You should coordinate your research with an independent IT/Network researcher who can publish an article (based on his own testing) which shows results and names vendors who are culpable. This would give negative publicity to vendors who are peddling low quality cable products and might discourage such behavior.
Hello! At trueCABLE, we prefer not to call out other vendors or manufacturers by name. While there might be some cathartic value in such an approach, it's best handled independently. Someone else might take up this idea after watching the video and reading the blog, though. And, of course, we can't stop anyone in the comments from sharing this video and blog with others. Thank you for watching!
Can't wait for you guys to make cat6a cables since I just rewired for 10GbE and have 5gig fiber coming in. I plan on buying your cat's six patch cables for any of my 1G or 2.5G devices.
Hello! We are eager to offer the Cat6A patch cords, too, but it will take time to get perfect. We won't release them until we are satisfied with the performance and reliability of them. As to our Cat6 patch cords, they easily handle 5Gbps. For 10Gbps, if the patch cord is used alone from powered device to powered device (and our patch cord is the only cable being used for the entire "channel"), you are guaranteed 10Gbps!
I would like to offer my story regarding a bad patch cable. I am currently running a Unifi setup with patch cables from Truecable and Blue Jeans Cable (they are another company that certifies every cable before shipping and also includes a test sheet with every cable). I use Blue Jeans cables for longer runs and Truecable for shorter runs. I noticed that I was experiencing packet loss according to my Unifi logs and also saw that my Netgear CM2000 upload link light was blinking constantly. When I looked into this, I noticed that my cable from my Dream Machine SE wan port to my Netgear CM2000 wan port was a so called "premium Cat7" big brand cable. When I replaced this cable with a certified Truecable patch cable, the upload link light on my Netgear CM2000 turned solid and has remained solid since the switch. Also, my Unifi logs are now clean with no more packet loss warnings! Do quality patch cables matter? In the data world, you bet it does! Granted my scenario is a home setup, but in commercial environments, it is critical!
Hello, and thanks for sharing your story. I often use the same Ubiquiti equipment you do for home and small business installations. So, I have used the same method to track down quite a few less-than-quality patch cords. Cable quality matters not only in big data environments but also with smaller-scale setups! Consider that 2.5G is becoming the norm, and you will understand why. As to your "Cat7" cable, that is no Cat7 cable. If it were, it would have been terminated with GG45 or TERA connectors at both ends. The ISO/IEC 11801 standard does not call for Cat7 to be terminated with 8P8C (aka RJ45) connectors, and therefore, it was counterfeit before you took it out of the bag. You also discovered, as I have, that a solid Cat6 patch cord will easily outperform poor-quality Cat6A, "Cat7", and Cat8 patch cords. The more you know!
Same question I have. Also, when you say you wired your whole house up with Cat6a I assume that is all the wiring from your gateway / router to you wall plugs. Are those also not considered to be patch cords in the sense of the network? Might be a stupid question and sorry it it is. Thanks
Hello! trueCABLE is taking the high road on this. Being that we are not an independent review site, we are not naming any other manufacturers. The reason is considering we sell our own patch cords, information of that nature would be considered biased (for obvious reasons). However, we cannot stop anyone in the comments section from sending the video or underlying blog to an independent review site to pick up on and perhaps take further action.
Hello! Here is the truth on Cat7 -- All Cat7 patch cords on the market terminated with 8P8C (aka RJ45) plugs are counterfeit. Each and every one. In the ISO/IEC 11801 spec 8P8Cs are not used for Cat7 on patch cords, it is GG45 or TERA connectors. In addition to this, the vast majority of so-called "Cat7" patch cords I have tested (the only exception being the one I tested here) FAIL even Cat6 patch cord testing. So, just because there is a Category stamped on the side of the cable does not mean the cable will get anywhere near the performance that is required of it or that it is built to the correct specifications.
Hello Henry. We at trueCABLE take the high road on such things, so we won't be calling out manufacturers by name. trueCABLE is not an independent review site, and since we sell our own competing products, our motivations will always appear biased for obvious reasons. That all said, we cannot stop anyone in the comments from forwarding this video (and the baseline blog that goes behind it) to some other independent reviewers to potentially pick up and further investigate.
I am going to guess these ''competing cables' are no name stuff on amazon with brand 'names' made by RNG and not a real budget brand like monoprice Did you forget to go back and include why cat7/8 is a load of marketing bs? or did i miss it somehow, maybe it was lost in editing... The way i rule of thumb test cables to check for cat5e is a pinch test (making sure the cables are twisted) another issues with cheap ones that pass can have crappy insulation that cracks, you know what cables have given me the worst PITA problem over the years... SATA cables, if shielded sata cables were a thing i would have bought some. have also found trash RJ11 cables that have ~6kohm resistance over 4 feet you can't even repurpose that, i could not even solder to that junk. i will use old telephone wire for basic GPIO with micro controllers (button, led, photocell, switches) i have used dielectric grease to protect all connection for my HDDs, replaced sata cables more than once, and was at the point of if i have to do this one more time i am wrapping them in aluminum foil w/ tape/heat shrink and connecting said foil to my PSU's ground one time i bought cables i though would be blatantly fake for scrap wire so i could get a refund via buyer protection... usually fake network cables just run at 10/100 speed and 'work' fine in the eyes of the random person
Hello! You can be sure that the patch cords we tested were obtained from the larger and more recognizable manufacturers. We at trueCABLE take the high road on such things, so we won't be calling out manufacturers by name. trueCABLE is not an independent review site, and since we sell our own competing products, our motivations will always appear biased for obvious reasons. A YT influencer review channel can dive in if they like. Now that we made this old news new again maybe someone will peel it back fully. This issue has been well-known in the ICT industry for 2 years. Fluke Networks and CCCA can both point to largely the same results. Anyway, it affects IMPORTED (read: from Asia) patch cords, not domestically sourced ones or patch cords that indicate they are Component Rated and 100% Certified (as are ours). Agreed on the SATA cables. I had my share of issues, too. Yes, these poor-quality patch cords seem to work just fine in the eyes of the average person because most are not pushing higher than 1G. Often not exceeding 100 Mbps. That is changing, as you are likely aware. 2.5G NICs and capable routers are becoming more common. Coaxial Internet speeds are going higher--often available at 1 Gbps. Fiber Internet speeds are approaching 5 Gbps. Also, whoops on our part. Yes, the information I was going to provide on Cat7 is that you cannot have a patch cord that is terminated with RJ45s. Not how that works, and not in the ISO/IEC 11801 spec. They are supposed to be terminated with GG45s or TERA connectors. Essentially, any patch cord stamped with "Cat7" terminated to RJ45s is counterfeit immediately. That was lost in editing, and thanks for pointing that out!
@@trueCABLE I ran into 5Gb Internet issues worth Slim Monoprice cables and these fixed my issues. Monoprice's thicker cables still work for me, but I wonder.
Hey @hughwynn6193, we appreciate you taking the time to watch our video! If you haven't had a chance to read our blog that compliments this video, here is a great excerpt for your reference: “To get an idea of equipment cord quality, the Communications Cable and Connectivity Association (CCCA) completed large-scale, electrical performance testing of Category 6 copper patch cords, which tested nearly 500 samples that included 379 cords from offshore, lesser-known manufacturers and 120 cords from well-known North American manufacturers. Of the 379 offshore patch cords, 322 of them failed electrical performance parameters specified in TIA 568-C.2 standards with 78% failing by a margin of 3dB or more and 45% failing by a margin of 6dB or more. These cords would have likely led to significant network problems once included in the channel. All the patch cords from recognized North American manufacturers showed 0% failure rate.” - Fluke Networks. We are more than happy to answer any further questions, comments, or concerns you may have. Feel free to comment below or reach out to us directly. Thanks again for tuning in!
I tried them out. I'm local to their HQ, so returns are easy, but I didn't return any of the $2K of stuff I bought. My slim Monoprice patch cords kept having issues with 10Gb and 2.5Gb PoE. TrueCABLE fixed all those issues.
You should coordinate your research with an independent IT/Network researcher who can publish an article (based on his own testing) which shows results and names vendors who are culpable. This would give negative publicity to vendors who are peddling low quality cable products and might discourage such behavior.
This sounds like an incredible idea for a Linus Tech Tips and True Cable collab!
Hello! At trueCABLE, we prefer not to call out other vendors or manufacturers by name. While there might be some cathartic value in such an approach, it's best handled independently. Someone else might take up this idea after watching the video and reading the blog, though. And, of course, we can't stop anyone in the comments from sharing this video and blog with others. Thank you for watching!
Can't wait for you guys to make cat6a cables since I just rewired for 10GbE and have 5gig fiber coming in.
I plan on buying your cat's six patch cables for any of my 1G or 2.5G devices.
Hello! We are eager to offer the Cat6A patch cords, too, but it will take time to get perfect. We won't release them until we are satisfied with the performance and reliability of them. As to our Cat6 patch cords, they easily handle 5Gbps. For 10Gbps, if the patch cord is used alone from powered device to powered device (and our patch cord is the only cable being used for the entire "channel"), you are guaranteed 10Gbps!
I would like to offer my story regarding a bad patch cable. I am currently running a Unifi setup with patch cables from Truecable and Blue Jeans Cable (they are another company that certifies every cable before shipping and also includes a test sheet with every cable). I use Blue Jeans cables for longer runs and Truecable for shorter runs.
I noticed that I was experiencing packet loss according to my Unifi logs and also saw that my Netgear CM2000 upload link light was blinking constantly. When I looked into this, I noticed that my cable from my Dream Machine SE wan port to my Netgear CM2000 wan port was a so called "premium Cat7" big brand cable. When I replaced this cable with a certified Truecable patch cable, the upload link light on my Netgear CM2000 turned solid and has remained solid since the switch. Also, my Unifi logs are now clean with no more packet loss warnings!
Do quality patch cables matter? In the data world, you bet it does! Granted my scenario is a home setup, but in commercial environments, it is critical!
Hello, and thanks for sharing your story. I often use the same Ubiquiti equipment you do for home and small business installations. So, I have used the same method to track down quite a few less-than-quality patch cords. Cable quality matters not only in big data environments but also with smaller-scale setups! Consider that 2.5G is becoming the norm, and you will understand why. As to your "Cat7" cable, that is no Cat7 cable. If it were, it would have been terminated with GG45 or TERA connectors at both ends. The ISO/IEC 11801 standard does not call for Cat7 to be terminated with 8P8C (aka RJ45) connectors, and therefore, it was counterfeit before you took it out of the bag. You also discovered, as I have, that a solid Cat6 patch cord will easily outperform poor-quality Cat6A, "Cat7", and Cat8 patch cords. The more you know!
I bought and installed my whole house Cat6a cable from you. Do you have cat6a patch cable ? Or will cat6 be good enough ? Thank you
Same question I have. Also, when you say you wired your whole house up with Cat6a I assume that is all the wiring from your gateway / router to you wall plugs. Are those also not considered to be patch cords in the sense of the network? Might be a stupid question and sorry it it is. Thanks
Was one of those from Monoprice?
Hello! trueCABLE is taking the high road on this. Being that we are not an independent review site, we are not naming any other manufacturers. The reason is considering we sell our own patch cords, information of that nature would be considered biased (for obvious reasons). However, we cannot stop anyone in the comments section from sending the video or underlying blog to an independent review site to pick up on and perhaps take further action.
What did you have to say about cat7? You mentioned that you were going to say things about it but I didn’t hear anything about it.
Hello! Here is the truth on Cat7 -- All Cat7 patch cords on the market terminated with 8P8C (aka RJ45) plugs are counterfeit. Each and every one. In the ISO/IEC 11801 spec 8P8Cs are not used for Cat7 on patch cords, it is GG45 or TERA connectors. In addition to this, the vast majority of so-called "Cat7" patch cords I have tested (the only exception being the one I tested here) FAIL even Cat6 patch cord testing. So, just because there is a Category stamped on the side of the cable does not mean the cable will get anywhere near the performance that is required of it or that it is built to the correct specifications.
What brand are these failed cables?
Hello Henry. We at trueCABLE take the high road on such things, so we won't be calling out manufacturers by name. trueCABLE is not an independent review site, and since we sell our own competing products, our motivations will always appear biased for obvious reasons. That all said, we cannot stop anyone in the comments from forwarding this video (and the baseline blog that goes behind it) to some other independent reviewers to potentially pick up and further investigate.
I am going to guess these ''competing cables' are no name stuff on amazon with brand 'names' made by RNG and not a real budget brand like monoprice
Did you forget to go back and include why cat7/8 is a load of marketing bs? or did i miss it somehow, maybe it was lost in editing...
The way i rule of thumb test cables to check for cat5e is a pinch test (making sure the cables are twisted) another issues with cheap ones that pass can have crappy insulation that cracks, you know what cables have given me the worst PITA problem over the years... SATA cables, if shielded sata cables were a thing i would have bought some. have also found trash RJ11 cables that have ~6kohm resistance over 4 feet you can't even repurpose that, i could not even solder to that junk. i will use old telephone wire for basic GPIO with micro controllers (button, led, photocell, switches)
i have used dielectric grease to protect all connection for my HDDs, replaced sata cables more than once, and was at the point of if i have to do this one more time i am wrapping them in aluminum foil w/ tape/heat shrink and connecting said foil to my PSU's ground
one time i bought cables i though would be blatantly fake for scrap wire so i could get a refund via buyer protection...
usually fake network cables just run at 10/100 speed and 'work' fine in the eyes of the random person
Hello! You can be sure that the patch cords we tested were obtained from the larger and more recognizable manufacturers. We at trueCABLE take the high road on such things, so we won't be calling out manufacturers by name. trueCABLE is not an independent review site, and since we sell our own competing products, our motivations will always appear biased for obvious reasons. A YT influencer review channel can dive in if they like. Now that we made this old news new again maybe someone will peel it back fully. This issue has been well-known in the ICT industry for 2 years. Fluke Networks and CCCA can both point to largely the same results. Anyway, it affects IMPORTED (read: from Asia) patch cords, not domestically sourced ones or patch cords that indicate they are Component Rated and 100% Certified (as are ours). Agreed on the SATA cables. I had my share of issues, too. Yes, these poor-quality patch cords seem to work just fine in the eyes of the average person because most are not pushing higher than 1G. Often not exceeding 100 Mbps. That is changing, as you are likely aware. 2.5G NICs and capable routers are becoming more common. Coaxial Internet speeds are going higher--often available at 1 Gbps. Fiber Internet speeds are approaching 5 Gbps. Also, whoops on our part. Yes, the information I was going to provide on Cat7 is that you cannot have a patch cord that is terminated with RJ45s. Not how that works, and not in the ISO/IEC 11801 spec. They are supposed to be terminated with GG45s or TERA connectors. Essentially, any patch cord stamped with "Cat7" terminated to RJ45s is counterfeit immediately. That was lost in editing, and thanks for pointing that out!
@@trueCABLE I ran into 5Gb Internet issues worth Slim Monoprice cables and these fixed my issues. Monoprice's thicker cables still work for me, but I wonder.
This guy is the biggest liar on the planet. He is trying to sell his own compamy cables.
Hey @hughwynn6193, we appreciate you taking the time to watch our video! If you haven't had a chance to read our blog that compliments this video, here is a great excerpt for your reference: “To get an idea of equipment cord quality, the Communications Cable and Connectivity Association (CCCA) completed large-scale, electrical performance testing of Category 6 copper patch cords, which tested nearly 500 samples that included 379 cords from offshore, lesser-known manufacturers and 120 cords from well-known North American manufacturers. Of the 379 offshore patch cords, 322 of them failed electrical performance parameters specified in TIA 568-C.2 standards with 78% failing by a margin of 3dB or more and 45% failing by a margin of 6dB or more. These cords would have likely led to significant network problems once included in the channel. All the patch cords from recognized North American manufacturers showed 0% failure rate.” - Fluke Networks.
We are more than happy to answer any further questions, comments, or concerns you may have. Feel free to comment below or reach out to us directly. Thanks again for tuning in!
I tried them out. I'm local to their HQ, so returns are easy, but I didn't return any of the $2K of stuff I bought. My slim Monoprice patch cords kept having issues with 10Gb and 2.5Gb PoE. TrueCABLE fixed all those issues.
@@Saturn2888 Thank you for sharing your experience!