synthetics at 85 watts, 65, and that’s compared to the stock 135 watts and 95c temps. (multicore cinnebench)
I'm quite happy with my 4900HS processor + GTX2060 max Q, been playing games on my laptop with an external ultra-widescreen at 3440x1440 at high settings without issues.
Do you have a website or spreadsheet where you keep all this benchmark data? I would love to see how the older 5900 series compares to the 7700 series side by side.
There is no better tech reviewer on CZcams - thanks Jarrod
This is the best way to compare
woah.. so helpful.. thx
I've been eyeing an R7 5700X, now I'm convinced. Thanks!
Nice video but time will tell if those pretty hot processor will be reliable i wait for at least a year before considering changing my i5 9400f 😄
Will be really interesting to see how these scores for next get GPUs from both nVidia and AMD...
If the power consumption is a consideration, there is an under volt setting that drops the power and heat massively without losing performance to a marked degree.
Good review
Just like the 3000 and 5000 series was a big improvement in power usage and heat on AM4 , I think the same will happen with AM5 and therefor I'll wait until at least 8000 or 9000 series before switching from my 5950X
Maybe, or maybe to keep up with Intel they keep running at higher power. I guess to be fair if this is important to you you can just power limit them yourself
Great video
I have a Ryzen 2700X in a mini-ITX build I did in January 2020. Last March (2022), upgraded the GPU from a 5600XT to a 6700XT. I am noticing some 1440p stuttering in 1440p and thinking of an upgrade to either the 5700X or the 5600X3D.
I bought my 2700x in 2018 - and still running it. Still great for everything that I do!
am4 cpus will be used for the nexty 10 years i have friends with am3 cpu and are still happy with them
My computer is a 2700X, so this video is a godsend in terms of answering my questions about upgrading. Thank you!
Buy a 5600... it's a smart upgrade for gaming
@@Bruuman No it isn't
@@SPG8989 K... good input 👌
I started from an i7 3470 with a 1060 6GB and recently upgrade this year to 5700x with a 4070 super and DAMN! what a leap of performance and I started playing VR and this AM4 CPU still fights on at a good value.
The sensors of my laptop CPU usually peak at 98°C. Good to know that I can use it as a baseline.
you cant the cpu is throttling
I wish the other 8 cores were included too. Especially the 5800x3d
Great job man 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks!
i have the ryzen 7 2700x for nearly 5 years now ... and i will keep it for 1-2 more years ... its still a beast concidering that it launched in 2018!
My laptop's 4700u regularly goes to 110 degrees peak with around 100 sustained, and while I agree these are quite toasty temps it doesn't seem to have an issue with it
Good video. would have been nice to see the 5600x in the list.
Amazing video !
So i should probably to keep my Ryzen 7 3700X for a while, because he is very good for the price and my use.
I have just to upgrade my graphics card in few month, but my PC still a very good stuff . Ryzen 7 3700X, RTX 2070Super and 32GB RAM.
Evidemment. Surtout que là le test a été effectué avec une RTX 3090Ti à plus de 2000 euros ...
4:45 I love the way classroom is lower than junkshop... Yup, that was our computer lab alright! 😂
And a still with my 2700x, remain good to play with my 3070 in 1440p. Nice analysi, thanks!
Thanks for your work! Still decided to change my 2700x to 5700x! It will be cost me like 80$, 100% worth it. I've enough for another couple of years.
hello i like to ask do 5700x work for amd b550 mortherboard?? are do i need to update bios to get it to work to boost it up?
you can undervolt the 7000 series and get lower power consumption without a noticable reduction in clock speed. you can achive same performance with roughly 25-30% less power draw. fidlly to get there, but possible. lower temps are the positive side effect
I went from a 1700 to a 5900x last year. It was awesome
Now that's a generational leap 💪
Best way to do it.
Just wanted to thank you for this. I can only imagine how time consuming these tests must be. Happy 5700X owner here, I think it's a fantastic CPU for the price.
i have bought 5700x too just for gaming. i paired it with rx 6800xt and i hope it is best combo for future proofing
Reports indicate that the ECO mode has to be something to test against when doing mult-core work - some of the reports of the possible power saving for the 7950X vs the reduction in performance look very good.
Well that's true, on both 7950X and 7900X simply going from stock (170W TDP/230W PPT) to ECO 105 mode (105/142) only incurs a ~6% drop in productivity performance and no drop in gaming performance. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. You can also use undervolting, curve optimizer, PBO offsets and temperature to get similar or even *better* results than stock WHILE USING LESS POWER/LOWER TEMPS too.
The amount of tweaking you can do on Ryzen 7000 is insane!
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Thanks for putting the old 2700X to the test as well.
@Jarrod'sTech how did u manage to get so many frames in Warzone on 7 3700x? I had that CPU when I bough 6900xt and my frames just stopped at 130 (AVG) and 70 (1%LOW). The 3700x bottlenecked my new GPU so I decided to buy 5000 series to gain performance. Even with lowest settings it was impossible for me to get 200FPS on 1440p not mentioning 240FPS on 1080p.
Division 2 needs to be in the benchmarks as it is a very demanding game .
I am going to get the 7700X since I use my PC for web browsing and watching streaming content! 😊