3 Reasons Why I Enlisted Before Becoming An Officer
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- So what are some of the benefits of enlisting before being an officer? Here I'm just giving you my thoughts on why it was more beneficial for me. With a few reasons why people don't do it.
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Seemed to me like the officers that had cool attitudes were the ones that were enlisted first and the officers that were more stuck up were only officers. I think going enlisted first is the best route. You build a better knowledge as a leader because you know what it was like for those privates and what not.
I agree, as in my industry I send our "officers" into the mire for a month before they sit at the table.
It doesn't matter which way you go. Douches will be douches Plenty of green to gold douches. Just like plenty of squared away academy grads or rotc pukes
Christopher Chaos I guess I will be the exception 😂😂😂😂
I haven’t been in the Military, but that sounds about right. From my experience, a Boss stands in the back and yells at his workers, without knowing what they’re going through. A Leader stands alongside with his men to go above and beyond.
Fun fact: Officers who are Prior enlisted also get paid significantly more than folks w/ same rank w/ no enlisted experience
So you can be an effective leader and actually know what the enlisted went through and connect with them better. That's what I would do anyway.
The best kind of officers imo
Same bro that’s wat I’m doing
Your troops will respect you more, i played a joke on an old LT, turned out he was an e6 before. Needless to say, he wasn’t getting me any chem light batteries. Lol
Enlisted are a bit wary about grass to brass type officers as they cannot BS them
My current plan is to enlist in the Reserves beforehand and then go to college. Hope it works out!
In terms of reserve or national guard, some states offer huge college benefits if you are in the guard. My tuition is completely payed off because my state offers 100% payed tuition.
what state do you live in
patience anyaso illinois
Same, but I live in Oregon
Mine does too its awesome
It’s like that in Texas.
Awesome video! I’ve been giving it my all to ready myself for the military, and this is exactly what I needed to hear.
A year ago from today I was over 400 lbs, I’ve made a complete change and commitment to better myself. After losing 220lbs I’m currently sitting at 190-195lbs. Everyday is another step closer to reaching my goal, and the fitness level that is required of me to enlist.
Thank you so much for making videos like this. As I continue to chase this dream of joining the Military and becoming an Officer, videos like this give me a great sense of hope.
Leaving for basic in less then ten hours just want to say thanks for the videos they help a lot
How it go
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM WORKING ON RIGHT NOW! this is a good video bro.
I am as well! Shipping Feb 8th. 11B
I like that you covered both perspectives to the topic that could be informative to both those who are still surviving active duty or NG or Reserve and those who are thinking about joining so every one can think about Decisions on where they want to go in the future.
This is what I’m doing. I’m about to be a junior, gonna skip one semester and do basic and AIT and then come back to do ROTC in the spring. It seemed the best route of the ones i looked at.
You're going NG or Reserves, right? If you're going Active this won't work. If this sounds obvious, a lot of people are oblivious to the fact that you surrender 90% of control of the day-to-day details of your life when you go active. Good move on going ROTC instead of OCS. The packet wait time for OCS is rough, and the course itself is difficult and highly grating and unnecessary for people who've been in the actual Army.
Slavoj Zizzek I’ll be going NG. I’m a student at Oklahoma State and they said doing basic and ait right before junior year is a really good idea. Because I’ll be an e3 going in and caught up on the classes required for ROTC.
Slavoj Zizzek really I was going to enlist. Two right now and do green to gold or maybe find AGR which is really hard I was looking to do OCS but I really like ROTC fundamentals.
Thanks for providing these vids Matt, they are truly very helpful👍🏼
I did two years of community college then three years active enlisted in the Marine Corps before transferring to the reserves and finishing school. My inspiration to become an officer was my first company commander, Cpt. Merritt, C co, 3rd Amtrac Bn. The nearest thing was going back to 3rd tracs and seeing some of the guys I had served with. SSgt Chaves was now Gunny Chaves, Sgt Woods was now SSgt Woods and 1st Sgt Corrales was now SgtMaj Corrales!
I love the quality of these videos, and their content.
This is literally the same thing I am currently doing. Also nice video Matt!
I feel good about enlisting my junior year of hs and doing basic training.
I love your vids man cause it helps me with alot of questions I have
Bro! That’s crazy I’m in a similar situation as you. I have done 4 years(3 years at community college) of college I’m 21 and just enlisted in the reserves. I also tell my loved ones and friends how much I regret not joining after high school. When I come back from OSUT in October I’ll look into transferring to an ROTC university hopefully it’s possible but it’ll be hard considering I’m 3 semesters away from graduating😢
You could pursue a Masters and still take ROTV during that time. Probably get education delay on leaving for BOLC
Haven't watch ur vids and now it feels good to watch
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Because when you learn to be a grunt, you can lead them. FACT. One day I will commission I think
Did you ever commission?
Update?
For the Guard, some states have programs that pay 100% tuition through a master's degree like Florida, I don't know what other states do that but I know there are multiple.(and keep the GI Bill as cash)
Thank you for this video. I enlisted last month into the Army Reserves. I'm going in as an E-4 and my MOS is 46Q . I would like to eventually become an officer. I love your videos! I should've have done this much sooner. That's my only regret.
I am planning to enlist into the National Guard in the split option for my high school and enroll in ROTC later in college, thanks for sharing your perspective!
Okay this actually makes me feel so much better because I completed 4 1/2 years of college just graduated last sunday and Im about to go to MEPS next week most likely and then enlist but omg im so relieved that Im not the only one in this situation!!
good to know!! thanks!
Man of Action you mind explaining building the OCS packet? Is it difficult as a regular college graduate without prior service? I’m getting ready to graduate and have been researching OCS to learn how the process is supposed to go
Hey Matt!! Thank you for this video!!! I enlisted in the Army in April pending medical! I want to do 68W. I had this huge internal debate of what I would like to do.
Merry Christmas Matt and family
My plan is to go Active duty, get my degree while serving and then when my 5 year contract is done is to try to be an officer! P.S. I ship out in three weeks! Im so excited!! Your videos have helped ease my mind about basic! keep it up!
Thanks for the info, I think I'm going to go ROTC after AIT too
Joined the guard and now do the rotc program at Boise. One of the best decisions of my life.. schools basically almost fully covered. Plus you get the best of both worlds, get to party hard and be in the service.
This is what I am gonna do. Joining the army national guard now and will go through ROTC after and then go active duty.
I will have 7 years time in service before I graduate and become an officer because I have a 5 year degree and I am joining Junior year summer and will have a gap year for basic and AIT.
I enjoy your videos!
This sounds very similar to what I plan on doing. After I get my OSSD I'm going to join the CAF Reserves as an armoured soldier while attending uni to make myself more competitive for ROTP. I really screwed the pooch on extra curricular activities.
Im currently contracted in ROTC. I wish I would have joined either the reserve or national guard, like Matt did. The financial benefits of being in the reserve or national guard will help you a shit ton. Plus the knowledge you get from basic will one up other cadets that are new to the program.
I only have one year of college, so I have to wait one more year before I can join ROTC. That's why I enlisted first in the reserves, to get that experience.
I enlisted in the Guard this year as a High School Junior knowing that when I go to college I would do ROTC and become an officer. All yo videos help clarify everything. Thanks Matt
Kilroy so I’m a senior in high school, I could enlist and go straight to college and do ROTC at the same time after I graduate right? I guess im just confused on if I’m actually enlisted if I’m doing ROTC. Like going through the whole process with MEPS and everything
I am about to graduate college and then going to enlist in the Marine corp.
It wouldn't feel right to just step in as an officer and I think I would feel like an imposter.
ImperialWarhawk123ABC no don’t do that especially in the marines, go ahead and commission you’ll thank me later
Bad idea. If you have a degree, go to OCS. I was enlisted then commissioned. Any benefits to prior enlisted service soon disappear.
@@jimgood1949 im thinking of doing elisting then commissioning, wym you lose any benefits?
@@jesuspavon6372 Not formal benefits like pay and allowances, but the intangible benefit of having experience to prepare for the entry level lieutenant’s job. The experience and training as an enlisted soldier help you understand your troops’ jobs and living conditions which might make you empathize with them more, but that really isn’t something that requires a few years of enlisted service. OCS and initial officer courses should give you a quite adequate preparation for your duties, and after the first year or two as an officer, the things you learned while enlisted are irrelevant. That is the benefit that I was referring to.
The challenge with the decision to enlist before signing up for a commission was a matter of perspective in the enlisted vs. commission route. Several years ago, I would've enlisted to ensure that I would have a good grasp on a team of people to allow them to function and follow suit to function as a team. Now that I've gotten older, I've committed to the decision to commission as I understand the implications of enlisting and the decisions that many perform while in. My ability to choose to perform managerial functions through maturity and understand the decisions that enlisted make throughout their careers had to be thought through to better understand the core concepts and behaviors of those who decide to better understand motivations. It was a worthy investment to consider now that I'm going in as an officer.
Love the vids I want to be an officer in the army
Best officer I have had was a enlisted who went green to gold. We had a long week of 14 hr days. By Friday we were told we had a light day on Saturday of 10 hrs. My xo showed up at the barracks and told us it was bullshit no other officers were their with him and they had the day off. Xo told us to just hang out in the barracks and do what we wanted but we had to keep it quiet. XO stayed at the CQ desk to make sure no one walked up. The last hour of our detail Top showed up. XO rang upstairs and we all grabbed brooms and mops. Top walked around and told us we did a good job and to take Monday off lol
I’m going to benning in 2 weeks, then going straight to college. I’m a senior in high school rn and I’m going to AIT next summer
Did your performance in basic and as an enlisted soldier in your unit effect your oml score at all? Are there things that an smp cadet can do to give themselves a boost in their scores that normal cadets couldn't? Being pg, letters of rec from their unit, etc. Oh, and thanks for the videos, I'm essentially on the same route you took so it's nice to see an example!
That’s my plan. I started going to college in highschool. Got one more year till I graduate but I want to be active duty not reserves.
I'm enlisted in the guard and probably thinking of doing rotc after ait. I went to basic my junior year of highschool during summer.
Great video!! Can you do a video on O1E Pay and now it works when going GREEN TO GOLD.
I just enlisted in my junior year of high school in the national guard I’m about to go to basic for the split option.. and I’m going to college after and doing rotc so by the time I finish college I’ll have about 5 years time in service 💪 I’ll finish high school with 1 year
I’m currently getting ready to join the army reserves then to ROTC!!
Matt can you make a video about pull ups/chin ups? Your routine, some tips etc
Probably for a Sunday video one time yepp
I'm working on getting on the Chaplain Candidate Program and I found being enlisted really has helped me out.
I'm going to do enlisted 4 years after high school ( 4 years NJROTC) than do college and go back in as a commissioned officer. Likely to be a Ranger by then. Now I will definitely do reserves while in college.
focus on graduating HS high speed
Hey Matt! Thanks for the video! Had so much information I needed to hear. I have a couple questions if you don’t mind me asking here. 1. I’m finishing with my ADN (nursing) next week. Should I enlist now (RESERVE IS WHAT IM AFTER), come back home to work as a nurse while doing my BSN (bachelors), then commission to officer, or just wait til I have my BSN? 2. If now, what job should I get in medical side that’s going to be best for me as a nurse( even tho I need a BSN, I wanna stay in he medical side)? 4. Would I be enlisting as an e3 since I’ll have an associates degree? What is the difference in e1 and e3? Some info about me that might help: 27yo, single mom of two kids, with interest of joining reserve for now. Maybe go active later but not sure yet. Kinda wanna get a feel of the army life first. Thanks in advance! I know it’s alot but I’m hoping you or someone else can help with some feedback! Haha..
Hey! I know this is a whole year later, but I wanted to know if you went through with the reserves and what your experience was? Thank you.
Just do ROTC, if you go reserves you have the chance of getting pulled interrupting your studies, and wasting time. No need to enlist period (former enlisted active duty)
Apparently the Army does these calculations differently. If this were the Navy, then yes the Time-in-Service(TIS) would count - for the pay scale. As in, "O-1 over 2 years etc". However, the Active Duty Service Date (Or Active Duty Base Date) is the one used for calculating 20-year retirement. Actual days of active duty as a reservist would count: so your ~8 months for BCT and AIT, plus drill weekends. Different services may run their personnel accounts a bit differently, of course.
CDR RachelY Drill days don’t count toward an active duty retirement, just extended periods of active duty for training, or deployment.
Do active for at least 3 years or your one contract, do some school while in, get out use GI BILL, become an officer with that degree.
I'm an old person, and a doctoral level therapist for over half-a-century. I have 2 undergrads. Still.....I nearly always encouraged younger people to join the military. Free undergrad college and an actual retirement plan. Even 45 years ago, there was still talk of whether social security would even be around when I retired. And I worked summer jobs to do my undergrad without student loans. But it was a hard slog and my GPA was not awesome as a result of working full time during the school year.
The military, as many of my friends and younger brother's friends did seemed like a no-brainer. That said, back then, the odds you were going to be sent to war were low. Today, its nearly a guarantee IF your MOS is a combat one. So, there are reasons now to not choose the military or at least ones that might see direction action.
That said, I still think, particularly if you are very young, to consider the military. I saw the military do some very good maturing to those I knew who did it. I would have also benefited from that muturing, though I knew enough about myself that I knew that the military would not be a good fit for me. But for arguably most others, but certainly for some, it can still be a - very - good thing, especially if you don't know what you "want to be when you grow up."
I will say one more thing. Special forces. If you intend to always be fighting and/or if you retire from the military, you are planning on going into contracting, by all means. But my best friend was a Ranger and the military intel person in his unit. It was very sexy and he got to do some amazing training and even some amazing real life missions (remember it was 40 years ago or so). That said, when he got out, he had a wife and 2 kids to support and he ended up driving a cab for several years. He re-enlisted in a much more civilian-viable MOS and today he is making 6-figures. But when he got out of the military as a Ranger, he was screwed. Yeah, he did some cool, high speed stuff. But his resume, back then anyway, got his application tossed into the round file when you would think it was the exact opposite. Huge bummer and I didn't agree with it obviously as my friend is one of the smartest, most capable people I have ever known. (He is also one of the best men and husbands I have ever known, along with my brother). However, that was the reality back then. Today, I don't think that's the case. Businesses generally have more knowledge of what it takes to be special forces and realize that in most cases, that's a quality hire.
Matt's channel has some exceptional advice, from someone who has been there. If you're considering the military, watch all his videos, that's all I'm saying.
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Hey Matt! I am a big fan of your CZcams and I have a question regarding Basic Training Family Day/Graduation. Is there a limit as to how many people can go? Thanks
It's important to note that you are talking about RESERVE retirement, which is far different than ACTIVE retirement.
Yes and no. If you do that time and prior in the reserves and then decide to do 20 active thats 24 years in the military which would be still more than just a normal 20 year retirement
True, but a lot of people think that ROTC counts as ACTIVE service time.
ROTC doesn't count towards TIS unfortunately
Absolutely, most of this really only applies to people wanting to make a career of the Reserves or National Guard.
Hey Matt can you make a video talking about the tattoo policy in the Army!!
That’s what I done I enlisted 4 years active duty before college and when I was discharged I enrolled in college and enrolled in ROTC and got commissioned.
Nice im doing split op then enrolling to an rotc program
Forgive me if you already answred this, but in basic dose the DI know what MOS you signed up for and do they treat recruts diffrently based on that? Just wondering, love the channel
I didn't know Matt Ward was the third member of OutKast.
Could you possibly, at some point, talk about the difference between the National Guard and the Army?
That's a great idea one week a month and two weeks a year.
That’s what I’m doing. Go to basic June 18
When I joined the Navy I never thought about being an officer. I came in with an associates degree and after my first 8 months or so some officers took me under their wings and showed me how things are in their world. Soon enough they convinced me to go that route
Have you progressed?
Make a army ranks vid if u haven't already
This video hit the nail on the head for me. You explained, essentially word for word of what I have planned. I do have a bit of a snag. Would you recommend deploying as enlisted prior to commissioning as an officer?
No. For me I think that experience being enlisted that will help you as an officer does not require being deployed and getting that experience
Matt Ward Thank you for your answer!
Thanks for the video sir. I'm looking at going back to college/rotc in 2022.
8 years as a combat medic reserved. I want to go back in but I want to be trauma surgical. Any tips?
Did you commission a few weeks ago from UNCC? Your picture on the right has the UNCC Uptown building in your backdrop.
Doin reserves CA and 2nd semester, Hooah!
If you’re reserves+rotc and locked into being an officer, do you go to advanced camp or basic camp first?
I just finished college and if I had to do it over again I would’ve joined the military after high school. I see college as a waste of time unless you’re pursuing engineering or graduate school. Also the cost of college goes up but the value of a degree doesn’t. It would be nice to see the federal government getting out of the student loan business with public universities, that’ll probably force colleges to get rid of useless programs and other forms of wasteful spending.
I’m enlisting as an E1 for the army national guard. Gonna do split training so I’ll do basic the summer before college starts and AIT later. So is it a good idea to do basic first, then start ROTC, then do AIT after my first year of college?
Regular Officers (who did not enlist) do look down upon the younger mustangs (
Hey matt, I’m enlisted 11b I’m National Guard. I ship August and I’m going to college in the spring. I’m just curious how can I give myself the best chance of going active and how many points are usually needed to commission active.
Having a high GPA is huge. So 300APFT score and 3.5+ GPA. There isn't a set amounts of points you need so the best thing for you to do is just focus on building yourself as an officer and perform well at Advanced Camp.
Respect.
So after you have been an officer for a while, do you have any officer friends? I was part of a electronics maintenance squadron (4 officers and 200 enlisted) at small state side Air Force base. Once I got quarters allowance and moved off base (they closed the BOQ) wearing the uniform was the most military thing I did. But there was no chance of friendship or camaraderie. All of the enlisted and the CO were out of bounds. If the two other officers whom I didn't usually see during the day were married they would not even go to the O club for lunch.
Hi, Matt; How do I start from the beginning, talk to my recruiters first and they will also set me up for the ROTC.
Your situation is literally mine .I’m in reserves and I Just graduated and I’m prior enlisted with a bachelors. About to get my masters and join ROTC. Do you get prior enlisted pay (O2E) on the reserve side and active side?
Im currently doing this
I already sworn in and going to the reserve. I plan on going to college after basic training and I'm also a 25b. So whats the best route I can take to becoming a officer because idk if I can just find a college with ROTC and join or if I have to have a special paper or scholarship
I think the #1 reason why Enlisting before becoming an officer is because if you're going for the retirement, you have a 20% chance of not being promoted late in your career and getting kicked out of the military loosing your retirement wasting 15+ years with no reward.
YUUUTTT I’m gonna be a marine idk if I’m gonna be an officer or not but we’ll see OORAH
I really wish there would be the possibility to enlist for just 1 year before becoming an Officer. In my country the minimum time to enlist is 3.5 years which is a bit too much time IMO.
So how would that work with college applications? Did you still apply while you were in high and just start the second semester?
Hey Matt, that kinda sounds like the green to Gold thing that some soldiers that I know of did. Can you explain that with further clarification in another vid. It was only mentioned to me by an active duty recruiter and I'm going ARNG and I've rarely heard about that. Is it like 2 years OCS after becoming an NCO ?
I made a video about the green to gold program and becoming an officer. You should check that out
Do you think doing college (masters degree) during active duty would be easier enlisted compared to doing it being an officer?
My question is Navy but I would think it would apply to all the branches. When considered enlisting but did not the Recruiter said after basic training I could be schooled for Aviation Electrician Mate. Let's say I did enlist and after awhile, I felt hay, I would like to be an officer. As converted to officer would I still have anything to do avec Aviation electricianing?
I am graduating with my masters degree, but I wanted to join the military. Am I better off going in as reserves or active duty? Which would give me better benefits ?
I want to be enlisted first but i took the asvab first and failed I don’t want to take it again and fail
Awesome video! Out of curiosity for those interested in going the OCS path, does the fact that the army requires you to go to the enlisted basic training first make one a mustang by default?
The term Mustang is more of a Navy thing. When I was in the Army, you almost never heard of officers with prior enlisted service being called a Mustang.
No formal requirements for being a Mustang, but it tends to imply that you had several years of enlisted service, not just Basic and OCS.
@@jimgood1949 Thank you for clarifying that for me! But that leads to another question, if the Army doesn't use the therm mustang, then do they have another term for those who make the transition to officer?
Michael Arcaro When I was in, people usually just said “prior service,” but even though people noticed that I had been enlisted, it really wasn’t a big deal.
@@jimgood1949 Good to know. Thanks for letting me know!
I have a quick question, I enlisted as a 25B in the National Guard. I plan on going through ROTC once I finish my training and AIT. When I commission as an officer, how does the process of ranking branches work? If I was a competitive candidate, could I possibly go into another specialty?
I am retired Air Force and have fought with them about for two decades as they cut medical and lie, then physically attacked me for complaining. They took my house after I reported abuse. Secret Service attacked me walking out of my hotel room and published an completely fictitious story about me going to attack the White House with the drumsticks. They will abuse you, get you killed in the upcoming war with China.
Where would ocs come into play? blue to green type situation?
So I’m assuming your service req is 3 years because they don’t have 1 year scholarships correct?
I was a prior enlisted but only for 4 months before I was ordered to OCS, so i guess that it doesn't count.
Im planing as soon as I graduate from college to first go into the navy as a recruit (because I’d be a green card holder), then Nationalize after serving one year, then go to OCS and become an officer. What do you think??
Pipe dream.
The navy doesn't have to approve your request to go to OSC, they will tell you to get back to scrubbing decks.
To understand how it feels to be an enlisted soldier ?
I'm a 2nd semester junior, in college, I feel like enlisting in the marine reserves would be a good idea
If you are a junior in college, go to the Marine Corps PLC, then the day you graduate you will be commissioned as an officer.
I'm already enlisted and I'm in highschool but can I still use my state tuition and foster care benefits while in the military? @MattWard
Illinois national guard pays for your school it just has to be a state school.
can i go from enlisted to officer if i’m in the air force? i would like to do security forces and work my way up then go to officer but i wouldn’t mind going army military police