Lost Media in Sonic the Hedgehog
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- Lost Media in Sonic the Hedgehog
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Thumbnail art: sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/
Special thanks to:
@NebuTran for providing footage
@Melpontro for providing footage
@AdamDoree for providing footage
@Mtbcooler for providing footage
@RazorZenon for providing footage
@Mefiresu for posting the OVA soundtrack
Everyone that contributed with suggestions on my posts, thank you!
Dreamcast Conversion by PkR: www.moddb.com/mods/sadx-dream...
Lost Media Wiki: lostmediawiki.com/Home
Sonic Retro: sonicretro.org/
Sonic Wiki Zone: sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_W...
Polygon: polygon.com
Project TGS: • Project TGS - Update v1.1
OVA Recreation: / sonic-ova-ost-reconstr...
Mike Wallis interview: web.archive.org/web/200908040...
Peter Morawiec interview: www.retrolel.com/sonicdatabase...
Yuji Naka interview: info.sonicretro.org/Yuji_Naka...)
Jason Griffith interview: • A Conversation With Ja...
Music: pastebin.com/qKGfmxUr
0:00 - Intro
1:47 - Promo
2:11 - Recovered Media
8:42 - Unrecovered Media
34:52 - Outro & Important Info - Hry
damnn i was quick! sonic's trash tho
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Facts
so real
I kinda agree
The only good sonic content is Archie
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Seeing SA1 gameplay where the checkpoints get skipped entirely is honestly so fucking stressful 💀
While not games, most of the Sonic manga are definitely lost.
I got one interesting bit of Sonic lost media, and that would be the missing complete cut of the Saturday Morning series’ pilot. Originally, the pilot was intended to be a half-hour TV special that would’ve aired on ABC, but for whatever reason, it ended up getting scrapped and the special got recut into a shorted 24 minute episode for the 1st season finale. The original intro animation was entirely different and all that can be found of its existence are bit of concept art, storyboards, animation cells, scripts, and a shoddy VHS recording of the very ending filmed at a game expo in the ‘90s.
Crazy that the Riders PSP port assets show it being called Extreme! Seems to confirm without a doubt that they adapted the concept from the skateboarding pitch from the Heroes CG house.
Great video mate
GBA 😅 but yeah, much like Riders itself it seems they used the skateboarding game as inspiration, it's a neat reference to the canceled game (if the name was on purpose)
@@Cifesk Hahaha sorry I was literally just about to edit that, my mistake!
I know a certain game named sonic eXtreme
One piece of lost Sonic media I find really interesting that's rarely mentioned are the Motorola exclusive Sonic games. There's not a lot of info on them but I find it very fascinating that Sega made a deal with Motorola to make games exclusive to their early phones.
10:58 if I had a nickel for every lost prototype NiGHTS stage involving a spiral, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it’s more money than Sonic BOOM made.
💀💀
What's the second nickel?
@NumberOneRated1997 wow it the real Spamton G Spamton!
@NumberOneRated1997 Do you any tips for investing my Kromer?
@@Hex_Crashmania The original NiGHTS into Dreams for SEGA Saturn had a scrapped final level for Claris, different from the final version where both Claris and Elliot just do the same Twin Seeds. It was titled CLARIS_SPIRAL in the files and is believed to be where you were to fight the lost boss Selph/Self.
10:58 If i remember correctly, collision data was found in the Autodemo. Not usable, but we're able to see the overall shape of the room.
14:50
I don't know why the idea of sonic saying "piss" sounds so funny to me
My favorite technically doesn't count. Sonic x-treme. I absolutely love everything about it, not a single thing with it I dislike. It was the first piece of lost media I remember learning about actually! It looks so fun, I love the music, the level design is so boldly unique. Everything is just amazing.
I'll actually be owning a piece of lost sonic media soon! A plush of my main man knuckles finally resurfaced after years of being lost and I'll be purchasing it!
The Cutting Room Floor and Unseen64 are worth taking a look at as well for lost / scrapped Sonic content.
LMW is good, but I've noticed a lot of found media takes months or years before anyone updates the respective pages (see the cancelled Lego Island sequel that was finally unearthed in 2021 but still marked as "lost").
lost media is one of my favorite topics on youtube, and i’m glad that you’re covering one of my favorite video game series, sonic 🙏 i always enjoy your videos, and i appreciate the hard work you put into them 🫡
Yep same here
17:49 not only that but the early soleanna had real time lighting and more objects casted shadows it just looked graphically better all around and I have no idea why the final games hub was so downgraded lol
Deadlines
@@glowdonk no thats not even an excuse this time...I think
it was already done why didn't they just put it into the game?
My guess is that this version featuring real time lighting was very unstable and Sonic Team may not have had time to optimise it, so instead they just removed the real time lighting
@@ronjobimusic by the way you can see it in the trailers it shows up for a couple seconds if you wanna go see it
@40kkidlock18 considering how unoptimised retail 06 was, I'm pretty sure the graphical fidelity was greatly reduced to make it a bit more playable.
28:11
I think the Mystic Cave thing was only done just to include the level in the mobile version. It was not intended to be how you enter the level.
Yo thanks for keep supporting my fav video game character of all time, keep up the good work for more sonic contents 👍🏻
the saturn era of sonic was soooo good man, i wish it was longer, even if dreamcast games like sa1 or 2 wouldn't exist, we could have gotten a banger rpg or 3d sonic game
I remember tweeting about the lost ova dubs, but apparently the entire cantonese dub was found in october but I didn't know that when I made the tweet. The korean dub has some footage but the arabic dub might not even exist.
Oh shit that's awesome. In a few years we might have all the versions of the OVA recovered 😅
19:20 In the early days of DS emulation when there were just a few dump roms online on some very sketchy websites, I vividly remember trying to download Sonic DS from one but the download link was always broken. With it there was also a single high quality screenshot of the game but I could never get it myself.
I was in my late childhood years by then, so my memory is not exactly trustworthy. But I could swear to god it existed at some point, even if fabricated!
Thanks for the great video!
Another example of lost Sonic media was the unused vocal tracks from 2005's Shadow the Hedgehog:
Broken by Sins of a Divine Mother
All of Me by Sins of a Divine Mother
Who I Am by Magna-Fi
To my understanding, "Who I Am" wasn't actually 'lost'. It was originally produced for the game but Magna-fi asked that it not be used because they wanted to release it on one of their own albums instead, so it ended up there rather than in the game
Some I find interesting are CCXP 2018 trailer for the Sonic movie which seems to have showed an earlier Sonic then the early design we know, the conplete version of the AOSTH pilot, the early SatAM intro, and the early version of Super Sonic Racing shown in some Sonic R trailers
Some sonic lost media that not many people will care about is a large part of the Sonic X Polish Dub past Season 1 (and probably some other dubs). Especially since TMS takes down the entire dub reuploads on youtube.
Same with Hebrew dub
same with the arabic dub of the sonic ova
This is so good. I’m so fascinated by the production process and everything else that goes on behind the scenes in sonic games. Even just random shit in the files is interesting to me. I really hope you continue making these types of Sonic videos, because I really do look forward to these.
I would be hella interested in another in-depth look into Sonic 06 someday too. I loved your other video and am very curious if there is more to it. Even if just random oddities with the game honestly, weird glitches and such.
-As a note on oddities - a couple extremely minor things I haven’t seen mentioned for 06 is in Dusty Desert, in the far right corner of the room with sand waves, the lighting for the whole room goes bright green. But only in one spot, if you move away a couple steps it’s back to normal. In another area you can walk on the wall as if it was the floor all the way to the ceiling. And in (multiplayer mode at least) Crisis City, there’s a building you can glitch around with the purple gem that has a whole side of it blank and untextured. They’re stupidly small errors in the grand scheme but I remember being excited to find those myself as a kid, and if you could ever find a use for that I could probably get footage of them.
Dunno if you’ll read this but either way, I love your videos because they scratch an itch in my brain that’s just super intrigued by random game quirks. Thank you for putting so much effort into these videos :)
26:20
I hope sega finds it one day.
I’ve been waiting for this video since you mentioned it in the community post, I don’t have time right now to watch it, but I’ll definitely be sure to later when I do!
3:07 I can confirm Bare Knuckle Grind was totally released. The game came on cd roms sold with Tec Deck figures at Dollar General
just got introduced to your channel, and your videos are so so good!! love to see sonic explored more, especially with regard to topics like lost media :) keep up the great work!!
tysm!
Sonic Rivals be like: oh yes, lets take this shot of a dying Maria and make a card out of it lmao
i saw so many videos about this topic. cant wait to watch yet another.
you’re so underappreciated on here - your videos are excellent!!!
Damn. That TGS demo really makes me think that maybe... just maybe.. it was supposed to be Sonic Adventure 3.
love the way you edited the thumbnail, it’s so cool
Still crazy to me that a bunch of your videos have a lot of less views then others lost sonic media that may have misinformation or just not the entire package
Your videos and the amount of work and research you do in each one of them is amazing, keep going strong!
Another amazing video, as always! Great work Cif!
Thank you 🙏
People who call games like 06 and Boom the worst games of all time clearly never played old-school shovelware games. Especially NES ones, those were atrocious
20:02 I belive this cshot was first used in the saturn version of 3d blast's special stages.
Man, there's something about lost media/prototype stuff that tickls me
The Archie comics legal department sure are bunch of clowns. It's sad we've lost pre-genesis wave continuity do to Penders' lawsuit but it's also a karmic justice for Archie who mistreated their creators for decades. Serves them right. Penders is a strange kinda creepy dude but damn, what a legend in legal space.
I wonder if the sonic 1 flip phone port is somewhat rare, i used to play that thing a lot on a phone my mother brought from Europe
Very nice! Still lots of sonic media to uncover then. One honourable mention would go to the English localisations of the Segasonic arcade games, particularly Segasonic the Hedgehog 1993. I think someone might have found a dump for this.
Maria 360 noscope montage.
I'd love for the scrapped concepts to be used for a full classic sonic game (I'm aware some have like in mania & supersters).I'd also love that full maria death animation lol. he full ova ost is really nice & incredibly nostalgic. I wish we'd get another thing like it. I've known most of this stuff for years but it's great to have the bulk in 1 concise place anyone can C. If u don't have other ideas for a time u could add extra parts to this & make it a mini series lol
30:21
The sprites are similar to sonic spinball and sally also shows up in sonic spinball.
dude why do you not have more subscribers ?!!?!!!?!?!?1/1/?!?!?!/1/1/1?
Your videos are so high quality, and you deserve a lot more attention for the hard work and soul you're putting into these videos of yours !! :O
I love these types of videos!!!
Thanks for this video man 🎉❤
Something I don't think anyone mentioned here was that Sonic DS' gameplay was brought over to another game at some point, that game being Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games for the DS with the Meter Dash/Dream Race subgames
Bro I swear you literally have the best thumbnails on the platform
Tysm :)
My favourite bit of media that I wanna see is the early Sonic SatAM intro.
All we have right now is an animatic, about 10 seconds of a camera recording a TV playback of the intro, and a direct picture feed from a commercial break.
I do know an interpos film copy of this intro print does exist, but it's in beyond workable conditions and has badly deteriorated over the years. But if we can at least get some of that film recovered, then not all hope is lost.
9:49 thats actually fing crazy WHAT
"A wildcat named Tiara..."
YOU KNOW HER FULL NAME, SAY IT
Another great video!
Good video,I'm subbed now
29:55 also, an addition, there’s a leaked image of r2’s boss and 2 enemies :D
9:53 is false, these where NOT designed for SA1 not have any relation to its development, i belive these where by one of the members of Sonic team, his spider girl character was given a render and added as an easter egg.
18:24 HE WAS IN MPGIS???? WHAT?????😭😭😭
The lost media of ugly sonics early footage before the trailer which was shown at an event would be cool to see
Another Cifesk banger
I have some lost media for Sonic Adventure 2 that is almost nowhere on the internet. If there is anywhere I can reach out to you let me know!
Twitter is always the go to :)
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26:00 They were buildings :)
27:38 It was taken from enemy sprite for the zone
Wonder if we ever will get a Silver game? He's a pretty popular character within the fanbase, but isn't that well known outside of it unlike Shadow, who got his own game and will get his own Generations story in a few months. Silver's character isn't explored that deeply- all we really know about his past is the bit of info we got in 06, which was _18 years ago._
IDW is bringing him back into the spotlight, but it's more like the light hit him when he stood next to the Diamond Cutters, who objectively get more spotlight in the comic's storyline than he is. I think the last time we got an exploration of his character excluding his past was 2022 with the IDW annual, where he vented his fears and stress to Espio. Personally I think the only reason he was able to save the world from the Metal Virus with Sonic by going super was just because Shadow had already been infected, so the writers couldn't use him instead.
Silver is a very deep character, but Sega is refusing to explore it. I hope he gets a game, or at least some story more focused on him. More backstory, more exploration of his character. Somehow we're getting essentially Shadow the Hedgehog 2 BEFORE a Silver game. I love Shadow too, but there's so much untapped potential with Silver that Sega could be using.
your such an underrated youtuber
Your telling me that sonic cafe actually had a chao app back in the day
Subscribed!
You should of covered the lost prototype version of super sonic racing.
10:03 The picture in the top right kinda reminds me of the Galaxian Boss and idk why
The thumbnail looks great!
Microphone quality, music, sound levels, and editing all pretty good.
Also there's not a lot of linger between words or sentences so it flows nicely.
Keep up the great work!
1:37 atarraxa Cifesk 😣😖😖
What’s the song in the intro?
11:00
I’ve NEVER heard Casinopolis pronounced like that 🤯
Do we have another Hydrocity situation?
34:39
Wow, treat Sonic as an object will ya? /j
18:24 WAIT WHAT HE'S SILVER AND FUCKING TANNER FROM MPGIS?!
Arabic dubbing sounds interesting 33:34
My Xbox copy of Sadow the Hedgehog always crashes. sometimes it does not crash. Nomrally that would not be much of an issue Id just play trough the game hoping it wont crash again but since there are unskipeable cutscenes, I do not have the will power to play trough it sadly. Im watching these cutscenes over and over and over again I cannot handle it no more. Really sad.
As for the video, yea I liked itsssSSS
25:33 sigma ‼️‼️
16:19 I think you're exaggerating here. Sure it's bad, I don't think people thought it was Superman 64 or Atari E.T levels of bad.
Nope, it was great
I hear there was a sonic unleashed mobile version released and it played like the DS versions
yo what was that music in the intro?????
It's in the description
13:38
That looks a lot like western Sonic.
Sonic frontiers is the biggest one with lost media (or beta)
I've been a fan of Sonic for practically my whole life. I have a weird thing for this funny spiny boi. Yeah he's had a lot of troubles, but over the years he's also had a lot of good stuff.
does ur friends store ship to other countries? ur y2kish shirt designs go extremely hard
wait what the ova had an arabic dub?????
I have a lot of lost media i created from CZcams 1.0... no one will care tho... The Legend of the Giberish Elf... I'm in the depths of the youtube lost media iceberg. hahaha
0:00 what’s that song
It's in the description
25:32 sigma..
I care a lot about the Archie comics and you kinda messed up !
Ken Penders left on his own and didn't get fired.
He left cuz sega wanted him to adapt the shadow game but didn't tell him anything about the story, so he had to come up with something at the last minute.
It was still a fun story tho
2:16
I’m so confused, why do they have the same name if they mean different things?
Edit: Oh I see. Looking through the rest of the video says uncovered media. Which makes so much more sense. Must of just been a mistake while making the video.
It’s Recovered Sonic media & Re-covered Sonic media.
Because of the Sonic Extremes.
its sad that the 43K people who watched this didnt care to sub.
bem fixe
You really need to make your 'un' in unrecovered a lot more prominent and audible because most of the time you say it, it just sounds like your saying recovered without the 'un' which was very confusing in the part where you talk about recovered vs unrecovered since it sounds like you're saying the same word over and over.
tu e brasileiro?
Não
@@Cifesk KKKKKKKKKKK não é possível, curto muito teu canal!
@@itsjustalter obrigado mas nao sou brasileiro sou portugues
@@Cifesk Ahhh entendi, perdão, mas nunca imginei que tu fosse português
TOO MANY "PRETTY"! Try to reduce repetition of words in the script. Great video though
Wait until you see how many times I write "really"
Can you switch it up and do a Mario Video? I would like if you did lost media for Mario instead. But this video is amazing, like all of your videos!
third
you showed some websites where you can download roms so basically you just demonstrated how to commit piracy
Can't believe I taught an entire audience how to put the word "download" after a game's name. My bad og
That's a lot of words to basically say Sega is fucking dogshit at managing anything Sonic
as if every other company doesn't have tons of lost media, franchise is over 30 years old lost media is expected.
I know no lost media lol! Sorry, never cared about it until now.. (well, maybe i still dont care being honest..)
I'm not taking that seriously from someone with a Roblox pfp
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Sega needs to stop making Sonic games for iPhones because Apple is garbage. They should release all their games on PC or Android too. I am still trying to make the perfect MACOS virtual machine to play Sonic on. Also I hate Nintendo and the Nintendo Switch and also Xbox Series S because of these garbage consoles games cannot get their full potential. :(((((( Makes me really sad.