The REAL Reason Lebron Will NEVER Surpass Jordan
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Somehow James harden got fouled in this video
4 point play
LMAO
For real though
Lebron James Harden 🤔
LMAO!!! Bruh!
You forgot to mention he left to play baseball and returned to win 3 more rings lmao.
Suspensed for gambling but called it a break for the PR, Stern had his back
With a great bulls team yes.
Uchiha Madara they were not great, they were just good
@@itsdavidfr2594 Jordanites would make all sort of alibis so as not to make their god look bad 😂 keep tryin'
Matt Lombo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS FUNNY
Kobe is the only one that can surpass my work ethic and mentality
-MJ
Kobe is the 2nd GOAT. Change my mind (MJ is the GOAT).
My top 3
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3.Lebron
1:MJ
2:Between Magic and Kobe
3:LeBron or Kareem
MJ never said that.
1mj 2 LeBron 3 Kobe
"You don't get to call yourself a GOAT. You let your peers call you that." - Scottie Pippen
And Jordan never called himself that because he respect those players who played before him.
And James does flops. MJ never did that. That's another reason why MJ is THE GOAT. NBA before is so physical compared to today's NBA. When you get fouled before it is because it's real. Now? Some players including James, pretends getting hurt even if its very obvious that they were not even hit
thats not lebrons fault that the rules have changed plus lebron has already surpassed mike and it doesnt matter has many rings MJ has he brought the cleveland cavaliers to a championship which is a way worse team than the bulls that mike lead
thunderflash O7 MJ >
I don’t even agree that lebron is better than Jordan, but you wrong my dude, Jordan had said he thinks he’s the greatest player ever
Ironically pippen himself later said bron has surpassed Jordan
@@S1raajthabest find someone who will believe to your foolishness
If your reading this i hope you have a successful life
Thanks bro
Lit
Thank you, because of this comment it is now 100% guaranteed
I didn’t do this for the likes i just wanna inspire people
Best comment I've ever seen. Simple yet powerful. ty and you too Chelsea have a successful life
You forgot that MJ makes free throws with his eyes closed. Lebron Barely Makes them with both eyes open.
MJ closed his eyes just to troll Mutombo, cause MJ knows he can shoot freethrows in his sleep while Bron probably needs to pray in every clutch free throws.
IKR😂😂😂
John Mcgee and MJ IS 6-6 in finals. Never lost, never saw a game 7.
John Mcgee never choke
John Mcgee and tell me what playoff season did jordan shot 77%?
Jordan only played 13 full seasons for The Bulls. He missed almost all of his second season through injury and still got ten scoring titles. That's basically ten out of twelve where he was top scorer and nine out of twelve where he was all defensive first team. and 2 threepeates with 6 finals MVP's. How can this guys goat status be doubted?
His only competition for the GOAT is Bill Russell and Lebron
I can say as a Celtics fan since 1981. I have seen them all. I watched Jordan's entire career. I've seen LeBron his entire career. Guys, just stop. Trust me. I am no Bulls fan. If you actually watched both players during their careers this isn't a debate. Jordan was superior by more than you think. Honestly, LeBron is great. Fantastic. All time great. He's not Jordan. Never was. Never will be. Don't listen to Shannon Sharpe, or Nick Wright.. they have zero credibility.
lil nug wilt was better than lebron. But you’re right about mj, there will never be another mj.
WhatIfFloyd WasWhite Kobe?
lil nug Kobe is literally Mj
I never got to watch him but my dad did and he said Jordan is better
Evan Walker Jordan has more MVPs and championships and better stats
LeBron lost his chance to become the GOAT when he lost to the Mavs back in 2011 and became outscored by Jason Terry.
Ok boomer
OuTsCoReD By JaSoN TeRrY. You all blame LeBron James for choking in the 2011 Finals. What about the “clutches player of all time”, Michael Jordan? this list might explain why Michael Jordan wasn’t so significantly clutch.
1986 R1 G3 19 points 40%
1987 R1 G3 8/30 shooting
1989 ECF series tied 2-2 away game Jordan takes 8 shots the whole game going 4/8
1989 R2 G2 6/19
1990 R1 G4 6/20
1990 ECF G2 5/19
1990 ECF G7 11/28
1991 Finals G3 10/27
1992 R2 G6 9/25
1992 ECF G2 6/22
1992 ECF G6 10/27
1992 Finals G4 11/26
1993ECFG1 10/27 2reb 4ast
1993 ECF G2 12/32
1993 ECF G3 3/18
1993 ECF G6 8/24
1993 Finals G3 57min 44 points on 43 shots👌
1995 R1 G4 8/24
1995 R2 G1 8/25
1995 R2 G4 9/24
1996 R2 G1 14/35
1996 R2 G2 7/23
1996 R2 G3 15/35
1996 ECF G3 5/14 6reb 2ast
1996 Finals G2 9/23
1996 Finals G4 6/19
1996 Finals G6 5/19
1997 R2 G3 7/20
1997 R2 G5 8/23
1997 ECF G2 4/15 6reb 3ast
1997 Finals G3 9/22
1997 Finals G4 10/27
1998 R1 G1 11/27
1998 ECF G1 11/28
1998 ECF G3 9/22
1998 ECF G7 9/25!
1998 Finals G2 14/33
1998 Final G3 7/14 3reb 2ast
1998 Finals G5 9/26
1998 Finals G6 15/35
Jordan faced a tougher defense in every game you listed than LeBron and his superteam Heat faced against the old Mavs.
Zamppa86 hahaha 😂 zone defense didn’t even existed back than, and all of the nineties defenders are suck so no one could guard mj... mj wouldn’t survive the skill era of the ‘00-‘20
Claiming "MJ would not survive the 00-20 era" just proved you know nothing about basketball or simply are way too young to know and understand.
The era when MJ played, 80s and 90s, was dominated by big men, centers ruled the league. There was physicality and real defense. Smaller players were punished physically when they drove to the paint. Contacts were allowed. Hand checking was allowed. Yet still MJ managed to score the most points and did it efficiently. It was 'unnatural' for a shooting guard to score with above 50 % shooting during that time but MJ did it. His averages also went up during the playoffs but of course he aswell had bad games as he was also just a human. The best basketball player of all time but still human.
This "skill era" as you call it began around 2003 when less contact was allowed and hand checking became prohobited. NBA did this because they wanted more scoring and highlights to sell more tickets and to get more money. That made it easier for guards to score and harder to defend when less and less contact was allowed.
MJ averaged 35 ppg and 37 ppg efficiently at the late 80s when contact was allowed much more and hand checking was allowed along with real paint protection. So don't come claiming he would not survive this era :D Several former players have announced that MJ would average 40 ppg during this softer era.
Your claim has now been totally destroyed.
People never mention the defense as much as they should, defense is half of the whole game. Imagine being absolutely feared on both ends of the court for almost a whole career. MJ would lock up whoever he was defending and easily put up 30 points. Even if his efficiency was lower than Lebron's, his defense would make up for it by creating turnovers for the opponents and more points for his team. The Bulls in the MJ era were known for being an unreal defense and that's how they got a lot of points, but also imagine MJ averaging 35+ ppg while also wreaking havoc on the defensive side as well.
His field goal percentage was less than a percent below Lebron. For a guy scoring 30 a game, that is negligible
Agreed, led the league in steals 3 times. 9 time all defensive team , ... that’s nuts on defense man.
After 2011 nba finals lebron would never be the goat
Thinojan Sriranjan well I’m not a LeBron fan and Jordan had to overcome the Pistons before he could win. He could have made up for it and he has but not up to the degree to be in contention with Jordan.
Tyler Weems Jordan wasn’t outscored by a roleplayer like Lebron was
You know KOBE was SWEPT by this same Mavs team, right? They also beat OKC with KD, Harden, and Westbrook. Don't sleep on the Mavs.
@@Phoenix-pm2qr dude that heat team was heavily favored to win that series
So what about 2016 and being down 3-1
Jordan had to retire 3 times for this to even be a DISCUSSION
TwArDxL people use that as an argument . That was his choice to retire three times. So if lebron chose to retire 10 times. People in the future would say well he did retire 10 times right? So he should if won more rings no that’s an invalid argument next!
Wave City lebron can do whatever he wants but what Jordan did in 11 years wit the bulls is untouchable the fact he retired 3 times and it’s still the way it is, is sum 🐐 shit so like I said if he doesn’t ever retire lebron isn’t even talked about I got lebron top 5 but not near Jordan
@@SILMANTV good point
So what? If he didn't maybe we all would believe that he is the goat but did he retire? Yes , so this comment its stupid
TwArDxL If MJ didn't retire 3 times, I'm sure he'd be an 8-time champion. He'd win in '94 and '95.
There's a big difference between Greatest of this Era and Greatest of all Time.
rayrza2 delete this before bronsexuals see this
He's (LEBROOM) not even the greatest in this era!
N21 dont waiste your time arguing with idiotic ignorance, if they can’t see that Lebron is the greatest of this era they just simply don’t watch basketball
RcDw Yeah Lebron is the greatest of this era but definitely not the greatest of all time
Phaminator there is no greatest of all time too many eras different rules different playstyle. Centers weren’t shooting 3s like that in the 80s and 90s now almost every center can shoot 3s.
Honestly I think Kobe and lebron is a better matchup Jordan is just on a whole different level
Agreed
Agreed
Kobe is on another level than LeBron.
He's not even the best Laker of all-time 🤣🤣🤣
@@FalseOracle617 Stop it
I'm not sure LeBron is 'faster' than Jordan. Stronger: yes. Faster: not sure??
Lebron being faster than MJ is media narrative. Does anyone know what's James' 40m sprint time?
Eric Van James I promise Lebron James is faster than MJ lol, man was made in a lab
He is, he used to play football is 40-yard dash was quite impressive so yeah. ( And he wasn't in his prime.)
@@uchihamadara2329 What was his 40? Jordan ran a 4.3 40m.
Definitely not faster
Can he stop Jason Terry?
😆
He dunked on Jason terry
@@yessirkilo7017 at least terry didn't "CHOKE". 🤭🤭🤭
@@yessirkilo7017 no he didn't dunk on Jason Terry you bronsexual, that was a 3 vs 1 fast break where Terry had to guard leflop and 3 of his teammates, not impressive at all, leflop couldn't even guard Jason Terry as Terry drove by lebron scoring lay up after lay up as leflop stood there embarrassed and defenseless, leflop only averaged 17 points per game to Terry's 18 and Terry averaged 11 less minutes of playing time than leflop, enough said
MJ changed the game. LBJ changed the entire Lakers Roster, and.. maybe the coach too?
@Patrick Lorei '19 cry kid
@Patrick Lorei '19 Jordan 4-0 Shaq and Penny in 1996.
Lindon b Johnson? Yeah is more qualified than Leprechaun James.
@Patrick Lorei '19 MJ changed the game. You see how players play today? Yeah, they came from MJ, AI, Shaq, etc.
Jordan didn’t change shit, dude your just stupid. He still has the best selling ssneakers. When did he play last?
MJ retired 3 times he still had like 4-5 years in his prime he could’ve played imagine what he could’ve accomplished.
not really,by then MJ games already declined
I really think 2 three peat is enough
if MJ continued playing he will severely damage his career since,hes the goat in his prime but out of it hes just another super star
@@alexjames6412 MJ literally win everything possible. He was bigger than the nba, winning more don't even make sense. It like GSW if we add KD they were unbeateable and the game lose its sense. When MJ first come back, he was some old, but with his team they was too strong because he was like Mozart among musicians. After a second 3peat, why staying ? It's like Bill Russel, Kobe and Duncan, after 5 titles what does it matter. Bill 11 maybe 7 or 8 is enough to understand they was no competition there...
@@baudrex not really,they retires due to old age or their games has declined greatly
I already knew he wasn't the "Goat" but when he said "that one made me the greatest ever" it cemented his legacy as the "Donkey". This shouldn't even be a discussion anymore!!
No LeBron goat
@@damebandwagon4323 why? Lebron not even in the top 5
@@peer2k408 delusional
Wasting your time bro. Everyone already knows Jordan is the greatest.
Every player has confidence in themselves to become a top pro. LeBron is entitled to think he’s great, he’s done a lot.
Entitled yes, saying it well thaths another thing
Incorrect
Why do people continue to say Lebron is faster...he’s 50 lbs heavier, I doubt he’s faster than MJ. People also say LBJ jumps higher, even though Jordan has him beat by 4 inches...just saying.
They say this because they watch him in the open court. MJ is much quicker/faster.
kcire10 10 agreed, it’s easy to look fast when you’re in transition. I think you could also reason that cameras 20-30 years ago couldn’t quite capture the speed of the game, which is why games appeared slower back then!
Why they say he's faster is bcse of his height & weight and the way he moves comparing him to the fct tht this era of players tend to be on the same level for say while in MJ's era he played against a lot of White Dudes who we wud always say aren't ready for this shit but imagine wen comparing the LeBron Lovers pull out all the stops and only speak abt " STATISTICS " but on the nxt end wen comparing the MJ Lovers just speak abt " FACTS ". Flu Game, Never Been Swept, Slam Dunk Champion x 2, Plain out Greater Offensive & Defensive Player, Never Quits whether Win or Lose, Never let's the Media Shake his play in which I've seen them change the play of both Kobe & LBJ, I mean come on Guys we're still going thru this Debate aftr wht we've seen over the last Couple Yrs of LBJ in the NBA. He went bck to Cleveland and Lost then all of a sudden he becomes GOD bcse he the same Team tht beat him the yr b4 a mean just bcse they had broken the NBA's all time Regular Season Winning Record ok cool but hey the following year he got beat by the same team in 6 games and the yr aftr he got " SWEPT " by the same Team then he left Cleveland for LA and cudnt even make it to the Playoffs and y'all still comparing. Come On Guys Y'all Need To Stop This Shit OK
MJ all day every day any day anywhere any time .
Lebron has a 44 inch vertical wtf is wrong with you💀😂 MJ doesent have a 48 inch vertical
@@LonnieReacts MJ has 46-48 his measure was on college. Still a better athlete than Leavebron
Jordan is the GOAT....PERIOD.
Teue
Imagine thinking LeBron is the goat...
@@matthewpranata804 Imagine being a Jordan sexual.1-9 with 3 straight first round exits.
The boss man Seriously? Imagine being 3-9 on the biggest stage with 2 other all stars on your team. Imagine trying to say being 1-9 in the 1st round is comparable to losing on the biggest stage, and then trying to say Jordan fans are sexuals when they’re just using facts and common sense.
@@baldhead7759 Jordan had a superteam that won 55 games without him and 57 with him. Lebrons Cavs won 61 with him and 19 without him. Don't compare
America ... first of all. He will “NEVER” be in the neighborhood of “MJ-23”.
As far as I know, Jordan never encouraged players to join his teAm just to win an nba championship.
Cause he didn’t have to
Jordan's gm's did that shit.
@@Sam-tj9npThat is good if it is true which it seems
Ironically, there were quite a few times MJ was pissed at decisions the GMs made and just had to deal. He didn’t like it when they traded Oakley, picked up Kukoc (I mean him and Scottie made it their personal mission to embarrass him at the Olympics after hearing he might come on the team), and especially Rodman (the pistons need I say more). Also keep in mind, when Jordan came to Chicago Bulls, the basketball team was so bad that the soccer team was getting a bigger draw at the stadium (no offense to soccer but you get my point). MJ worked with what he got whether he liked it or not and actually made his team better (compare the bulls without Jordan compared to Lebrons teams when he leaves). Lebron has had more control over his team than any other player in the NBA yet he still has excuses about how he doesn’t have a good enough team despite creating super team after super team. Lebron should listen to Nike and just do it instead of making excuses.
Get ready for a hole bunch of dislike from LeBron fans 😂
What your point
@@jhyquaviousshavers9400 do I really need to tell you what my point is because I think it's obvious if you read my comment
damb right
I'm a Lebron fan but its Austin dude
Michael Jordan has never carried a team by himself and lebron did that last year just because lebron doesn't have as many rings as michael don't mean nun bill russell has 11 and tbh if that's what yall goin by bill is better than mike soooo
One important point gets overlooked all the time:
Jordan pushed his teammates like hell. Some former co-players say the training was even tougher competition than the games. Jordan MADE the bulls become great. He MADE a very good and talented Pippen, and others, great.
Those guys had to compete with him. „Get to my work ethics level, or get off my floor!“
So the Bulls had a great season when he left. They had the best possible training, all the time.
...Lebron is more the „lean back, relax, I got this“ type. So, of course, his mates don‘t thrive.
That's true,during Pippen retirement ceremony Phil said,Mike gave his teammates hell on practice,while Scottie a only pat on the back hahaha But that's why they succeed
No Lebron pushed his teammates kyrie even said it and dwane wade too
Exactly zett
@@Jaoken they were allstar already
Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king
Im pretty sure in the Bible God says "i am the lord your god" many times.
@@Sam-tj9np well is god man
The mistake of people and media is that Mj should be compared to Kobe, Magic, Bill Rusell, Wilt and maybe others.
This lbj vs Mj is basically like comparing a kia vs a Lexus :/
Fher 23 ???
Fher 23 It’s more like comparing a Mercedes to a Rolls Royce. They are both great and amazing, but the Rolls Royce has little more worth.
Seriously y do u hate lebron so much
@@domination4892 yes, better analogy yes.
Dude MJ changed the game lol
And LBJ changed the players
Soooooooo......
Mj still the goat
Zebra Gamer so curry the GOAT?? Ok
But changing the players is changing the game factttttttttttts
gordon gund/dan gilbert vs krause and reinsdorf
@@nickmeadows4414 yeah...when he's playing and his team won, he takes all credit
But when.he's not playing...all his team mate get blamed for losing a match
Changed the game? How?
Jordsn ran to the gym when things got tough.
Lebron ran to another team.
Facts youngsters, it is what it is. Jordan the 🐐
David Gurganus different situations and circumstances his first stint in cle the gm gave him nothing to stop the big three boston celtics
we all would’ve left that team after 7-8 years of no help
As a Lebron fan, I completely agree with the fact that Jordan is the goat. Cause he is a better two-way player, better clutch player(Lebron is more clutch than people think). But Jordan is the most legitimate one who has almost no meltdowns, far more accolades and team sucess. But one reason I can't endure is to say Lebron formed a superteam. Cause if Lebron's team is a superteam, than Jordan's Bulls which gain more sucess is a super super super team. Plus, Jordan teams are usually the favorites in playoffs despite the first few years. But the only time Lebron's team has been the obvious favorite is in 2011 and 2013 and he chokes in 2011 which I am sill mad of and 2013. I mean if you compare (Jordan's team vs his opponent) vs (Lebron's team vs his opponent), Lebron is in the downside more.
That is so true lol
Hahaha.ur right.
@Donovan Torres mj threatened to leave several times stop this shit
And real goats don't call themselves the best, mj never said he's the greatest even tho he's got the right to say it, he's had all the other greats call him the best
He did say it once
@@nbathekid4509 nope but all the greatest always said it about him that's the difference mj didn't have to brag on himself
@@mscottlawrence2037 yeah he called himself the goat before, not saying he isn't but you gotta actually look at the facts
He says it ALL the time. WTF are you talking about
Being humble has nothing to do with the argument of who the goat is
The real Reason Lebron Will never Surpass Jordan fits in 1 simple word : ATTITUDE.
One has a winner's mentality and attitude, the other one's got that of a quitter.
Amen to that!
Goats and Chickens don't share the same skin.
MJ is 🐐
But LeBron he's the COAT 🧥
The chicken 🐔 of all time.
u are damn right
Respect greatness. You can push mj up without pushing lebron down. By no means is lebron the goat, but calling him chicken is plain stupid. He was an amazing player, and we shouldn’t criticize him because he is the only way to make this goat conversation interesting
@Mr. Layth Adrian I'd put Larry and Kobe on equal footing to MJ when it comes to the will to win.
LeBron isn't faster. He runs a 4.6 and Jordan ran a 4.3
The LeBron more athletic argument doesnt hold water either.
1. He's not faster than MJ
2. He doesnt have a quicker 1st step than MJ.
3. MJ great leaper off both one leg and two legs. LeBron just off one leg.
4. Lebron's strength shows in transition, but his low post game weaker than MJs. He even had to go take post up lessons from Olajuwon. Facts.
Case closed.
MJ has the highest recorded vertical in the NBA...48"
5. Lebron can't walk on air like MJ
6. He doesn't have the original mamba mentality
7. Lebron is not a reliable free throw shooter in the clutch like MJ
Agreed my man. Absolutely truth!
Preach
@@kirkcallanta1285 8. LeBron can't shoot free throws 😂
Lebron is a good player but Michael Jordan is the greatest player in history of NBA. Why? You can see how he play its different to lebron. Michael Jordan can shoot everywhere and no fear to drive inside. His mentality and high IQ tnats why M.J. is the GOAT Period.
plus LBJ has bad footwork, suspect handles...and he is super stiff...and shoots sideways...its painful for me to watch sometimes
LeBron can do anything finish lobs logo shots dunks ankle breakers jelly layups pass like magic post up and has the better basketball IQ
@@alba558 ankle breakers?!?! when? LOL
I'm 46 for those that are younger let me explain jordan, every game felt like Christmas morning,it always felt special,I didn't get those feels with James
It's not even debatable...😩😩😩😩 This generation don't read or get facts....They ride of emotions and "VIBES."
Jordan is a whole different level of player. His drive alone is second to none.
No game 7 in the finals
But why 55 wins without goat, 57 with him... Only 2 games difference .. I get lebron's teams are built around him, but Jordan had Phil Jackson , do not forget that
Aman Singh, the bulls were 55 without Jordan, but didn’t event make it to the eastern conference finals. The season that followed, the bulls almost did not make the playoffs until Jordan returned late that year to give them a winning record with a playoff spot.
@@theephraimite This. You beat me to it. They also gained a few key players while still retaining Grant. A lineup Jordan never had and Pippen played great. But you got the nail on the head.
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx LeBron is great but aside from what the previous commenter said, His team fell so low because he left, several teammates left or got injured and they lost their coach. Not just James leaving. That and the LeBron system tends to rely heavily on James ball dominating with a bunch of shooters
@Lisa Rose you have no idea
Michael is actually faster...ran a 4.3 in college...bron clocked 4.6
LeBron is the fastest player of all time. It’s a fact bro
@@yessirkilo7017 no he’s not.
@@tyresejavin4160 search buddy. Lmfao he is
@@yessirkilo7017 lmfao no hes not. Go "search" buddy, its between Derrick Rose, John Wall or Russell Westbrook.
It's actually de Aaron fox who is the fastest player ever
Jordan guarding Grant Hill still give me chills....
I would like to know why I hear people always saying LeBron was a more efficient shooter Jordan still has a better field goal percentage on his career
Lebron is slightly higher, percentage-wise, from the field than Jordan. This is mainly due to rules changes that benefit the offensive player nowadays and clears the lane for easy baskets as opposed to when Jordan played. Also, if Jordan didn't come back to the Wizards, his lifetime fg% would be somewhere around 52%. That is amazing for a 2-guard who shot that much in the era in which he did it in.
@@kcire-tv3wy I don't see how much easier is now a days in comparison to MJ era. Why do you think there's a lot more 3 points than on those days? That's caused by rules restrictions that used to be on defense that allowed the better players to score easier (isolation era). Zone defense or leave guarding a player wasn't allowed (what a joke). Current era is much more tougher. All 1 to 1 great players like mj and kobe thinks the same. All things about it was much more
physical or what ever is bullshit. Watch a match and come again.
@@GattsuFTW ... LOL I've been watching the game for close to 40 years so I'm not speaking from heresy. And you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about.
In those days, the 3 was looked at as a novelty shot because you can never be super efficient using it. Also, if you did get fouled shooting it back then, you only got 2 shots (As I can recall, in 86 when Chicago and Boston played in the playoffs, Jordan got fouled by McHale shooting a 3. Jordan went to the line with :00 left and they were down by 2. He made em both but the Bulls lost in OT. Imagine if he'd had that 3rd shot!!!).
Nowadays, rules changes allow for players to push off, iso-play and take extra-steps so they can get open shots more easily (along with the lack of physical presence consistently in the lane), assisted by weak defensive efforts these "stronger, bigger, faster" players play.
Back then, you had more than a few teams who played what was called floating zones, which allowed help for players who weren't apt at playing tough defense (the Celtics AND LA ran the hell out of it and you see what Jordan did to it when he scored 63 against Boston in the 86 playoffs correct?). And yes they could also use trap defense to double and triple team. You had to commit to it. You couldn't stand in a space where you guarded no one at all. THAT is how that rule worked. Learn it!
Today's league and players are a fucking joke and a lot wouldn't do well. Look at Russell Westbrick. He had a bitch fit a few weeks back when they played GS and he was fouled by Thompson. That was 1 fucking foul. Imagine getting handchecked or an arm-bar your whole career. It takes a lot out of you and can affect your game.
The rules have changed to make it easier for the offensive player to get to the basket (League officials and higher ups have stated this plenty of times years ago. You didn't get the memo?!?!). Look at the proof, Lebron and Kobe's scoring jumped around 2005-2006, Tony Parker was waltzing into the lane like he lived there. Steve Nash got 2 MVP awards waltzing up in the lane. You have no clue.
As I've stated before, I have been watching this game for a long time and the shit these new players get away with is a fucking travesty. You know it is. Do some more homework before you come talking to me.
@Allan Dos Santos ... Incorrect. Lebron scores 70% of his point from inside 10ft. His shot is not better and you've been deceived by the ESPN hype machine my friend.
@@GattsuFTW whatyou trying to say...please
Can you imagine Lebron playing against the Detroit Bad Boys or the Knicks with Ewing, Oakley, Mason, & McDaniel? He constantly cries for fouls in today's NBA, 5 minutes against some of the defenses back when defense was allowed would have him going home in tears. Try flopping back then and those guys will give you a reason to be flat on your back.
Lol, remember the "Jordan Rules". LeBron would probably quit basketball if teams did that these days.
Lol so tru
@Patrick Lorei '19 do you see Kobe Flop ???? Yeah right the answer No
You do realize that what defense was back then was literally just hacking and grabbing people
@@Noofizz back then there's no such as thing as "Zone" back then Defense was "Man to Man" so you have to Rotate all the time.... If you stay to far from your men.... You're gonna give enemy free throw because of Illegal Defense
He’s not faster than Jordan. He ran a 4:2 his freshman year
he is dude anybody can tell u tht 😂
MJ never lost while being the favorite, or even remotely close to favorite. LeBron did, twice.
The crazy thing is when people say mj had no competition! I look at them for a second and just walk away
That's ludicrous. He played in the era of the bad boys from detroit where they didn't just want to keep you from scoring, they wanted to punish you. Remember the Jordan rules. They put him on the floor virtually every time he drove to the hoop. Today's NBA is a powder puff league where you can't d up like you could back then. Imagine Detroit playing GS. Steph would be on his butt every time he'd try to put up a 3. I doubt he'd be posing for his 3 point shots much after getting hard fouled. Not saying Lebron isn't great, but you are right in that defense back then was so much rougher. And oh yea, Jordan had to play through Isiah Thomas, Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Drexler and the list goes on an on.
Exactly, and mj had to play with a league full of dominate big men, there is big men now, but its mostly SF, SG,PG that are constantly dominate year after year. Therefore, jordan had to play against people who were 6 to 8 inches taller than him
@@imnotasfunnyasithinkiam1445 man that Detroit defense was a joy to watch
Unless they were beating up on my Bulls :). It was so much fun watching games back then. Now it's just a 3pt contest. Oh well we must adapt or stop watching.@@barisk6855
The Blazers, Jazz, Suns, S-Sonics were not Golden State. The Bulls did not, ever, go to the finals against a superior team. They went against good teams, with great names.
Jordan= GOAT
Lebron= Greatest hairline in the nba
Lebro goat
LeBron goat
If this picture is ur real picture than my buddy you don't have a great hairline either.
@@iamyug that's flight you mong
@@iamyug Thats FTC
Lebron’s assists numbers are a function of him being the center of the offense. He brings the ball up the court. Jordan didn’t play in that sort of offense under Phil Jackson. When Jordan actually played point guard for the latter half of the 1988-89 season, he put up crazy numbers. He averaged nearly a triple double.
And Jordan played with good coaches and management. The Bulls focuses on playing as a team with Jordan taking the lead. Bron's was built around him alone. There's a big difference.
Coach yeah but management hell no, it had been terrible since Jordan came to the bulls but Jordan only cared about winning and playing basketball
Not even coach where was phil jackson before mj lmao the reason phil is one of the all time great coaches was because his 2 3 peat with the bulls
Yep. Phil Jackson was an assistant coach for Chicago before taking the head coaching position. He learned the triangle from Tex Winters and asked Mike to try it out. The players on that team were rookies and journeymen. They worked together for years to build that cohesiveness up, the confidence and people want to say these players were great from gate? Bullshit!
Lebum got swept in the finals.... yeah,let that sink in... a GOAT would NEVER allow that to happen, end of story.
Mj would have gotten swept but he didn’t even make to the final by himself
@@bigmon1826 "would have" does not mean it HAPPENED, stop making excuses for Lebum
@@bigmon1826 so youre saying LBJ got to the final by himself? Curry, Duncan n Dirk? n all these (curry is debatable since KD) just going around recruiting superstar player to play with them?
@@5at5una hes a Bronsexual, another Lesbro, that explains it ALL
Jordan got swept in the first round lmao
I hate when people think LeBrons the best
Yeah mj still got his game
He's playing well without dunking rn
He's not a top 5 player LeBron
Manninghascool he’s the best just not the greatest of all time lebron is easily a top 10 player with past an present players included but just not better then Jordan
WO0 yEAHHH Lmaoo u must be talking for bron bc their are solid stats and facts that prove mj Better, u don’t wanna hear ppl say mj the goat fine , but there’s no doubt who’s the better player
As far as stats go as a scorer that’s what MJ did. in an age where as you said hand checking was key. MJ was a big 2 guard (6’6 210-220) in the 90s so he just abused some of the other wings and Scottie was usually guarding the best offensive player on the other team also so.... that’s why I think because accolades count MJ is the “greatest “ but the best player is Lebron
The 2011 Miami heat team without bron would still put up a fight against the mavs but with bron, THEY STILL LOST
when you look deeper James IS NOT a better rebounder than Jordan. He pads his stats with defensive rebounds whilst MJ was far better at offensive rebounding which is a better indication of how good a rebounder you actually are
stealthiscool Lebron James is a Small Forward he’s supposed to be a better rebounder than MJ who is a SG.. Lebron stans don’t know basketball so they never bring this point up
stealthiscool ur dumb and prolly don’t even play basketball
@@MINK2393 Ok Jordan is a shooting guard so he's supposed to be a better scorer than Lebron.
Imagine the current lakers against the 95'-96' Bulls. Just imagine..
The lakers would get killed
Imagine them getting destroyed
Oh boy
@@pizzabagelz1204 lmao who are you to talk???
@@pizzabagelz1204 i mean are u a basketball player or something?? just asking
I love this vid because it’s all context that nobody ever mentions when it comes to Lebron or just the comparisons
Thank you
MJ by far is the GOAT over Lebron. PERIOD
Even NBA 2k19 thinks MJ is G.O.A.T in franchise mode with Jordan on social media he’s referred to as G.O.A.T
Nah
He won mvp scoring title and DPOY in the same year
Mj is the greatest
RBG yea but it was kinda odd that he won the MVP that year when his team was only 50-32, tied for 7th best record that year with the Atlanta Hawks. I’d say switch 1988 with 1997.
LeBron won MVP and got robbed for DPOTY twice in 2008 and 2013. DEFINITELY shouldve won DPOTY in 2013
@@theballereli nope
Steals leader that season too
He still isn't a better scorer than Kobe. See, Kobe is the real Goat.
The basketball goat is Patrick McCaw
3 season
3 rings
🤣🤣
i love jordan and love debating him and lebron but everyone always says “the only thing jordan has on lebron is rings and lebron played on much tougher competition” and i honestly don’t know what to say to that
Dude lebron beat a hurt and short handed warriors man.
Yes curry was injured and prob if Draymond wasnt ejected they wouldve won in game 6
@@someguy4046 nahhh, iggy was wobbling so is curry, its hard for him to recover and play all out while playing kyrie and dame in back to back series, draymond got suspended then bogut got injured (which by the way controlled thompson in the first four games from offensive rebounds) thompson averaged almost 10 offensive rebounds per game after just 3 when bogut was okay.
@@gjlipana881 LeBron block, Curry played, and Iggy wobbling? Man you just a hater
@@gjlipana881 LeBron block, Curry played, and Iggy wobbling? Man you just a hater
@@gjlipana881 also Draymond played in game 7, no excuses for the warriors
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Bobo Makhoro you should follow God
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I've seen Lebron quit in championships where the games came close and he couldn't make the difference just sat on the bench pouting... I saw Lebron blame his team for his losses instead of taking it on himself. Plays in a softer era of Basketball (where they apparently also ignore traveling) The guy is a Talent vampire, took players away from their teams to play with him for ridiculous amounts of money so he can have an easier time getting to championships and yet still loses more than he's won with super teams built for him for all except for his first one which he lost btw. It's because of him we live in an Era of Super Teams.
3:02 lebron could easily have 6 mvps
How come he couldn't tho? Jordan got robbed in 89', 90', 97', 93', by your logic MJ should've easily had 10 MVPS, just stfu kid, there's no IFs or BUTs.
But, he didn't...... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@lamalah8499 he should have. Both him and Jordan could easily have 6-8 mvps. Using Jordan having 5 mvps to lebron’s 4 is a bull shit argument
@@danieldilawri2711 again.... But, he didn't got it... U can give him...... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@danieldilawri2711 Okay buddy, and MJ would easily win 17 rings and 18 MVPS
LeBron is not better than Kobe, Magic or Kareem. Right now LeBron is neck and neck with Larry Bird
Don't be disrespecting bird like that
ewj omega kobe is not even top 10
Lebron and Jordan be arguing over who the goat is and Kobe is crying in the corner 😢😢
I know it’s funny cause Kobe is still better than LeBron
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@@seahawksfan1928 fax
@@seahawksfan1928 lebron on another level
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I know I might have a fight with you on this and I know what you are going to say to put Kobe over LeBron.
But I believe we are arguing who is the SGOAT.
The real reason really lies in the first minute of the video. Back then, things were different, or more specifically, much harder. Tougher defense, more aggressive and no easy baskets as of today. It’s more of a show today’s NBA where it’s more about generating spectacular content rather than the sport it was set out to be. Just go back to the 97/98-finals and watch the level of roughness the players had to deal with. I think true basketball fans truly miss ideas like hand-checking, because it allowed for great dynamics and balance between defense and offense. I cannot put Lebron higher since Jordan would totally obliterate all competition if he had played in today’s era.
The league was as oppressive on Defense as the current league is on offense. There are nights offense doesn't work out. Hard defense is alot more consistent and can only be much harder to win against. The league of today simply doesn't deal with that level of defense at all.
If lebron played back then he wouldn’t do near as well
Very true. Opposing teams defensive strategy against Jordan was to literally beat him up. And they did. James has never faced that.
If Jordan, Magic, and Bird played today, Lebron James would be thought of as just another player.
@@felixjenkins4521 man dominated the 2000s, is that era soft?
3-5 VS 6-0
End of story
@KobeDropped_81 oops LOL
@Ta wup the greatest shooters of all time ... Clay curry durant LOL Dude are you 12 years old?
4-7 now
@@JohnCena-vn5xm 4-6***
@@JohnCena-vn5xm still 6-0 and 4-6. What a shame to even argue
Idk why people always compare. There will be no more other MJ and there will be no more other LBJ they both great. but theres always a Steph Curry with 40 inch vertical 😂
Who, Lonzo? 😂
in the future there will be a steph curry with a 40 inch vertical. people are training kids to shoot 3s from super young right now. and that guy will surpass MJ and lebron.
@@johnnyboi331 they will surpass them in shooting 3s. NBA will be just that. Drive and kick. Gets really boring....
Where did that meme come from?
@@Zero-wy2gx young precise
As us kids who where born in the 80s remember the jordan days the most it was pure magic from the fade aways to him soreing through the sky its like time stopped when he did. He had and impact on all of us in those days he was a true player and all around athlete. I never felt anything from lebron but me me me its all about me no memories to keep or moments to keep it was all about him and his greed. Mj is the goat plain and simple but unless you were is his era and watched or went to his games you will never truly know the feeling we all got when he stepped onto that court we knew it would be special.
Patrick Lorei '19 we aren’t talking about how they are as people. We are talking about on the court. Yes Lebron does way more for the community, and is great with people, but that shit don’t matter on the court. You either ball out, or leave. I’ll take a closer in MJ than a nice person outside the gym to win me a championship.
@Patrick Lorei '19 And Jordan donated his whole year salary for the 911 victims. So?
@Patrick Lorei '19 lebron is not even in the top 10 dude..there are much better players,kobe even pippen,magic,shaq all these guys are way better..i read all your comments in this video and you are hating Mj.but Mj is the best player ever end of story.Everyone on the planet knows Mj,the number 23,the "air jordan",the nike air shoes..i mean cmon...I live in europe and Mj is the reason that everyone in europe started watching NBA..now nba is just borring so just pls stop posting bullshit...its a really hard road to become the best so yes you have to be a strong character as well,otherwise other people will easily put u down.Mj was a leader thats it,he was not a bad person,he was smart..He would put you down with words,he would do anything to win.but it was also the way he was playing,the way he was shooting,the way he used to stay up in the air,his style was unique...none can come close that..Lebron is just a good player..i dont understand how can u compare him with MJ,forget the stats..just watch them playing. I dont see anything special with lebron just a good player... Even kobe was more impressive in everything.. Magic once told "its mj and then the rest of us"..ask people in europe,believe me 90% dont even know who lebron is..ask about Mj everyone knows him..because he is the best,ge is the person who made chicago bulls really big,he played against some of the top players in nba history and manage to win and stay on top..even the usa dream team "all star" was unbeatable back then..
@Patrick Lorei '19 i never said lebron is average. I said he is a very good player . But thats it. He has a good story about how he grew up i understand this.he is a good guy i also understand this. But watching him playing,even his best off on youtube,i have never said "wow how the f@ck did he do that" ..after 25 years watching mj i still say that after watching him playing.Thats what i am trying to say...He is missing that "wow factor" in his game that MJ had. Everyone can score but not many players can make you say wow how did he do that
@Patrick Lorei '19 lets move forward with this subject. You already said that jordan is the goat so we agree on that:) Lebron at this moment is probably the best player on nba i guess we also agree on that as well:) so of course we are 2 completely different persons we canot agree on everything but neither of us is right or wrong as its subjective how each of us see things) but we both love basketball and that is all that matters..:)
And Chicago was one game away from the eastern conference finals
How can you say someone has a better overall game but not call him better?
Jordan would have never left chicago to form a big 3. He stayed loyal and brought them 6 chips. Thats why Lebron will never pass him. Also MJ is 6-6 in the finals, Lebron is 3-9.
@keepnitreel 4me yeah i meant 6 of 6 thats why i said 3 of 9 for Lebron
7 rings if he wanted to like in 94
You kill it once you show the facts= 13 years vs James 16 years. And like I always say, if MJ played for 20 years imagine where would he be on the leading points list? MJ is the truth and the real G.O.A.T
Except he didn't play for 20 seasons so no it doesn't matter how long they played it matters what they did in that time so if LeBron surpasses Mike in his 22nd season he still beat Mike but LeBron has not passed Mike yet but he still has the chance
Connor Jacobson Literally matters as it took Lebron many more seasons to finally reach or surpass Jordan’s records which he set in less seasons at just 13. Imagining calling yourself the GOAT when you need more seasons/more advantages to beat the stats of the actual GOAT. This further proves the point of MJ being the GOAT LOOOL
@@donknife6213 Thank you, people forget to use logic nowadays
@@riosiscold9865 trust me bro
Some Guy ohh stop with this nonsense, no matter which era, MJ would have and always will ball 🤷🏻♂️🤫
LeBron’s first stint in Cleveland, he won zero titles. He had to recruit or join superstars to get his rings. Yes he is talented but can’t win championships without superstar help.
I would say that the main reason why people consider them goats is because they were both able to adapt to their circumstances and find a winning formula for winning games with their team based on how the pace if the game was during their era
Skip Bayless sounds pretty young in this video
😂
😪😪😪😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
R.I.P.
Thats fucking hilarious but i hope its not serious.
@NonyaBusiness! I agree
LBJ can't surpass even Kobe..real talk.
Isko del Pilar MJ and Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lebron anyday
LeBron has only had one other all nba player with him every time he’s played meanwhile Jordan had Toni kukoc Scottie popper and Dennis Rodman
Then lebron should be on his teams backs getting the best out of them the way jordan did with bulls , the rest of the bulls were that good because jordan let them and encouraged them to be that good , lebron is incapable of doing that
Jordan made his teammates better MJ was pushing them to be better because he wanted to win, ever watched the last dance? I recommend you to watch it.
Edward W yes I have and lebron actually does the same thing but he has only had 1 other all nba player and he can still win championships and Mj when he was in the same situation as lebron with only 1 all nba player couldn’t win
@@blah7958 when did michael jordan lose a finals?.
Sure sure. Did you know how many allstars Lebron played with? Or you are just commenting without knowing facts?
Could you imagine in this era how many points Jordan would score with no hand checking and him going to the line after every shot because, offense.
Probably around 40-5-5 with a 53% field goal, and around 36% from 3
Fun fact most players that that went from hand checking to no hand checking said it was harder to score in the no hand checking era. Jordan would probably be doing around 23-5-6
Tobias Chambers fun fact, the actual stats on PPG disagree.
@@ellisv75 if tgeir ppg went up why is the score of basketball games going down? There was a time were 120 was normal before hand checking, now in the 2000"s 120 games are rare. The interviews with players before that played in both eras said no hand checking was harder
Tobias Chambers bra stop
I like lebron but you just can’t argue any of these points he brought up, in the end MJ was a psychopath when it came to being competitive but lebron doesn’t have that same mentality and the accolades show that
He can definitely be the number 2 spot for greatest of all time
Debatable
Tim Duncan is better than any pf jordan ever beat. Kevin Durant is better than any sf jordan ever beat. Steph curry is better than any pg jordan ever beat. Jordan's teams were never an underdog in any series they ever won ..look it up
John Perkins okay so your Definition of Greatness is Being number 2 I'm confused I thought The object of the game was to be the BEST Not beat the BEST Jordans Bulls was Never an UnderDog Because he Made Sure they was da BEST by being the G.O.A.T. Every night U can't Slay da Giant if U are da Giant think 🤔Before u speak 🗣Because Dat was da Dumbest Shit I ever heard
@@bigodawg6536 lol my comment seems dumb because the point went way over your head haha. My point is that lebron is playing against way better players and teams than jordan was playing against. I've already wasted too many characters. Bro jordan lost to shaq and penny, just imagine what Duncan's big 3 or the Warriors would've don't to him ..Jordan was 1-3 against the bad boys, never beat larry bird in a series, only beat the Lakers when kareem wasn't there so that don't count
Lebron is faster than MJ? I don't buy this.
EXACTLY!!!
2 things.
2011.
And the disrespect to kobe.
and to kareem.
@@dotachin93 And to Tim Duncan at that
@@dotachin93 definitely towards Kareem
James has surpassed Kobe. MJ however is on another level
@@johntubb9567 5/2 > 3/6
No matter what anyone says Jordan will always be the goat and nobody can ever say different because he played in the hardest time in the NBA if lebron played in his time we wouldn't be having this discussion it wouldn't even be close
Hand Check didn’t make the game harder. It changed the game, but getting to play in nba is way harder since the skill requirements are so much higher than in Jordan’s era
Not saying LBJ is the goat, but he played his rookie year with hand checks and still put up insane numbers for a rookie
Love that thumbnail
After the Celtics beat the Bulls in the playoffs, Larry Bird himself said Michael Jordan is like God disguised as Michael Jordan. MJ still gets recognition for his greatness even when he loses. I don’t ever hear people praising Lebron like that after he loses, lol.
If your're watching the NBA Finals right now, it's easy to see that three-peating is not easy. Warriors having a hard time but MJ did it TWICE with teams with a maximum of 2 all-stars (him and Pippen). That just shows the drive Jordan has. From this perspective, there's no way LeBron is the GOAT.
Ever heard of these two guys called Dennis Rodman and Horrace Grant I think they mightve been all stars too just saying. Oh and there was also one more player Steve Kerr.
The fact that you actually said he never had more than two all stars on his team just shows that you never even watched him play and probably know about him through nba2k games so just shut up .
LBJ having just one more all star on his team in Kyrie Irving (who wasn't even in his prime yet ) beat a 73 win team . Y'all are just salty and like mj cause everyone tells you to
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You have a point.. but didn't bron have another allstar teammate (Kevin Love) during that time.. oh yeah.. I forgot to mention that MJ never had a superstar meltdown during his career unlike LBJ in 2011 Finals against the Mavs.. maybe you forgot about that fact?? MJ is the G.O.A.T..
@@princeeissac6987 Kevin love was out injured for most of the season and he never really returned to his all star self. Plus while you're right LeBron did have a meltdown in 2011 but Mj did too not in the finals but prior to 91 when he couldn't even make it out of the second round in the playoffs and would be bested by the pistons
@@gunveersinghdhir6186 Are you sure MJ had a meltdown during a playoff series? Or was it a game? Which game, year and date was that? I dont remember anything like it.. Unlike LBJ who melted down for a Finals series... the coach even said that LBJ basically wasnt felt there..
@@princeeissac6987 what I meant was mj also couldn't make it to the finals let alone win a play off series till he got some help .I just hate when people are like LeBron can only win on a good team but what they don't realise he took a bum ass team to the finals and even after that they refused to get him some help so he left . Mj always had good management with one of the most legendary coaches ever .
I'm not hating on MJ I still think he is the goat and lebron is second but it's really close like really close and people don't seem to realise that and once it's all said and done LeBron might actually surpass MJ cause he's showing no signs of slowing down
I love LeBron James but MJ is apart of my childhood, still love the Bulls and Space Jam
"apart of my childhood"
Ricky this how you know these guys don't know shit about basketball. They are just living in the moment.
Brush
So if you saw him in your childhood that makes him the greatest player.. that is biased as hell
GrumpoGrump You don’t know anything about basketball if you like MJ for Space Jam... What a dumb ass
10:30 Bruh 😂
Already knew this but it’s nice to know others do as well
Unless you're literally perfect you cannot surpass Jordan, since MJ was pretty much perfect
IKR
SedaW LoL nope
@@sydney.milan326 Are you one of those who thinks LeBron is better than MJ? Tell me why you don't have to be perfect to have a chance to surpass MJ. MJ had no weaknesses, you do realise that right?
SedaW LoL 1. I did not say that 2. I am not a LeBron fan 3. He had lots of weaknesses 4. Nobody is perfect
Some Guy exactly
Your arguments were very on the surface and simple....But honestly they all make sense and have great bearing. LeBron is clutch but isn’t AS CLUTCH as MJ. He’s skilled but not AS SKILLED as MJ. The standard isn’t to be as good or close to him, it’s to be better than Mj. No one can really say that LeBron has definitively shown to be better than Jordan.
He has holes in his game, can’t humble himself to play in an actual system, padded his stats in losing situations, and had a choke job in the biggest stage. 2011 was fucking horrible and just because it happened a long time ago, doesn’t mean it’s gonna go away.
From the wise words of Magic Johnson.
“Because the keys is. CAN HE STOP JASON TERRY?”
*Applause* Now here is a man with brains!
kcire10 10 thank you sir lmao
How is falling down when your beard gets touched "still playing at an extremely high level"? Leflop really isn't even in the discussion if you take into account the integrity of his character.
What about Kobe? Rip Kobe and Gigi and 7 others
Kobe is the 2nd greatest of all time lebron is just overrated
He was a micheal jordan clone
All of this is 100% accurate, the perfect video supporting the Jordan argument, however, for longevity, Jordan played every game like it was his last, he never took games off during the regular season, and always pushed himself, even in practice. LeBron is always taking breaks, and not really pushing himself unless he’s in the playoffs.
Thats totally true. I think a lot of modern player takes a lot better care of their bodies and are able to be healthier and have longer primes because of it. Lebron doesn’t care to much about the regular season because he knows the playoffs is where it matters most
Fun fact guys LeBron is the only NBA superstar to have to constantly bring in multiple allstars and hall of famers just to underachieve in the finals. Isn't that funny. I bet Patrick Ewing wish he could get any free agent allstar he wanted. Maybe then he would have beaten Jordan in the playoffs.
😄😄😄😅😅😅😂 RIGHT!!! LEBRON cheated and still took mad L'S
And LeBron Just recruited a 26 yr old AD (a top 5 player and could make a case for the top player) in his prime.
Facts
Robert Jacobson obv not a basketball fan cuz ad was traded
Yxng Moss you know damn good and well they ran through the trade with Lebron first
A just like to add that technology now relating to health is more advanced than 80's and 90's Era. Performance can be boosted or prolonged by whatever system they are using now. Compared to old days they have to overcome it all.
Game is to be played to win and be the champion, either individual or team game. So the first criteria to being called the GOAT is the winning games, championships, either be the total number or the percentage. 2nd criteria is the performance to win each game. 3rd is the criteria on winning this game.
His Airness is the GOAT, no one comes close sorry millennials that is just the way it is.
Even NBA 2k19 thinks MJ is G.O.A.T in franchise mode with Jordan on social media he’s referred to as G.O.A.T
Wilt Chamberlain. As Wilt told MJ at the NBA 50th Anniversary Team: they changed the rules to make it EASIER for you to dominate. They changed the rules to make it HARDER for me to dominate.
A lot of Millennials (82-96) grew up in the 90s & watched Jordan, myself included, and even I have to say Wilt is the better individual player. Millennials = Jordan & Kobe fans. Generation Z = Lebron & Curry fans
@ Mark Sockwell--- Pfft, loser talk! Like Lebron, Wilt also lost more finals than he won. He went to the finals six times, he won twice. I guess the league made it really tough for Wilt.