Leafs Cut Ties with Kyle Dubas | Real Kyper & Bourne - May 19
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2023
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What an episode, this is better than any binge worthy box set 😂 Kyper always ruffles some feathers with his brutal honesty. Love it.
this is what you get for buildin up guy from scratch… a stab in the back. Dubas played this laughably bad.
Brobovski Conn Smythe winner.
Fantastic show
Having Gord on during this Toronto GM event was terrific. The insight and passion from Nick Gord and McClean was a great listen
credit to Kyper. he rightly called out Dubas' intention with his press conference.
Love Kyper. Joe Schmo might be offended though 😂Poor guy was just sitting at Tim Horton's!
Love Bourne but what a great bit of luck to have Gord on today. Gord is always worth listening to (best Fan590 morning cohost ever) but it's especially great to get his perspective today.
what will I remember about Kyles time with the maple leafs. That he was a rookie kid handed a dream job of gm with the biggest nhl money maker in the Toronto maple leafs and was handed 4 big stars a gm's wet dream....and wasted it.
I will remember such a lack of understanding of the game, that he thought analytics alone could win them a championship. What a f.cken NERD.
The latter.
@NHL 2K10 Someone finally tells the truth about Brodie
Leafs have been insulated from any consequences during the Dubas era. You can't keep losing year after year...... change was needed
Can listen to Nick all day....SPOT ON
LEAFS drama is better than the current playoffs games...
Kyper is the best. This show is starting to get in line with Tsn Overdrive as the 2 best hockey radio shows in Toronto. Gordo is a stellar guest host as well
Shout out to Kyper for his prescient analysis after the Monday conference calling out Dubas’s tactic and then calling out the details to unfold with Shanahan. The team owes you on that. When you loose that much in the post season in this market your bargaining position should be called out for what it is.
It is serious lack of judgement
@@pjpredhomme7699 poor or lack of analytics skill
About time. 2-3 years late IMHO
Love the show all of you guys do an awesome job.
Kyper proving why he’s the only worthwhile personality on sportsnet. Nice to see someone with a set approach the sport with some integrity
Watched the entire show! Leafs soap opera never fails to entertain. GLG!!
I love Nick Kypreos asking Gord where does this rank for you in terms of Leafs craziness
Wow, what a show. Great job boys
Last night’s quadruple OT game was a great show. This gong show is nothing but a Soap Opera! 🤣😂🤣🍁🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I’m not even a Leafs fan and I like this show. Panthers fan, but I love hockey and this is quality stuff.
Respect the logo on the front. If you dont want to be here 100% and you have any doubts you are out. No amount of money is going to fix the fact that Dubas didnt have the mental makeup to be the GM at the head of the biggest hockey team in the world.
Awesome to have Gord on the show!
Kyper called out Kyle's tactic immediately, respect. I think Kyle is a coward.
Yup bingo. What a weasel
Good to see Gord again.. This was great guys!
in the end, even after Shanahan's presser, it is all speculation about the details of things not working out for a new dubas deal.
Personally, i don't think he spoke about his family using it as a play chip - i think, he was just overwhelmed by the situation, the ups and downs of finally winning a round in the playoffs, and then almost being swept.
This might be the best in the end for him and the leafs.
A break will do him good.
I agree. If the whole story were known I'm pretty sure consensus would be that somebody should have made him just stay home until his head cleared. Doing that press conference on Monday was a big mistake.
Great show guys!!
I miss the days you and Mac were on intermissions. I can't even watch sn or cbc anymore. TSN is alright. It was really refreshing to see this, but I can't believe I stayed for the whole thing!
always a fan when Doug comes on the show. Hockey central a noon was the best hockey show.
That was a great show.
Agreed
This is the type of ep. that can born new Hockey fans.
Kypper for GM!
Gotta love kyper 🙌🙌
Great to see the interaction between Gord and Doug.
Great show ! Love Kyper Bourne and Gordo! Cherilli ? Bowman ? Good choices ?
Nick nailed the head dead on. Dubas screwed himself and I think he felt he was going to use his relationship with his players as leverage.
Nick was on fire 🔥. I know there are two sides but I agree with Nick 💯. This is the Toronto Maple Leafs so idk what Dina’s was thinking pulling a power play move like this .
The amt of details and deadline Brendan gave was unbelievable
Just an overall excellent session. I love JB, but Stellick took the ball and ran with it like the pro he is. Add in MacLean (whose always a great guest) with Kyper and Sammy (and supporting background cast) and this is the best show. It's why I watch it so often. Great work all!
Great stuff lads 👍👍
Tavares contract is large, but the 5 for Matthews, and Marner were mistakes. They should've gotten less for only a 5 year term.
They will not do that again
Dubas never should have even entertained those offers.
All that matters is winning the cup all the last 5yrs have been just "playing" hockey now lets see what happens next !! Fascinating
All that matters is for the Leafs to keep extending their NHL Record setting Active Cup Drought! 🤣😂🤣
Kyle can manage his kids' hockey team now😊
Said the same thing when they got Tavares. We had Matthews and Kadri at center. We did not need a 11 mil center . Maybe a 11 mil d man but still we had the big guys to sign why crunch the cap like that and he had to sign him for 7 years to match the sharks who offered him even more money. Huge Dubas fan but single handedly the worst move he has made, and the no move… it’s tied our hands. And Matthews and Marner would automatically never take anything lower than 10 or 11 ever because their second center who’s on the decline is making so much.
Also if he listened to Shanny and didn’t talk on locker clean out day he would still have a job. Just like Kessel (twice), Kadri, Bozak, Schenn possibly Freddy this year and many others Dubas will take his revenge with a cup
No he won't lol he can revenge managing his kids hockey team 😂🤡
@Jessie 100% all of this “he wants to be the highest paid player in the league, as he should” is such BS. He’s amazing but if he wants to hold the leafs ransom gtfo. Anyone will be a maple leaf for 14 mil by 8 years. Or even worse 13 for 3 and he makes even more in 3 years. Commit and give us a chance to win like Crosby did. That is a captain and a leader. Knew he could make way more but took less for the team. He was highest paid still deservingly but he didn’t go overboard cause he wanted to win.
It isn't often that you see someone throw themselves under the bus. Thanks for your massive efforts Kyle and I wish you all the best in the future.
He won’t read this.
Kyprios is 100% on point here.
Tavares didn't "keep it close to the vest". He was clear numerous times about "wanting to stay here for a number of years" just like you said Matthews said.
Change is needed
It will be nice to see the Leafs go downhill from here! 🤣😂🤣
I think Dubas is a great GM, He should come forward and said I played a card and it backfired. Clearly Shanny wanted him, lose the EGO's put it behind you and sign the deal. People make mistakes and play the I'm worth more card, it failed, so get past it.
Great show....I love Gordo. He should have his own show
He did for years until Rogers got their hands on the fan and trashed it.
@@15jstoneI miss it so much
Dubas' behavior over the past week epitomizes his behavior over the past 5 years.... amatuer and driven by emotions. The Leafs franchise has become a place where there is no accountability for results....just demands for more $. Ergo the contracts to which the franchise is beholden
There was a trade Dubas wanted to make couple years back with Marc Andre Fleury and another player forget his name but he's one of Florida's top guys right now and they also were asking for knies who at the time was playing college hockey Shannahan nixed the deal this is why there's a hierarachy that trade would have happened happened had Dubas had his way, knies is going to be a power forward in this league thank god Shannahan didn't agree to that trade.
As a sens fans it's so nice to see this dumpster fire. Things are looking up over here. Maybe time for a leafs rebrand?
McKee - make separate video of Kyper @ 13:30 from the end (until 4:10 from the end). True!
He has the Penguins job-was likely on par with salary offered to him by Toronto. So he staged this entire week… playing family card… then coming back with an outlandish request for higher salary. It he got the salary request then he won having a high pressure job but getting paid a king’s ransom. If it got rejected and then let go-well it gives him the “right” to go get another job that he already had lined up and didn’t have to say I am choosing this other organization. Instead he had to go since Toronto fired him. Dubas is not a good general manager, but he is an excellent Machiavellian individual.
Yes, I think basically this, bang on. And Shanahan could then see the game he was playing, wasn't going to have the franchise extorted or get on its knees for this pencil neck.
See I think the first thing management needs to say is, We have 1 goal. Winning the ultimate trophy in sports, the Stanley Cup. Nothing else matters. If your goal isn’t the same and you’re not 100 percent committed to that goal you don’t belong in this building.
No more of this we’d be happy just to win round 1 crap. That crap maybe not what they said directly. But it’s certainly the impression in the press.
Shanahan needs to go too.
The goal is the CUP!!!!!! Nothing less.
Full disclosure I’m an AVs fan. But I’ve had fun watching the drama in Toronto.
Dubas had a $4M/yr deal on the table. He played those family games, then demanded $6M-$7M/yr with full autonomy for 5 years. I think Shanny felt betrayed and it no longer felt like Dubas was committed to the organization. It's as if Dubas's mindset was similar to a few of the players. Just there to collect a paycheck instead of hungry for success. I think that cemented Shanny's decision to cut ties, and I think it was right. And I liked Dubas, but it's obvious his build will never win. Change is needed.
Man talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
So Is This Correct Information Or A Guess That Dubas Had A $4M/YR Deal On The Table. Then Demanded $6M-$7M With Full Autonomy For 5 Years.
Oh how I wish to have been a fly on the wall during the conversation between Shanny and Dubas. That would have been interesting
To me it seems like Dubas thought he is Matthews, the irreplaceable franchise cornerstone. That when he answers the question if he wants to re-sign with "maybe, I'll have to check with the family, they haven't been too happy about me playing here", that it would cause a screeching halt in whatever the boss is doing and they'll do everything they can to make him re-sign. When in reality he is Nylander, and if he answers the question in that way then the response of the GM would be "okay, then I'll get on the phone and make sure we find a good team for you". Overvaluing himself, and not understanding he is replaceable.
The contract Dubas had drawn up might also have been something outlandish. So that he would be let go instead of being the one who wouldn't sign a contract. No idea how that makes things better for him but who knows.
You sir are delusional. Dubas put together a great team. If you want to blame anyone, you should blame Shanny. What does he do?
@@dylanr8481 "You sir are delusional. Dubas put together a great team."
Sure, and Nylander has played great. Still completely replaceable if he says he's not sure about wanting to play in Toronto.
"If you want to blame anyone, you should blame Shanny. What does he do?"
He's the highest employee in the hierarchy, right? So he's coordinating and having the final say in all decisions. Making sure that people like Dubas proceeds in the direction the owners wants them to.
That is an interesting perspective that I briefly thought about as well. In some ways-it seems like Dubas kind of purposely got himself fired by 1. Not signing the contract; 2. Publicly state his potential intention to potentially “step away” 3. Don’t communicate with your supervisor after the press conference for an entire day… then have your agent contact him with a likely counter-offer that had to be outlandish for Shanahan to only have a brief conversation about it…
I am a Flyer’s fan that casually follows other teams . My impression of Dubas from afar is he is an actor… he projects all of that passion in the booth knowing the cameras are on him. I also think getting this prestigious job without the background gave him a sense of entitlement and an overvaluation of his abilities. I have visceral reactions to some people and my initial reaction to him was someone who is Machiavellian and manipulative who spends more energy cultivating his presentation to others as opposed to allowing himself to be vulnerable in the sense of really learning the job and becoming a better GM. The move for Tavares highlights this in my opinion whereby I know Toronto fans were celebrating the day Tavares “came home” and that to me is the one move that hindered this franchise from truly building around their two younger stars.
I do respect Dubas’s manipulative and Machiavellian nature enough to predict he already has another job lined up-which is why he orchestrated his firing this week. He likely figured-I want this other job which will give me less headaches, but hey let me ask for an outlandish amount to stay here and if they actually give it to me-I will win anyway…
As I said after Dubas spoke on Monday, if he doesn't really know if he wants to stay, then he shouldn't be staying!
More likely Dubas' agent told him his market worth and advised Dubas to ask for more. After all 10% of $6M commission is good money.
The agent's job is to find the best market for the client.
Am I the only one who didn't know GMs had agents?
Absolutely love Kyper!! What a beaut
This episode is crazy good!
Finally, some good content!
-1:20:50
Leafs in 7
Kyper turned on Dubas pretty quick once the press conference was over.
I think Kyper perceived Dubas was using a manipulative “family-card” tactic after his press conference on Monday. I didn’t get the impression he was backing Dubas to have “turned on him” after this press conference. This press conference solidified Kyper’s initial reaction to Dubas at his Monday press conference.
I truly believe that Dubas should have been at this press conference as well. The fact that he is not speaks alot to me. There are two sides to every story.
Great show, Kyper and Gordo
Absolutely amazing show boys.
You wouldn't know amazing if it slapped you in the face! 🤣
They waited for a Doug Mcclean Friday baby! Plus Gord.
Kyper is just speculating that it's all about the money. Could be power as well. He may have wanted final say on Keefe, or who gets traded, carte blanche on contract approval, etc etc. It was interesting that Shanahan said the call with the Agent was "very brief". A Key maybe important word... something triggered Shanny, and it was an official FU very quickly after. Hmm.. come to think of it, maybe it was about the money, or a major factor. We'll likely never know...Dubas screwed up
It's always about money.
If it is a family issue. There is only three concerns the effect the family issue: money, work stress and time off.
Since they agreed to a previous offer. What has changed to require the new demand ? More money or more time off. Work stress is always there.
So is it money or more time off ? More time off will not shut offer new off.
So it is more about money.
Besides that, no organization will entertain a carte blanche approval unless you are a major stake holder. Stake holders need to approve spendings in a public company.
DUBAS has cred. No Doubt, Chicago,Pittsburgh, Calgary, or Columbus will be calling.
How can Shanahan wash his hands off all of this. Dubas was his guy and signed off on all decisions in this era for past 10 years
There is a lot of truth to that and the fact that Leafs would have Dubas if he said yes and signed contract on Sunday/Monday.
There's a bit of subtlety missing... does money mean length of contract? Obviously the stress on the family was that there was only one year left. Maybe the Leafs only offered Dumbass a 2 year extension!
yes, I'm not on live BUT, as much it seemed like an awesome idea att - signing Tavares is what SUNK the leafs. Not because he's not a great player. He is. BUT, they OVERPAID for him. Which means they had to give Mathews, Marner, and Nylander MORE than they should have. Which means they now didny have enough money to field a Stanley Cup team... Kadri was a FINE second line center... a BETTER second-line center is NOT what they needed
Ken Holland needs to start pushing his way to Toronto. The. Again sounds like he may have already started .
Losing Dubas is rough on Leaf Trolls. All the best to him - Dubas kept things interesting & experimental.
Learning on the job with high pay and experimental play must be rough. Rough finding the Jr.
I think it’s quite possible that Dubas wanted out if he was told to fire Keefe or move out one of the core four. Best way to save face is to ask for $7 million knowing you won’t get it and you don’t fire or trade any of your buddies because you’re getting fired.
Verhaege wasnt in the Hyman trade
Dubas had the job and a new contract then Dubas' agent presented a new financial offer then Dubas doesn't hear back from Shanny so Dubas emails Shanny to say he wants to come back. Shanny knew Dubas wanted to come back when Dubas' agent presented the new offer. Dubas knew he was doneski when he didn't hear from Shanny after presenting the new offer so Dubas panicked and sent Shanny the email.
The only person who can get away playing hardball to Shanny and MLSE is Matthews u mind as well give Matthews a blank cheque lol 😂😂😂
Dubas will find a new job
@@allentam5754 Maybe so, but he said he wouldn't pop up somewhere in 3 weeks so he losing major money this year. And if and when he signs somewhere else, it will probably be for less than he was offered in Tranna.
I approached him at the "Poor performance centre"....
That's what I heard....😂
Let's not assume the package was only for more money. It was probably more money for more services/responsibility
Bob Murray or Dale Tallon
Anyone Out there Know How Much Per Year Was Kyle Dubas Making As The GM ? & How Much More Money He Wanted ? & It Was Said He Had To Get Approval For Every Move He Made They Were Breathing Down His Neck.
As Karen carpenter would say,……” it’s only just begun!!!”👀😏😎👍🤘
2of the 4 core, get packin!!!!!!👋
The days of “ roll it back thru” are done!!!
#boutfrickentime
show starts @3:40
i like shanahan more now. and please get a gm who knows hockey is not just about skill.
The era of smothering players with huge contracts for having accomplished nothing near the goal yet... What an upside-down management style. I wonder if it will ever get back to the time when players are REWARDED for their actions, and NOT their "potential"? For that matter, it seems the era of TEAMS has vanished as well; few players want to win as a team - they want themselves to "win" that contract, and to hell with the rest of the team. There is no "team"' there is no hunt for a Stanley Cup anymore; there's only looking out for #1, MY payday, and if I happen to get lucky and attach myself to a club that wins it all? BONUS! (NOT priority). We live in the age of ENTITLEMENT.
Kyla Dubas has what? A wife and two kids? And he's a multimillionaire (or should be unless they have some spending issues)..
They talk like he's the first guy to ever have such a "tough" job as GM.
This sums up Dubas' tenure as a GM rather poetically... despite the fact that I still think the family thing was just a bargaining chip to get a better contract.. (which sounds like it is exactly what happened)
One word. Do ya know it?
SOFT.
Ontario’s income tax is a big biter of gross income.
Shame on Dubas for using his family issues to try to lobby for a raise.
It's a generational thing. You're the freaking GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, yeah it's going to have its series of challenges. Whining
@Jay Jayson the only thing I could think of is the marriage is on the rocks. So naturally, he wants double since he might end up losing half of it.. lol
@@rorygillmore6555 damn I didn't think of that! Who knows what it is but Dubas screwed this whole thing up. He could've told Shanahan this in private but instead goes ahead with a press conference. I don't blame Shanahan for moving on. Idk how Dubas thought a 2nd round appearance since he took over is leverage
Shanahan owns a lot of this in a BIG way too!
Wish Gord was a permanent part of this show other than his weekly hits.
It's clear the rift rumours, werent just rumours...
He can get a nice house back in the Sault for $400K
I think Shanny didn't like Kyle's conditions of wanting more power, think about it, he was gonna extend him. And Kyle as a GM should have certain power or else he can't do his job. Dubis knows Pittsburgh is looking and possibly wants him , so he and his agent give the Leafs conditions and Shanny doesn't like them cause they over step into his space. Simple as that.
the thing that puzzles me is that Shanny ,with all his playoff success and Stanley Cups ,He of ALL people should know what it takes to win in the playoffs .
I think from a distance that while Shanahan is old school by nature-he felt like he needed to be open to new perspectives and thought he found that with Dubas.
Winning on a dynasty can skew reality. Guys like Bowman and Lidstrom are unique.
Bothers me why they don't just edit the first 3 minutes out of this video entirely after the fact, if it's absolutely nothing but "coming up" lol
The JT was a marketing signing. Which is a big problem with the leafs. They excel at everything connected to the brand fan experience blah blah but they fail at the most important thing which is winning in the playoffs.
I agree with kyp. Gord did great
"ON THE ICE!"
Played a stupid game. What Dubas did to the leafs can get you black-balled for future GM positions. The trenches analogy was a good one by Doug Maclean
He wanted to be the GM for more money 💰
Dubas is making more money annually than the average Joe in one lifetime.
He wanted to be president.
I guess the wife and kids said they want more money
Dubas' best move was moving on from Babcock... seemed nuts at the time, before e learned of the interpersonal issues there. They seen to work hard for Keefe
I’m good with it
I’m good with the Leafs making it 57 years with no Cups in 2024.
Gord has the thickest hair ever.
Maybe Douggy Gilmour?
I just can't help but wonder if Dubas did what he did so that he would get fired. He had to know after working around the hierarchy of the Leafs for 9 years that his comments would get him fired.
No way..... this was public suicide. He thought he was being smart.
Dubas was getting a 200k raise if the report of 4million in 5 years is correct