Why Tales of Symphonia AI is horrible.

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  • čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
  • Symphonia NPC AI is horrible!! This video will show you why
    They are in CPUs and I will post a link of the original video below.
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Komentáře • 78

  • @banditimaclubyou8388
    @banditimaclubyou8388 Před 2 lety +176

    Obviously raine wanted to research the weird light

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před 2 lety +31

      I mean....Kratos is as old as ruins I guess....

    • @gabbermac467
      @gabbermac467 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Brixgale You Gotta Do what you Gotta Do

    • @lilshokan
      @lilshokan Před rokem +11

      Raine:what is this ominous light that threatens to engulf us

    • @Foxhound3857
      @Foxhound3857 Před rokem +4

      @@Brixgale Kratos doesn't look half bad for pushing 4,000.

    • @acetales148
      @acetales148 Před rokem

      ​​@@Foxhound3857 GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGILF

  • @Foxhound3857
    @Foxhound3857 Před rokem +27

    Raine: "Let's begin the research."

  • @pmuuhzedcisycdan
    @pmuuhzedcisycdan Před 2 lety +60

    Raine had no reason to do that and STILL FUCKING DID

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před 2 lety +11

      Yep. I am also pretty sure I have her strats set to stay away as well.

    • @Melodie_Info3
      @Melodie_Info3 Před rokem

      No she was about to attack him with just the stick.

  • @sparky111000
    @sparky111000 Před 2 lety +109

    I never understood why the mages AI makes them run closer to the enemies. Their L-range for a reason 😅

    • @aeroga2383
      @aeroga2383 Před 2 lety +48

      I just started playing this. I set my mage AI to long range yet they still insist on trying to throw hands smh

    • @sparky111000
      @sparky111000 Před 2 lety +8

      @@aeroga2383 Yup. They terrible 😂

    • @snailthelostcow63
      @snailthelostcow63 Před rokem +5

      @@aeroga2383 usually happens when the enemies are near them or they ran out of TP
      The AI kinda doesn’t understand the concept of repositioning

    • @Midnastar
      @Midnastar Před rokem +8

      I think what happens is that because the positioning for front and back line is on one axis, in this instance Llyod running away shifted the back line to the right making Raine's AI dash over there. The fight with the dragon in the platform is especially bad for this because back line stands in the middle were the tremor damage is. 😂

    • @shantakidd6230
      @shantakidd6230 Před rokem

      @@aeroga2383 Sometimes I put them on the setting that only allows them to use skills and magic. No regular attacks.

  • @Espartanica
    @Espartanica Před rokem +30

    Not to mention the fact they always pause and just kinda sit there and think between attacks, and run back and forth at random.

  • @wallaceabraskulaif1328
    @wallaceabraskulaif1328 Před rokem +34

    The only way to stop this is to set Raine to "hold position", which will make her stay where she is and do nothing. The drawback is that you will have to order her to heal manually with shortcuts.

    • @ZelosSama
      @ZelosSama Před rokem +10

      Better yet order her to kn the L-range magic position. , not perfect but she wont run that close usually and still casts by herself

  • @WanderSeth
    @WanderSeth Před 2 lety +34

    This right here is why I always, always played as Raine in Symphonia.

    • @harmhoeks5996
      @harmhoeks5996 Před rokem +4

      Huh? How?
      Only healing?

    • @matthewserra7435
      @matthewserra7435 Před rokem +10

      @@harmhoeks5996 I guess so.
      I mean... its possible. I beat the Final Boss as Raine. Heals + Buffs. It work but ... its fucking boring. 🤣

    • @harmhoeks5996
      @harmhoeks5996 Před rokem +5

      "REVITALIZE"

    • @matthewserra7435
      @matthewserra7435 Před rokem +3

      @@harmhoeks5996 Nice Heal Spell but i like "Holy Lance" more.

    • @XaneTenshi
      @XaneTenshi Před 8 měsíci +1

      Raine: Photon Photon Photon Photon Photon Ray Photon Ray Photon Photon Photon Ray Ray Ray Ray Ray Ray
      SACRED LIGHT!!!!

  • @RetroNerdyGamer
    @RetroNerdyGamer Před rokem +9

    I was like what the hell is so bad about the AI-
    [Raine runs right into the mystic arte]
    Oh. Oh there it is.

  • @aiis6821
    @aiis6821 Před rokem +19

    Imma be setting Raine to etay L.Range but she still does this..
    This game aint even hard half of the damn challenge comes from trying not to make the AI kill themselves

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před rokem +7

      yeah. Later on, I decided to just set a tech shortcut to Raine's aoe heal, move her as far from the boss, then switch back to Lloyd and continue to spam her aoe heal. So she is always casting and not moving. I don't care if we are full health, she is just going to keep casting healing lol

  • @jony839
    @jony839 Před 2 lety +15

    If the ai isnt visible on the screen, they will move forward to be seen on the screen after casting an arte, even if they are set to hold position. braindead design and why some mania fights are easier to just solo

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před 2 lety

      I did not know that is how it worked but makes sense now why this happened. Still stupid sadly lmao xD

  • @keelezeibel1588
    @keelezeibel1588 Před 2 lety +15

    At first i was like "Hmm'kay Kratos used Shining Bind for nothing" and then Sheena Raine ran towards him 💀💀.
    For real tho, the AI in Symphonia is not at fault IMO, it's just that the formation system is not very well done, and thus whenever the player (you) uses a front liner (like Lloyd), the backline AI allies follow him to recover the formation.
    This problem was perfectly avoided in Phantasia X (and never again) with the strategy command "STAY" = allies memorize their position when you press [L] + [Down] in combat and stop following the player's placement.

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před 2 lety +1

      Tales of Symphonia had strategies can set for AI characters. I am pretty sure I had Raine set as long range in her strats and yet she constantly goes up to enemies like this. I eventually started just spamming heals just to stop her from moving even if I was fully healed.

  • @quickepicfrizz2152
    @quickepicfrizz2152 Před 6 lety +46

    I'd say this isn't the AI's fault. But the games fault for not stopping AI control during mystic artes. But allow you to move before the mystic arte actually initiates. Lucky abyss came out and fixed this.

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před 6 lety +22

      I don't blame Sheena's AI. She is set to attack so kind of expected. But Raine's AI. oh boy

    • @LaCazaLP
      @LaCazaLP Před rokem

      I never liked that that the game took away your controlle when a Mystic Art triggers. It always forced me to use Arts like Tempest to bait the Mystic Arts out of my opponents.

  • @Lats-li3mt
    @Lats-li3mt Před rokem +6

    Only when out of TP makes the mages run closer to enemies.... that being said, why in the actual hell we see Genis and Raine always with TP enough to cast some useful spells and run full speed against a One shot ability

    • @freefall742
      @freefall742 Před rokem

      they also run closer after being told to use an arte. i believe this is to make setting up combos easier for characters with level 1-3 tech, but for casters it just puts them in harm's way.

  • @shinokishi5993
    @shinokishi5993 Před rokem +4

    Since you playin hard or mania mod (Kratos doesn’t use mystic arte in normal) you should use strategy to counter this, when a mystic arte is launched change the strategy for one where everyone just stop moving

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před rokem +1

      I am probably playing on Hard. Don't remember if Mania is unlocked by default. This was years ago. That is honestly a smart thing to do, but just sucks having to go into the menu just to set that then setting it back right after the mystic arte finishes.

  • @megamojo1041
    @megamojo1041 Před rokem +1

    They run like moths to fire towards those lol
    I lost count of how many times they keep running into Indignation and Absolute -.-

  • @nightmarishcompositions4536

    The AI has really come a long way in more recent Tales games.

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před rokem +3

      Agreed. Though they avoided this specific issue by making enemies Mystic Arte just hit the whole arena or single target guaranteed depending on the boss in my opinion lol

    • @LaCazaLP
      @LaCazaLP Před rokem +2

      @@Brixgale and its the worst.

  • @manikaditha6308
    @manikaditha6308 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Oh yes they are!
    For whatever reason, even if you limit them to use only heal and long range skills, they still wanna trying to hit the enemy with melee even though their tp is still sufficient.
    I eventually just get used to it and try to argo the boss alone

  • @DanteCrowlley
    @DanteCrowlley Před rokem +1

    I'm basically playing on auto so far, but it gets me every time they just walk into AOE damage

  • @user-ko3qu6ew8b
    @user-ko3qu6ew8b Před 10 měsíci +1

    リフィルはなんで秘奥義中のクラトスに近づいたの?w

  • @lucretiakillingsworth
    @lucretiakillingsworth Před rokem +2

    You just need to set the strategy for each member better than you have it. Are they all on Move Freely?

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před rokem

      I am sure I set Raine as Reduce, Support, and L-range magic, so no reason for her to move in closely. This is a long time ago so can't really remember for sure. Sheena I can understand getting hit since she is set as melee, but Raine has no reason to walk that far towards Kratos when set as L-range at least.

  • @minlow7831
    @minlow7831 Před 3 měsíci +1

    This is why Tales games are better played with friends

  • @Rutawind
    @Rutawind Před rokem +1

    Raine said lemme get somma dat

  • @stane.1573
    @stane.1573 Před 9 měsíci

    its not only the ai its also other character then lloyd they are made so clunky and slow and yes never understand the ai they need some time then run to enemy and then they run away and stay a while

  • @LaCazaLP
    @LaCazaLP Před rokem +1

    Everybody trying to defend the AI hasnt played on Mania and didnt do Niflheim nor Abyssion.
    Hell most of the game is easier Solo or with just 1 Friend backing you up.
    i LOVE ToS but people face it. The AI is utter trash.

  • @AshParth560
    @AshParth560 Před 8 měsíci

    Dammit, Raine, you're a mage, why!? 😂

  • @mrnobody2683
    @mrnobody2683 Před 6 měsíci

    To be honest i felt in most regards it was TOO GOOD

  • @Clavitz1
    @Clavitz1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This crap happens in games nowadays. It's embarrassing.
    2 examples. Aerith in FFVII R and Prompto in FF XV (aerith is a special case too because for some retarded reason she moves forward when she attacks -_-. like devs, do you even play the games you make?!)
    every game with AI allies need AI customization so you can force a character to NEVER be in melee range

  • @alexking894
    @alexking894 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I Wish We put them in garrys Mod to be NPC on Next bots AI Just like Hulk and SpongeBob and Others and TF2 Bots and I was Dreaming about it, If they dies the players will Revive the Bots with Life Bottle, and here we go it Called Tales of symphonia Nextbots Snpc

  • @normalguycap
    @normalguycap Před 3 měsíci

    This is why I hate action RPGs because my ally ai always runs straight at attacks. Rogue galaxy was bad too. The only one that didn't was star ocean.

  • @DewMan31
    @DewMan31 Před rokem

    This is why I want to play with a full party of players.

  • @wolf-marks9353
    @wolf-marks9353 Před 6 měsíci

    I love this game so much

  • @jostomrod
    @jostomrod Před rokem

    Well, I guess "Raine" rhymes with "Brain Damage". 😮‍💨🙎🤦

  • @ETannerity
    @ETannerity Před rokem

    Play the remake hav bitch set to long range and magic spam with tp regen equipment and she runs through the enemy dies to get in range to get back out of range on otherside

  • @Melodie_Info3
    @Melodie_Info3 Před rokem +1

    No its not horrible, yOu just didn't command them too.

  • @fkingtdrawings
    @fkingtdrawings Před 2 lety

    you have lots of orders conbinations, try the best :3

  • @rhuanvictor9200
    @rhuanvictor9200 Před 2 lety

    All Tales games have stupid AI.

    • @gerudoqueenriju
      @gerudoqueenriju Před 2 lety +4

      The one in Xillia 1 is great.

    • @c01onel
      @c01onel Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@gerudoqueenrijuXillia 1 and 2 actually had great ai and strategy settings, and you could manipulate them easily mid battle by changing their link behavior

  • @anthonypayne2101
    @anthonypayne2101 Před 4 měsíci

    That's kinda the idea, IMO. The game was designed to be a four player co-op.

  • @MellowFellow269
    @MellowFellow269 Před rokem +2

    Nah, you just have a bad strategy on Raine

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před rokem +3

      then what strategy would you suggest? Pretty sure I had her on Reduce, Support, and L-range magic, none of which should be telling her to go head first close combat.

    • @Melodie_Info3
      @Melodie_Info3 Před rokem

      He didn't even set his strategy super good.

    • @Brixgale
      @Brixgale  Před rokem +4

      @@Melodie_Info3 then offer a suggestion then. I set her as Reduce, Support, and L-range magic. Tell me which of these tells her to go close combat.

    • @Melodie_Info3
      @Melodie_Info3 Před rokem

      @@Brixgale I be back

    • @StormDracoX
      @StormDracoX Před rokem +3

      ​@@Melodie_Info3
      "And they were never heard from again..."

  • @kennethsheppard7874
    @kennethsheppard7874 Před rokem

    the AI in this game are gods compared to State of decay 1 and 2 AI