Would the Punisher Back the Blue?
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2019
- Lately, I've seen a lot of stickers mixing Punisher and Back the Blue logos. This bothers me and this video explains why.
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I want to clarify that I did a country accent for Chris Kyle because that's what he sounds like. I thought that by doing a voice, it would add production value. I brought Mattie on board because I was worried that doing a voice for Kyle and not Gerry Conway would make it look like I'm trying to make Kyle look bad. I think it's collaboration ended up separating the two main voices in the long quotes and is the best way I could have handled the video.
I also want to give a big thank you to the positive reception this video has received. I was worried about making a video that was a lot more overtly political than my normal content. I lost quite a few subscribers, but the positive comments (especially those from those in law enforcement and the military) confirm that this was a video worth making. I especially want to thank my new supporters on Patreon after this was made. You guys make this operation possible and I hope that my continued content is something worth your pledges.
Comic Drake I’d be interested in an Punisher elseworld where he goes after infamous serial killers like Zodiac, Manson, Jack the Ripper, etc. I mean he’s going to low life mobsters(who aren’t the worst) to Supervillains. Those types of villains aren’t shown much and those are the types of villains Punisher was meant to fight(pure evil people who get away with their actions) and if that means there wouldn’t be any story then make it a short else-world mini series.
Honestly, every point you made on this video are good points, but I think you forgot to add in the fact that innocent enforcers are also being killed in their homes by "Vigilantes," who should be wearing the Punisher symbol for what it represents
I would actually like to see more videos like this. Where you discuss the impact comics and it's heroes have on the real world
I just realized it would be far more appropriate for them to have Captain America's shield stylized with a blue stripe to represent the back the blue movement instead of the Punisher skull that I completely agree with you is inappropriate to be mashed up with that iconography
Punisher is a marine who killed members of his own unit because they were (among other things) killing enemy civilians. You don't think he would go after cops who were killing American civilians and getting away with it? Criminals who harm innocent civilians and are not punished by the system are exactly what he goes after, and uniforms do not stop him.
You're right
Yup. In fact, in the Jason Aaron run The Kingpin takes over the city and has it in his pocket. This makes the cops even more corrupt than usual and they wind up killing his old friend. The Punisher retaliates by torturing and killing the cop responsible. This makes the NYPD come down on him and after being nearly killed multiple times by the NYPD, he stops pulling his punches and starts killing cops.
@@ranfan1820 I'm also looking for that Punisher comic wherein Frank encountered Police officers who were Punisher fanboys - - Frank's fanboys. When Frank saw the sticker on the police vehicle he schools the cops to look up to Captain America instead. This event kind of stunned them and rips off the sticker.
Finnaly someone with a brain imma subscribe to you
It's mostly right because he only kills ruso because he was in on killing Frank's family
Nobody should forget that the Punisher would also horrifically murder any police officer that abuses his power, thinks they are above the law, beats up or murders civilians and then gets away scotch free.
So yeah I don’t think Frank would particularly care about supporting blue, his moto is more along the lines of *”You bad? Bullet”*
Don’t get me wrong, punishing someone that way without a trial is horrible. But that’s just what would happen.
Yep that's the irony of the symbol being used by law enforcement...Well a worst case scenario of hypocrisy really.
That’s what I was thinking and I barely read the punisher comic except for comic documentary.
Well, once a cop goes against the oath and they commit a crime they are no better than the day to day criminal.
Essentially, the argument can be made that they are worse because they are the ones tasked with prorecting those that can't protect themselves.
Its a great little bit of hypocrisy, by the very standards he holds everyone else up to he would have to kill himself.
I was just going to point this out.
This has aged like fine wine.
It’s rare for videos to remain topical for so long, except when its about this topic
Yep.
Wine that was never any good in the first place.
Indeed it has
It’s still aging deliciously
Watching this 6 months later and I found something really interesting. There’s a few pages in a Punisher comic where he’s stopped by the police and they recognize him. As they start fanboying over him, they show him a bumper sticker they have on their squad car of his logo. Frank pulls off the sticker and tell them that they represent something different from him and they shouldn’t be idolizing him and his ideals. Just a little in continuity addressing of this issue I thought was really important
As somebody who knows essentially nothing about the comic medium, when did this comic come out? I'm curious whether this may have been reactionary by the author, or independently thought up.
@@thoronbar it came out like last year, just more virtue signalling
@@tubeguy4066 not really virtue signaling, more of an author's take on law-enforcement adopting the logo of a legitimate murderer.
@@tubeguy4066 The co-creator of the Punisher literally came out against law enforcement using the logo. So this isn't just a corporate shilling.
he's a violent vigilante of course he views himself as different
Wasn’t there a comic in which Punisher that if cops wanted a role model, they should look at Captain America?
Yeah. It was in response to this issue that that was made from my understanding.
As someone who is Active Duty, thank you for putting into words how uncomfortable this iconography makes me feel. Using that skull as a representation of your ideals at face value seems tough and cool but there is the implication that you idolize the idea of working outside of the laws of armed combat, the enemy are still human beings. And when it comes to law enforcement at home, the ends should never justify the means... we are talking about fellow citizens. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It isn't the same as a weight lifter wearing the Master Roshi kanji on his orange tee or a track star wearing the Flash's lightning bolt. The connotations are so very different.
but don't you wish sometime you can administrate your own brand of justice towards the evil doers?
@@jontlchiu That train of thought never really enters my thoughts. Civil liberties are being trampled on in my city; good people living in fear. lmao But Seriously, I don't trust another analyst when in comes to my field of work. I like having myself questioned and my teammates providing "sanity checks". I don't want to take anything into my own hands simply for the fact that I can never truly know if I am in the right. The justice system may be a messy place, but I believe in there being systems in place for everyone to prove their innocence. When it comes to military matters it is just so important to only act for military necessity and limit unnecessary suffering, some guy going rogue isn't going to achieve that to me.
@@drunkenneko Yeah, I guess that is why we are normies, follow the rule and don't get out of the line. LOL
Did I find the linguists
True! You would expect soldiers to use Captain America's symbol though...
The Punisher represents the Judge, Jury, Executioner mentality that the police SHOULD NOT be modeling. The Punisher's symbol, used by police, symbolizes that they think police brutality is fine, whether they realize it or not.
Yea i agree i think why so many people idolize him is the fact his 2 most famous ver's of from the tv shows and early 2000 comics were he was shown to be a hero doing what had to be done unlike the other ver of him were being a petty criminal got you shot the tv shows and the comics that went with it shows him only attacking the worst of the worst amd people who harmed kids people didn't relize he's ment to be a horable person
@@bullishgroup8304 hes not honorable, intentions do not matter. and he's never ever "doing what has to be done" he's doing what he wants to do and thats murder.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305so you prefer a hero that doesn't kill? Even though they break the law by being vigilantes, encourage vigilantly activity from civilians, and beat perps into comas with there martial arts skills and high grade weapons?
Frank being a murderer is debatable, imo. If he kills a gang of sex trafficers or a serial killer, The Punisher is a murderer. But he wasn't a murderer when he was killing people the government told him to kill?
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305that’s not true
Punisher has worked with law enforcement in the previous movies. Punisher doesn’t like corrupted cops which makes sense. So yes punisher would back up cops as he has in the past.
[Looks at skull in his cop car]
-"Are we the baddies?"
Have you been listening to allied propaganda again?
Always remember, a rat ass is even worse
YES!
I get the joke. I just can't think of the comedians name.
@@davemarx7856 Michael and Webb
There is a reason why police badges resemble Shields. Police officers are not (or should not be) like the Punisher. They are to defend the innocent and apprehend criminals for the courts to decide their fate, only killing if they have no other choice. The Punisher character is fun and all, but I don't want him as a cop. (Unless he suddenly start following the proper rules and conduct that job MUST entail)
joshyfox1, yeah even as a kid, I was confused why so few movies about cops end in arrests. There’s a pretty weird idolization of only trusting yourself implied in this symbol. “I can’t trust my mayor or city council. I can’t trust my judge or attorneys. I can’t trust my fellow cops. I can only trust myself and my gun to truly end evil.”
He'd probably be one of the best cops on earth if he did. Its like deadpool's relationship with the X-Men, he'll work with them sometimes, but he hates following the rules. So he waits until they leave to start massacring people (usually)
If anything,the Punisher is an example of what happens when the systems break; when they become more of a sword, than a shield.
Damn it, if they had to emulate some Marvel character couldn't they just emulate Captain America? Everyone likes Captain America.
@@BlazingOwnager (Looks at Secret Empire) Yeah, that event was a black eye on the guy's character. Still not as bad as when the Illuminati wasn't punished for sending Hulk into Space...
I've been a fan of the character since I was about 15. Nearly 30 now.
Some of the.major themes of the best written Punished stories ilare he futility of his crusade and Frank being mentally unwell.
There are multiple instances throughout the years where he either tries to talk down or does talk down people attempting to follow in his footsteps.
I recall a conversation between Frank and Thor of all characters.
Thor respects Frank. He sees a warriors spirit in him but he also says
"I know your madness"
Thor: one must enjoy the finer things in life
Frank: The war is my life.
Thor: Then you fight for nothing
I agree. Also, Punisher is a good analogy for the soldiers that come home from war and keep fighting for something that doesn't exist.
@@littlebosaMusic so ptsd?
@@bulletopera409 I was thinking more along the lines of the fascist tale of a former glory that was robbed from us and the promise to return to it. Lots of vets in fascist circles, unfortunately.
Cop here. I actually got removed from a thread on FB a couple weeks back because I brought up the Punisher Thin Blue Line logo being the opposite of what we in Law Enforcement stand for. Believe it or not, there's a lot of good cops out there who want to serve the public. Don't let the few nut jobs get all the attention.
Yea but isn't it the good cops job to stop the bad cops? Aren't the good cops complicit with the bad cops when they know who they are and what they are doing, but don't stop them?
Seems to be a lot of bad cops doing things while "good" cops watch and say nothing.
Problem is that when the good cops try to do something against the bad ones they get killed or some other shit. Corruption is too fucking strong and there are people with too much power behind it.
As an outsider,I can tell you,as bad as the American corruption might be,it's nothing compared to Eastern Europe.If your country was/is under communism,it's kinda obvious why.
@@nolanmartin3573 I understand what you are trying to say here but think about OPs comment. He was that voice of dissent that you mention. They silenced him.
This is why I like the bat symbol more. Represents thorough detective work, diligence, top level tactical analytics and most importantly an absolute stance against lethal force
Which is why Batman tossing all that out and _becoming_ the Punisher is a stupid thing for people to ask for, Batman is literally a detective, not Judge Dredd.
@@autobotstarscream765 Too bad Snyder didn't get the memo
Say you missed and don't understand bat man, without saying it, what a dumb ass
@@wrestlinganime4life288
I read that in Heath Ledger’s voice for some reason
Speaking as the sister of a cop, I thank you for tackling this difficult issue tactfully. You've proven here why you're my favorite CZcamsr. It could have been very easy to just go off on a complete tangent with this video and made it very ugly. But you didn't. This is a fine example of people misunderstanding a character and just doing it to be popular or because it looks cool.
I'm sure in the comment section it'll be...well, interesting to put it politely, but I'm glad you've been civil, Drake.
I am terribly sorry for your friends' loss. There's not an excuse for it.
Amelia Davidson I mean the real reason why people picked up Punisher’s symbol was because of Chris Kyle
Amelia, I want to personally thank you for the call we had over Discord regarding this script. When I put it up for early access on Patreon, you concerns you raised we're definitely valid and I think that the changes ended up making this video a lot better and more nuanced.
@@tehn00bdude Actually, soldiers using comic book character symbols isn't a new thing or just particular to Chris Kyle. I had a friend in the Marines, his little group of friends called themselves the Howling Commandos. My brother's a corporal and his specific unit are apparently called the Reapers (Grim, not from Overwatch, though he says they get a lot of jokes from that game because of it). You have to take into account also that Frank Castle is seen by many as a very strong character, and they want to emulate that strength and brutality...and the fact this is taking place with the popularity of the Punisher Netflix series. Given the recent controversies with police and the rise of violence on both sides recently, I would argue that was a bigger influence than one sole person, whom many in the general public do not remember.
@@ComicDrake Drake, again, I just want to thank you for even taking my thoughts into considerations. I knew you were going to do a good job on this video after our talk, and yup, you knocked it out of the park. Thank you again for the dedication you put into your videos and being so wonderful in general.
tehn00b I think its more so of a skull thing. Death is always a fearful tool.
Wouldn't Captain America be better to back the blue feel his core ideas might aline with it more ?
Yes and no; Cap himself doesn't necesarilly back the institution all the time, just look at the civil war event. But on the other hand he is all protecting and serving so its hard to say. I'd probably guess that yes he'd back the blue but would have little to no issue calling out any of what he saw as improper behaviour.
That's a good point for civil war didn't think of that maybe it would be easier if we did look upon heros and just take their best ideas and mix them into our own rather then trying to aline them with any moment?
Cap fought Punisher in Civil War because villains tried joining Cap's side. Punisher killed them. Cap beat him up, *with Punisher refusing to defend himself or fight back.* He refused to fight back, because he held Cap with the utmost honor and respect, as Cap was what he wished he could be.
@Otto Coldbeer Yeah, I can see it. I can even see him making his way down to the courtroom in support for the family and to send a message that he's not okay with his symbol being used as it is.
@Otto Coldbeer because there are most good cops and that actually does the law and protect people while giving their lives? idk, its easy to find cops fighting crime on youtube. just because someone records police brutality, you don't have to generalize it.
Me: Who uploads a video at 3 am
Drake: oh boy 3 am!
...Yeah.
Doesn’t he have to be stupid elsewhere?
@@blbradford73 not until 4
Matthew Thompson 😂😂😂
Brian Bradford. Shut It!
I think it’s a little weird out of all the comic book characters to represent cops they picked Punisher. If you want a superhero to represent cops go with Captain America. Use an all blue shield. Plus no matter if you are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or smurf everyone loves Cap. Also Texan here I think the Texas National Anthem is more just Texas Pride showing than anything cult like. You know how prideful Texans can be of their state. I’m a little guilty of that too lol
JD 13, I think I’ve seen that for sale, but the Punisher is the one I’ve seen bought
I honestly thought all states had their own anthem
there is nothing wrong with taking pride from where you are
do you watch the video,he say that the one who begin the trend in the military,the one who actually read and know the meaning of the comic say they use the punisher skull as a logo to instill fear to the bad guy when theyre deployed on the battlefield
JD 13 ..... SteveRogers represents everything good and decent!. Truly moral so No! That would be a disrespect to the greatest hero ever!.
Can't wait to see these comments... *grabs popcorn*
Joker is this you
@kevin willems oh no oh my god
They have actually really civil so far. It's a bit weird.
The comments are overall positive
I feel that one point you missed, is how The Punisher would react to some of the cops that got off for murder.
That’s a conversation I had with a friend in the force that had it on his cruiser. As soon as they know that The Punisher could easily become a cop killer, they tend to remove his imagery real quick.
I'm a black comic fan from Brooklyn and I totally agree with you Comic Drake. Its topics like this is half the reason why I still read comics. It's not all fun and games.
Razz_Al _Ghull I’d be so uneasy if I saw a cop wearing Punisher shit dude.
Exactly. It's bad enough that many blacks see that black and blue flag as a symbol of lowkey racism(as it undermines the whole black lives matter movement by insinuating that cops are being killed without recieving justice), but when you see actual law enforcement morph that into a punisher skull it takes on a whole new meaning. It says a lot about where the mentality of this country is headed in the future.
@@ReeceHoward06 facts
@@Nassit-Gnuoy
Me too. Imagine a cop pulling up in a house. I'd freeze or fly.
In fact, the Punisher in the comics beat two cops for using his symbol. The Punisher removed his symbol from the squad cars.
Really🤣 I don't know why but the punisher coming out of no where and beating the shit out of 2 people for using his symbol is hilarious too me and would work in a spoof
@@mrjackelbox4418it be funny if the two people were just cosplaying characters from COD Ghost.
When the Punisher kills someone in comics we have already seen in the issue with our own eyes that the guy he killed is a bad guy. He is protected by the writers from making mistakes.
When a cop kills someone we find out after the fact that the victim might have possessed a small amount of drugs, had a bad driving record, or was a former criminal that had done their time. (Or they might literally be a paramedic that was sleeping because they were overworked in the greatest medical crisis in a century.) They scramble after the fact to justify murdering a person that might have made some mistakes and deserved their time in court.
There's a reason why one is a fantasy and the other has thousands of non criminals standing up to have cops face justice.
.....what?
This frustrates me so much because in the US it's the courts, not the police, that are responsible for legal punishment. The idea that having a badge means you get to decide who deserves punishment is super toxic.
Just one small tweek to this comment. It’s SUPPOSED to be the courts.
@@periodicgaming5159wait so your saying vigilantes and people who are supposed to help people shouldn’t kill people, but a group of people who discuss if person is guilty or not and decide what to do with the guilty with a punishment that fits the crime? What a strange idea.
Coming from Ireland, where our police very rarely carry firearms, seeing how heavily armed police are and how venerated cops and the military are is really quite scary. And the idea of them seeking to emulate the unrestrainedness of Frank only furthers that fear.
Yea. Our cops are hellbent on murdering us like in America. They are trained to see the civilians as enemy. They are at war or bring racial bias' with them to work.
I would like to input strong Amazon and Daemon Blackfyre, that your perception of law enforcement maybe distorted by only watching and reading news outlets that are blowing out of proportion, what is happening. if I could suggest checking out donut operator's CZcams channel you can see different situation and controversy through the point of view of a law enforcement officer.
@@eltorito6931
1000 People are killed each year by police officers.
Cops have killed more Americans since 2000 then ISIS, and other Islamic terrorists groups have.
And that includes being in two wars, and a terrorist attack that killed 3000 people.
John Cornwell, but with that number of killings, how many of those killing are justified or were they murdered?
Pedro Death is death especially when innocents are the favored target for the spread of any terror.
Man, getting recommend this in June 2020...
Oh hey! It's that shirt you were telling me about! Thanks for involving me on this one, it's a really interesting topic and it's great seeing it all broke. down like this.
Why use the punisher logo, when Cap's shield is more iconic.
Captain America's logo? Iconic? Lmaoooo
Frank actually brings this up with some of his fanboys (that are cops) in a recent comic.
@Otto Coldbeer The punisher only hates corrupt cops who use his symbol. He does NOT hate ALL police
Schizophrenia Himself He does hate it when they idolize him. That’s what he made clear.
@@Vraptor1 Duh
Honestly this was super informing and and extremely educational on the history behind the punisher logo as it relates to the military. I'm glad that I got a chance to see it and I'm formulating my own thoughts and cant wait to share this knowledge at appropriate scenarios.
The Punisher strikes me as the kind of guy who DOESN’T want people acting like him. He knows what he’s doing is wrong… he just does it anyways.
I honestly did not know you were a dallasite too (I was born in Baylor hospital and have never left). Dallas is certainly a...thing sometimes. Also thank you for your continued willingness to tackle controversial subjects. Please keep doing these and keep tackling subjects that are difficult or controversial.
Dude this is insane so am I! I love this lol
Glad to see another Dallas boi. Now go to sleep. It's almost three in the morning.
@@ComicDrake I tried for like 2 hours, insomnia... I have got to cut back on the soda four or five in one day is too much.
@@ComicDrake i wish i could but i got studying to do LOL have a good night!
Wait... you stayed at the hospital
being former military and supporter of law enforcement, I agree, the punisher should not be the representation of either. but then again, the punisher is the fantasy of what needed to be done outside of the normal operating procedures.
I think one of the biggest issues about this topic is that it's a symbol, and like all symbols it means different things to different people. For some people it is like you said, a fantasy, but for others it is a symbol of a murderer taking out who he thinks are the bad guys (and existing in fiction the Punisher is almost infallible on who he targets). I think that's one thing everyone should understand when discussing this topic instead of assigning their definition of the symbol to everyone else's beliefs.
I’d be interested in an Punisher elseworld where he goes after infamous serial killers like Zodiac, Manson, Jack the Ripper, etc. I mean he’s going to low life mobsters(who aren’t the worst) to Supervillains. Those types of villains aren’t shown much and those are the types of villains Punisher was meant to fight(pure evil people who get away with their actions) and if that means there wouldn’t be any story then make it a short else-world mini series.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Yeah, we all know in reality, there aren't anyone go after these people, and the Punisher is only a fantasy that the families of those victims would hope for, at least some Justice can be administrated towards the evil doers, but as we can also see, we lived in a society full of sheep, they would scream about just about anything, so no, anti hero like the Punisher would never be accepted if he/she is a real person.
My issue is the idea of that fantasy. It hinges on the idea that the system doesn't work and that the only way to do anything meaningful is to do it outside of said system. And that's a weird fantasy for someone that is a part of the system to have. It says in part that you don't believe in what you do. It says that the rules are only there to be broken instead of being there to remind us what we should be doing. I get it as escapism sure, but I don't get it embraced by people that are the system. It just does not really compute.
And yeah, no one goes after serial killers...tell it to the FBI agents that are risking their lives doing that every day. How do you figure these guys are getting into prison? They don't volunteer.
See, I was replying to your first comment and then I see your second. Sheep, huh. It must be really comforting in your "only I'm a person with thoughts and feelings bubble" people are out risking their lives all day everyday in this world, and most of them are doing it while following the rules. Be they rules of engagement, civil rights, malpractice laws, etc. And they do it in that fashion because the rules exist within a society to protect people and provide justice and not some bullshit emotional justice but the hopefully factual kind (hopefully, because no system comprised of people is perfect). You know outside of revenge. An Anti-hero like the Punisher wouldn't exist, because he'd be a freaking criminal and despite whatever good he might be doing, he'd equally be endangering the lives of the innocent and putting his boot squarely upon the neck of people's civil liberties, things that people in this country have fought and died for in this country for generations almost without end.
梵天丸 I just wanna see him go after these type of people and actually evil villains like Bullseye, Fisk, Green Goblin, Carnage, Arcade, Purple Man, Jeri Hogarth, Mariah Dillard, Vanessa Fisk, etc. I just want a series where he goes after actually pure evil people who aren’t low life mobsters
I think one of the appeals of The Punisher is the fact that people do feel that the system fails, letting perceived or known bad people escape some form of justice. For me as a long time fan of the punisher comics, the one I always tell people to read is "The Slavers" because it shines a light on one of the most disturbing industries that people ignore; human trafficking. In the book there ends up being a sort of catharsis that arises from seeing these villains torn to shreds for all the harm they do to people. It's a visceral, almost primal, sort of feeling. However, I agree with you that it's just fantasy and it's a way of expressing disillusionment or frustration with a system that often may feel broken to some. However, as you pointed out, people who see the Skull often assign their own meaning, and the fact that most want to put fear into their "enemy" is concerning because it dehumanizes the individuals on the other side of a conflict. While in the military this mentality makes sense, it makes much less sense and becomes incredibly problematic if the people vowing to protect and serve the community take on the Punisher Skull because citizens shouldn't be "the enemy." Yes, violence occurs and can escalate on either side, but the fact that fewer and fewer people are trusting of the police means the adoption of the Skull puts cops at odds with the people they are meant to serve. I know this is a long post, but as a fan I wanted to weigh in because your video was very well thought out and I appreciate the time you took to address this rising issue; especially because it's one that isn't in most people's perception.
The Right Hand of Doom I’d be interested in an Punisher elseworld where he goes after infamous serial killers like Zodiac, Manson, Jack the Ripper, etc. I mean he’s going to low life mobsters(who aren’t the most evil) to Supervillains. Those types of villains aren’t shown much and those are the types of villains Punisher was meant to fight(pure evil people who get away with their actions deserve to be handled by the Punisher) and villains like Bullseye, Fisk, Green Goblin, Carnage, Purple Man, Sabertooth, etc and if that means there wouldn’t be any story then make it a short else-world mini series it’s fine, just wanna see Punisher fight these types of villains. Great analysis anyways
I love The Punisher, he’s been my favorite “hero” since I was a child but I do agree that police officers and the military shouldn’t be using the skull, like you said Frank is a symbol of revenge and a unhinged soul that probably isn’t a good motto for officers and the military. I actually have a sweater with the Skull and whenever people see me they’re afraid to come up to me.thats the problem tho this skull is no longer just a symbol of “oh hey this is my favorite comic book character” it’s become a symbol of violence in the real world, which sucks cause it shows that not all people are able to keep things separate from reality. I personally know that whatever happens in the book stays in the book but others want to bring that type of shit into the real world which is honestly real fucked up and sad
*Slaps police car roof with punisher/thin blue line symbol* “This can fit so many dirty cops in it”
As a black nerd veteran, from the south, this video was so on point!! Thanks for that
I think people forget that the punisher just likes to kill people, as he discovered in war, felt empty with his family because he wasn’t killing, then when criminals killed his family took it as an excuse to start just killing people again. Granted he doesn’t kill people he thinks don’t deserve it, but never forget punisher is a crazy man that just likes to kill. Which is why half the time he is depicted as a villain, and when he isn’t a villain he’s an anti hero
Well he kinda does if he just killed anyone cause he likes it ghost rider would be able to use his death stare
That is Max’s version the earth 616 version is different somewhat
@@chandllerburse737 true, ive learned a little more about punisher since i made this comment lol
I hate when people steal something that claim they're not there's
The punisher is a vigilante, antihero a character with no way to stop
I think what happened wus the 2 most famous ver of punish wus the movie/ old show and the early 2000 comics were he was made a hero doing what had to be done with no other choice as he only attacked the worst of the worst (rapist, child abusers, drug lords) and they changed his back story to be a cop who had his family killed and after the criminal who killed his family got away thx to the court he turned his badge in and become the punisher
Thats a lot more "heroic" ver of the true punisher who will kill you for minor crimes
Alot of military and police know or when people say the punisher the ex-cop backstory pops in there head the one that protects people
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I saw a punisher skull with the British flag last week on a police officer’s shoulder badge. It is both cringey and scary since it says “I’m a badass and I don’t care for procedures”. Even with out that context, the skull is a symbol of death!
He said "FRANKly" at the beginning and I thought it was a PUNisher pun...
The whole punisher skull emblem on police vehicles and military gear is so cringe, pretty worrying too! What was the name of that group of military and police in the 1940s that wore skull emblems on their uniforms? It escapes me...
It is safe to say that the Punisher would not back the blue. The guy is willing to kill people for selling a dime bag and he has killed officers for taking bribes and covering for criminals. To the Punisher there are two sides: his side and the enemy side. Best thing to do is to stay out of his way.
GuardianBlackWolf13 I’d be interested in an Punisher elseworld where he goes after infamous serial killers like Zodiac, Manson, Jack the Ripper, etc. I mean he’s going to low life mobsters(who aren’t the worst) to Supervillains. Those types of villains aren’t shown much and those are the types of villains Punisher was meant to fight(pure evil people who get away with their actions) and if that means there wouldn’t be any story then make it a short else-world mini series.
Seriously. He killed an undercover cop in Punisher: War Zone. And he even tried to kill Spider-Man back in the old 90’s show when he turned into a monster. That episode was crazy considering that one of Spider-Man’s foes saved his life in that episode when The Punisher, a supposed hero to some people, was trying to murder him that whole time.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 That is a really great idea for a run of comic books featuring the Punisher and the outcome would be interesting as well. Would the people of those worlds view him as a hero or as a deranged man killing others with little to no proof.
GuardianBlackWolf13 yeah and he tackles even worse than usually does(which he was meant to do)
@@Nassit-Gnuoy I remember un another run of Punisher that he killed like five guards while in prison because he was after someone in there and they were corrupt. He was neverment to be a hero because he started off as a bounty hunter trying to kill Spiderman but fans really liked him so they turned him into a hero. He also tries to get heroes to see his point of view (like in the video with daredevil) and make them kill because he sees it as a better way.
The punisher is basically like a less high tech doomguy Who kills criminals instead of demons
I think part of his appeal is how unqiue his perspective is relative to other nerd properties. I think the reason military and law enforcemnt find appeal in it is the property because it has a lot to do with a fantasy where people gets what coming to them, specifically society and government that betrays the people tryinbg to protect them. It's not about what the punisher literally does at all, it's about a metaphorical spirit of justice
I think punisher _would_ support the police, but _would not_ support them idolizing him. Punisher would be supportive of the police as a whole, as they are the "correct" side of law enforcement, but he would be against those on that side, endorsing the actions, or the symbolism of the punisher.
So the question shouldn't be "would the punisher back the blue?" As the answer would be yes all day. The question would be far closer to "should the blue assimilate the symbol of the punisher?" To which the answer would be no all day.
Don’t forget Frank views all police as the cause of his family dying, he doesn’t support the law and doesn’t care about supporting them. He’s not out to protect people like cops are meant to do, he’s a killer plain and simple.
@@saturnitetoaster8310 kinda my point, punisher does what the law either cannot, or will not do, but at several points, it's been shown that he does not really hate them, he just doesn't listen to them.
it's a wierd relationship.
I think you approached a very controversial topic in a rather tactful way.
I think the Punisher is a fine example of character that you can enjoy, and even root for, but isn’t a role model. Not every character needs to be a role model, even superheroes. I love the film “Taxi Driver”, but I don’t think Travis Bickle is someone to be admired. In the Punisher’s own words he is a murderer, and not someone to be looked up to. Any cop that actually values the ideals they were sworn to protect would arrest Frank Castle on sight.
Exactly, it's intriguing fiction but exactly that: fiction. Frank Castle would be a monster in real life, and I don't think anyone who works (well) with the character would dispute that
Do people not know what a Momento Mori is? Frank Castle wears it on his shirt/ bullet proof vest for a reason
I think a better representation for police officers and army officers would be Captain America. This is because Steve Rogers and all others who have taken the mantle of Captain America represent American Ideals.
This is why I believe Jon Betrothal's role as The Punisher is the best, I think if people support The Punisher as much as I have seen, then I hope its enough to avoid its cancellation. The show does enough to equalise opinions, they acknowledge that what he does is wrong and its a constant reminder, but at the same time you understand it (or atleast I do). The Punisher respects what Daredevil does, that he wont take a life no matter how bad, Daredevil understands where Frank is coming from. The Punisher doesn't back anyone but himself, he see's wrong he takes a stand, no matter what side your on. He may respect your duty, he may understand your pain, but don't think for a second he wont put you to the ground if you step out of line. The former soldiers who sided with Billy in season 2 should be a prime example of that, so should Lewis Wallcott in season 1. All I hope for is this show not to be cancelled, but if Jon is at peace with whatever decision made, then all I can say is I am so glad someone did The Punisher "Justice".
It's June 2020 and this popped up as a recommended video
It's videos like this make me wish there was a "sort by controversial" option
Marines view Frank Castle as a badass because of his Marine background and his capabilities. He doesnt have superpowers, he's just a Marine. It doesn't go much deeper than that for a lot of us.
It really is a shame. The skull looks cool as hell
did Alfred Pennyworth orchestrate the deaths of Thomas & Martha Wayne so that he could forge Bruce into a soldier of justice and truth???
No
What if Joe Chill is a time displaced Batman who has to kill the Waynes in order to create himself?
Colonel Arkham No
Either one of these theories would make Batman less of a snoozefest.
Faic Legion, either one of those theories would make Bruce a pawn instead of someone who made a choice
Due process: (exists)
The punisher: “I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that”
Great video Drake
God this is a good ass video 👏👏👏👏👏
Nope it wad dumb
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kek another hick trying to co-opt nerd culture
@@houstonhensley9324 wad dumb huh
...One year later, it's all coming together.
Cool to see this pop up in my recommended during these times
if someone didnt know what the punisher is, theyd just be seeing a death skull decal on a police car, and that would make people uncomfortable for sure
I've always found it amusing that Gerry Conway doesn't understand the appeal of the character he created. He intended the Punisher to be a villain, but it came out during the 1970's crime wave when support for the death penalty skyrocketed from less than 40% to over 80%. Punisher, Death Wish, Dirty Harry - these works of fiction resonated with the people.
This video should have worried me more when it came out. Just look at where the country is now
It’s fine now wym
I was born and lived the first 12 years of my life in the DFW area, and I literally never heard of a "Texas Anthem" before.
Punisher is a serial killer that tells himself that its fine because they're bad guys.
When I clicked on this vid, I thought this was about the What If universe where Civil War never ended and Cap and Tony split the U.S. into 2 different countries, The Iron and The Blue
Law enforcement do NOT have the right to use the iconic PUNISHER skull logo ! That right belongs to ONLY Frank Castle himself... the one and true "PUNISHER 💀" !
When it comes to this the police and military’s obsession with the Punisher I’m reminded of this quote from the Dark Knight Returns, “You say you answer to some sort of authority. They only want me dead because I'm an embarrassment. Because I do what they can't. What kind of authority is that?”
Frank Castle is a fascinating character especially in stories like Marvel Knights and Punisher black but, he is not a hero. Never was never will be. He believes there is no redemption. There is no trial. There is no escape. He is terrifying as an idea.
If The Punisher used magic powers, or some kind of superhuman energy ray, etc., as his means of dispensing justice and destroying bad guys, police officers and military personnel would never use the logo. The only reason why, mostly, as I would hazard a guess to, is because The Punisher uses firearms. As basic as that sounds, it's likely the main reason. The skull is just a cherry on top, as it could have been a crossed out smiley face, and LE and military would have used that instead.
as a person of color who grew up wittnessing police brutality and harrassed by cops, this is very scary. but as someone who loves and admires frank castle as a morally ambiguous antihero, i think it's hilarious because if he were real he would kill corrupt cops without hesitation. also if i remember right, frank isn't a big fan of cops or the justice system. he wouldn't be a vigilante if he had faith in them and he would probably feel the same level of discomfort as us if he saw them using his logo and lauding his tactics which he himself acknowledges are extreme and illegal. the cops who are adopting his methods would canonically be villains in the marvel universe.
I honestly think that Marvel should make a Punisher story that tackles this issue. It'd be an interesting book to say the least.
Btw, I agree wholeheartedly. It's VERY scary.
Erik Jones Exactly, if Frank were real, he would be killing cops too, corrupt cops but still cops. It’s scary to know that the “I want to be a gun toting badass” mentality has overshadowed “to serve and protect” by some law enforcement.
I don't understand why they didn't go with a more fitting hero in Captain America or someone of his standing. Cap is a mostly law abiding man fighting for the little guy, the same thing as police officers. Plus caps logo already works well with the Blue Line's color scheme.
Fantastic video, I loved every bit of well-backed evidence you had, both from comics and real life. I'm glad you're still putting together great comic content after the rough times you've had over the past few years with youtube
The punisher would deadass piss on someone using his logo before he kills em
Cops who wear this logo should embrace being attacked on a traffic stop because that's exactly what Frank Castle would do. While Castle doesn't necessarily hate cops, he also has no intention of letting them interfere with his goals.
I’m the Ultimate comics Frank was an Ex-Cop who’s family was killed by Corrupt Cops, so I don’t think he would be cool with the Cops
I had watched a few of your videos before and enjoyed them immensely but this video got you another subscriber. Really amazing, well researched, and something not enough people are talking about. 👏🏽 bravo! Love that the comic book community is having these conversations
I wanna say looking back on this video it has a lot of relevance now and shines light on a larger issue of law enforcement misunderstanding and abusing their role in society.
The blue line flag is also breaking the USA’s own flag code.
So is BLM then?
I am so happy you’re one of my favorite you tubers. It’s the best when you discuss larger societal topics through comics. This is super educational and necessary. Thank you. Srsly
You hit the nail on the head over and over again with this video. One of my favorites you've done. Great work!
Punisher symbol is the one badass symbols i seen in comics
In a word, holy fucking shit hell no he wouldn’t they are literally what he hates omg what.....okay that’s many words but you get it
This is your best video yet Drake! I hope you do more like this in the future.
There were a MULTITUDE of problems with the Secret Empire event, and I'm not here to defend. But there was 1 creative choice I especially like: Punisher joined Hydra when they promised a totalitarian state that would crack down on crime. That fits his mentality. I don't know if they backpedaled on that with his characterization after the event, but I still like that detail.
In my opinion, The Punisher logo makes sense being used specifically in military special forces, like the Navy SEALS, or maybe even the Marines considering Frank himself was a Marine. Specifically, I don't see a problem with the punisher logo being used with "terrorist killers" the people that hunt down people like Osama bin laden, Saddam Hussein etc. Because it invokes fear in the enemy, it makes sense to me that Chris Kyle would use the logo considering what they did, and I don't really personally see a problem with it. That being said, the police should not be using such a logo. Frank Castle kills criminals. He kills criminals that need to die, he kills human traffickers, pedophiles, mafia members. Real life police are killing innocent civilians, these people don't deserve to die. If anything the police should use the Captain America shield as their logo, the police are supposed to protect the innocent, protect and serve. I find that to be a completely different job than being a marine or a special forces soldier, the police are supposed to keep us safe from each other, the Marines and SEALS are supposed to keep us safe from terrorists.
This was an excellent video. Thank you so much for your mature and tactful conversation on such topic.
"FRANKly, it's a little scary." I see what you did there . . .
Great video, Drake!
Its always cool to hear how aspects of comics get adopted and integrated into social customs and tendencies, and I think you did an AWESOME job being both analytical and respectful
Asking if punisher would back the blue is like asking if hank hill would vote for trump
Uhhh would he
@@dias8726 no, hank is a man of integrity, his dog is named after a Democrat and he backed away from his vote for Bush cause he didn't like his handshake
@@skeleboi8507 ahh kk never watched the show lol
Awesome video Drake. The punisher in one of his origin stories (the punisher year one) only takes up vigilante justice becasue the police were in the pocket of the mob. Like it has been said, he is an indictment of a broken system and the failures of law enforcement or the armed forces.
This video aged like fine wine
One of your best vids yet. I love the videos that actually dig deep into the politics of comics and how they affect or intertwine with our own (as they often do).
Very relevant a year and a half later.
Thank you for talking about this I feel like a crazy person when thoughts like this go through my head and when I try to explain it to others they say that I am looking too much into it or over thinking it.
The Punisher always respected the police, it was the dishonest cops that he would go to war with. I remember some comics from the 90's where Castle was pinned down by the police and he surrendered to them rather than fight even though he knew he could win.
This is an amazing video! You’re ability to articulate your opinion without being offensive to the other side’s views was masterful.. you’ve gained my subscription
The logo represents a failure of the policing system. Displaying it on a cop car essentially admits that the system they represent is broken and they will break the law possibly beating you and or killing you to get the job done. This is not what modern law enforcement should be about and that mindset is not only misguided but the opposite of the American ideal. not only a bad ideal but also very dangerous for an average citizen who doesn't want to live in nazi America and doesn't want to be oppressed by their so called protectors or shot or beaten to death for having an unpopular opinion.
Hey man, great video! You handled a sensitive topic with a level head and a ton of professionalism, and any hate you get in these comments is gonna be from people who missed the point entirely. Don’t give them the attention they crave.
Jacob Sanford I’d be interested in an Punisher elseworld where he goes after infamous serial killers like Zodiac, Manson, Jack the Ripper, etc. I mean he’s going to low life mobsters(who aren’t the worst) to Supervillains. Those types of villains aren’t shown much and those are the types of villains Punisher was meant to fight(pure evil people who get away with their actions) and if that means there wouldn’t be any story then make it a short else-world mini series.
And Frank himself HATES when law enforcement looks up to him. As he says, *they* took an oath to Protect and Serve. The have to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you want a vigilante to look up to, says he, let me introduce you to a nice gentleman with a shield, or the one wearing red with horns, or the guy in red and blue who believes in Great Responsibility.
This is one of the most thought provoking comic video essays I have ever seen.