@@chrisbrooks4032 …. Isaiah 40:22 “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:” …….🏴😊🇺🇸
@@chrisbrooks4032 …Aye 100%….”Clearly it is spherical (‘circle’ comes from the Hebrew word chug, which more correctly means ‘sphere’). And then He describes the creation of the starry heavens. They are stretched out (Hebrew word, natah) as a curtain. Curtains are made of a fabric that is constant in size but erected across the windows-they do not expand, nor stretch out like a rubber sheet. The verse goes onto say that the heavens are spread out (Hebrew, mathach) as a tent. Once a tent is erected it remains the same size. Its material does not stretch nor expand, not very much anyway. The Hebrew here has the meaning ‘to spread out or over’ as is the case with beaten metal. This may mean that space has some substance to it, but again once it has been erected it is fixed. It is not a stretchy material like a rubber balloon.”…..🏴😊
@@donmac5918 shut up. That’s complete nonsense. The bible is as scientifically illiterate as it’s possible to be. The idiots who wrote it had no idea what the universe was. “Spreads out the heavens”!!! That’s laughable. Oh yeah, it predicts the stars are gonna fall to the earth in Daniel and Revelation. That can’t happen. It’s complete nonsense.
So…If God “stretched out the heavens” like the Bible says he did and we are the center of the universe(which I have always believed we are), then you would have no issue seeing stars that are hundred of billions of light years away in a young earth argument because the light from those stars would have started right here in the center of the universe. Hope this makes sense.
It's often brought up about "extraterrestrials" that it's arrogant of us to believe that we are the only life in the universe. What a great topic to discuss with a skeptic!" Eve was the mother of all living" so therefore, all the phenomena we see is just the enemy messing with us. And, it's not innocuous. I believe the" strong delusion that will deceive even the elect" began with evolution and ends with the enemy convincing people that he comes from far away and is here to rescue us 🤔 Think about it, ever since ha satan was created, he has been jealous of the worship that belongs to YHVH alone, and will stop at nothing to get it
Everywhere is the center of time and space because the both go on forever in all direction If you say yes or no to this question the outcome is the same Would there be time 5 minutes before time began
Donn Chapman, I need for you to answer this question for me, please. In your presentation of a young Earth, you seem to equate the words of Gen.1:1, that declare;....."In the BEGINNING God created", as referring to the actual "Original Creation" of the Heavens, ( Heb. "Shmim", plural ) and the Earth. ( some 6222 plus years ago ) Since this "Beginning", according to your beliefs and public presentation, refers to the six days of "Creative Acts" about 6222 years ago, my question to you is this; WHEN WAS LUCIFER CREATED ??? ( as Lucifer was already a fallen Angel, when ADAM was "Created" ) Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Morgan Sorensen You look like a total moron. You really think don Chapman goes over these comments after almost 15 years from filming this and replies to random people with questions that get hatched while you’re sitting on a bathtub smeared with peanut butter and yelling at your cats to sing the national anthem?? Get outta here you fricking goon. Complain about something you know about, like what’s better: crunchy or creamy peanut butter.
The Theory of Evolution does not make any statements about the origins of the universe. This video commenced with what can be understood to be either a lie or an incorrect statement. Not a great way to start if you want to be considered reliable.
I do not believe they said the theory of evolution had anything to do with the universe or the forming of planets. I think I remember them saying that the theory of evolution has evolved into even suggesting that the universe has evolved. I paraphrase that rather poorly I will admit. I think they were trying to suggest evolution or the theory of evolution has evolved and more fields are adapting to darwinian thought. Scientists use strong tactics when they're talking about the theory of intelligent design, just as you did here. Suggesting they lied is a rather strong statement, unless you have strong proof may want to be a little more benevolent.
@@vitaquasus1120 Then it's time for you to re listen to this drivel. Opening lines: "According to the Theory of Evolution the origin and development of the universe and all its systems can be explained soley on the basis of time, chance and continuing processes." In other words- THIS WAS EITHER A LIE OR INCORRECT. IT IS NOT FACTUAL. The Theory of Evolution says zero, zilch, nada, nothing about the origin and development of the universe.
@@vitaquasus1120 " I think I remember them saying that the theory of evolution has evolved into even suggesting that the universe has evolved. " If they had said this, then that also would have been untrue. The Theory of Evolution is specifically the Theory of Evolution by Means of Natural Selection. It is a purely biological theory that doesn't even include how life began, let alone how the universe began. it covers only how life diversified. The Kent Hovind obfuscation in regards to the use of the word "evolution" is a deceit.
*_The Theory of Evolution does not make any statements about the origins of the universe. This video commenced with what can be understood to be either a lie or an incorrect statement.The Theory of Evolution does not make any statements about the origins of the universe. This video commenced with what can be understood to be either a lie or an incorrect statement._* Maybe this will help put your mind at ease: Stellar *_Evolution_* is the process by which a star changes over the course of time. Further *_Evolution_* of Stars | Astronomy Stellar *_Evolution_* | COSMOS *_Evolution_* of Stars - Cliffs Notes Formation and *_Evolution_* of Stars | AMNH Sun-like stars: Summarizing stellar *_Evolution_* through modern research Star Facts: The Basics of Star Names and Stellar *_Evolution_* ... Galaxy formation and *_Evolution_* - Wikipedia The Formation and *_Evolution_* of Galaxies and Structure in the ... galaxy - *_Evolution_* of galaxies and quasars | Britannica The *_Evolution_* of Galaxies - SALT Galaxy *_Evolution_* - National Radio Astronomy Observatory I guess you get the idea, right?
He started of quite reasonably but when he starts using the bible to support his dubious ideas and then goes on to sneer at a man of Carl Sagan's reputation he loses any credibility.
"...when he starts using the bible to support his dubious ideas..." Except that he didn't. The point of the show is to highlight how science supports the Bible. So having outlined the science, he explained how it supports the Bible. What is dubious about his idea? You don't say. And that was not a sneer at Sagan. So the one with the credibility problem is you.
@@eckyhen I understand and thought that before. Honestly though, it is historically false. We would have a hard time finding anyone before 1850 who did anything meaningful, including all the founders and pioneers of science, who did not read and believe the Bible. Just one example is that Newton wrote about 10x as much on theology as other topics. (He invented *calculus* and, well, Newtonian physics). There are countless more examples. I mean, everything. Euler, keplar, the taxonomy of species from a devout Christian. Calculus and the laws of planetary motion. Science only exists because the Christian worldview allowed it. It was a new way of thinking founded in “thinking God’s thoughts after Him” as they all said at the time. Just heard about the Christian who laid the foundations of geology and rock strata classification still used today. Also, there is a long list of accomplished devout physicists including half a dozen nobel prize winners, and two Catholic priests in the mid-1900’s. Oh, and the scientific method itself by Francis Bacon (the idea it was Galileo is new, and the idea he wasn’t truly Christian is completely false). And boyle and kelvin and boltzman and pascal and faraday and, well, all of them. I really think we’re often misled, almost intentionally, about this topic. I personally count Euler, yet another Biblical literalist, as the greatest mathematician ever. Anyway, hope you have a good day thanks.
@@ibperson7765 Aristotle, Archimedes, Aristacus, Hippocrates, Galen, Aryabhatta and the Babylonian astronomers. Hundreds more if you care to do a bit of research. None Christian. In fact Christianity did it's utmost to stifle science and persecute scientists whenever they challenged biblical scripture.
Someone on a planet a billion light years away from us would see an expanding universe the same way we do and could conclude that they were at the center of the universe so Humphries whole theory is nonsense.
"According to the theory of evolution the origin of the universe"!!! FFS. Let's start with an outrageous straw man. "The Theory of Evolution" refers specifically to biological evolution and has nothing to do with cosmology.
Stellar *_Evolution_* is the process by which a star changes over the course of time. Further *_Evolution_* of Stars | Astronomy Stellar *_Evolution_* | COSMOS *_Evolution_* of Stars - Cliffs Notes Formation and *_Evolution_* of Stars | AMNH Sun-like stars: Summarizing stellar *_Evolution_* through modern research Star Facts: The Basics of Star Names and Stellar *_Evolution_* ... Galaxy formation and *_Evolution_* - Wikipedia The Formation and *_Evolution_* of Galaxies and Structure in the ... galaxy - *_Evolution_* of galaxies and quasars | Britannica The *_Evolution_* of Galaxies - SALT Galaxy *_Evolution_* - National Radio Astronomy Observatory I guess you get the idea, right?
@@kevinrtres "The Theory of Evolution" refers specifically to the biological evolution of living things and is usually defined as "a change in the frequency of alleles in a population of organisms". If you had a scientific qualification you would have known this.
@@eckyhen You are somewhat in the dark, Eric. Move up to present times whereby everything is evolving as can clearly be seen by the many titles on cosmology that I've pulled off the web in just a few seconds. Evolution is the god of the atheist and naturalistic humanist. It's inescapable.
Thank you both..It's nice to learn the wonderful creation of our God Almighty Lord Jesus. Amen
Very Fascinating and very supportive of the Earth being the center of God's attention.
Even if it’s complete bullshit
@@chrisbrooks4032 …. Isaiah 40:22
“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:” …….🏴😊🇺🇸
@@donmac5918 yay you quoted the tard book
@@chrisbrooks4032 …Aye 100%….”Clearly it is spherical (‘circle’ comes from the Hebrew word chug, which more correctly means ‘sphere’). And then He describes the creation of the starry heavens. They are stretched out (Hebrew word, natah) as a curtain. Curtains are made of a fabric that is constant in size but erected across the windows-they do not expand, nor stretch out like a rubber sheet. The verse goes onto say that the heavens are spread out (Hebrew, mathach) as a tent. Once a tent is erected it remains the same size. Its material does not stretch nor expand, not very much anyway. The Hebrew here has the meaning ‘to spread out or over’ as is the case with beaten metal. This may mean that space has some substance to it, but again once it has been erected it is fixed. It is not a stretchy material like a rubber balloon.”…..🏴😊
@@donmac5918 shut up. That’s complete nonsense. The bible is as scientifically illiterate as it’s possible to be. The idiots who wrote it had no idea what the universe was. “Spreads out the heavens”!!! That’s laughable. Oh yeah, it predicts the stars are gonna fall to the earth in Daniel and Revelation. That can’t happen. It’s complete nonsense.
"I am, who I am": Existence in a nutshell, even in a pre-big bang nutshell.
The universe is infinite and timeless. Thus it has no boundary and no center.
That's not true. The cmb has confirmed that the earth is the center of universe
I love the aesthetic of this show.
Also this guy is great and makes some wonderful arguments
Praise Yah
😂😂😂😂😂
So…If God “stretched out the heavens” like the Bible says he did and we are the center of the universe(which I have always believed we are), then you would have no issue seeing stars that are hundred of billions of light years away in a young earth argument because the light from those stars would have started right here in the center of the universe. Hope this makes sense.
We are watching stars disappear, explode, collide or fade. According to that argument, they never existed.
@@ozowen5961 How could you say that? They have had 6000+ years to perform all of that.
@@mikedickinson9730
Indeed, so nothing like enough time. When you have distances like billions of Light Years, 6,000 years is close to nothing.
It's often brought up about "extraterrestrials" that it's arrogant of us to believe that we are the only life in the universe. What a great topic to discuss with a skeptic!" Eve was the mother of all living" so therefore, all the phenomena we see is just the enemy messing with us. And, it's not innocuous. I believe the" strong delusion that will deceive even the elect" began with evolution and ends with the enemy convincing people that he comes from far away and is here to rescue us 🤔 Think about it, ever since ha satan was created, he has been jealous of the worship that belongs to YHVH alone, and will stop at nothing to get it
Makes absolutely no sense. No god necessary makes sense
The balloon analogy only seems to work with 4D space, which is an abstract mathematical idea rather than a scientifically empirical one.
Wow
Everywhere is the center of time and space because the both go on forever in all direction
If you say yes or no to this question the outcome is the same
Would there be time 5 minutes before time began
I encourage you to watch the film titled "the principle"
Galaxies are Gods fingerprint.
Actually, I thought Dr. Humphreys' Carl Sagan impression was pretty good.
I would like to know if this evidence still holds true today?
Yes, the axis of evil discovered in the cmb and the all experiments
Donn Chapman, I need for you to answer this question for me, please.
In your presentation of a young Earth, you seem to equate the words of Gen.1:1, that declare;....."In the BEGINNING God created", as referring to the actual "Original Creation" of the Heavens, ( Heb. "Shmim", plural ) and the Earth. ( some 6222 plus years ago )
Since this "Beginning", according to your beliefs and public presentation, refers to the six days of "Creative Acts" about 6222 years ago, my question to you is this; WHEN WAS LUCIFER CREATED ??? ( as Lucifer was already a fallen Angel, when ADAM was "Created" )
Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Umm..dude what??
Lucifer and the Angeles was made on day 2 or 3 and fell years after Adam & Eve was made.
@@Colors.TF1 , And you are made of blue cheese , you blabbering Moron !!!
@@sorens70601 dudes..chill...who cares about that..ull find out when and if u get saved..better go and win souls dont fight over petty things...
Morgan Sorensen You look like a total moron. You really think don Chapman goes over these comments after almost 15 years from filming this and replies to random people with questions that get hatched while you’re sitting on a bathtub smeared with peanut butter and yelling at your cats to sing the national anthem??
Get outta here you fricking goon.
Complain about something you know about, like what’s better: crunchy or creamy peanut butter.
Why do you say the creation is the second and opposing view
Because creation has overwhelming evidence
I like the fake commercial. Sorry guys we need to take a break. Don't go away. 👍
But if you could prove there WAS a center of the universe but that we were FAR from it, THAT the secular scientists would consider accepting!
I encourage you to watch the film titled "the principle"
Like an Onion…..
The Theory of Evolution does not make any statements about the origins of the universe. This video commenced with what can be understood to be either a lie or an incorrect statement.
Not a great way to start if you want to be considered reliable.
I do not believe they said the theory of evolution had anything to do with the universe or the forming of planets. I think I remember them saying that the theory of evolution has evolved into even suggesting that the universe has evolved. I paraphrase that rather poorly I will admit. I think they were trying to suggest evolution or the theory of evolution has evolved and more fields are adapting to darwinian thought.
Scientists use strong tactics when they're talking about the theory of intelligent design, just as you did here. Suggesting they lied is a rather strong statement, unless you have strong proof may want to be a little more benevolent.
@@vitaquasus1120
Then it's time for you to re listen to this drivel.
Opening lines: "According to the Theory of Evolution the origin and development of the universe and all its systems can be explained soley on the basis of time, chance and continuing processes."
In other words- THIS WAS EITHER A LIE OR INCORRECT.
IT IS NOT FACTUAL.
The Theory of Evolution says zero, zilch, nada, nothing about the origin and development of the universe.
@@vitaquasus1120
" I think I remember them saying that the theory of evolution has evolved into even suggesting that the universe has evolved. "
If they had said this, then that also would have been untrue.
The Theory of Evolution is specifically the Theory of Evolution by Means of Natural Selection. It is a purely biological theory that doesn't even include how life began, let alone how the universe began.
it covers only how life diversified.
The Kent Hovind obfuscation in regards to the use of the word "evolution" is a deceit.
*_The Theory of Evolution does not make any statements about the origins of the universe. This video commenced with what can be understood to be either a lie or an incorrect statement.The Theory of Evolution does not make any statements about the origins of the universe. This video commenced with what can be understood to be either a lie or an incorrect statement._*
Maybe this will help put your mind at ease:
Stellar *_Evolution_* is the process by which a star changes over the course of time.
Further *_Evolution_* of Stars | Astronomy
Stellar *_Evolution_* | COSMOS
*_Evolution_* of Stars - Cliffs Notes
Formation and *_Evolution_* of Stars | AMNH
Sun-like stars: Summarizing stellar *_Evolution_* through modern research
Star Facts: The Basics of Star Names and Stellar *_Evolution_* ...
Galaxy formation and *_Evolution_* - Wikipedia
The Formation and *_Evolution_* of Galaxies and Structure in the ...
galaxy - *_Evolution_* of galaxies and quasars | Britannica
The *_Evolution_* of Galaxies - SALT
Galaxy *_Evolution_* - National Radio Astronomy Observatory
I guess you get the idea, right?
@@ozowen5961 Typical straw man argument as much beloved by creationists.
This is absolute nonsense - there are so many pieces of misinformation here it's hard to know where to start.
He started of quite reasonably but when he starts using the bible to support his dubious ideas and then goes on to sneer at a man of Carl Sagan's reputation he loses any credibility.
"...when he starts using the bible to support his dubious ideas..."
Except that he didn't. The point of the show is to highlight how science supports the Bible. So having outlined the science, he explained how it supports the Bible.
What is dubious about his idea? You don't say.
And that was not a sneer at Sagan.
So the one with the credibility problem is you.
Yeah using the Bible, like Newton and Keplar and the founders of the scientific method and almost every field of science... well clearly it helps.
@@ibperson7765 They only made scientific progress when they ignored the nonsense about the bible.
@@eckyhen I understand and thought that before. Honestly though, it is historically false. We would have a hard time finding anyone before 1850 who did anything meaningful, including all the founders and pioneers of science, who did not read and believe the Bible. Just one example is that Newton wrote about 10x as much on theology as other topics. (He invented *calculus* and, well, Newtonian physics). There are countless more examples. I mean, everything. Euler, keplar, the taxonomy of species from a devout Christian. Calculus and the laws of planetary motion. Science only exists because the Christian worldview allowed it. It was a new way of thinking founded in “thinking God’s thoughts after Him” as they all said at the time.
Just heard about the Christian who laid the foundations of geology and rock strata classification still used today. Also, there is a long list of accomplished devout physicists including half a dozen nobel prize winners, and two Catholic priests in the mid-1900’s. Oh, and the scientific method itself by Francis Bacon (the idea it was Galileo is new, and the idea he wasn’t truly Christian is completely false). And boyle and kelvin and boltzman and pascal and faraday and, well, all of them. I really think we’re often misled, almost intentionally, about this topic. I personally count Euler, yet another Biblical literalist, as the greatest mathematician ever. Anyway, hope you have a good day thanks.
@@ibperson7765 Aristotle, Archimedes, Aristacus, Hippocrates, Galen, Aryabhatta and the Babylonian astronomers. Hundreds more if you care to do a bit of research. None Christian.
In fact Christianity did it's utmost to stifle science and persecute scientists whenever they challenged biblical scripture.
Someone on a planet a billion light years away from us would see an expanding universe the same way we do and could conclude that they were at the center of the universe so Humphries whole theory is nonsense.
That's not true, the cmb has empirically shown that the universe does have a center. Have you not heard about the axis of evil?
"According to the theory of evolution the origin of the universe"!!!
FFS. Let's start with an outrageous straw man.
"The Theory of Evolution" refers specifically to biological evolution and has nothing to do with cosmology.
Stellar *_Evolution_* is the process by which a star changes over the course of time.
Further *_Evolution_* of Stars | Astronomy
Stellar *_Evolution_* | COSMOS
*_Evolution_* of Stars - Cliffs Notes
Formation and *_Evolution_* of Stars | AMNH
Sun-like stars: Summarizing stellar *_Evolution_* through modern research
Star Facts: The Basics of Star Names and Stellar *_Evolution_* ...
Galaxy formation and *_Evolution_* - Wikipedia
The Formation and *_Evolution_* of Galaxies and Structure in the ...
galaxy - *_Evolution_* of galaxies and quasars | Britannica
The *_Evolution_* of Galaxies - SALT
Galaxy *_Evolution_* - National Radio Astronomy Observatory
I guess you get the idea, right?
@@kevinrtres "The Theory of Evolution" refers specifically to the biological evolution of living things and is usually defined as "a change in the frequency of alleles in a population of organisms".
If you had a scientific qualification you would have known this.
@@eckyhen You are somewhat in the dark, Eric. Move up to present times whereby everything is evolving as can clearly be seen by the many titles on cosmology that I've pulled off the web in just a few seconds. Evolution is the god of the atheist and naturalistic humanist. It's inescapable.
@@kevinrtres If you don't even understand basic scientific terminology there is little point in continuing this discussion.
@@eckyhen ...and the fact that you do not see the bigger pond in which you are floundering does make it rather pointless to even begin...