10:00 the next couple of minutes are so interesting but there is no mention of this being a "pre-12 step" part of this lady's life until right at the end.... The claim is kina being made that "I did all the attachment stuff (and I did it all well)" but I don't see how that can be possible while suffering from active addiction. Active addiction is an assault on attachment, to others, to oneself, and to a higher power. I would have liked to have heard more about how all those dynamics work together, and that's one of the problems I suppose when we abandon the 12th tradition and start using professional identities in what should be an anonymous setting. I've brought up children, all within the 12 step recovery experience, with some years out of meetings as well, and over more than a decade I've learned that I've polluted the attachment throughout, because being sober and spiritually better and increasingly better doesn't eradicate one's own entrenched trauma responses to others. I've also found that attachment trumps discipline every single time when it comes to re-socialising my children. Yes I use consequences, but in all honesty, the initial poor behaviour is always a result of an attachment wound. I'm using consequences because I lack the personal AND social resources to constantly re-heal the attachment wound. And that's another thing that's really been avoided in this talk - we can't create a proper experience of attachment in such a damaged and alienating society, where the extended family has been wiped out for many people, and the majority of us are living in constant economic fear. And what about the genocide in Gaza too? What about the 100000 dead in Iraq? What about the entrenched racism of American society and European society? These are all massive assaults in our attachment to our own humanity. If they are accepted without questioning, without introspection and external analysis, we will tend to adopt punishment as a firm of control because it's being demonstrated by all of our msm and governments. So this ends up being a rather shallow and inadequate discussion between two forms of control, because ultimately it's rather more concerned with controlling unwelcome behaviour than it is in establishing a loving bond.
10:00 the next couple of minutes are so interesting but there is no mention of this being a "pre-12 step" part of this lady's life until right at the end.... The claim is kina being made that "I did all the attachment stuff (and I did it all well)" but I don't see how that can be possible while suffering from active addiction. Active addiction is an assault on attachment, to others, to oneself, and to a higher power. I would have liked to have heard more about how all those dynamics work together, and that's one of the problems I suppose when we abandon the 12th tradition and start using professional identities in what should be an anonymous setting.
I've brought up children, all within the 12 step recovery experience, with some years out of meetings as well, and over more than a decade I've learned that I've polluted the attachment throughout, because being sober and spiritually better and increasingly better doesn't eradicate one's own entrenched trauma responses to others.
I've also found that attachment trumps discipline every single time when it comes to re-socialising my children. Yes I use consequences, but in all honesty, the initial poor behaviour is always a result of an attachment wound. I'm using consequences because I lack the personal AND social resources to constantly re-heal the attachment wound. And that's another thing that's really been avoided in this talk - we can't create a proper experience of attachment in such a damaged and alienating society, where the extended family has been wiped out for many people, and the majority of us are living in constant economic fear.
And what about the genocide in Gaza too? What about the 100000 dead in Iraq? What about the entrenched racism of American society and European society?
These are all massive assaults in our attachment to our own humanity. If they are accepted without questioning, without introspection and external analysis, we will tend to adopt punishment as a firm of control because it's being demonstrated by all of our msm and governments.
So this ends up being a rather shallow and inadequate discussion between two forms of control, because ultimately it's rather more concerned with controlling unwelcome behaviour than it is in establishing a loving bond.