Murphy’s Law in Action: The Bizarre Sinking of HMS Thetis
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I was subscribed to almost all your channels so when you started duplicating things i kinda stoped watching, but i havent seen this one yet. Or most the history stuff. So i will watch
What an odd sense of deja vu.
It really seems like I have heard you do this video prior to March 5th, 2022 but CZcams claims it was only posted 2 hours ago.
EDIT: Ah-ha, the pinned comment that I am responding to has a date stamp kf one month ago! Shenanigans CZcams, I call shenanigans!
#Simonisacoward What about the ship sunk by Russian mines yesterday?!
what is this strategy about making a new channel every few months about anyway? really scatters content for those who enjoy your stu'yle of presenting.
He's spreading his bets. More advertising money from Russian companies. That's why he's such a limey coward who won't post anything about Ukraine!!
Simon, my father served on a T class (HMS Thrasher) in WWII, this was post the accident when amendments to equipment and training were made. I asked him about Thetis when I read about it, and he said that he had to practice using the escape equipment, using an amended tank to give a 100ft depth of water. I still have his naval training record which shows he passes verification on the equipment.
Also all the RN submarines were amended to include a device on the tube doors called the "Thetis Clip". This is a second lock ( on the tube intenal door) which only allowed the tube to open about 1/2 an inch, such that if the external door was open to the sea... that less water would enter the vessel, time to close all the wterertight bulkhead doors and the torpedo crew a chance to close the external tube doors before the compartment itself flooded.
Wow thats a great story. I love the iterated design improvements Britain used. For some reason I remember that a woman who worked at a factory which built the Supermarine Spitfire had designed an improved float carburetor which fixed the negative G stalling problem lol.
@@SubvertTheStatethe Spitfire carburetor issue you note, that's "miss shillings oriface". Beatrice Shilling was an experienced engineer,( working for the RAE at Farnborough) who worked out how to stop the Merlin engine cutting out under negative g force.....by redesigning the float in the carburetor.
Having watched lots of aviation disaster documentaries, those design and training modifications to mitigate risks in multiple dissimilarly redundant ways seems very familiar. It's good to hear even back then (and not only in aviation) this philosophy was applied.
This is one of those OMG, stories when there's one bad thing after another. The more detail he went on about the more I'm like, you've got to b kidding!! Good ol Murphy & his crazy law....
Yeah. I had always thought the superstitious sailor's were... a bit silly. But listening this, maybe the fear of "Bad Luck" isn't so unreasonable.
I'm a firm believer on Murphy's Law, and trying to prepare (sailor's child)... But you can't prepare for every scenario, so maybe, after preparations are done, doing something small "for luck", is a good way to give yourself courage to go, despite knowing something Will Go Wrong.
Dracinifel has a great one about the Russian Pacific Fleet and the battle of Samar straight (I think). It's a total cluster for the entire journey.
Check out the battle of the may isle which was no battle but when a whole squadron of steam powered submarines all crashed into each other and a few hundred thousand tons of battleship an absolute catalogue of disasters only just admitted after 100 years check it out there is a good video on you tube called battle of the may island . That’s the isle of may in the Firth of Forth
One of my old friends was a submariner who served on a 688i Los Angeles class sub. One day, he went to the sub base to pick up his paycheck, and I was with him, and he thought that as long as I was there, he would take me on a tour of his sub, since I was interested in that sort of thing. While we were walking to the docks, he pointed out this other 688i that was up in drydock. He didn't tell me it's name, but he told me that that particular sub was known for it's screw ups, and it was currently being repaired because of 1. During some kind of exercise, the sub had managed to torpedo itself, and then it managed to collide with something, forcing it to have to be towed back. And apparently the sub had this long history of bad luck, and or screw ups. I can't recall everything he listed but I can imagine that none of those things were funny for the crew. He said that that particular sub was kind of a joke among the other submariners.
That whole story rivals the one of the submarine sunk by its own toilet!
I'm a big fan of the "Fact Boy" persona. Makes it extra special that i saw it evolve in real time.
One of the civilians from Cammel Laid who died was a distant relative of mine, a worker called Frank R. Bresnen.
Sadly I don't know much about him. But I'm hoping this year to be able to spend some time doing family research and maybe learn a bit more about him.
I think it was the cammel laird yard pal
My favorite and most prolific Fact Boi!
Isn't it time to update this nickname? I propose ....
Drumroll....
Fact Man!
And Murphy was an optimist.
Some very unusual events do take place in warfare. One CZcams "Dark Seas" relates the story of how close The British light cruiser HMS Sheffield was to being seriously damaged by two mistaken torpedo attacks on it, in the May, 1941 pursuit of the German Battleship Bismarck. Two of the first three flights of the Brit Swordfish torpedo bombers mistook the Sheffield for being the Bismarck. The captain and crew made several (and likely angry) attempts to get the pilot attention to the Union Jack flag flying from the cruiser. Fortunately, those torpedoes were of Mark-14 type that often would fail to explode when hitting targeted ships. One hit, but was a dud, and didn't explode. As the highly skilled and somewhat imfamous US writer Kurt Vonnegut frequently wrote: "And so it goes". 🙄
In Ernest Gann's book, Fate Is The Hunter (1961), there's a similar Murphy's Law tale in reverse. Where after a long round trip flight, pilot Gann was approached by an engineer, who treated Captain Gann like a well:
"Let me touch you," Howard said. "When we eat I'd like to sit at your side. Maybe some of your luck will drip on me." He caressed my shoulder and then my arm as if I were some pagan statue and I was exceedingly embarrassed." ... "It seemed that only a most remarkable series of causes and effects had kept us from duplicating the catastrophe of Bainbridge. The aura of fantasy was compounded when we considered both had occurred on the same day." ""Did you know we grounded every DC-4 in the world because of you?" he asked" ... "crash at Bainbridge was caused by unporting." ... [Spoilers] ..."This brilliant decision saved your life the FIRST time that day." ... [there was another] ... "We had some long sessions with our slide rules and we found, my friend, that you had arranged the only possible combination of power, speed, and weight which would blockade the chances of unporting." ... "I asked Howard if his slide rule could measure the fate of one man against another's."
The film Fate Is The Hunter (1964) is an loose amalgam of incidents from the book. With Murphy's Law at full throttle.
May I suggest an alternative to apologising if someone has already seen a video: 'If you've seen it before you're welcome to watch one of our many other videos, or, of course, continue watching.' As someone who often accidentally rewatches your videos (I love learning but my mind is a sieve), I'd rather be welcomed than apologized to, especially when you've done nothing wrong. I expect it's from being British, we do have a terrible habit of apologising for every tiny thing, but I personally think that just weakens the meaning when it's a genuine apology (just my opinion of course, which you're welcome to ignore).
Sadly a great great uncle didnt escape. Its a story I have heard many times but never in such detail. Its interesting to know what really happened.
Man I don't know if it was just me but this entire thing played out like a final destination movie
How about one on Justin Schmidt, author of the "Schmidt sting pain index"? Sometimes hilarious observations of his would be great for an April fools try not to laugh challenge!
there's Malay proverb for this situation - 'after falling, the ladder falls on you'.
Ideally, a submarine/submersible has the same number of times surfacing as submerging.
Although that won't rule out everyone on board dieing.
@@Tossphate Hmm...
Corollary: Second ideal for a submarine/submersible - The same number of living people disembark as embark.
All for the want of a horseshoe nail.
Now I have to laugh, since that line hit me when you mentioned the bike's flat tire. I didn't expect to hear an actual reference to it at the end of the video.
Lack of a nail could also apply to the lack of pinholes in the paint on the stopcocks that were used to check the status of the torpedo tubes.
I can’t believe squarespace sank these ships
what is this a reference to?
@@xybersurfer I’m assuming it’s because they sponsored the video, so it’s a joke about how they made it possible as in they sank the ships, rather than they paid for the program.
Subscribed to Highlight History last week(?) but am happy to watch this video here.
If i ever design a submarine - I will make sure that there are enough full body pressure suits for everyone on board.
this is a freaking horror movie material.
Nice Beard Simon
Can you cover operation unthinkable, the British plans to invade the USSR after ww2? I think it would make a great video
Yes!
The most depressing Murphy’s Law tale I’ve EVER heard. Nice job 👏
Another interesting video, Seaman Simon!
I'd read about this before- still a balls out terrifying scenario to hear described.
This is pretty wild. This channel is now going through all the history channel videos I watched a couple of weeks ago.
Good video 👍
The original Murphys Law was not "if anything can go wrong, it will." It was actually "if it can be screwed up, someone will find a way to do it."
Every time he says "this originally went out on our sister channel..." I tell myself I'm gonna skip this one. Then I don't and I continue to watch & be amazed as if it was the first time.
Oh whimsical, wiley and magical Fact Boi, how dost thou do it?
it's probably the cocaine. allegedly.
@@amicloud_yt *very allegedly 😉
That’s gotta be traumatizing using beyond belief; seeing your ship -your home- disappear beneath the surface!!
I love throwbacks to other channels and videos.
This video is one piece of bad luck after another. To wit, even the dude carrying the message on a bike got a flat tire. But, like you said, if one link in the chain of bad luck had not occurred, then the loss of life may have been far less, or at least possibly less. Great video.
Yo all I saw was one piece and I agree it really is the best story in human history
Cover the Russian sub incident where a crewman accidentally gassed half the crew in their bunks by playing around with a touchscreen panel that turned on the fire suppression system.
What was the name of that sub?
@@lizc6393 K-152
I'd link the Wikipedia page but CZcams seems to censor all my external links.
@@daviddavidson2357 Gotcha. Thanks man!
@@lizc6393 No problem
British Admiralty: No one will suspect anything if we rename it.
And now we know why the watch phrase repeated by leadership ad infinitum throughout my telecommunications career starting with the USAF, then ITT, Sprint, MCI and Verizon was "attention to detail!"
The title picture gets me every time. The hilarity
Good morning everyone
What a tragic chain of events!
1:06 Recently watched an animated movie in which intro a bird crashes into a suddenly opening door of a law firm. Dubbed Murphy's law.
Simon seems to may be going crazy from doing all these videos.. do they just keep him locked up down there with a beard trimmer and some food and a couple different button down shirts
Sad story!
Ooh! Simon with attitude.
The most dangerous moment in which the Murphy's Law could have happened war at the end of the Cuban missiles crisis.
No, it was actually yesterday when a Russian shell landing 100 metres off target would have poisoned all of Europe by hitting an active nuclear reactor.
Ha! James Michener named more than one vessel 'Thetis' in his books
Imagine being the crew on that rebuilt sub. Knowing you were using a defacto former crypt for 99 men that was underwater for several months before being returned to service. And of course lets not forget the reason it sunk was due to bad design and lazy construction oversight. Enjoy.
I cant keep track of all your channels lol
That's how almost every disaster happens. Planes crash because the nut is loose, they got the wrong weather report, they had too much fuel loaded because of the loose nut, etc etc etc.
Big errors are usually glaringly obvious, and are caught before they go too far.; it's the "oh, that's too small to cause any trouble" that gets dismissed or not even noticed in the first place. And boy do they add up.
Silent ...but deadly!
That description of the layout of the handles definitely sounds a huge mistake- even today I find I, and most people I speak to, are more or less hardwired to assume that the layout of controls or indicators somehow corresponds to that of the thing they control, if not explicitly prepared for it to be otherwise. Plus, that "open, closed, neutral" arrangement with the handle returning to neutral after each operation is appalling. If a thing can only be open or closed, and my life might depend on both which it is and which I think it is, I want that handle telling me what condition it is in. It's not like it's a friggin doorknob. For that matter, though I have a doorknob, the deadbolt has two positions, one is open the other closed.
Then again, I live in the age of touchscreens and flat panel switches, so who am I to condemn 1930s designers?
Goooood morning y'all!
Good morning
Jesus. Just heartbreaking.
Man I have so much respect for divers and sailors on subs. There is no way I way in you will Ever catch me on a submarine lol. Only sub for me is those sammiches.
I have always been so intrigued by this but it literally freaks me out to believe that that was in the middle of the ocean
Have you done the USS Thresher
I saw the thumbnail and thought it was Business Blaze for a second.
I miss it being business blaze. Brain blaze just isn't the same.
Why did they keep using the deadly oxygen masks when part of the boat was already at the surface? HMS clusterfk
Ah, now i know where Alistair MacLean draw some of the inspiration for Ice Station Zebra
My gradpa was in the German navy in a submarine. He was one of a couple that survived after it sunk.
I prefer Jone's Corollary to Murphy's Law - "Murphy is a fucking optimist"
Ah yes, the whole basis of my job. Anything that floats, can sink.
(I'm a marine pollution investigator.)
When you do the intro for these for the second go round, do you always find the same shirt?
Civilian tug-boat grabacock?
Good naming.
1:23
Accompanied by the civilian tugboat...
"Grebecock"...
Tug... boat... "Grebe... cock"...
1:55 "Woods opened a small... testcock"
2:17 "the locking tube on #5 proved proved unusually... stiff"
HA!
Now, hold on!
WHAT?!
Interestingly, some say the tugboats master was a Mr Bates.
The ADF refers to it as the "swiss cheese theory"
Basically any little problem won't have severe consequences. But sometimes all of the holes line up.
When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.
in highlight history do you tell viewers they can also watch same here in today i found out channel?
I know it really doesn't matter, but I was the 3,000th like, and seeing that button tick from 2.9k to 3k when I clicked that button was just *oooof*
So satisfying.
Why do I feel bad for giving this a thumbs up? This actually made me feel ill. Maybe it was the bottle of wine I had whilst listening to this.
....or when the 'holes in the Swiss-Cheese line-up'.
1:24 grab a what ?
Holy crap, those poor souls.
Simon, guess who just got his first WIRELESS lav mic??
Haven’t you done a video on the Thetis before? I’m sure I visited the memorial on the same day you released it (not today)
He clearly said in the beginning that the video was first released in his other channel, Highlight History
@@alaric_ thanks I skipped the start thinking it was a sponsor. I need to be more patient.
Bloody Hell, that's just messed up! We complain about a nanny state, health and safety being OTT now a days but they could have done with at least some back then! A bit of good luck would have helped too.. poor bastards.
Yep its either there is none, or tips absolutely oppressive no in-between
Factboy and blogman save the day once again
"A 3 hour test-drive, a 3 hour test-drive"
What is the link to the Murphy video?
There was a tugboat called grabacock??
Is this the third channel of his that this same video has been on?
This guy has to many channels to keep up with
7:35 Why oxygen poisoning? I thought they were close enough to the surface at this time?
I jus follow Simon on the internet 🖖😁
What was that second tug boats name?
So a UK sub sank twice?
Submarines started in the 19th century.... during the civil was both sides had one. They both sank long before seeing combat
Maybe Simon could do a video on why people are compelled to add an extra syllable to certain words like preventive (preven-TA-tive) and disoriented (disorien-TAY-ted
Disorientated is the British version of disoriented. I would have to listen again but preventive and preventative are both words with the same meaning. I think I use "preventative" myself, as in preventative maintenance but it isn't a word I use often.
Many of the victims are buried in MaesHyfryd Cemetery in Holyhead North Wales .
"Grebbercock"????? That's Grebecock - the male of the very common species of waterbird called a grebe (pronounced "Greeb"). Thought Simon would have known that...
found the bird-nerd! (thanks, didn't know about that bird)
@@eddyguizonde401 Not a bird-nerd - just general knowledge...
I thought he was saying "grab a cock" and was thinking that was quite a tragic name for really anything.
Wait, the Tugboat is called Grab a Cock? I had to rewind and check the name "Grebe Cock". Was the boat owner just having fun with this name? I imagine the port personel is having a laugh each time the ship announces itself over the radio.
Grebes are aquatic birds. The cock is the male.
It's pronounced Greeb Cock.
Although I don't remember them I recognize the name HMS brazen I've heard its name several times
I like these morbid stories for some reason
Murphy really didn't like the HMS Thetis.
What kinda person would name their boat the grabacock is my main question
Godspeed to the 100 souls❤️🇬🇧
This episode sounds like it was written by Connie Willis.
Or as the saying goes: One *ouch* is preceeded by ten *oops*
what was this titled on the other one... i remember the video but the title didnt remind me at all
Murphy was an optimist.