Ep. 1: I Bought A Bonneville, An Interceptor, And A V7... Which Is Best? czcams.com/video/hHD-uyBBezI/video.html Ep. 2: Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 - WHAT I GOT WRONG czcams.com/video/p4MOxzU_mx8/video.html Ep. 3: Triumph Bonneville: Let's RUIN Our Exhausts (ON PURPOSE)! czcams.com/video/dXp2vyvECDw/video.html Ep. 4: Moto Guzzi V7: Fixing a STOLEN V7 czcams.com/video/HNmJ6IjQkHI/video.html Ep. 5: Why I SOLD My INTERCEPTOR 650 - Pros & Cons Vs. My Bonneville & V7 czcams.com/video/f3lc6tFAWDM/video.html Ep. 6: Triumph BONNEVILLE: BEST HANDLING Used Model (vs. V7, Interceptor) czcams.com/video/xsnOLvj0V8M/video.html Ep. 7: Triumph Bonneville: $100 Suspension Upgrades! czcams.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/video.html
As others have said, You have to polish bare aluminum. The fact that an owner chooses to not maintain their bike is not a design flaw. Also, the Interceptor engine is the best looking of the Royal Enfields. All black like my Hunter screams “I’m too cheap to make it look good”. Also, is “Bon-vil” the Canadian pronunciation for Bonneville? It grates every time you say it.
Yeah it takes a bit of work to keep it looking good, but on the plus side you don’t need to rechrome if you scratch it up while working on the engine, it’s just a solid block of aluminum. (Plus it looks gorgeous)
Have a 2020 Interceptor: 20 000 kms, no pitting, discolouration or rust anywhere. Like new. Zero mechanical/electrical problems. And the frame welds r so perfect I wonder how manufacturers asking twice or 3x the $s can’t get that rite.
Your best video to date!!! I love the format with validation of your motorcycle knowledge & experiences, addressing differences from your first impressions, acknowledging the good qualities, and calling out areas that need improvements. Even though I’m a happy owner of one of these bikes (but a newer model) I am still looking forward to the rest of the series on all three of these motorbikes!
I dont know how your 2019 RE INT 650 was treated before you bought it, but I bought a 2020 pre-owned red & black 650 RE 650 INT with just less than 3000 miles on it and the engine side covers (while not perfect) on my bike look a hell of a lot better than the ones on your bike. However, the stock mufflers on mine have less than perfect chrome but I can live with that as they are always behind me and no one has ever commented about them being less than perfect. I now have almost 9000 miles on my 650 INT and I like it a lot. Same for my 2021 RE Meteor 350 and my 2016 Triumph Street Twin. I am located in south eastern Pennsylvania and our riding season will be very limited for a good part of the next ~two months. Keep up the good work with your videos.....
I went to buying used RE, and they're priced same as Bonnies around here. But ones made 1-2 yrs ago shouldn't have pitting or rust on them. I haven't seen anyone claiming it's twice, but it's certainly not equal either.
Aren't the INT 650 being sent as kits to Manaus or other place and assembled locally to avoid import taxes? That's usually the case even within the lineup of a single brand. You can get accessible honda models in Brazil but others are twice the price compared to another regions.
@@Confedyank here in India, i am able to get a used Interceptor at price of a new Bullet 350 (~2500$) and used bonnie costs even more than a new Interceptor.
@@lalit3124 It does vary per market. Since a new Royal Enfield there costs more than any used here does. In fact it's cheaper for me to buy a new INT there, ship it here, & such than even buying a 2018 INT. Where as buying a 2022 bonnie is cheaper than that here.
Great vid thanks, I have been riding motorcycles for almost 50 years, I own a 2022 GT650 RE and a 2012 Bonneville SE, you are right about both of those bikes the RE handles better than the Bonneville, but the Bonneville is better for 2 up riding than the RE is so when I ride on my own its the Royal or my 73 RD350 and when the wife and I ride its the Bonneville SE. You said it about the Royal " it is what it is" and that's why I love the bike so much it was inexpensive, it is probably the most true to a Retro motorcycle along with the W800. I my self love the look of the engine as it looks like something from the 60's the big huge side cover on the right side of the bike, I love my GT650, it has 15000 km's, no pitting or anything, however to your point there maybe some inconsistencies in the manufacturing, it almost seems some are better than others, I don't know if that is possible or not but it seems that maybe the case. another thing I love about my Royal, NO Rider modes, I hate rider modes, I think they are more of a marketing gimmick than something useful. I love my bike because it is not perfect and because of the lower hp and torque output, I really have work the transmission to keep the bike doing what I want it to do and that makes my riding experience more fun, I have so much fun on the 507 and 503, loon lake, Bancroft, Dyno Road, Tory hill on that bike and because of the imperfections of the bike is what , to me , gives the bike character, its like riding something from the 60's or 70's, almost. People ask me how I like it and I always say, "it does nothing great but everything good". a little clarity, I'm 59 years old and big Horse power to me became un eventful about 12 years ago, so if someone wants big HP and torque its not the bike for them. Thanks for your review I saw it come up as I subscribe to your channel and watched it right a way, great job looking forward to more vids. If the Royal makes it through to the upgrade part or even the Bonneville look in to booster plugs to richen them up makes them run a lot smoother and nicer I have one on my Triumph and my Royal. Cheers buddy. Oh one more point and I only mention this because if someone is thinking they might want a RE 650 but have concerns about power, 401 some times has a flow of traffic of 130 to 140, No problem on my Royal Enfield 650 with 2 up my wife and I do it all the time and believe it or not I have done over 160km's with both of us on RE650 but I suspect I might have been on a slight down grade with a tail wind :-). cheers.
I have a 2023 RE INT650, purchased new and owned 1 year in Michigan where we have lots of road salt left over from our winters. Also, I live on a dirt road where a lot of calcium chloride (a salt) is put down. I simply follow Stuart Fillingham's cleaning and polishing methods. Result is I have zero pitting or rust *anywhere* on the bike. It looks showroom new. I think someone severely abused your used RE.
Thanks for that, I’ve just bought a s/h Interceptor, it looks well looked after. I’ve owned REs since 2003 mostly bought brand new. The UCE engines were a quantum leap from the old iron barrel ones as the Electras were a mighty improvement over the iron barrel ones. You could never be sure whether you bought a Monday morning bike, a Wednesday bike or a Friday afternoon bike and the metallurgy was a worry on those iron barrel bikes. The piston tops used to separate, the gearboxes had three or four neutrals and so on but the chains lasted well due to the oil mist tube from the crankcase. Wet sumping was a problem for a lot of them. They did have lots of character. You could do most repairs at the roadside which you can’t these days. I think Royal Enfields just keep getting better. No-one has problems with the alloy cases if you keep the metal polish up to them.
June 2019 I bought the interceptor. The battery pooped in 6 months. The speedo wheel sender was replaced under warranty at 12k miles. My last real valve adjustment was at 12k. 18-24k valves in spec. 30k one valve barely needed adjustment. 36k speedo cable flex cracked because the plastic covering is too hard. 2$ at Home Depot and I spliced new soft rubber wiring in the middle saving replacement at 70$. I call this quite trouble free. I ride nearly exclusively in southern California 's mountains grinding everything both sides to include the exhaust pipes. It handles quite well. It'll do 100 mph and ridden within 55 mph achieve 75 mpg. This is the British bike I'd never owned in the 70's because they handled and performed but they leaked vibrated and blew up.
I think that the engine looks like it is supposed to look... retro. The black bottom part of the cylinder is very traditional. The chrome pipes with the not chrome engine sides look just like lots of 70's bikes. So to me the looks of the engine are very good and looks very retro.
Embrace that contrast, it highlights every different part with the only cost to you is for the special and different cleaners needed, like for say barrels vs chain covers etc. Eye catching and i love it too.
Great video. I have a 2022 INT650. The fit and finish is very good on mine. No rust pitting so far. I'm somewhat of a polish Fanatic, so I went after the aluminum covers with BlueMagic right away. It's long lasting and protects the surface. The engine can be considered ugly, somewhat odd, but it grows on you. The most annoying thing (just kidding) about it is that it is a spectator magnet. The Triumph is a better looking bike, but an ordinary person walking between the two will notice and be drawn to the INT. The other bike, oh yea, just another Triumph. So far my INT650 has been a pleasure to own and ride.
I've only had my Continental GT650 since last May ...but done over 4,500 miles, including some wet weather riding and 3 or 4 rides on our british winter salt-treated roads, however I've had no pitting on the engine cases (or anywhere) ...so far.
I really like the way you assess the bikes and really humble to explain your past mistakes. I completely agree that the quality of a motorcycle is its condition after many years. I am at Kawasaki a VN 800 that is 20 years old. In fact 22 years old and although it’s only done 2.5 thousand miles, it still is 20 years old and looks like brand-new. If Royal Enfield does deteriorate, no matter how well-kept, it would be off my list. Glad to have found this site and subscribed.
Keep doing you dude, I see people defending a brand, and while it's not terrible, I feel the internet doesn't want to face reality. Also, I haven't been on internet much lately, and for whatever reason youtube isn't pushing your vids.
Great video - I really appreciate the aging of bikes... my 79 KZ650SR still has decent-looking chrome, and my 05 Vulcan 800 has great-looking chrome. I'd be PISSED if it started pitting and fogging like that!
Thank you. This is very helpful. I'm sorting out what bike to get coming back to riding after literally 45 years. One direction I may go is boiling down to Bonneville v. Interceptor. The interceptor would be fine for me power wise etc.. I like saving the money and I actually think it is a lovely bike. But, I do worry about longevity finish wise and also resale. Leaning toward Bonneville at the moment for those reasons. But, it depends what day you talk to me which way I am leaning. I'm also considering the 350-400 cc range given my advanced age, 🙂, and long time away from riding. Maybe RE Classic 350 - maybe one of the new Triumphs (also made in India). I am more drawn to the RE in that group. What I don't want to do is to buy a Continental and then find myself spending a fortune in my time and money on power and performance upgrades to essentially turn it into what I would have with a Bonneville. That makes zero sense to me.
Great serie: those 3 bikes are exactly the 3 I’m struggling to chose from 😁 I’m fond of the Bonnie but it’ll depend on what occasion I can find. Thanks for your videos
I like the retro/modern classic style bikes and the three bikes you are reviewing are on my short list. I've looked and sat on all 3 but still have to test ride. All these bikes have character so the decision will be a difficult one. Looking forward to your next video. However i have another bike to now think about. The BSA 650 Gold Star. You will have to wait until it gets to your side of the pond.😂 Thanks again.😊
Dear @carltonwittland1300 I was a old mechanic in a shop in Montréal dealing with vintage BSA/NORTON AND TRIUMPH including the new ones till 2017. My valid opinion is if you dont have a hefty tool kit and a valid knowledge on greasing your hands every time you ride, don't spend any money on a old school BSA. Even mint they leak oil, gaskets are dry, carburators need regular ajustement to the fine point and I can still go on rambling. Hoping you get one of the 3 bikes mentioned in the video and not a BSA. Good luck
@@benleblanc3618 Hello and thanks for that very sound bit of advice. These old bikes advertised for sale look very shiny and nice and you are correct. They will always need maintenance and my mechanical skills are basic . I mentioned the BSA 650 Gold Star as it is a modern classic similar to the other three bikes being evaluated. It's been on sale now in the UK for 18 months and is starting to get positive reviews by CZcams testers. I really like the sound and low down torque from a 650 single thumber. Hopefully it will be sold in Canada and the States soon. Check it out and thanks again for your good advice 👍 😀.
Thanks for posting, a very thought provoking video. Triumph doesn't have a presence in my locale and they are relatively rare here so I haven't had the chance to ride one. I am lucky enough to have a 2021 Royal Enfield continental GT 650 and a 2023 Moto Guzzi V7 Special. I can relate to your observations. For myself, I would put it this way. The R.E. Conti. GT650 is for bashing through the back lanes when you want a bit of "Genuine riding fun". It isn't fast but it is "Endearing" as you say. The handling is light and direct and exceeds the power by some margin. The Guzzi, V7 850, is for when you want to travel to an event, in a relaxed mode and ensures you arrive in style. I know which one I would want to ride across Europe on. There is little to compare the two in my view as they are in relatively different sectors. R.E. is modestly priced and the Guzzi is a finer machine overall. I'll be keeping both by the way, for a long time!
I am not familiar with any of these bikes so this is very informative. I think I'll try this bike out next summer. Thanks and looking forward to the next video.
I had a string of 865 Triumphs over the years but wanted to try something different. Bought an Interceptor after reading the glowing reviews but just could no gel with it. You're right, the engine doesn't exude much excitement and the handling didn't instil confidence when pushing on. My ownership was only a brief 3 months. Maybe I didn't give it enough time but I was making a mental list of things I wanted to change every time I took it out. The SE Bonneville is arguably a much nicer bike to ride and perhaps hits the sweet spots in power, handling, looks and comfort in a modern classic. Agree, the 17inch wheels are a revelation and transform the bike. If in future Royal Enfield ups the displacement of that engine, introduces 17inch cast alloy rims, I'd definitely revisit it. Suspension is a relatively simple fix provided the price point of the bike remains where it is, one can justify the mod.
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The bare alloy cases worried me on the Classic 350 too. So I bought a Dark Gunmetal Grey model which has a black powder coated finish. Not as pretty, but much more durable. And guess what? The Interceptor is now available with the same finish too. They've also upgraded the switch cubes to black alloy - taking the improved components from the Super Meteor 👍
I got the 350 Meteor whose engine is all black. The finish is extremely robust and after 20,000 is still as new. Ditto the cast wheels - I will never buy a bike with spoked rims again. Added bonus is tubeless tyres and the easy of fixing a roadside puncture. Overall RE is improving its finish with every new model that gets released.
At the end of the day, it's my job to call things how I see them, and it's people's jobs to pick whatever is best for them. For a lot of people this bike will make the most sense, and if they're informed and happy motorcyclists, then that's great and we've all done our parts :)
Man, im buying soon a 2023 RE interceptor 650 all black, after one year testing all brands and models. Best smooth ride i ever had. This is a real M.O.T.O.R.C.Y.C.L.E. A steel frame, two wheels, a good engine, few gauges, lot of fun while riding safely and 3 years warranty whitout mileage limit. Fantastic customer service and plenty of parts and accesories at a reasonable price. Do you want me tell you something about Guzzi?. Manure has more value than Guzzi.
Hey Dan. Did you get a new phone number? I tried calling you but it definitely wasn't you who answered haha. Maybe I have the wrong number. Give me a ring please! :)
0My younger brother rides Cont 650 and the one thing we both agreed upon when looking for that type of bike ... There isn't anything like it within 30-40% of the price. You can get them for 6100 - 6500 bucks all day long. I think you can get the W800 for 9 grand sometimes and probably the Speed Twin for under 10k. At least if you are going cruiser you can look at the Shadow or Boulevard and stuff like that. That retro British bike look simply costs so much from everyone else that RE finds itself is the spot of being the only player in its segment. I think the success of those RE 650s shows that there is a desire for that type of bike without the need of superior power. I wonder if the other manufacturers have ceded that spot to them or if some cheaper options are on the way. Honda loves that 500 they put in like 100 bikes maybe them? Suzuki won't for sure. Triumph just released that 400 so maybe they will get part of that market but they don't really look the part, which I understand from them, they want you on their Bonnys. Just hoping for more "entry level" options with that retro look.
Greetings, Adrian. John in Colorado, again! Our motorcycle tastes / interests must be quite similar. I'm old, though, so much of my early riding was on "classics." Did 200K miles on BMW twins in 70s / 80s. Stopped "cold-turkey" for work and family, then returned on a Moto Guzzi Norge -- a 2008 NOS I got in 2010. Sorry I sold it, as it was a great bike. Now, as you'll likely remember, my garage houses the two G650GSs. I wonder if you've yet had a chance to look at the Super Meteor in Canada? I finally sat on one here in The Springs. I wonder if the fit/finish issues have been improved? Even if RE is getting better as an evolution, rather than a "revolution," many have commented favorably on the new 650, and the Himalayan. Perhaps they're succumbing to "fan-boy" syndrome, but they do seem to be moving in the right direction. Best to you. J
I have had no problems pitting or rusting. I do keep it in a garage. The bike is simple, not loaded with tech, comes in at a low price is good for new riders and riders wanting to downscale. No, it's not a Triumph, but it's got more heritage than the current company. The Interceptor is my second bike and great for around town. I bought it because a Moto Guzzi dealer is in another state and Triumphs are kinda pricey and the wife doesn't like climbing on the back of my R1200GS.
Every bike in this series is simple, not loaded with tech, and cost less than the used Interceptor 650 did lol. But yeah, if the Guzzi dealer is in another state, definitely stay away, unfortunately
@@YouMotorcycle V7's are fairly rock solid. They have lock and screw valves. I do now have a Moto Guzzi dealer in my state. Having an Interceptor means getting a Guzzi would simply be getting a bike in roughly the same category.
That's one way of looking at it. Imitation or not, I'd say the Bonneville on paper has the other two motorcycles beat. But if authenticity is what you're after, than the Guzzi might be the way to go. I just put out another video in the series, here, if you're bored: czcams.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/video.html
@@YouMotorcycle MG has hydraulic valve adjustment and shaft drive. You can replace the cam chain with gears and eliminate that potential head ache. The New Triumph has shim under bucket valve adjustment which means expensive dealer serviceing. The RE 650 is a cheap bike made with cheap labor and cheaper parts. Both the New Triumph and the RE 650 are made to be disposable. The MG is built old school where it's rebuidable forever ♾️. My 1999 883 is 25 years old and Still is on the original engine. The old RE 350 pre- unit was rebuidable forever ♾️ . They could make more money because the new ones are cheaper to build. Cheapening the product while more profitable in the short run will have consequences down the line. The MG will be still around while the other 2 will be recycled into beer cans.
You are right about the mag wheeled Bonnie with the 17 wheel but the 900 (865) Thruxton had an 18 wheel and was more stable. The turn in was slower the cafe style bars added to that. In riding the mag bonnie, when going to the Thruxton first ride a went scary wide in my first conner in comparison.
I have heard Interceptor owners swear by Silkolene Proprep spray on any bare metal, chromed or polished aluminium surfaces to keep it all looking good. Sad fact is if RE built the Interceptor to the same build quality as the Bonneville, they couldn't sell it for 2/3rds of the Bonneville's price!
Very interesting point. I made a video on why I sold this motorcycle and one of my comments was that I wish they had spent $500 more on the fit and finish, and charged $500 more for the motorcycle. It would've been really interesting to see a better quality Interceptor, for a little more money.
The looks of the Interceptor engine have grown on me. I think it's a lot better looking than the engines of the new Triumphs, which look like the offspring of a 1970 T120 and a hippopotamus.
Just curious, are you in the Massachusetts/Cambridge area? Thought I saw some familiar areas with the trolley tracks, etc. Great video. Looking forward to the rest of the series (and yes, I've subscribed :-))
I would like to start off with........ Thank you. I have been shopping for a bike for a little while. Quick background, My first bike was a 78' Honda GL500. Right after that I traded for a 78' Goldwing. Rode it for a long time and sold it got married, kids blablabla. I'm hella old now , kids grown and ready to get back on two wheels. My local dealer Has Royal Enfield, Suzuki, Zero, QJ and a lot of used bikes. I liked the price of the RE but not comfortable in the seat. They have a 2011 Fury with 4200 miles on it I was really comfy in that seat. Those are the two bikes that have my attention. The RE is new $6500+ and the Fury is $6500+. I trust the Honda more. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the review. Personally, i don't mind the mix of alloy, black and chrome on the engine and pipes, my '79 Bonnie is the same. I'm not a huge fan of the egg shaped engine on the other side, but i actually found it less offensive than the modern triumphs take on my classic. Where my Bonnie is lean and purposeful i felt the new Bonnie was heavy, clunky and obese. I've actually got over my dislike of the egg engine thing as at least it looks like an A65. Where i think that RE failed though is those upswept pipes at the expense of pillion leg room. For such a do it all bike this seems like they were chasing the look at the expense of the function in an effort to mimic the Look of the original interceptor.
Hey there! I agree that the look better reflects the bikes of that era... I just wish that they hadn't gone that "in the weeds" with trying to replicate the style of before, and instead opted to make it a little more polished by adding consistency. Newest video of the series just went live today after a little winter hiatus / dealing with some personal stuff, if you're bored, give it a look: czcams.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/video.html
Im kind of amazed at the number of people who don’t know the difference between chrome and aluminum, chrome requires less maintenance but has a lesser ability to dissipate heat.
I think everyone knows the difference it's just that it's kind of redundant. The point is that whatever choice of finish Royal Enfield chooses to do, Honda has done them all, half a century ago, and they hold up well, whereas Royal Enfield has the benefit of fifty years of learning but didn't seem to have cared to learn or spent a bit more to seal their aluminum finish
Definitely nicer than anything RE has and more retro than any triumph. If I wanted to spend more than I did on my interceptor I would have gone with a W800, it’s stunning in person.
@@MotorcycleWrites RE will make classic-styled bikes forever, and so too will Triumph, but I wouldn't expect the W800 to be around forever, so whilst they aren't cheap new, I've seen good used ones for slightly more than the price of a new RE Classic 350, making the Kawasaki a compelling alternative. If I didn't own a Harley Davidson, I'd definitely consider the W800 ... just to be different, be cool and because I've never owned a Kawasaki before.
@@karlsquire8148 I agree, definitely expensive as a new purchase and they do lose a bit of value, but for anyone who buys a good used one at the right price, I think that's the way to go. I've seen low mileage W800's for the same price as a new RE Classic 350. If I didn't own a H-D, I'd definitely consider a good used W800.
@@Jonathan-L that’s a great point. I was looking at new ones because I was trying to get something warrantied for a daily rider alongside my unreliable 80s cafe racer. Getting a used one would be a great idea.
One thing I can say is that RE's dealer network really sucks in Southern Ontario. There's a dealer in Acton then nothing all the way to Windsor?...are you kidding me?!!
Even though I am indian. I 💯% agree with you on the ugly motor and cheap chrome part. It's a shame that people who want a classic chrome finished bike have to force themselves to accept the blacked out colourways because they know that this chrome wont last more than 2 months.
As a guy thats only riden a bsa from 1965 & a triumph tiger from 1969-okay i have rode a honda 50 cc from 1978 but i dont really count that monkey bike- complaining about amount of elbow grease it takes to clean the bike is crazy to me. Maybe im a bit biased based on my exp. But isnt that apart of appreciating the bike? Working, cleaning, and enjoying the time you spend on your machine?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but air conditioning and disk brakes weren't standard on cars from the 60s and 70s right? Does that mean complaining if your car's AC doesnt work well and it doesn't stop too good is also crazy to you also? If you want to judge a vehicle of today by the standards of half a century ago, than let's throw all progress out the window and every 💩box of a vehicle can be considered the best thing ever. I think it's ridiculous to even compare the standards of half a century ago to what's available today.
@@YouMotorcycleI'm not comparing, sir. I said based on my exp so far, which I did admit in the original that it is inherently biased based on my exposure to motorcycles. It was a simple question bc I don't know modern motorcycles Thats why I follow the channel. I found It quite nitpicking on an aluminum finish on a cheaper motorcycle that doesn't compare to a much more expensive bike from the factory. As you also pointed out not all wear is equal and that is also fair. I just don't expect a finish on a motorcycle which here in the states I can get brand new for $4999 compared well to a t100. Even a used t100(using one I found in Ohio for example) 2020 triumph with over 6000 miles $6999 a poor comparison a new one is much more. Thats like comparing a budget sedan to a Cadillac and wondering why it doesn't have as good carbon fiber. And you did not answer my question is a bit of elbow grease going to hurt you? Is having a little work on your motorcycle CRAZY to you? I figure not for you. So, Id appreciate it if you do not put words in my mouth about ac, breaks or any other jab. I appreciate your video for its insight and look forward to hearing more. Cheers
When Triumph does a paint stripe on a gas tank, it's literally hand painted and hand signed by the painter in the UK. When Royal Enfield does a paint stripe on a gas tank, you take off the seat and find it's just a sticker that goes part way around the tank. Better quality? lol. Take a closer look.
Meh seems like your opinion is kinda biased. The interceptor is an instant classic. I much prefer it over my vintage Hondas, both of which had engine finishes nowhere near as nice as my RE…
Comparing current vehicles with ones from almost half a century ago makes no sense. If that's the metric we use, even the cheapest Kia would be "an instant classic".
@@shanec8224 the finish on my 79 and 81 CBs never let me down 🤷🏻♂️ even the 85 rebel I started on had good chrome and paint twenty years later, and that bike, in hindsight, was junk lol
@@YouMotorcycle I just watched your other video on why you’re selling your RE… it was showing the pitting on your polished aluminum and you mention the bike only has 300 miles… I think the previous owner was indeed neglectful. That pitting looks horrendous. I would be bummed about that as well… I’m over 1500 miles and mine looks brand new.
I have my interceptor 650 for 18 months and almost 7,000 km with absolutely zero pitting or rust anywhere (mine has the chrome tank as well).. she looks like the day I bought her. I feel bad for you, mate, maybe you got unlucky there, maybe the previous owner used some bad product to wash her or something. Take care, Cheers!
Why are you showing a t120 liquid cooled? And calling it a t100 liquid cooled I see you had an air-cooled Bonneville.....8whatever I think you also said you only put a few thousand on your triumph I have 40000 on my 2018 black t100 yeah the enfield is aluminum the casings not chrome you DO have to polish it or at least figure someone to do it for ya yuppie or you may want to start to learn to rip it down and maintain it... oh you have a v7 that's cool how's the service department of the moto guzzi great network from what I've heard just awesome I think you need to spend six years with the triumph and tell us what's up... horrible I've looked at r.e. for about six years tuned in for some insight blah well blah.
For a guy who's entire comment looks like it was written by someone who never made it to high school, you're awfully concerned about one 3 second picture in a ten minute video.
It puzzles me why people critique this bike for what isn't like a Bonny or a Japanese bike. No kidding, it isn't either of them or anything else. It looks like it looks, rides like it rides, etc., because it's a RE and that's what makes it not one of those. What you call out as faults, is the character of the bike. You want a flawless finish, a sporty ride, more refinement, buy something else! If you do the proper research, you will know exactly what you're getting for $6k!
Also, where I live, out the door, it's $7800 USD after dealer fees and taxes. For that kind of money you have a huge variety of low mileage options available on the used market to choose from.
@@YouMotorcycle No, I didn't miss that. It's that I've seen so many vidys reviewing the Interceptor constantly comparing it to a Triumph or a Kawasaki W800, etc., and how it isn't like those bikes, how everything is a little bit better on those bikes. My point is why is anyone comparing them in the first place? At this point the 650 has been out in the US for 5 years now. Those comparisons were done back then. It seems redundant for everyone to keep doing the same reviews. The bike is what it is, no more, no less. It isn't trying to be anything else. The bike is $6k for a reason and it is the best bike for that price. Simple, cheap, reliable, and a lot of fun to ride anywhere on. 👍
@@JetScreamer24 if you check out all the comments on the first video you'll find many people are still looking for a head to head comparison, you'll see literally 600+ thumbs up on that video announcing the series. So that's why people are making videos on this topic, because there are easily hundreds of not thousands of people who want to see the comparisons. Now that I've stated the obvious I think the most important thing is... Who cares? Who cares if people want to make content on one topic or another? Why does it matter enough to you to make you want to leave comments complaining about what other people are doing with their time or questioning why other people may or may not be interested? Live and let live.
@@JetScreamer24 I'm trying to decide between a INT650 and a Bonnie SE, and from other comments and forums I'm not the exception. These comparisons exist because these bikes are similar in several aspects. I would even watch a video comparing an INT 650 and an adventure bike like the CB500X, why? Maybe I and others would like to research how these different bikes are like to ride in traffic during commutes to better understand if one can ride comfortably but in a more classic-styled bike. That's just an example ;)
It's all about the budget, or didn't you watch that part of the video? Can't really do a fair comparison on brand new versions, as the Bonnie is so much more expensive, thus expectations will (should) be different.
He was convinced by someone to make this video.... Fake people. The bike is an excellent machine with mid range power delivery with medium HP; most suited for certain categories of dudes including 50+..... But This guy is talking fake for some sponsored video. Don't do such thing. RE is a passion, emotion and heart for us. If you give negative comments also it wouldn't change anything. RE is emotion and passion.
If you like engines that have no consistency in materials or finish and that are 3-4 different colors for no reason other than that it's cheaper to make it like that, then yes, it has the better looking engine. If instead you want a motor that doesn't visually scream "CORNERS WERE CUT HERE DUE TO BUDGET RESTRICTIONS!" than, no, it doesn't have the better looking engine lol
Amateur! Talking shit…..not once did you allude to the cost of the initial purchase (cheap) with the finish in mind. It stands to reason a cheaper bike is likely to have had some built to a price type failings. You talked about this bike as if it was too dollar like a Bonneville……very unfair. No I don’t own a RE, nor am I a fanboy, I just don’t like injustice!
@@karlsquire8148 fair enough, I didn’t hear that…but I stand by what I say. He was unfair about the RE……they are a budget price, so take that into consideration when doing a review.
RE's are slugs. Overweight, bulky and underpowered. If that's what you want, go for it. I'll buy the Triumph speed 400 for a few hundred more other than one of the RE 350's.
If you want to travel fast don’t buy a RE 350. They are for leisurely riding on back roads. I agree that they are excessively heavy for their horsepower output. I have a RE 350 Twin Spark which is lighter and less complicated having a carby. It’s had some head work done but it is not suitable for high speed motorways except for very short bursts. My RE Intercepter is way too heavy for what it is. Enough power, poor riding position re foot pegs and bars. My recommendation for old blokes say 75 plus years, provided you don’t think you’re a twenty year old, would be a RE 350 Meteor. Comfortable seating position, easy handling, good brakes, and light enough to push into the garage. Fast young blokes need fast bikes. The fastest, lightest bike we’ve had in this house was a Sachs 650 Roadster. Perfect handling and 156kgs.
Overall I feel you dish out honest opinion but the constant comparison with T Bonni or v7 makes one suspect your biased opinion or maybe you're paid by the other 2. Simply cos these bikes don't compare ...apples n oranges. For price point interceptor like u say covers most checklists. Your video smhw misleads folks to presuming that bonni & interceptor are same category... which is misplaced. Like it if its your honest approach on all of em. This inty 650 that u bought pre-owned, could you tell what was the on voice price of it in 2019 ?? Would help as I too feel one should go for a pre-owned interceptor to see if it feels like NEW a characteristic of a good MOTO Thanks mate.. ❤
From other videos, the original seat doesn't seem to be too comfortable over longer distances, but RE offers a touring seat option with more positive feedback (rider's weight is of course a factor). If what other reviewers say is accurate, specially with a passenger, probably the rear shocks might not make the best ride and may need an upgrade. Take this with a grain of salt, you should really test it the way you plan to ride the bike.
Ep. 1: I Bought A Bonneville, An Interceptor, And A V7... Which Is Best? czcams.com/video/hHD-uyBBezI/video.html
Ep. 2: Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 - WHAT I GOT WRONG czcams.com/video/p4MOxzU_mx8/video.html
Ep. 3: Triumph Bonneville: Let's RUIN Our Exhausts (ON PURPOSE)! czcams.com/video/dXp2vyvECDw/video.html
Ep. 4: Moto Guzzi V7: Fixing a STOLEN V7 czcams.com/video/HNmJ6IjQkHI/video.html
Ep. 5: Why I SOLD My INTERCEPTOR 650 - Pros & Cons Vs. My Bonneville & V7 czcams.com/video/f3lc6tFAWDM/video.html
Ep. 6: Triumph BONNEVILLE: BEST HANDLING Used Model (vs. V7, Interceptor) czcams.com/video/xsnOLvj0V8M/video.html
Ep. 7: Triumph Bonneville: $100 Suspension Upgrades! czcams.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/video.html
The engine casings on the RE are aluminum and not chrome. Its old skool and you need to put polish on it
Autosol and some elbow grease, perfect!
I enjoy polishing my int650 each year. Helps me keep familiar with the bike and all of its parts. :)
Even on the interceptor chrome edition?
As others have said, You have to polish bare aluminum. The fact that an owner chooses to not maintain their bike is not a design flaw. Also, the Interceptor engine is the best looking of the Royal Enfields. All black like my Hunter screams “I’m too cheap to make it look good”. Also, is “Bon-vil” the Canadian pronunciation for Bonneville? It grates every time you say it.
Yeah it takes a bit of work to keep it looking good, but on the plus side you don’t need to rechrome if you scratch it up while working on the engine, it’s just a solid block of aluminum.
(Plus it looks gorgeous)
Have a 2020 Interceptor: 20 000 kms, no pitting, discolouration or rust anywhere. Like new. Zero mechanical/electrical problems. And the frame welds r so perfect I wonder how manufacturers asking twice or 3x the $s can’t get that rite.
Your best video to date!!! I love the format with validation of your motorcycle knowledge & experiences, addressing differences from your first impressions, acknowledging the good qualities, and calling out areas that need improvements.
Even though I’m a happy owner of one of these bikes (but a newer model) I am still looking forward to the rest of the series on all three of these motorbikes!
I dont know how your 2019 RE INT 650 was treated before you bought it, but I bought a 2020 pre-owned red & black 650 RE 650 INT with just less than 3000 miles on it and the engine side covers (while not perfect) on my bike look a hell of a lot better than the ones on your bike. However, the stock mufflers on mine have less than perfect chrome but I can live with that as they are always behind me and no one has ever commented about them being less than perfect. I now have almost 9000 miles on my 650 INT and I like it a lot. Same for my 2021 RE Meteor 350 and my 2016 Triumph Street Twin. I am located in south eastern Pennsylvania and our riding season will be very limited for a good part of the next ~two months. Keep up the good work with your videos.....
In Brazil any triumph Bonnie will cost you twice than the RE Interceptor 650.
And as someone said before, the Bonnies are not twice the bike.
I went to buying used RE, and they're priced same as Bonnies around here. But ones made 1-2 yrs ago shouldn't have pitting or rust on them. I haven't seen anyone claiming it's twice, but it's certainly not equal either.
Aren't the INT 650 being sent as kits to Manaus or other place and assembled locally to avoid import taxes? That's usually the case even within the lineup of a single brand. You can get accessible honda models in Brazil but others are twice the price compared to another regions.
@@Confedyank here in India, i am able to get a used Interceptor at price of a new Bullet 350 (~2500$) and used bonnie costs even more than a new Interceptor.
@@lalit3124 It does vary per market. Since a new Royal Enfield there costs more than any used here does. In fact it's cheaper for me to buy a new INT there, ship it here, & such than even buying a 2018 INT. Where as buying a 2022 bonnie is cheaper than that here.
Great vid thanks, I have been riding motorcycles for almost 50 years, I own a 2022 GT650 RE and a 2012 Bonneville SE, you are right about both of those bikes the RE handles better than the Bonneville, but the Bonneville is better for 2 up riding than the RE is so when I ride on my own its the Royal or my 73 RD350 and when the wife and I ride its the Bonneville SE. You said it about the Royal " it is what it is" and that's why I love the bike so much it was inexpensive, it is probably the most true to a Retro motorcycle along with the W800. I my self love the look of the engine as it looks like something from the 60's the big huge side cover on the right side of the bike, I love my GT650, it has 15000 km's, no pitting or anything, however to your point there maybe some inconsistencies in the manufacturing, it almost seems some are better than others, I don't know if that is possible or not but it seems that maybe the case. another thing I love about my Royal, NO Rider modes, I hate rider modes, I think they are more of a marketing gimmick than something useful. I love my bike because it is not perfect and because of the lower hp and torque output, I really have work the transmission to keep the bike doing what I want it to do and that makes my riding experience more fun, I have so much fun on the 507 and 503, loon lake, Bancroft, Dyno Road, Tory hill on that bike and because of the imperfections of the bike is what , to me , gives the bike character, its like riding something from the 60's or 70's, almost. People ask me how I like it and I always say, "it does nothing great but everything good". a little clarity, I'm 59 years old and big Horse power to me became un eventful about 12 years ago, so if someone wants big HP and torque its not the bike for them. Thanks for your review I saw it come up as I subscribe to your channel and watched it right a way, great job looking forward to more vids. If the Royal makes it through to the upgrade part or even the Bonneville look in to booster plugs to richen them up makes them run a lot smoother and nicer I have one on my Triumph and my Royal. Cheers buddy. Oh one more point and I only mention this because if someone is thinking they might want a RE 650 but have concerns about power, 401 some times has a flow of traffic of 130 to 140, No problem on my Royal Enfield 650 with 2 up my wife and I do it all the time and believe it or not I have done over 160km's with both of us on RE650 but I suspect I might have been on a slight down grade with a tail wind :-). cheers.
I have a 2023 RE INT650, purchased new and owned 1 year in Michigan where we have lots of road salt left over from our winters. Also, I live on a dirt road where a lot of calcium chloride (a salt) is put down. I simply follow Stuart Fillingham's cleaning and polishing methods. Result is I have zero pitting or rust *anywhere* on the bike. It looks showroom new. I think someone severely abused your used RE.
Thanks for that, I’ve just bought a s/h Interceptor, it looks well looked after. I’ve owned REs since 2003 mostly bought brand new. The UCE engines were a quantum leap from the old iron barrel ones as the Electras were a mighty improvement over the iron barrel ones. You could never be sure whether you bought a Monday morning bike, a Wednesday bike or a Friday afternoon bike and the metallurgy was a worry on those iron barrel bikes. The piston tops used to separate, the gearboxes had three or four neutrals and so on but the chains lasted well due to the oil mist tube from the crankcase. Wet sumping was a problem for a lot of them. They did have lots of character. You could do most repairs at the roadside which you can’t these days. I think Royal Enfields just keep getting better. No-one has problems with the alloy cases if you keep the metal polish up to them.
Personally I think the girl you were comparing the bike to was pretty close to perfect 👍 😊
June 2019 I bought the interceptor. The battery pooped in 6 months. The speedo wheel sender was replaced under warranty at 12k miles. My last real valve adjustment was at 12k. 18-24k valves in spec. 30k one valve barely needed adjustment. 36k speedo cable flex cracked because the plastic covering is too hard. 2$ at Home Depot and I spliced new soft rubber wiring in the middle saving replacement at 70$.
I call this quite trouble free. I ride nearly exclusively in southern California 's mountains grinding everything both sides to include the exhaust pipes. It handles quite well. It'll do 100 mph and ridden within 55 mph achieve 75 mpg. This is the British bike I'd never owned in the 70's because they handled and performed but they leaked vibrated and blew up.
I think that the engine looks like it is supposed to look... retro. The black bottom part of the cylinder is very traditional. The chrome pipes with the not chrome engine sides look just like lots of 70's bikes. So to me the looks of the engine are very good and looks very retro.
Embrace that contrast, it highlights every different part with the only cost to you is for the special and different cleaners needed, like for say barrels vs chain covers etc. Eye catching and i love it too.
Great video. I have a 2022 INT650. The fit and finish is very good on mine. No rust pitting so far. I'm somewhat of a polish Fanatic, so I went after the aluminum covers with BlueMagic right away. It's long lasting and protects the surface. The engine can be considered ugly, somewhat odd, but it grows on you. The most annoying thing (just kidding) about it is that it is a spectator magnet. The Triumph is a better looking bike, but an ordinary person walking between the two will notice and be drawn to the INT. The other bike, oh yea, just another Triumph. So far my INT650 has been a pleasure to own and ride.
Very well rounded video. I value hearing about bikes from people that actually own them, much more than motorcycle press "journalists".
Great information. Looking forward to seeing the other comparisons, especially the v7.
Thanks!! Finally got the first V7 video done! czcams.com/video/HNmJ6IjQkHI/video.html
I've only had my Continental GT650 since last May ...but done over 4,500 miles, including some wet weather riding and 3 or 4 rides on our british winter salt-treated roads, however I've had no pitting on the engine cases (or anywhere) ...so far.
I really like the way you assess the bikes and really humble to explain your past mistakes. I completely agree that the quality of a motorcycle is its condition after many years.
I am at Kawasaki a VN 800 that is 20 years old. In fact 22 years old and although it’s only done 2.5 thousand miles, it still is 20 years old and looks like brand-new. If Royal Enfield does deteriorate, no matter how well-kept, it would be off my list. Glad to have found this site and subscribed.
Keep doing you dude, I see people defending a brand, and while it's not terrible, I feel the internet doesn't want to face reality.
Also, I haven't been on internet much lately, and for whatever reason youtube isn't pushing your vids.
Great video - I really appreciate the aging of bikes... my 79 KZ650SR still has decent-looking chrome, and my 05 Vulcan 800 has great-looking chrome. I'd be PISSED if it started pitting and fogging like that!
Thank you. This is very helpful. I'm sorting out what bike to get coming back to riding after literally 45 years. One direction I may go is boiling down to Bonneville v. Interceptor. The interceptor would be fine for me power wise etc.. I like saving the money and I actually think it is a lovely bike. But, I do worry about longevity finish wise and also resale. Leaning toward Bonneville at the moment for those reasons. But, it depends what day you talk to me which way I am leaning. I'm also considering the 350-400 cc range given my advanced age, 🙂, and long time away from riding. Maybe RE Classic 350 - maybe one of the new Triumphs (also made in India). I am more drawn to the RE in that group. What I don't want to do is to buy a Continental and then find myself spending a fortune in my time and money on power and performance upgrades to essentially turn it into what I would have with a Bonneville. That makes zero sense to me.
Great serie: those 3 bikes are exactly the 3 I’m struggling to chose from 😁
I’m fond of the Bonnie but it’ll depend on what occasion I can find.
Thanks for your videos
Yep, that us a good selection, I'll 2nd that.
I like the retro/modern classic style bikes and the three bikes you are reviewing are on my short list. I've looked and sat on all 3 but still have to test ride. All these bikes have character so the decision will be a difficult one. Looking forward to your next video. However i have another bike to now think about. The BSA 650 Gold Star. You will have to wait until it gets to your side of the pond.😂 Thanks again.😊
Dear @carltonwittland1300 I was a old mechanic in a shop in Montréal dealing with vintage BSA/NORTON AND TRIUMPH including the new ones till 2017.
My valid opinion is if you dont have a hefty tool kit and a valid knowledge on greasing your hands every time you ride, don't spend any money on a old school BSA.
Even mint they leak oil, gaskets are dry, carburators need regular ajustement to the fine point and I can still go on rambling. Hoping you get one of the 3 bikes mentioned in the video and not a BSA.
Good luck
@@benleblanc3618 Hello and thanks for that very sound bit of advice. These old bikes advertised for sale look very shiny and nice and you are correct. They will always need maintenance and my mechanical skills are basic . I mentioned the BSA 650 Gold Star as it is a modern classic similar to the other three bikes being evaluated. It's been on sale now in the UK for 18 months and is starting to get positive reviews by CZcams testers. I really like the sound and low down torque from a 650 single thumber. Hopefully it will be sold in Canada and the States soon. Check it out and thanks again for your good advice 👍 😀.
Whatever you say. I have an re interceptor. Had it 2 years, never had any issues. Love it….
Thanks for posting, a very thought provoking video. Triumph doesn't have a presence in my locale and they are relatively rare here so I haven't had the chance to ride one. I am lucky enough to have a 2021 Royal Enfield continental GT 650 and a 2023 Moto Guzzi V7 Special. I can relate to your observations. For myself, I would put it this way. The R.E. Conti. GT650 is for bashing through the back lanes when you want a bit of "Genuine riding fun". It isn't fast but it is "Endearing" as you say. The handling is light and direct and exceeds the power by some margin. The Guzzi, V7 850, is for when you want to travel to an event, in a relaxed mode and ensures you arrive in style. I know which one I would want to ride across Europe on. There is little to compare the two in my view as they are in relatively different sectors. R.E. is modestly priced and the Guzzi is a finer machine overall. I'll be keeping both by the way, for a long time!
I am not familiar with any of these bikes so this is very informative. I think I'll try this bike out next summer. Thanks and looking forward to the next video.
I had a string of 865 Triumphs over the years but wanted to try something different. Bought an Interceptor after reading the glowing reviews but just could no gel with it. You're right, the engine doesn't exude much excitement and the handling didn't instil confidence when pushing on. My ownership was only a brief 3 months. Maybe I didn't give it enough time but I was making a mental list of things I wanted to change every time I took it out. The SE Bonneville is arguably a much nicer bike to ride and perhaps hits the sweet spots in power, handling, looks and comfort in a modern classic. Agree, the 17inch wheels are a revelation and transform the bike. If in future Royal Enfield ups the displacement of that engine, introduces 17inch cast alloy rims, I'd definitely revisit it. Suspension is a relatively simple fix provided the price point of the bike remains where it is, one can justify the mod.
Great review in the best colour I'm looking in getting a test ride very soon 😊
Did you ever do the test ride? How'd it go?
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The bare alloy cases worried me on the Classic 350 too. So I bought a Dark Gunmetal Grey model which has a black powder coated finish. Not as pretty, but much more durable. And guess what? The Interceptor is now available with the same finish too. They've also upgraded the switch cubes to black alloy - taking the improved components from the Super Meteor 👍
I got the 350 Meteor whose engine is all black. The finish is extremely robust and after 20,000 is still as new. Ditto the cast wheels - I will never buy a bike with spoked rims again. Added bonus is tubeless tyres and the easy of fixing a roadside puncture.
Overall RE is improving its finish with every new model that gets released.
Mellow is exciting especially when a bike looks soooo cool😎😎😎
At the end of the day, it's my job to call things how I see them, and it's people's jobs to pick whatever is best for them. For a lot of people this bike will make the most sense, and if they're informed and happy motorcyclists, then that's great and we've all done our parts :)
Good review. I want one. Boring isn't an issue. I'm 73 years old. Royal Enfields are about the only reasonably priced bikes in Argentina.
I guess i'm going to have to come over there and ride all these contraptions to see if i agree with your reviews.
Man, im buying soon a 2023 RE interceptor 650 all black, after one year testing all brands and models. Best smooth ride i ever had. This is a real M.O.T.O.R.C.Y.C.L.E. A steel frame, two wheels, a good engine, few gauges, lot of fun while riding safely and 3 years warranty whitout mileage limit. Fantastic customer service and plenty of parts and accesories at a reasonable price. Do you want me tell you something about Guzzi?. Manure has more value than Guzzi.
I'm loving my Guzzi. czcams.com/video/f3lc6tFAWDM/video.html
Hey Adrian. Good video on the Int650. Didn’t realize you still had it. If you can find another one for that price, I’ll buy it. 😀. Cheers. Dan M.
Hey Dan. Did you get a new phone number? I tried calling you but it definitely wasn't you who answered haha. Maybe I have the wrong number. Give me a ring please! :)
0My younger brother rides Cont 650 and the one thing we both agreed upon when looking for that type of bike ... There isn't anything like it within 30-40% of the price. You can get them for 6100 - 6500 bucks all day long. I think you can get the W800 for 9 grand sometimes and probably the Speed Twin for under 10k.
At least if you are going cruiser you can look at the Shadow or Boulevard and stuff like that. That retro British bike look simply costs so much from everyone else that RE finds itself is the spot of being the only player in its segment.
I think the success of those RE 650s shows that there is a desire for that type of bike without the need of superior power. I wonder if the other manufacturers have ceded that spot to them or if some cheaper options are on the way. Honda loves that 500 they put in like 100 bikes maybe them? Suzuki won't for sure. Triumph just released that 400 so maybe they will get part of that market but they don't really look the part, which I understand from them, they want you on their Bonnys. Just hoping for more "entry level" options with that retro look.
Greetings, Adrian. John in Colorado, again! Our motorcycle tastes / interests must be quite similar. I'm old, though, so much of my early riding was on "classics." Did 200K miles on BMW twins in 70s / 80s. Stopped "cold-turkey" for work and family, then returned on a Moto Guzzi Norge -- a 2008 NOS I got in 2010. Sorry I sold it, as it was a great bike. Now, as you'll likely remember, my garage houses the two G650GSs. I wonder if you've yet had a chance to look at the Super Meteor in Canada? I finally sat on one here in The Springs. I wonder if the fit/finish issues have been improved? Even if RE is getting better as an evolution, rather than a "revolution," many have commented favorably on the new 650, and the Himalayan. Perhaps they're succumbing to "fan-boy" syndrome, but they do seem to be moving in the right direction. Best to you. J
I have had no problems pitting or rusting. I do keep it in a garage. The bike is simple, not loaded with tech, comes in at a low price is good for new riders and riders wanting to downscale. No, it's not a Triumph, but it's got more heritage than the current company. The Interceptor is my second bike and great for around town. I bought it because a Moto Guzzi dealer is in another state and Triumphs are kinda pricey and the wife doesn't like climbing on the back of my R1200GS.
Every bike in this series is simple, not loaded with tech, and cost less than the used Interceptor 650 did lol. But yeah, if the Guzzi dealer is in another state, definitely stay away, unfortunately
@@YouMotorcycle V7's are fairly rock solid. They have lock and screw valves. I do now have a Moto Guzzi dealer in my state. Having an Interceptor means getting a Guzzi would simply be getting a bike in roughly the same category.
i have a 2012 bonneville but i think you should fix and finish the Guzzi, its a trouble free bike and it is a little nicer to ride.
The MotoGuzzi V 7 is made in Italy and has shaft drive. Best one of your video. Real thing not an imatation or a plain counterfeit.
That's one way of looking at it. Imitation or not, I'd say the Bonneville on paper has the other two motorcycles beat. But if authenticity is what you're after, than the Guzzi might be the way to go. I just put out another video in the series, here, if you're bored: czcams.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/video.html
@@YouMotorcycle MG has hydraulic valve adjustment and shaft drive. You can replace the cam chain with gears and eliminate that potential head ache. The New Triumph has shim under bucket valve adjustment which means expensive dealer serviceing. The RE 650 is a cheap bike made with cheap labor and cheaper parts. Both the New Triumph and the RE 650 are made to be disposable. The MG is built old school where it's rebuidable forever ♾️. My 1999 883 is 25 years old and Still is on the original engine. The old RE 350 pre- unit was rebuidable forever ♾️ . They could make more money because the new ones are cheaper to build. Cheapening the product while more profitable in the short run will have consequences down the line. The MG will be still around while the other 2 will be recycled into beer cans.
You are right about the mag wheeled Bonnie with the 17 wheel but the 900 (865) Thruxton had an 18 wheel and was more stable. The turn in was slower the cafe style bars added to that. In riding the mag bonnie, when going to the Thruxton first ride a went scary wide in my first conner in comparison.
I have heard Interceptor owners swear by Silkolene Proprep spray on any bare metal, chromed or polished aluminium surfaces to keep it all looking good. Sad fact is if RE built the Interceptor to the same build quality as the Bonneville, they couldn't sell it for 2/3rds of the Bonneville's price!
Very interesting point. I made a video on why I sold this motorcycle and one of my comments was that I wish they had spent $500 more on the fit and finish, and charged $500 more for the motorcycle. It would've been really interesting to see a better quality Interceptor, for a little more money.
The looks of the Interceptor engine have grown on me. I think it's a lot better looking than the engines of the new Triumphs, which look like the offspring of a 1970 T120 and a hippopotamus.
lmao, thanks for the laugh
I put a deposit on the blacked-out RE Interceptor 650 here in San Diego and should arrive either in January or February, God willing. 😎
Just curious, are you in the Massachusetts/Cambridge area? Thought I saw some familiar areas with the trolley tracks, etc. Great video. Looking forward to the rest of the series (and yes, I've subscribed :-))
fyi, I think all his videos are in Toronto
He’s Canadian eh
I would like to start off with........ Thank you. I have been shopping for a bike for a little while. Quick background, My first bike was a 78' Honda GL500. Right after that I traded for a 78' Goldwing. Rode it for a long time and sold it got married, kids blablabla. I'm hella old now , kids grown and ready to get back on two wheels. My local dealer Has Royal Enfield, Suzuki, Zero, QJ and a lot of used bikes. I liked the price of the RE but not comfortable in the seat. They have a 2011 Fury with 4200 miles on it I was really comfy in that seat. Those are the two bikes that have my attention. The RE is new $6500+ and the Fury is $6500+. I trust the Honda more. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the review. Personally, i don't mind the mix of alloy, black and chrome on the engine and pipes, my '79 Bonnie is the same. I'm not a huge fan of the egg shaped engine on the other side, but i actually found it less offensive than the modern triumphs take on my classic. Where my Bonnie is lean and purposeful i felt the new Bonnie was heavy, clunky and obese. I've actually got over my dislike of the egg engine thing as at least it looks like an A65. Where i think that RE failed though is those upswept pipes at the expense of pillion leg room. For such a do it all bike this seems like they were chasing the look at the expense of the function in an effort to mimic the Look of the original interceptor.
Hey there! I agree that the look better reflects the bikes of that era... I just wish that they hadn't gone that "in the weeds" with trying to replicate the style of before, and instead opted to make it a little more polished by adding consistency. Newest video of the series just went live today after a little winter hiatus / dealing with some personal stuff, if you're bored, give it a look: czcams.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/video.html
Im kind of amazed at the number of people who don’t know the difference between chrome and aluminum, chrome requires less maintenance but has a lesser ability to dissipate heat.
I think everyone knows the difference it's just that it's kind of redundant. The point is that whatever choice of finish Royal Enfield chooses to do, Honda has done them all, half a century ago, and they hold up well, whereas Royal Enfield has the benefit of fifty years of learning but didn't seem to have cared to learn or spent a bit more to seal their aluminum finish
cant complain about the engine cases its bare aluminium, cant remember honda ever using bare metal, always coated with silver paint
You messed up the engine casing part. That's bare aluminium mate. You've to polish that and you don't need to disassemble them for buffing.
If anyone can't decide which 'modern classic' bike to get, then there's always the Kawasaki W800 to consider.
ya I love the w800 its the nicest out of all of them IMO but you pay for it.
Definitely nicer than anything RE has and more retro than any triumph. If I wanted to spend more than I did on my interceptor I would have gone with a W800, it’s stunning in person.
@@MotorcycleWrites RE will make classic-styled bikes forever, and so too will Triumph, but I wouldn't expect the W800 to be around forever, so whilst they aren't cheap new, I've seen good used ones for slightly more than the price of a new RE Classic 350, making the Kawasaki a compelling alternative. If I didn't own a Harley Davidson, I'd definitely consider the W800 ... just to be different, be cool and because I've never owned a Kawasaki before.
@@karlsquire8148 I agree, definitely expensive as a new purchase and they do lose a bit of value, but for anyone who buys a good used one at the right price, I think that's the way to go. I've seen low mileage W800's for the same price as a new RE Classic 350. If I didn't own a H-D, I'd definitely consider a good used W800.
@@Jonathan-L that’s a great point. I was looking at new ones because I was trying to get something warrantied for a daily rider alongside my unreliable 80s cafe racer. Getting a used one would be a great idea.
One thing I can say is that RE's dealer network really sucks in Southern Ontario. There's a dealer in Acton then nothing all the way to Windsor?...are you kidding me?!!
Even though I am indian. I 💯% agree with you on the ugly motor and cheap chrome part. It's a shame that people who want a classic chrome finished bike have to force themselves to accept the blacked out colourways because they know that this chrome wont last more than 2 months.
Mine has been 3 years and still shining like brand new. You've to take care mate
As a guy thats only riden a bsa from 1965 & a triumph tiger from 1969-okay i have rode a honda 50 cc from 1978 but i dont really count that monkey bike- complaining about amount of elbow grease it takes to clean the bike is crazy to me. Maybe im a bit biased based on my exp. But isnt that apart of appreciating the bike? Working, cleaning, and enjoying the time you spend on your machine?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but air conditioning and disk brakes weren't standard on cars from the 60s and 70s right? Does that mean complaining if your car's AC doesnt work well and it doesn't stop too good is also crazy to you also?
If you want to judge a vehicle of today by the standards of half a century ago, than let's throw all progress out the window and every 💩box of a vehicle can be considered the best thing ever. I think it's ridiculous to even compare the standards of half a century ago to what's available today.
@@YouMotorcycleI'm not comparing, sir. I said based on my exp so far, which I did admit in the original that it is inherently biased based on my exposure to motorcycles. It was a simple question bc I don't know modern motorcycles Thats why I follow the channel. I found It quite nitpicking on an aluminum finish on a cheaper motorcycle that doesn't compare to a much more expensive bike from the factory. As you also pointed out not all wear is equal and that is also fair. I just don't expect a finish on a motorcycle which here in the states I can get brand new for $4999 compared well to a t100. Even a used t100(using one I found in Ohio for example) 2020 triumph with over 6000 miles $6999 a poor comparison a new one is much more. Thats like comparing a budget sedan to a Cadillac and wondering why it doesn't have as good carbon fiber. And you did not answer my question is a bit of elbow grease going to hurt you? Is having a little work on your motorcycle CRAZY to you? I figure not for you. So, Id appreciate it if you do not put words in my mouth about ac, breaks or any other jab. I appreciate your video for its insight and look forward to hearing more. Cheers
Got it wrong for sure,it is actually better quality than the Triumph and equal to the Guzzi
When Triumph does a paint stripe on a gas tank, it's literally hand painted and hand signed by the painter in the UK. When Royal Enfield does a paint stripe on a gas tank, you take off the seat and find it's just a sticker that goes part way around the tank. Better quality? lol. Take a closer look.
What you failed to mention is that all the cheap parts that you mentioned are meant to be replaced and customized
Alloy cases require elbow grease ,chrome needs a wipe. Might be a 3rd video ?
Bonnies are great, Speed Twin is the pick of the bunch. Far from boring. RE are getting better, but still a long way to go.
Meh seems like your opinion is kinda biased. The interceptor is an instant classic. I much prefer it over my vintage Hondas, both of which had engine finishes nowhere near as nice as my RE…
Comparing current vehicles with ones from almost half a century ago makes no sense. If that's the metric we use, even the cheapest Kia would be "an instant classic".
@@YouMotorcycle that was in response to your comparison to vintage Hondas….we all know kias are garbage…
@@shanec8224 the finish on my 79 and 81 CBs never let me down 🤷🏻♂️ even the 85 rebel I started on had good chrome and paint twenty years later, and that bike, in hindsight, was junk lol
@@YouMotorcycle I just watched your other video on why you’re selling your RE… it was showing the pitting on your polished aluminum and you mention the bike only has 300 miles… I think the previous owner was indeed neglectful. That pitting looks horrendous. I would be bummed about that as well… I’m over 1500 miles and mine looks brand new.
i m struggling with mine
Anything I can help with?
@@YouMotorcycle I did fixed it
@@SouravAcharya9444 ok great 😃👍 what happened?
@@YouMotorcycle I got in a massing breakdown (in a middle of a ride) it's in my channel but it's in Hindi u can't understand
The finish is not cheap, but as it would have been on a 60's bike. it is the most genuine of the three bikes.
I have my interceptor 650 for 18 months and almost 7,000 km with absolutely zero pitting or rust anywhere (mine has the chrome tank as well).. she looks like the day I bought her. I feel bad for you, mate, maybe you got unlucky there, maybe the previous owner used some bad product to wash her or something.
Take care, Cheers!
Nice Ducati hoodie 😂
Hahaha, oops. You weren't supposed to notice that 😂
REINT650 6,149 3yrs warrant. 6gears 58-61mpg
T100 10,795 2yrs warrant. 5gears 42-44mpg
V7 9,590 2yrs warrant. 5gears 45-46mpg
So what I understand from this video is that if you have budget then buy Triumph otherwise Royal Enfield it is.
Don't rule the V7 out of the competition either. Just shared the first video on it here: czcams.com/video/HNmJ6IjQkHI/video.html
Why are you showing a t120 liquid cooled? And calling it a t100 liquid cooled I see you had an air-cooled Bonneville.....8whatever I think you also said you only put a few thousand on your triumph I have 40000 on my 2018 black t100 yeah the enfield is aluminum the casings not chrome you DO have to polish it or at least figure someone to do it for ya yuppie or you may want to start to learn to rip it down and maintain it... oh you have a v7 that's cool how's the service department of the moto guzzi great network from what I've heard just awesome I think you need to spend six years with the triumph and tell us what's up... horrible I've looked at r.e. for about six years tuned in for some insight blah well blah.
For a guy who's entire comment looks like it was written by someone who never made it to high school, you're awfully concerned about one 3 second picture in a ten minute video.
@@YouMotorcycledidn't know you could see me thru my screen. Lol
He keeps saying Bonneville wrong 😭
lol how do you say it??
The Bullet is a great bike .Even the old ones.But they are not for idiots.
It puzzles me why people critique this bike for what isn't like a Bonny or a Japanese bike. No kidding, it isn't either of them or anything else. It looks like it looks, rides like it rides, etc., because it's a RE and that's what makes it not one of those. What you call out as faults, is the character of the bike. You want a flawless finish, a sporty ride, more refinement, buy something else! If you do the proper research, you will know exactly what you're getting for $6k!
😂 you missed the part about this being one of a whole series of videos comparing multiple bikes huh?
Also, where I live, out the door, it's $7800 USD after dealer fees and taxes. For that kind of money you have a huge variety of low mileage options available on the used market to choose from.
@@YouMotorcycle No, I didn't miss that. It's that I've seen so many vidys reviewing the Interceptor constantly comparing it to a Triumph or a Kawasaki W800, etc., and how it isn't like those bikes, how everything is a little bit better on those bikes. My point is why is anyone comparing them in the first place? At this point the 650 has been out in the US for 5 years now. Those comparisons were done back then. It seems redundant for everyone to keep doing the same reviews. The bike is what it is, no more, no less. It isn't trying to be anything else. The bike is $6k for a reason and it is the best bike for that price. Simple, cheap, reliable, and a lot of fun to ride anywhere on. 👍
@@JetScreamer24 if you check out all the comments on the first video you'll find many people are still looking for a head to head comparison, you'll see literally 600+ thumbs up on that video announcing the series. So that's why people are making videos on this topic, because there are easily hundreds of not thousands of people who want to see the comparisons.
Now that I've stated the obvious I think the most important thing is... Who cares? Who cares if people want to make content on one topic or another? Why does it matter enough to you to make you want to leave comments complaining about what other people are doing with their time or questioning why other people may or may not be interested? Live and let live.
@@JetScreamer24 I'm trying to decide between a INT650 and a Bonnie SE, and from other comments and forums I'm not the exception. These comparisons exist because these bikes are similar in several aspects. I would even watch a video comparing an INT 650 and an adventure bike like the CB500X, why? Maybe I and others would like to research how these different bikes are like to ride in traffic during commutes to better understand if one can ride comfortably but in a more classic-styled bike. That's just an example ;)
Just another CZcamsr riding the huge wave of Royal Enfields success. Take all this with a grain of salt guys.
If that were the case why would I eliminate it from the series so early on?
No sense
Are you comparing an old Bonnie with a NEW RE....thats no very fair is it......
I get a STRONG FEELING THAT RE HAVE BRIBED YOU.
It's all about the budget, or didn't you watch that part of the video?
Can't really do a fair comparison on brand new versions, as the Bonnie is so much more expensive, thus expectations will (should) be different.
Bollicks.
@@RichardParsons65
Actually they are very fair comparison, the are similar in tech.
New one is twice or more the price.....
He was convinced by someone to make this video.... Fake people. The bike is an excellent machine with mid range power delivery with medium HP; most suited for certain categories of dudes including 50+.....
But This guy is talking fake for some sponsored video.
Don't do such thing. RE is a passion, emotion and heart for us.
If you give negative comments also it wouldn't change anything. RE is emotion and passion.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro you yourself admitted to RE being an emotion for you, it means you have a bias.
I hate this video
Bah the inteeceptor has the better looking engine
If you like engines that have no consistency in materials or finish and that are 3-4 different colors for no reason other than that it's cheaper to make it like that, then yes, it has the better looking engine.
If instead you want a motor that doesn't visually scream "CORNERS WERE CUT HERE DUE TO BUDGET RESTRICTIONS!" than, no, it doesn't have the better looking engine lol
Amateur! Talking shit…..not once did you allude to the cost of the initial purchase (cheap) with the finish in mind. It stands to reason a cheaper bike is likely to have had some built to a price type failings. You talked about this bike as if it was too dollar like a Bonneville……very unfair. No I don’t own a RE, nor am I a fanboy, I just don’t like injustice!
I'm with you
Actually he did, he said it was only 75 percent of the cost of a Bonneville, you must have skipped that part.
@@karlsquire8148 fair enough, I didn’t hear that…but I stand by what I say. He was unfair about the RE……they are a budget price, so take that into consideration when doing a review.
RE's are slugs. Overweight, bulky and underpowered. If that's what you want, go for it. I'll buy the Triumph speed 400 for a few hundred more other than one of the RE 350's.
Re have a liquid cooled engine now....450cc.
They will put it in hunter or scram next.
Nah bro the triumph 400 is bad and full of vibrations above 80-90 kmph.
If you want to travel fast don’t buy a RE 350. They are for leisurely riding on back roads. I agree that they are excessively heavy for their horsepower output. I have a RE 350 Twin Spark which is lighter and less complicated having a carby. It’s had some head work done but it is not suitable for high speed motorways except for very short bursts. My RE Intercepter is way too heavy for what it is. Enough power, poor riding position re foot pegs and bars. My recommendation for old blokes say 75 plus years, provided you don’t think you’re a twenty year old, would be a RE 350 Meteor. Comfortable seating position, easy handling, good brakes, and light enough to push into the garage. Fast young blokes need fast bikes. The fastest, lightest bike we’ve had in this house was a Sachs 650 Roadster. Perfect handling and 156kgs.
@@brucewalker5890 Wouldn't the new RE Super Meteor 650 be a better option than the 350 Meteor in your scenario?
RE = Poor quality
Bruh you're commenting on the channel that used to say the same thing. He is speaking with experience, Newer RE's are decent
Overall I feel you dish out honest opinion but the constant comparison with T Bonni or v7 makes one suspect your biased opinion or maybe you're paid by the other 2.
Simply cos these bikes don't compare ...apples n oranges. For price point interceptor like u say covers most checklists.
Your video smhw misleads folks to presuming that bonni & interceptor are same category... which is misplaced.
Like it if its your honest approach on all of em.
This inty 650 that u bought pre-owned, could you tell what was the on voice price of it in 2019 ?? Would help as I too feel one should go for a pre-owned interceptor to see if it feels like NEW a characteristic of a good MOTO
Thanks mate.. ❤
Thanks for the video, but how able the seat? Can you travel for hours with passenger without issue? 🤔
From other videos, the original seat doesn't seem to be too comfortable over longer distances, but RE offers a touring seat option with more positive feedback (rider's weight is of course a factor). If what other reviewers say is accurate, specially with a passenger, probably the rear shocks might not make the best ride and may need an upgrade. Take this with a grain of salt, you should really test it the way you plan to ride the bike.