Oda STOLE One Piece..
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If you ever want to say a story of any kind is "stolen" just try to think about how many stories are either direct retelling or referencing Norse and Greek myth.
What you're addressing is called the Mythical Method in literature. T.S. Eliot wrote an essay on this after Ulysses came out, and his poem the Waste Land is an exploration of this method. A lot of genre fiction has its roots in myth, whether it's a retelling or borrowing age old storytelling tropes. It isn't necessarily bad to engage with this. Rather, it's how the author makes it their own, the quality of their work, etc. I saw your quote around "stolen" after my initial comment, so I'm not really arguing - just adding to what you said
Everything's a copy of a copy of a copy
Fun fact the original dragon ball story was weary loosely based off of journey to the west
or journey to the west
@@redhumanx1852 yep, it's almost one to one
Next time someone tells me elements of one story are taken from another, I'm going to look them dead in the eyes and respond "no shit"
Bit of an odd thing to do. Deciding to be rude to people just because you recently acquired a better understanding of a topic.
@NorthAyase the world isn't a nice place if you think that was rude, I'm afraid any further discourse may hurt you delicate sensibilities. Have a nice day.
@@NorthAyaseIt could be ruder. This is milk toast "rude".
@@NorthAyase Storytellers have been "stealing" from other people's stories since before writing existed.
I mean....when stealing from folklore and mythology, it isn't really theft. It's just the core of language and culture and humanity. I could argue that if you speak english, you're technically stealing each of your words from hundreds of years of development and various cultures that lent themselves to the lexicon to the language itself. Feels a little...convoluted.
not really a good comparison. it’s different when the story is reskinned like how one piece is
@@SpagettyLettuceNot really. It’s using his culture and adding some of his own stuff onto so it’s more fun, to him and the readers.
@@HOLLOW4life wrong. he literally took the exact same plot from an 80s movie and added what you see
@ SalKhayer
Hundreds of years of development?
@@SpagettyLettuce He did not; he just took the names and added his story twist. Also, the Tammate box contained an explosion and it blasted in whole cake island, but it didn't age anything. Also, those drugs are here to make a body stronger, and the side effect is that it will reduce the lifespan, so it's not about the folklore; he just took the names. If it's stealing, then many mangakas took the names from folklore and added their twist to it. Did the Strawhats find a turtle? No, they want to go to Fishman Island to enter a new world. Also, the themes of this arc are mainly about discrimination, slavery, and racism, not just folklore. He is just yapping a bunch of information out of his ass.
That’s not Oda. That’s Eiji Aonuma.
thats the joke. cause literally, first pic googling oda is aounuma
the guy in the cover? no thats Oda
@@newt2120 on the thumbnail? Tht is not Oda. Lol.
I mean have you even saw them in the same room?🤨 case closed
Its so funny when someone uses that pic when talking about oda😂
I love the way Oda talks about one piece its as if he is simply the camera man, and has no control over what happens
you can’t “steal” content without being super deliberate about it, inspiration is an entire other thing that happens in all art all the time, including content
I don't get people who do not like fishman island arc. It's great. Maybe fights weren't that good, but who the hell watches one piece for fights alone? It has a lot of emotions, story itself is good, and makes you think a lot about fishman's fate. It was great exploration of one piece's themes of freedom and generational trauma.
also, this isn't Oda's picture
I think its more that Hody wasnt as good as Arlong as a villain. The lore is great aside from that
@@ayushborkar8089 yeah, but I really don’t see Hody as a villain tbh. More of a victim. And I think it was really well explored.
I agree with you
I think sanji's moment make the arc hated
@@user-xp3mg6kg7j oh, that makes sense
A lot of people don't understand the difference between taking inspiration from other works and stealing/copying them. Great example is Nick Simmons (son of Gene Simmons the bassist of band KISS) who made a comic book that was stealing from many manga, most notably Bleach. Panels copied almost 1:1 ratio, characters who looked the same just with changed hair color etc.
"Good artists copy, Great artists steal"
-Pablo Picasso
People really cant tellcthe differences between inspiration, homage, and plagiarism.
Forget about Japanese culture, folk lore, and mythology that are ingrained in much of manga and anime, that most western audiences are ignorant to.
Thats definitely a picture of Eiji Aonuma the director for the Legend of Zelda series. Oddly enough its the first picture that comes up when searching for Oda. Not sure what trolling caused that to happen lmao
They both are related with peak fiction
At least get an actual picture of Oda 🤦♂️
This is why I believe One Piece is about stories. I think Oda set out to write his own grand "Odyssey" dedicated to his love of stories and story-telling, by weaving together all of his favorite tales, old and new, and remixing them with his own ideas and imagination.
In our real world, there are many myths from various cultures throughout history that are seemingly quite different, but still contain many of the same themes and ideas in different forms. Some stories are more important or seen as more "true" to certain people, and that's okay, because these varied myths and tales are each still just ONE small PIECE of the entire story of the human race.
The title of "One Piece" likely represents the combining of many of these different stories and tales and myths into a single story, but also to show that even the entire story of One Piece is also only one part of the overall larger story of mankind.
The world of One Piece itself is an exaggerated microcosm made up of stories loosely connected by threads, (like the magnetic pull between islands) because someone wants to control the narrative and keep them apart both in space (like how the red line, grand line, and calm belts make world traversal very difficult) and in time (the void century).
Pirates are those who decide not to live in the world of their own separate stories, but set out to explore others, and thus create a whole new story made up of their adventures.
Luffy feels this "magnetic" pull of adventure from island to island, and wants the freedom experience all the stories the world has to offer. To take his story and fate into his own hands.
Many other characters embody this dream in different ways, Tom with connecting these stories with the Sea Train, Usopp with his "lies", which are really just stories of things yet to happen, Robin with wanting to learn the true history of the world, ect.
I also think the One Piece treasure and "Laugh Tale" itself is both the full story of One Piece, the history of the One Piece world, the connection and unification of all the different isolated stories in the world, and the means to continue and add new stories over and over (and probably something more that connects to other themes of the story)
Exactly. Some one told me One Piece was based off of Some pirates stories. So he had change somethings up. I am not surprised at all it was plagiarized material to and extent.
So oda toke not even 15 % inspiration from that story and you made 20 minutes video.... Crazy
Merphy Napier has a whole series of how Oda was inspired by mane famous works of literature for many of his arcs like Impel Down being like Dante's Inferno, Dressrosa with Don Quixote, and Wano is filled with Japanese folklore stories. Using literary references is completely different from stealing but stealing does exist, it's just not about making references. The beats of a story, the character development, the morale, the motifs, the resolutions, are all things that can be used to write a different story but if you are using too many of those things from a different story, then yes it is stealing.
you know the guy in your thumbnail isn't Oda right?
What yes it is do you just know his younger pics?
@@artemis6658 lmao its eiji aounuma, series director of the legend of zelda series. hes like one of the head guys at nintendo
No. No it's not Oda😅@@artemis6658
This! I was about to say it! thank you
@TamCake Yes I was just messing it's a classic joke when people do this with his pic lol.
Stealing and being inspired by is two different things. Like music. People sample sounds all the time. Don’t mean they stole a idea. Especially wen oda credits his manga to these folklore
Dragon ball z run on cartoon network was what really started blowing up the popularity of anime. Cartoon network was actually on the verge of failing when they aquired the rights for Z all the way through the end of the Cell saga. The purchase of those airing rights were so crucial and impactful for the network, the deal made the cover of the wall street journal during that time period. This is what set cartoon network on a mission to keep finding more anime to show that set the stage for the big three here in America.
No. DBZ was only dubbed up until the Ginyu show up. It didn't take off right away either in the US. Funimation almost cancelled it like they cancelled their first dub of Dragonball. It was thanks to CN and repeats that saved it and allowed for the rest of the series to be dubbed.
@@LUCKO2022 your comment doesnt make any sense. I am guessing you didnt actually watch it and you have no idea how huge dragon ball z was when it aired on cartoon network. Yesthat was all that was dubbed when the dub started but it was so immediately popular as it ran on cartoon network they started working on the dub through the end of Frieza saga, and they had the rights through the end of cell saga. The deal CN made was so good and literally saved the channel that was about to go bankrupt. I know this because the year after DBZ started airing on CN it was featured on the cover of the wallstreet journal and was an article in the publucation for corporate deal of the year because CN had paid almost nothing for the airing rights since the shows popularity was wanning at the time in Japan. The show was such a hit and success for cartoon network that they immediately began looking for more possible hits. It absolutely set the stage for the popularity of the big 3 because of its success story in being aired on cartoon network. So i dont know what you thought you were saying NO to but you have no idea what you are talking about and guessing you are so young that you werent there.
Now i gotta read the old story to see how one piece ends 😂
Just saw the title and no more...them fighting words
But also, many stories are taken or inspired by others. So techniquly true
theres a difference between being inspired by mythical stories from hundreds of years ago versus looking at a popular anime that you like and doing the same thing with little or no difference.
Since when
@@gaminginvirinch3339 Because literaly everyone knows this about majority of shonen anime. Its not new knowledge that mangaka use traditional stories to create their own.
I remember a saying that every idea is never original. The brain would cut, stitch, or flip preexisting ideas into a new one. It’s very interesting when you think of media in this lens
the clickbait was strong with this one
So who else noticed that he’s using Eiji Aonuma’s picture instead of Eiichiro Oda’s? Very common mistake because several articles use this picture, but man, it’s in the thumbnail. 😂
Btw Eiji is a video game developer at Nintendo sooo.
It seems more like a reference for people who are into that, like foreshadowing
A lot of people don't understand plagiarism the idea is fair game its the expression of the idea that is protected. For example you can write as many books about a family of bears as you want. The moment you call it The Berenstain Bears you are engaging in plagiarism. Or if you blatently copy something without providing proper sourcing. When talking about the sharigan and kurapikas clan there is enough changes to Sasukes abilities and story that it is definitely a different expression of a similar idea.
Quality > Quantity
Katt Williams said it first 😂
That isn't Oda in the thumbnail. That is Eiji Aonuma, the director of The Legend of Zelda
90% comments are just saying this isn’t Oda lol
Good Old Google be showing this man in thumbnail when you search "Oda"
good old google be showing many more pics of this man when you search "eiji aounuma"
@@ShieldRetro 😮😮😮
That is Eiji Aonuma on the Thumbnail. Current Producer of the Zelda Games from Nintendo.
More than stealing is taking inspiration stealing is like if I took your video and said it was mine, inspiration is like oh this idea is cool I could make a video about something similar or to add my stile
To add to the conversation, here's a story one could say Oda REALLY got inspired from:
There's this old cartoon called "The Mysterious Cities of Gold" or "Taiyo no Esteban" in Japanese. You can search it on wikipedia. If you read the plot section, it's almost one to one the plot of One Piece. BEWARE, if you read this you can legit get SPOILED on One Piece if you're not up to date.
My fav ghibli movie too, castle in the sky
I read it
Not really spoilers since anime revealed nothing
It really isn't, there are similarities but is far from a one to one. Not a bad try though
Where do you read your manga & watch your anime
The dull sword was such a cool fact to add, love your videos keep it up they get me through the day😂✌️
The dude in the thumbnail isn't Oda...
Made u click and watch which is the point of the thumbnail
The fact that I actually knew this story that oda took inspiration from once the turtle came in, I started to think that it was a story I had read, but I couldn't remember which one but when they mentioned the box I instantly remember that once he opens it he's. Gonna die and all that stuff. But I thought it was 400 years. Not 300 so I wasn't a little wrong but I already knew this story. I don't remember where I read it.
Queen Otohime was Neptunes late wife in the Fishman Island ark and mother of the 3 princes and princess Shirahoshi. So Oda didn't even change the name.
“Grug steal Thag’s idea of hunter with spear and club from cave painting ‘great mammoth hunt’ for ‘grand cave defense against wolf’.”
On your next Otaku Anonymous pod I would love if you went into the analytics of this video for members only haha. I feel like you normally get more likes and views after 12 hours. What placing was this video for you in performance?
The saying goes: good artists are inspired while great artists steal
I just figured Fishman Island was just based on Atlantis or the Underwater City
I used to think this, when I was 12. Then I watched Basalisk and noticed the call outs to actual history and Japanese lore. Even Arslan Senki is based on actual historical figures. The historical lore in anime is what made my history nerd self love it even more.
It’s just crazy I just saw a post of someone mentioning about reference for oda to draw one piece and had so many similarities and he made a video on about it 😂😂
When you were describing the Astro boy part and mentioned a boy and a giant peach… I might have yelled out OMG James and the giant peach… I mayyyy have 😹
Thank you for telling the folktale. I feel like if you love anime you inherently love mythology subconsciously
Keep up the awesome work and videos Nick love the video
The time traveling turtle being saved on the beach sounds more like oden saving toki
Bro trying to pay some bills with that title
Love you my guy but that’s is not Oda in the thumbnail
Yes it is what's wrong with this group of commentators
@@artemis6658 No it is not Oda it’s Japanese game designer Eiji Aonuma
Nick i hope this video is good Oda has weaved together one of the greatest epics that we as readers will get to experience theres alot of contrast between certain things but its still orignal theres a great theory about him basing the world from the book the lost city of Mu i also don't think thats Oda in the thumbnail?
Netflix is about to drop an anime adaptation of Oda's Moster one shot from around 94. The MC is Zoro's ancestor.
Why does everyone use Eiji Aonumas photo for Oda ?! 😄 There are photos of Oda out there.
Idk I just don't think there is a such thing as a fully original idea. Everybody uses influences even if they don't mean to.
The last sacred treasure is the jewel. We all know what it looks like Itachi from Naruto, and all the stage of six paths have that symbol, but it grants someone immortality in the sense of pure soul control, and with all through these relics combined, no one can stop the wheelchair as your soul is infinitely protected. The sword can kill anything and everything the shield can adapt or block anything that comes this way, but no normal human can possess all through weapons. You have to be something of divine creation in order to obtain these powers completely without your body destroying itself, of course.
The fact that that is not even oda s face is so funny 😂
There is a reason why tropes and genres exist. Expect for the first story ever told, everything is a remix or rework
There’s also some interesting stuff tied in with Christianity. For example if you remember how they made the fishmen stamp on the photo of otohime and those who refused were shot, that was based on a practice called Fumi-e (踏み絵) where they made people suspected of harboring Christian beliefs step on a picture of Jesus or the virgin Mary and those who refused would be tortured or killed. There’s also the Noah, which is obviously based around Noah’s ark. I think this is going to have something to do with the destruction of fishman island and the fishmen being brought to Safety later, especially considering what we’ve learned with kuma (don’t want to spoil stuff for non manga readers)
The words that could get you robbed and beaten in the anime community lol
Which just shows that op has the most cringe and toxic fandom😂
nice joke@@jaybronx98
@@Raton324 wasn’t one at all
@@Raton324 There's a reason why OP fandom is considered a DB fandom ver 2.0.
True originality is about as rare as true perfection. Everything great is inspired from other great works that precede them. This is not just true for literature, but about every field of study you can think of. Our current expertise and understanding in every avenue imaginable is built on the shoulders of giants.
And thus no one is original. We all think the same ideas in our own unique ways.
Who is this guy on the thumbnail? Why his phot appears when searching Oda?
Anybody remember Rise of the Nura Clan and how it showed us the view from the apperations
why everyone put the wrong photo for Oda
Honestly knowing this makes me appreciate the Fishman island arc more
Wasn’t it inspired by some golden city anime
I think people would not care if a story is copied or not. We should just enjoy a story for being a well written one.
The black mirror the jewel and the sword are all three of the sacred treasures of Japan but for JJK the black mirror is a part of megami 10 shadows technique the eight handed wheel general that adapts to anything or you could say reflects anything
That was a cool deep dive in historical folk lore in anime arcs please do more it’s fun
Although this will most likely get buried amongst thousands of comments. Thank you NcHammer for always giving me something to listen to, thank you for always providing me a conversation when I am on my loneliest.
Appreciate you man!
You should look into the Famicon game Higemaru Makaijima. One Piece’s plot line is a wildly fleshed out version of the games story.
Like the games story is wildly underdeveloped compared to one piece, but it feels like a game he played as a kid and went, “yeah there’s a story there”
literally every disney movie is just the basic format of the heros journey but with different creatures as main characters
Why didn't Urashima ask the time traveling turtle to take him back in time to when he left?
And why didn't Otohime tell him how long he'd been gone, and what would happen if he opened the box? he probably would have been like "Oh I guess every one I knew is dead by now, I guess I'll just stay here with you. Also thank you for telling me why I should never open this box, now I won't accidentally kill myself by opening it like an idiot."
you might want to go change the thumbnail as the person on the thumbnail is Eiji Aonuma, the director of the zelda series, not Eiichiro Oda
Bro it took you 5 and a half minutes to get to the point of the video I had to click off omg
As you made a video on, naruto is the one ripping whole character/concepts, and such from all across mythology, while Oda made his own story, about discrimination, fish people, drug use, and the consequences of borrowed power. Outside the queen being loosely based on one person, who gets assassinated, the palace, and the aging box(which has a massive bomb in it). Saying anyone stole anything is a can of worms, no one owns these ancient tales.
Second is the sword of a execution we just seen it, and it had me thinking what sword is that that is so powerful that Soukouna is amazed by so I did some research is the sword that was lost in the tail of the dragon Yamato no rochi the eight headed snake, had the sword of gathering clouds and its tail, and it was given to the sun goddess afterwards, but lost in the history of course but with that sword, he can reach new heights far beyond the mortal world
my favorite thing about One Piece is that it combines all kinds of myths, religions and philosophies
Nick's approaching GLR levels of clickbait with this title. At least the video is pretty informative.
Why is Hideo Kojima in the thumbnail when we're talking about Oda?
Anyone who does their research would know that Oda takes inspiration not just other anime & stories like Vicky the Viking and Esteban Child of The Sun, but also history & mythology from multiple parts of the world. Luffy is based on Hanuman from Hindu mythology, Trafalgar D. Waterlaw’s name is a reference to the battles of Trafalgar & Waterloo from the Napoleonic Wars, Shandora is based on the Aztecs and their conquering by the Spanish Conquistadors, so on & so on. Regardless of whether One Piece is wholly original or not, to quote Quentin Tarantino quoting someone else, “good artists borrow, great artists steal” 🤷🏾♂️
I laughed so hard when he said oda's name and that photo appeared
That's not oda in the thumbnail
The picture you showed of 'Oda' in the thumbnail and video is not Eiichiro Oda.
you better to change the thumbnail 😂
The Moral Lesson of the immortal fisherman:
Don't save random turtles,,
Its NOT worth it
and if you do,,NEVER come with it to whatever places
You must not care about your life with that thumbnail.
I’m I the only one that thought his dog was about to poop on the floor at the very beginning
That picture is a meme now 😅 that’s not oda
People don't understand fishman island and they called it mid arc but it's an arc filled with theme which people tend to ignore while watching it....❤❤❤
A true pirate
Wait I keep seeing pictures that's not Oda. The thumbnail image also isn't Oda, isn't that kishimoto? I might be wrong
I love how everyone forgot about kagura bachi even though they hyped it
OPM QUERY *VERY IMPORTANT* - Isn't the hero ranking system messed up bcuz every Class A Rank 1 hero has the choice to move to Class S..rn amai mask is A rank 1 and he doesn't want to go to Class for whatever reasons...but anyother hero would go to Class S, so doesn't this create a dirty loop where class A rank 1 goes to class S and then, the previously A rank 2 wud become rank 1 so he'll also go to class S, and so on and on until EVERY single hero in the association is in CLASS S!
the fishman isn`t ageing bc of the drugs, only slowly dies bc a drug isn`t good for organism
I’m not even going to watch the video but that’s not Oda in the thumbnail lol
7:55 small pedantic correction, you accidentally misspoke and said, "where do you think Masashi Kishimoto got the idea for Kurapika?" This makes it sound like Kurapika was his creation, when you meant to ask where he got the idea for Sasuke.
I know this is the wrong video to talk about this, but ummm sauknna plan is to gather the three sacred treasures of Japan, and become a truly divine being something like the first emperor of Japan Jimu, but on a whole Nother level of course
10 commandments ranked when?
that moment when you thought Nick made a video about Odablock
I think its really telling that more series have come out (and been canceled) since 2010 than ever before.
Quantity over quality.