How Intelligence Agencies Infiltrated Social Media Companies

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  • čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
  • Taken from JRE #1962 w/Michael Shellenberger:
    open.spotify.com/episode/1063...

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  • @jopo7996
    @jopo7996 Před rokem +3395

    That's the problem with blindly siding with one party, wing, or leader. You end up defending ridiculous stuff for your side and attacking anything from the other side.

    • @FRANK45CASTLE
      @FRANK45CASTLE Před rokem +124

      I agree 100%. Why people go all in towards on direction is beyond me. It's like, let's all do what's fucking sane and not push the envelope just for the sake of it.

    • @Johnnygga
      @Johnnygga Před rokem +53

      You mean just like Rogan nowadays? Lol.

    • @madmaxmedia
      @madmaxmedia Před rokem +70

      This is why I refuse to talk about politics with anyone any more. I love talking about different ideas or subjects in general, even current events, with anyone. But only if free of the narrow lens of politics.

    • @whiskey_1_671
      @whiskey_1_671 Před rokem

      What this guy said, the overall bullshit works because it's a mosaic, bits and pieces here and there add to a whole and boom you're conditioned without consent. Eyes up hometeam, and like Ford Fairlane said " use your head!"

    • @j.e.k.6014
      @j.e.k.6014 Před rokem +106

      I wouldn't call rogan a tribal hack. Seems like he'll talk to anyone.

  • @kingferguson1
    @kingferguson1 Před rokem +697

    I want to remind everyone that Mr. Shellenberger is not suicidal.

    • @Ken_from_Mumbai
      @Ken_from_Mumbai Před rokem

      But not forget he voted Biden when any sane person knew he was not fit to be president.

    • @stash.
      @stash. Před rokem +14

      RIP John McCafee + Seth Rich

    • @obizzil
      @obizzil Před rokem +11

      I hope Hillary doesn’t watch this 😅😂or he will be

    • @zackwentworth2653
      @zackwentworth2653 Před rokem

      As well as Elon Musk he’s the one that started the whole Twitter Files Leak by taking over Twitter

    • @Dankshin0bi
      @Dankshin0bi Před rokem

      He should be

  • @cparksaffluent
    @cparksaffluent Před rokem +474

    Imagine being fooled by the media in 2020. It takes so much to wake people up.

    • @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
      @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Před rokem +1

      Mind Begs the Question:
      Hitler used Media
      To falsely Demonize Jews
      To spread Nazi Propaganda
      More Reliable - Corporate Media,Independent Media?

    • @Sir.T
      @Sir.T Před rokem

      Only Americans still believe the bullshit propaganda in the media.

    • @colinbeams5467
      @colinbeams5467 Před rokem +5

      I was fooled then and I’ll probably be fooled again.

    • @fyrbyrd71
      @fyrbyrd71 Před rokem +20

      Imagine being fooled in 1963. Imagine being fooled in 1964. Imagine being fooled in 2001... It's convincing them they have been fooled is the problem. One can lead a horse to water....

    • @CigEconomy
      @CigEconomy Před rokem +24

      ​@@colinbeams5467 If you start by assuming that everything they say is a lie you will never be fooled again.

  • @kylespevak6781
    @kylespevak6781 Před rokem +40

    If you paid attention, it was obvious, and creepy. What's scary is how many people believed it and would attack/unfriend you over not agreeing with them

  • @michaelgarcia2050
    @michaelgarcia2050 Před rokem +1476

    This is the scariest time in our country's history. Our government which is supposed to represent us has actually turned against us.

    • @barne3668
      @barne3668 Před rokem +45

      100%

    • @AntEater152
      @AntEater152 Před rokem +50

      No sht you can see it in the economy.

    • @Rem_NL
      @Rem_NL Před rokem +62

      @@barne3668 no not 100%, 10% (for the big guy)

    • @Durrtyboy
      @Durrtyboy Před rokem

      Our government the new nazis

    • @chhansen9813
      @chhansen9813 Před rokem +81

      That started over a century ago, little one!

  • @j.s.3297
    @j.s.3297 Před rokem +987

    I remember when all this was said years ago by so called conspiracy theorists....glad to finally have them acknowledge it.

    • @bestieswithtesties
      @bestieswithtesties Před rokem

      He gets this story completely wrong unfortunately. He seems to omit the fact that America caught Russia/china/Iran/NK red handed running massive propaganda and disinformation campaigns against Americans during the 2016 presidential election. The entire "Hillary's emails" scandal came straight from Russian hackers working directly with Wikileaks while bots and trolls ran rampant on American social media pushing anti Hillary pro trump propaganda. And so even though no one in America really thought trump had a chance, he won anyway. And it made all the eastern dictators very happy (theyre all best buds go watch part 3 of Sean Hannitys interview he admits it). So the American government said enough is enough and took steps to protect our social media and news organizations from being influenced by outsiders a second time. This guy isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

    • @SisyphusJP
      @SisyphusJP Před rokem +21

      Yeah Alex jones is a real conspiracy theorist
      Oh wait what’s this? Obama was president Alex was talking about tech infiltration.

    • @plghh
      @plghh Před rokem +23

      Yeah .. was absurdly obvious that the laptop was real when Hunter was unable to to deny it

    • @GeronimoPlaz
      @GeronimoPlaz Před rokem +53

      Conspiracy theories = future news

    • @DannySullivanMusic
      @DannySullivanMusic Před rokem +2

      your comment is without a doubt right

  • @DrDeepspace
    @DrDeepspace Před rokem +116

    Turns out conspiracy theorists were not as crazy as they were portrayed. Everyone owes them an apology.

    • @ShadowBox112
      @ShadowBox112 Před rokem

      Right? Remember when it was proven the moon landing was fake, that elites are a reptilian race, that the earth is flat, that 5G is mine control, that Hollywood is eating kids, that JFK Jr was coming back to life. Y’all get 1 thing out of 100 right and think it validates everything else 😂

    • @Kramerica962
      @Kramerica962 Před rokem +5

      Glad you agree, now let me talk to you about COVID and vaccines

    • @henryburton6529
      @henryburton6529 Před rokem

      Turns out they are crazy actually
      m.czcams.com/video/a597e6Wv_xg/video.html

    • @placebojesus5652
      @placebojesus5652 Před rokem

      lol dumb comment

    • @jennaphage
      @jennaphage Před rokem +2

      I used to make fun of conspiracy theorists. Now I’m at the tin foil hat store on the weekly.

  • @Prone2Thrill
    @Prone2Thrill Před rokem +8

    It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled....so true and wise

    • @drekthedestroyer2115
      @drekthedestroyer2115 Před rokem

      It's really ironic that so many people in this comment section are saying this quote

  • @DylanQuent
    @DylanQuent Před rokem +94

    'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ' -Voltaire 1765.

    • @DREW420
      @DREW420 Před rokem +5

      2023 - we still have not learned a thing

    • @henryburton6529
      @henryburton6529 Před rokem

      m.czcams.com/video/a597e6Wv_xg/video.html
      This video suggests its Elon and Matt that tricked you

  • @JohnDoe-hu9ve
    @JohnDoe-hu9ve Před rokem +1157

    This is amazing content and discussion. The only thing I take issue with is that it’s almost conducted as if all this stuff has happened in the past and as-if it’s no longer happening. Like “whew, that happened and now it’s over” when in reality it’s actually getting worse every day. Sobering.

    • @ticoman90
      @ticoman90 Před rokem +34

      Holy fuck I love the way you put that.

    • @peetky8645
      @peetky8645 Před rokem +9

      i wish we could hear the complete interview

    • @anthonyhernandez3546
      @anthonyhernandez3546 Před rokem +7

      @@peetky8645 you can?

    • @jacquesdemolay5171
      @jacquesdemolay5171 Před rokem

      @@peetky8645 Spotify.

    • @Geep1778
      @Geep1778 Před rokem

      No it’s only tik tok and China spying on us… lol I gave up a long time ago when I realized the lengths I had to go to remain anonymous. It’s almost impossible to use anything online or have an email or pay for something w credit. You want any of them they got your info. I realized this when it went from real easy to have multiple emails to google forcing you to link thru them. So oh you have CZcams I see you have 2 different emails so choose 1 or no posting. Either that or try to remember 14 passwords or use crappy dark web browsers. I think now AI is running security on people and basically using an algorithm to identify every person w facial recognition

  • @goblair84
    @goblair84 Před rokem +14

    Reporters know a lot more about what is really going on behind the scenes than they are allowed to say.

  • @theoutsider6191
    @theoutsider6191 Před rokem +75

    Another conversation showing why Joe is the top man in this space. Guests that are capable of change, reflection and improvement. Guests that are honest and direct, and in many cases experts in their fields. And he does the conversations the justice they deserve by allowing them the time to be covered effectively, while being an interested interviewer and conversationalist. Top stuff again.

    • @FearTheIndoorHorseRancher
      @FearTheIndoorHorseRancher Před rokem

      You have double digit IQ.
      Joe leans whichever way the person he’s talking to leans

    • @theoutsider6191
      @theoutsider6191 Před rokem +1

      @@FearTheIndoorHorseRancher More criticism from someone that obviously has not spent much time listening to Joe's interviews. He regularly challenges his guests. Has even gone so far as to get people on the have had a beef with him publicly. And he always does them the justice and respect of allowing them space to put their points over as well.

    • @FearTheIndoorHorseRancher
      @FearTheIndoorHorseRancher Před rokem

      @@theoutsider6191 I watched him when he had redban doing them from his house when he first started because I’m a big fan of the UFC so you don’t know what you’re talking about.
      Joe is a shill. Plain and simple.

    • @chhansen9813
      @chhansen9813 Před 11 měsíci

      I don't see Joe Biden anywhere near the top!

  • @GAME-wr2rd
    @GAME-wr2rd Před rokem +657

    If the government is funding organizations that are censuring information and violating the first amendment, who do we need to prosecute? Who pays for breaking the law? Which government people violated their oaths to defend the constitution by breaking it?

    • @aguy6641
      @aguy6641 Před rokem +98

      Hard to prosecute royalty that's the whole issue. Money needs to leave politics but the people in charge won't allow it.

    • @shAnn0n1
      @shAnn0n1 Před rokem

      And the "RESTRICT ACT" to stop the CCP from getting our data from tiktok, will actually give our govt the right to spy and suppress our content on our personal social media accounts. It makes the Supreme Court ineffective to use to fight our govt over this act too. Ban tiktok, but not through "the RESTRICT ACT".

    • @Mike-fx4nu
      @Mike-fx4nu Před rokem +30

      You're talking like this is new.

    • @Corteum
      @Corteum Před rokem

      @@aguy6641 Theyre no royalty. Just a bunch of muppets that wormed and deceived and lied their way into power through manipulation and misdirection. Karma is coming.

    • @apriljasso9731
      @apriljasso9731 Před rokem +43

      No prosecution. At this point it's more of a who still makes guillotines sorta problem.

  • @Ivegotnochoicesilencemyvoice

    I knew Wikipedia was compromised when they stopped asking for donations everytime you go to the site.

  • @deekaya2928
    @deekaya2928 Před rokem +1

    The National Citizen’s Inquiry Hearings Event in the city of Winnipeg, Canada. This event takes place starting April 13th to April 15th.
    1: Natalie Bjorklund Gordon- Geneticist and Epidemiologist
    2: Stephen Theriault - Medical microbiologist.
    3: Jessica Rose - EXPERT on the VAERS data.
    4: Staff Sgt Rick Abott - Edmonton Police Officer.
    5: Jay Bhattacharya - Professor of Medicine at Stanford
    6: Jeffrey Tucker- Founder of the Brownstone Institute
    7: Deanne McLeod- Medical Researcher
    8: Charley Hooper - Researcher on Early Covid Treatment

  • @LostinTimeYT
    @LostinTimeYT Před rokem +13

    WikiLeaks had a whole section detailing all the different government intel agency backdoors built into basically every computer operating system ever made. This has been going on a loooong time, the entire time, in fact.

    • @ZEZlMA
      @ZEZlMA Před rokem

      @@baljeetmangherait means they have remote access to every computer or phone regardless of if you use apple, windows or even unix . No antivirus will be able to detect something that is already hidden within the operating system and internet physical structures like the very large 56k modem underneath the pentagon

    • @ZEZlMA
      @ZEZlMA Před rokem

      @@baljeetmanghera np. I was joking about the last part but the rest is no laughing matter

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 Před rokem

      It was determined from the start that government would be granted access to all modern communication systems and methods, including things like encryption keys, from the beginning in almost all cases. Usually justified with some hustle about "legitimate" law enforcement or national security "need", to this day. There hasn't been a device they could not tap into in some way since home telephones became a thing. You can thank J E Hoover for a lot of that, especially his ... dislike of certain political figures
      , as well as distrust of big labor unions and the civil rights movements.

  • @BornAHawkEye
    @BornAHawkEye Před rokem +198

    The fact that IRS agents were WAITING AT Matthew Taibbis house the day he left congressional oversight grilling is INSANE

    • @ScubaCoopa
      @ScubaCoopa Před rokem

      Says all you need to know. They will hire 80,000 new IRS agents to steal our money but won’t pay teachers a decent income. Wake up people.

    • @stefaniabrazzi1358
      @stefaniabrazzi1358 Před rokem

      Terrorists will use terrorist tactics.

    • @ashleyadsett2302
      @ashleyadsett2302 Před rokem +41

      Mafia tactics

    • @BornAHawkEye
      @BornAHawkEye Před rokem +13

      CZcams doesn't like me and hides me a lot I'm surprised you found me thanks for finding me I love you guys

    • @Wwiaftm69
      @Wwiaftm69 Před rokem +10

      @@BornAHawkEye keep safe buddy the worst is yet to come for ppl like us

  • @srinathramaswamy6840
    @srinathramaswamy6840 Před rokem +152

    I have not heard this issue described in simpler terms. Thanks to this guy.

    • @henryburton6529
      @henryburton6529 Před rokem

      m.czcams.com/video/a597e6Wv_xg/video.html
      This video suggests Elon and Matt tricked you. Sorry.

    • @garyluciani1082
      @garyluciani1082 Před rokem

      Yea, I thought so too.

    • @anyq_CS
      @anyq_CS Před rokem +1

      he literally said NATO ensuring peace.LMAO

    • @filip2365
      @filip2365 Před rokem

      @@anyq_CS yea,he actually said that,a funny guy

  • @gardeningwithmanhasnoname5451

    this was by far the best joe rogan episode i have ever listened to. just wow. finally some light is shed on all these "crazy conspiracy theories" that one by one turns out to be true.

    • @henryburton6529
      @henryburton6529 Před rokem

      m.czcams.com/video/a597e6Wv_xg/video.html
      This video suggests Elon and Matt tricked you

  • @fellowtraveler852
    @fellowtraveler852 Před rokem +6

    You're almost there Shellenberger, keep going.

  • @MaryJohanna
    @MaryJohanna Před rokem +567

    Very glad that Michael Schellenberger is getting more exposure. He ran Independent for Governor in CA and I hope he will do it again. Lot's of common sense.

    • @sthubbins4038
      @sthubbins4038 Před rokem +1

      So weird that Joe still won’t touch the FoxNews Files. He rails against the “lying MSM”, then it comes out that the biggest MSM outlet of all knowingly lied about the election, and helped start an insurrection. But not a peep from ol’ Joe 😂

    • @pkz420
      @pkz420 Před rokem +29

      Lots of common sense?
      He will never be elected then.

    • @knightfox4121
      @knightfox4121 Před rokem +4

      He is completely clueless when it comes to the homelessness issue. He has a severe lack of empathy.

    • @EndoftheBlock7224
      @EndoftheBlock7224 Před rokem

      The intell agencies are the head of the deep state and have gone rogue, they no longer listen to the people as they do what they believe best. They are aligned with the Globalist and China

    • @ceeIoc
      @ceeIoc Před rokem +8

      Doesn’t matter, people will keep voting for Gavin like robots

  • @willcurrier6224
    @willcurrier6224 Před rokem +497

    Apparently Michael Shellenberger and I are members of a different parties, yet I'm not sure I've ever disagreed with him. This dude presents the most honest, sober analysis of just about anyone in the media. Cheers. Wish there were more like him.

    • @fakeshemp9599
      @fakeshemp9599 Před rokem +17

      I agree with your statement as well. He's great. I have a few journalists that I follow and trust in their reporting bc they have proven themselves by their integrity. Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal,Taibbi, etc..

    • @davepenniman2847
      @davepenniman2847 Před rokem +6

      All three of these reporters have awesome credentials, do their background check and sources on every story
      They’re all Democrats or independents
      How can the Democratic Party attack these people like they were nothing

    • @anthonybrett
      @anthonybrett Před rokem +10

      Same. It's because they report from the centre which is where ANY journalist should report. They aren't possessed by their ideas.

    • @jorgeenchilada
      @jorgeenchilada Před rokem +1

      @@fakeshemp9599 Glenn Greenwald xD

    • @sevensages5279
      @sevensages5279 Před rokem +8

      @davepenniman2847 to be fair, bari weiss was on Rogan and she called Tulsi Gabbard a "toadie" and when Rogan asked her what's that?, she couldn't even define it. She made herself look really bad and she lost credibility!
      Jimmy dore did an entire segment on how stupid she was on the Rogan show. Definitely a must see.

  • @Jackjohnjay
    @Jackjohnjay Před rokem +11

    Yaaaaaayyyy! Another Michael Shellenberger. Just finishing the full podcast and God I love this man. He is SO good for America and humanity ❤

  • @neilshortell410
    @neilshortell410 Před rokem +5

    I’m surprised our government hasn’t tried to shut down the podcasts of them getting exposed like this

  • @gavdaddy2874
    @gavdaddy2874 Před rokem +338

    The control that our government has over social media is getting out of hand. I can’t believe how knowledgable this guy is.

    • @nishbrown
      @nishbrown Před rokem +14

      Almost like they've poisoned it.
      Spoiler: it was already poison.

    • @amg863
      @amg863 Před rokem +1

      The lefties are still saying "they're private companies. They can control speech if they want" not realising what a problem this is.
      Doesn't seem to stop the government from controlling the narrative. What's allowed and what isn't allowed to be discussed

    • @WeThePeepHole333
      @WeThePeepHole333 Před rokem +1

      CONtrol¿ U do know who owns thee internet don't you¿ You do know what nets do don't U¿ NETS CATCH THINGS...... FOR THOSE THAT OWN THEM...... 😅

    • @gavdaddy2874
      @gavdaddy2874 Před rokem

      @@WeThePeepHole333 sorry, I only speak Canadian

    • @philobetto5106
      @philobetto5106 Před rokem

      How Intelligence Agencies were compromised by the Clintons

  • @rhetericalpha
    @rhetericalpha Před rokem +361

    Finally someone who admits they were taken. Even with New York Times finally posting the laptop and contents were real there are many people on that side who can't accept it.

    • @LeeGee
      @LeeGee Před rokem

      If they'd published the contents I saw two years ago, young Biden would be in prison, as would the editors fo the NYT for that matter. Kind of explains why there is so much pro-peado stuff in the US since that date.

    • @boohooidc
      @boohooidc Před rokem +39

      What's worse is the people who do accept it but don't care

    • @tbronk7996
      @tbronk7996 Před rokem

      I also find that interesting. This is why mainstream media continues to parrot lies. When people hear the same shit over and over, they begin to believe. Democrats are weaponizing the media to control their citizens' sounds like communism.

    • @jackeagleeye3453
      @jackeagleeye3453 Před rokem

      @@boohooidc The laptop is a nothing burger to be fair. Like if someone posted nude photos of one of your family members online, against their consent, would you also agree that they should be taken down?

    • @amberdgilman
      @amberdgilman Před rokem +3

      Actually refreshing to hear

  • @Tmonezy9000
    @Tmonezy9000 Před rokem +5

    A well informed public is very dangerous so hiding information and keeping the public dumb is a form of control and that’s exactly what was intended

  • @WhatIsGoinOnPeople
    @WhatIsGoinOnPeople Před rokem +1

    Majority of the public does not understand how big of a deal this is.

  • @whiskyngeets
    @whiskyngeets Před rokem +237

    Thank goodness we have Joe Rogan to get this information out. Who investigates the federal bureau of investigation?

    • @mervunit
      @mervunit Před rokem +42

      China mostly

    • @JIGWIGPIG
      @JIGWIGPIG Před rokem +2

      Militias

    • @CommanderRiker0
      @CommanderRiker0 Před rokem +16

      Supposed to be Congress and the President, but those days are long gone.

    • @chhansen9813
      @chhansen9813 Před rokem +1

      Um, there are hearings going on right now!

    • @Kildayyan
      @Kildayyan Před rokem +11

      Having the Twitter Files reporters on is awesome, but Joe will mess it up by having CIA Mike Baker on next. He’ll talk for hours without saying a damn thing.

  • @BOSS_1417
    @BOSS_1417 Před rokem +103

    This is insane
    Every American should watch this episode!

    • @sthubbins4038
      @sthubbins4038 Před rokem

      They’re too busy watching FoxNews lie about the election.

    • @chippewaguy4193
      @chippewaguy4193 Před rokem +1

      It won’t matter if literally every American watches this. Nothing will happen. Just like when Snowden threw away his life by telling a “secret” most Americans already knew.

    • @patrickdurso6761
      @patrickdurso6761 Před rokem +4

      Everyone in the world should watch this episode!

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Před rokem

      What will you do? You've voted for Biden. How f---ed up is that

    • @GhostSal
      @GhostSal Před rokem

      It isn’t only social media companies, the gøvernment has fake accounts in comment sections pretending to be just regular people. Not every comment section, just on topics they want to control narratives. This was disclosed by media about 10 years ago that they do this (and they still do). So don’t always believe comments, double check the facts yourself.

  • @johnswanson217
    @johnswanson217 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Herd mentaility is a disgusting thing.

  • @mr.mcmagpie6606
    @mr.mcmagpie6606 Před rokem +1

    *6:54* that guys laugh sounded like my '92 Taurus tryng to start 😂

  • @usedtobebrewer6627
    @usedtobebrewer6627 Před rokem +17

    Joe... I live in Clarksville TN. Our community is a bedroom community of Nashville. We were already having a tough week, but last night 9 Service members were killed in a terrible helicopter accident. I know our Service Members are huge fans of yours, as am I, would you please mention them? They're heartbroken. Our entire community is heartbroken. I think your words would mean a lot to them. xoxo

    • @kerirae4777
      @kerirae4777 Před rokem +4

      😢🙏🙏may God give you all comfort.🙏🙏❤

  • @DaveDuncanMusic
    @DaveDuncanMusic Před rokem +22

    People actually thought it was FAKE?! What?! I hate humans so much.

    • @NeonKue
      @NeonKue Před rokem

      Disinformation is a powerful tool to brainwash the herd.

    • @madkitty2801
      @madkitty2801 Před rokem

      Its easier to fool someone than convince him he’s been fooled.
      USA’s deep state is the master if misinformation and i always have a good laugh when i hear them say « russian misinformation »

    • @coleslaw7524
      @coleslaw7524 Před rokem

      Lot of flippy floppy going on at all times from all angles

  • @d.lowery4933
    @d.lowery4933 Před rokem

    Great explanation. Love it.

  • @manjaan9406
    @manjaan9406 Před rokem

    Wow! Just wow! Thank you for clarification.

  • @HvacGuy76
    @HvacGuy76 Před rokem +51

    The scumbags in power need to be removed from power.

    • @06kaprice
      @06kaprice Před rokem

      The lazy public need to get off their asses and remove them!

    • @GhostSal
      @GhostSal Před rokem

      It isn’t only social media companies, the gøvernment has fake accounts in comment sections pretending to be just regular people. Not every comment section, just on topics they want to control narratives. This was disclosed by media about 10 years ago that they do this (and they still do). So don’t always believe comments, double check the facts yourself.

    • @kerirae4777
      @kerirae4777 Před rokem +3

      Exactly 💯

    • @georgeboyd6580
      @georgeboyd6580 Před rokem

      God didn't use the word ''scumbags', but through his prophets, he said he is going to bring revival and do that.

  • @BXBZ88
    @BXBZ88 Před rokem +19

    How long before IRS audit him?

  • @macpduff2119
    @macpduff2119 Před rokem +1

    "Sinister" is the perfect word to use.

  • @society86
    @society86 Před rokem +2

    Im 3 weeks behind but this entire episode was one of the most important shows on this topic

  • @JohnnyElihue
    @JohnnyElihue Před rokem +204

    I'm so tired of government not doing what it should or being out of control. It makes me wish I could just go live off the grid somewhere. Because at this point if everything keeps heading down the current path, I don't see how it doesn't end badly for the US.

    • @Brometheus.
      @Brometheus. Před rokem +5

      Me too

    • @ambsbd8470
      @ambsbd8470 Před rokem +25

      we all know what has to be done but we are all too comfortable and distracted. think about all the pushing for gun control right now...

    • @Mike-fx4nu
      @Mike-fx4nu Před rokem +1

      Same as it ever was, it will be fine again when it is your side.

    • @Montrovantis
      @Montrovantis Před rokem

      @@Mike-fx4nu The height of ignorance is you.

    • @vincenturso5012
      @vincenturso5012 Před rokem +7

      @@Mike-fx4nu there is no sides you realizes this more with every election. Every four years pick the one would benefit your family the most and totally disconnect from all news. Life is so much better.

  • @hagzzz
    @hagzzz Před rokem +6

    "You know, the war on terror, we won".
    Is he taking the piss?! 😂😂😂

  • @MA-gn4vf
    @MA-gn4vf Před rokem

    Great interview of Shellenberger

  • @frankgrima
    @frankgrima Před rokem +1

    I used to think we were living in scary times, but I checked out "America's Untold Stories" and listened to Mark Groubert and Eric Hunley, they broke down, for example JFK assassination.

  • @nugz1875
    @nugz1875 Před rokem +69

    Social media is government...regardless what they may say...

    • @g.spencer3536
      @g.spencer3536 Před rokem +2

      "Those who control the media control the mind."
      Jim Morrison

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Před rokem

      It'll be wrong a f to think that all these "algos" (human managers) don't work for higher media agenda

    • @hotrox2112
      @hotrox2112 Před rokem

      scripture, newspapers, radio,
      television, world wide web...
      see any connection here?
      tools of mass deception.

  • @epicstark990
    @epicstark990 Před rokem +109

    This is exactly what happening to big Hollywood studios.

    • @dolphin069
      @dolphin069 Před rokem +17

      Always has been. Same with social media.

    • @zebbybaby
      @zebbybaby Před rokem

      the woke lib’s are making captain america a gay black women

    • @iYobuko
      @iYobuko Před rokem

      @Atomic Heart 🅥 how do you know it’s a bot

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Před rokem

      Look at my nickname carefully. It's all lobbyism.

    • @xEvilRaptorx
      @xEvilRaptorx Před rokem

      ​@@iYobuko how do we know if they AREN'T?

  • @ZeeMan84
    @ZeeMan84 Před rokem +18

    Joe Rogan is a great interviewer. He asks the right questions.

    • @kadencichoski8864
      @kadencichoski8864 Před rokem +1

      Thats cause he does his podcasts with people he's actually interested in talking to so he asks what we all wanna know as well as what he wants to know

  • @carlosvonderheyde
    @carlosvonderheyde Před rokem

    Thank you

  • @dertythegrower
    @dertythegrower Před rokem +50

    Lol.. so many people learning things about this which I learned over nine years ago... 🤣

  • @RGBeanie
    @RGBeanie Před rokem +17

    Things like this should wake up the left and right....eventually. one day, they will see they're all being played

    • @newusernamehere4772
      @newusernamehere4772 Před rokem +2

      I think they already do for the most part and the last ditch lie is that we're divided as a nation when we're really not. That's my conspiracy theory lol

    • @RGBeanie
      @RGBeanie Před rokem +1

      @@newusernamehere4772 oh the nation is definitely mostly divided. One need only look around to see everyone fighting each other on the same old points

    • @JoeyVol
      @JoeyVol Před rokem

      @@RGBeanie You mean the 40% of Americans who vote are divided, and I bet it's way less than that, because many voting aren't really even into politics until election day. The vast majority in America don't care about politics or government at all.

  • @M0rn1n6St4r
    @M0rn1n6St4r Před rokem +1

    Hey, Jamie! Look up the story behind *I Don't Like Mondays* for Joe and Michael. 29-JAN-1979 was a Monday.

  • @williamthomas5215
    @williamthomas5215 Před rokem +166

    I do love his cognitive dissonance that you can see taking place because of the Twitter files. One thing he said that is incredibly true and also dangerous is “the war on terror is over, we won… so now you have a bunch of people that need something to do”. Nothing is scarier than a bunch of people in government who need to find something to do.

    • @seahorse2
      @seahorse2 Před rokem

      Well said. All these alphabet figures actually have nothing to do. An empire, with a wizard of Oz. Fire them all. We do not need a huge funded group, turning against ordinary people. Become grocery store shelvers, but do not start on citizens. Or a corrupt media owned by foreign nationals, like Rudolph Murdock. Really. 100s of FBI now work for Australian Murdock.

    • @OUTFOXEM
      @OUTFOXEM Před rokem +12

      Like bored cops patrolling a neighborhood, but much much worse.

    • @gschgvt2956
      @gschgvt2956 Před rokem +9

      Any organization which brings in money to fight for a cause has little to no incentive to ever be successful in their fight.

    • @Bell_plejdo568p
      @Bell_plejdo568p Před rokem

      Huh the so called war on terror was a misguided the killed a bunch of innocent and slaughtered a bunch of innocent ppl like what did Yemen,Somalia, Libya, Syria and many more other countries do to America

    • @santiagogibson8977
      @santiagogibson8977 Před rokem

      @@OUTFOXEM in my neighborhood its more like creepy thought-police cops who reaaàaàally need to mind their own business. And im pro law enforcement :/

  • @gene8675
    @gene8675 Před rokem +98

    New Title:
    How intelligence agencies created social media.

    • @markmarkson909
      @markmarkson909 Před rokem +2

      **slow clap**

    • @sumostorms
      @sumostorms Před rokem

      What do you think about this title: “with everything i know i still support the liberals who basically betrayed every single citizen and refuse to be held accountable”? I think brain fog went pandemic

    • @Murr808
      @Murr808 Před rokem

      Yep Facebook started from a CIA project called LifeLog

    • @Metamace
      @Metamace Před rokem +1

      They didn’t create them but they did infiltrate and abuse them.

  • @oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164

    The next time someone says "... the government is behind it ..." people had better not scoff it off.

  • @TheQA247
    @TheQA247 Před rokem

    Keeping this list for myself but sharing it with my son

  • @marcocurrin8122
    @marcocurrin8122 Před rokem +31

    He has a way of explaining it that not only at three-year-old kid understand but in the same sentence somebody in their 30s 40s or 80s could understand and he’s eloquent he has a lovely way of explaining it there’s no other way to say it he’s just eloquent as hell

  • @tenzinpassang4812
    @tenzinpassang4812 Před rokem +120

    I used to think my friend was bit too emotional and crazy about this stuff. But holy smokes - twitter files was basically an internal supporting documents for all his crazy claims. lol

    • @D-V-C-N
      @D-V-C-N Před rokem +58

      What’s crazy to me is that people like you needed the twitter files to see what’s been so blatantly obvious to the rest of us for years

    • @djn48
      @djn48 Před rokem

      @@D-V-C-N What's crazy to me is people like you insult the intelligence of people who are finally understanding what is going on, hence not only making yourself look self-righteous and arrogant, but also putting people like Tenzin off the ideas that they are freshly discovering and *need* to discover. STOP DOING THAT. You are only making things worse for everyone so you can make yourself feel better.
      These government misinformation campaigns are mega-powerful and effective. Be happy that people are learning the truth. Don't pretend you are better than them because you learned it before they did.

    • @remix-yy1hs
      @remix-yy1hs Před rokem +16

      @@D-V-C-N right. Imagine this guy is head of a household.

    • @winzlow125
      @winzlow125 Před rokem +1

      @@remix-yy1hs lmao

    • @dilldowschwagginz2674
      @dilldowschwagginz2674 Před rokem +7

      Right on. Makes you wonder what else the conspiracy crowd is right about

  • @Kingvideo10
    @Kingvideo10 Před rokem +2

    It's always amazing to me that people think the Laptop was fake with tons of info backing it up that it's absolutely legit.

  • @UncleJakey9
    @UncleJakey9 Před rokem

    Scary stuff man.

  • @sassybakka
    @sassybakka Před rokem +14

    I love the way this dude speaks clearly without long aaaahs and eeeehs. I can tell he's a pro journalist. Appreciate his work.

  • @snaphookright4767
    @snaphookright4767 Před rokem +147

    There was a time when these kinds of revelations would be uncovered by the likes of Woodward and Bernstein at the Washington Post. The spirit of those reporters still exist, just not at those news bureaus, but at independent news bureaus. Thank you Shellenberger, Weiss and Taibbi. But most importantly, Rogan.

    • @dilldowschwagginz2674
      @dilldowschwagginz2674 Před rokem +7

      Looks like even Watergate was some kind of op. The official narrative surrounding that story is filled with misinformation

    • @jamesgarner4127
      @jamesgarner4127 Před rokem

      @@dilldowschwagginz2674 exactly, Woodward and Bernstein were alphabet agency shills. Given time they always expose themselves.

    • @jthen8454
      @jthen8454 Před rokem

      They drink the cool-aide now

    • @Truth_Hurts528
      @Truth_Hurts528 Před rokem

      Woodward leads the way in spewing misinformation about trump. He is totally in line with the deep state. Watergate and the Pentagon papers had nothing to do with exposing government corruption but bringing down Nixon. If it was Kennedy in power they would never have investigated in the first place.

    • @bestieswithtesties
      @bestieswithtesties Před rokem

      He gets this story completely wrong unfortunately. He seems to omit the fact that America caught Russia/china/Iran/NK red handed running massive propaganda and disinformation campaigns during the 2016 presidential election. The entire "Hillary's emails" scandal came straight from Russian hackers working directly with Wikileaks while Russian bots and trolls ran rampant on American social media pushing anti Hillary pro trump propaganda. And so even though no one in America really thought trump had a chance, he won anyway. And it made all the eastern dictators very happy (theyre all best buds go watch part 3 of Sean Hannitys interview he admits it). So the American government said enough is enough and took steps to protect our social media and news organizations from being influenced by outsiders a second time. This guy isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

  • @fyrbyrd71
    @fyrbyrd71 Před rokem

    There is so many hardball questions that should become because of this.

  • @HeyWatchMeGo
    @HeyWatchMeGo Před rokem

    Wow.... WOW!!! This is incredible!!

  • @Houseofyards
    @Houseofyards Před rokem +22

    The sad part is there's no way to change things if the politicians who can change things are all paid for, with no incentive to do so.

    • @higherlearning1013
      @higherlearning1013 Před rokem +1

      The constitution says otherwise it left recourse for we the people in case this happened

    • @anthonyhernandez3546
      @anthonyhernandez3546 Před rokem

      The only way to change this is for the American people to unite and take arms against the government and officials responsiblefor this. Yes many will die in the process but we have to fight back

    • @robryan751
      @robryan751 Před rokem +1

      We could vote Trump back in. THAT would be the start.

    • @hellovicki6779
      @hellovicki6779 Před rokem

      @@robryan751 Trump is just as bad. Both parties are not functional due to corruption. It is not like who you vote for should be supported the same way a fan is loyal to a sports team. Both sides are neglecting their duty and do not seem to care about citizens getting screwed.

    • @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
      @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Před rokem +1

      Mind Begs the Question:
      If People - Politicians are Terrible
      Politicians - They/xyz Threat to us
      People - Politicians are our Saviors
      Divide & Rule by Fear Psychosis,no?

  • @senseiii3986
    @senseiii3986 Před rokem +23

    The problem with social media, is that social media's are ALL companies. A true social media would be only people you know, no ads, and pages you choose to follow with pics of you4 interest etc. The modern existence of social media is just a marketing campaign and propaganda, mixed in with a little bit of the stuff you like

    • @carlmalone100
      @carlmalone100 Před rokem

      sooo how do we fund it ?

    • @DarranKern
      @DarranKern Před 11 měsíci

      No, social media is ran by the GOVERNMENT thats what this story is about, blockhead

  • @dillonchalifoux2419
    @dillonchalifoux2419 Před rokem

    I respect Rogan a lot for this small information like this can lead people to a lot of different knowledge good job 👍🏽

  • @dylanphillips405
    @dylanphillips405 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Most important interview Ive seen maybe ever

  • @infinitedurr
    @infinitedurr Před rokem +10

    Ah, my sweet summer child. He's so close, but still has so much yet to learn

  • @mbf9690
    @mbf9690 Před rokem +77

    Remember, Trump’s threat to leave NATO was due to the fact that no other member was paying their dues to be members.
    He came in and threatened leaving until they started paying. He was successful in his pursuit and suddenly members paid instead of us paying for everything.
    Another successful mandate by Trump!

    • @brockwagner939
      @brockwagner939 Před rokem

      We are still paying far more than our fair share. I'd like to see how much hardware and $$$ every other NATO country has donated to this current farce.

    • @newusernamehere4772
      @newusernamehere4772 Před rokem +8

      It really is wild how much he accomplished solely by not taking shit seriously. If anyone can learn anything from Trump that's it right there.

    • @richardtyler3498
      @richardtyler3498 Před rokem

      Poland increased to 4%. Just above Greece.

    • @EvilMAiq
      @EvilMAiq Před rokem +1

      Yeah, not a good decision by him.
      We had a lot of power over our allies until he decided we wanted the money more than the leverage.

    • @CommanderRiker0
      @CommanderRiker0 Před rokem +1

      @@EvilMAiq LOL, what an awful take. We should send money from poor American's to buy weapons for some of the nations with the highest living standards on Earth? Ok buddy....

  • @I3oob_Master69
    @I3oob_Master69 Před rokem +3

    I love this guy thanks for enlightening the people! Wow…I’m left speechless and had chills through out the whole video 🤯

  • @lashawn369
    @lashawn369 Před rokem

    Checking in from the DMV.

  • @BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm
    @BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm Před rokem +22

    I would love to everyone involved be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. But I think I'll have a better luck with the lottery.🤔

    • @sthubbins4038
      @sthubbins4038 Před rokem

      Hopefully FoxNews gets bankrupted for their election lies. But we know Joe will never touch that story 😂

    • @cannowuppass8214
      @cannowuppass8214 Před rokem

      They won't eat their own. That's why Hillary is still free and Dr. Falsei won't be prosecuted for his lies. They like to say no one is above the law but they are lies.

  • @ModeratelyAmused
    @ModeratelyAmused Před rokem +37

    I can picture Dave Smith watching this clip and enjoying it up to the point where Shellenberger says we won the war on terror and Dave does a spit take.

    • @G_Ozare
      @G_Ozare Před rokem +6

      😂 Absolutely. He definitely wouldn’t agree on US and military aid to our allies either

    • @jbrownjetmech-4783
      @jbrownjetmech-4783 Před rokem

      If we don't repeal the Patriot act, and soon, we will have lost the war on terror. Bin Laden will have succeeded by dividing us and destroying us from within.

    • @cilvaxd951
      @cilvaxd951 Před rokem

      surrendering 80 billion in equipment to the taliban is called winning in clown world just like ukraine losing 30% of its land and is so called "winning"

  • @nyennestils5339
    @nyennestils5339 Před rokem +2

    I've been wondering how the coordinated attack on logic and statistics gained so much traction.

  • @trinsit
    @trinsit Před rokem +1

    🤯 This is the first I'm hearing of this being what was in the Twitter file. All you keep hearing is how there was nothing in it.

    • @dorukbaglan3923
      @dorukbaglan3923 Před rokem

      :) Whoever told you there's nothing in Twitter files is the one that wants to censor. I'm happy you just opened the Pandora's box.

  • @tomnaughadie
    @tomnaughadie Před rokem +12

    This is how real information being leaked and shared turned into fantastical conspiracy games where your team is always good and the other team is always the worst kind of evil.

    • @brandonalan8884
      @brandonalan8884 Před rokem +3

      People feel threatened when they have to re evaluate their world view on a deep level.

    • @sthubbins4038
      @sthubbins4038 Před rokem +3

      Still nothing from Joe on the FoxNews Files 🤔

    • @sYd6point7
      @sYd6point7 Před rokem

      @@sthubbins4038 grow up , anyone who doesn't know the media is corrupt has not paid attention for the last 40 years. Social media being a strong arm enforcement branch of the US government is LITERALLY ILLEGAL and unconstitutional.... it is literally a step towards totalitarianism... grow up yo. Ohhhh boo booo fox news ....

    • @richardtyler3498
      @richardtyler3498 Před rokem

      ​​@@sthubbins4038 Dominion voting machines don't have access to the internet?

    • @jocksharerock7318
      @jocksharerock7318 Před rokem +2

      @@sthubbins4038 of course not. The new mainstream sources of omitted news:
      Rogan, Brand, Taibbi, Dore and associates.
      Why bring up the Dominion lawsuit when it cuts into your narratives and profits? Can you say “irony?”

  • @MachineThatCreates
    @MachineThatCreates Před rokem +28

    Bottom line: it's more likely we will be fed BS than the truth. The truth gets THEM nowhere.

  • @juanpontif7577
    @juanpontif7577 Před 9 měsíci

    There is no coming back from this

  • @mansionoflostspiritsrecords

    I love that crooked headband cushion on Joe's headphones

  • @mariohouse2612
    @mariohouse2612 Před rokem +14

    Thank you for breaking this all down in an understandable way, Michael Shellenberger.

    • @henryburton6529
      @henryburton6529 Před rokem

      m.czcams.com/video/a597e6Wv_xg/video.html
      This video suggests Elon and Matt tricked you

  • @RitikRai-kc4oc
    @RitikRai-kc4oc Před rokem +25

    Be intelligent to restrain from social media then.

    • @GEMSofGOD_com
      @GEMSofGOD_com Před rokem

      💯 Absolutely use-less since this Twitter story exposed how f-d up American media is

    • @eternalchaos2575
      @eternalchaos2575 Před rokem +1

      Exactly. Social media is designed for this very purpose.

  • @hikedeco9749
    @hikedeco9749 Před rokem

    What I like Abt JRE is he let's people talk!!!

  • @SonOfBlad3
    @SonOfBlad3 Před rokem +62

    Joe you are a solid guy and after this episode, there's no doubt. Alot of people don't know this, so thanks for dropping this knowledge ✊🏾

    • @bestieswithtesties
      @bestieswithtesties Před rokem

      He gets this story completely wrong unfortunately. He seems to omit the fact that America caught Russia/china/Iran/NK red handed running massive propaganda and disinformation campaigns against Americans during the 2016 presidential election. The entire "Hillary's emails" scandal came straight from Russian hackers working directly with Wikileaks while bots and trolls ran rampant on American social media pushing anti Hillary pro trump propaganda. And so even though no one in America really thought trump had a chance, he won anyway. And it made all the eastern dictators very happy (theyre all best buds go watch part 3 of Sean Hannitys interview he admits it). So the American government said enough is enough and took steps to protect our social media and news organizations from being influenced by outsiders a second time. This guy isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

    • @henryburton6529
      @henryburton6529 Před rokem

      m.czcams.com/video/a597e6Wv_xg/video.html
      This video suggests Elon and Michael tricked you and Joe

  • @jel0995
    @jel0995 Před rokem +5

    Can’t wait to watch the full podcast. This guy send seems great

  • @protestthisyouloser1093
    @protestthisyouloser1093 Před rokem +14

    The first 30 mins of this episode is truly the best journalism I’ve seen in 20
    Years.
    Hats off to joe for asking REALLY GREAt questions

    • @kurtwmartinson
      @kurtwmartinson Před rokem +1

      Agree.

    • @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
      @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Před rokem +1

      Mind Begs the Question:
      Hitler used Media
      To falsely Demonize Jews
      To spread Nazi Propaganda
      More Reliable - Corporate Media,Independent Media?

  • @Tumkatt
    @Tumkatt Před rokem +1

    Nice pod wanted to hear more about the twitter files tho

  • @willlecomber7509
    @willlecomber7509 Před rokem +44

    I am a conservative and I really respect joe and Michael who are both liberals who have respect for others even if the don’t agree with certain political views

    • @barne3668
      @barne3668 Před rokem

      Joe is no longer a liberal. He's seen so much corruption in the Democratic Party he now says he can't possibly be a liberal

    • @onlyicedcrybaby7297
      @onlyicedcrybaby7297 Před rokem

      We're way past all that "agree or disagree " . These are Marxist communists deep inside our government. This isn't about left or right. It's an agenda

    • @brawndothethirstmutilator9848
      @brawndothethirstmutilator9848 Před rokem +8

      will lecomber, Yes. The type of liberals that you can disagree with yet still manage to run a functioning society alongside. They are becoming more and more rare every year.

    • @sc0ner783
      @sc0ner783 Před rokem +9

      There's plenty of liberals who are fed up with the progressives and neo-liberals

    • @michaelcimags6991
      @michaelcimags6991 Před rokem +1

      Its just odd/alarming having big time journalists fall for propaganda over and over again. The average person had access to it in 2020. All you had to do was dig a bit

  • @dpm2515
    @dpm2515 Před rokem +3

    Great explanation of events by Mike

  • @sharmaLlama
    @sharmaLlama Před rokem

    So deep it goes...😮

  • @Azbrick623
    @Azbrick623 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Gotta control everything and everyone

  • @ashleylala4293
    @ashleylala4293 Před rokem +324

    It is both sad and funny that it takes the journalists over a year to realize the truths that us “conspiracy theorists” know from the get.

    • @worldisfilledb
      @worldisfilledb Před rokem +6

      Wrong lol

    • @ReallyCoolGuy6969
      @ReallyCoolGuy6969 Před rokem +32

      @@worldisfilledb Wrong lol

    • @bestieswithtesties
      @bestieswithtesties Před rokem

      He gets this story completely wrong unfortunately. He seems to omit the fact that America caught Russia/china/Iran/NK red handed running massive propaganda and disinformation campaigns during the 2016 presidential election. The entire "Hillary's emails" scandal came straight from Russian hackers working directly with Wikileaks while Russian bots and trolls ran rampant on American social media pushing anti Hillary pro trump propaganda. And so even though no one in America really thought trump had a chance, he won anyway. And it made all the eastern dictators very happy (theyre all best buds go watch part 3 of Sean Hannitys interview he admits it). So the American government said enough is enough and took steps to protect our social media and news organizations from being influenced by outsiders a second time. This guy isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

    • @omoeyami9742
      @omoeyami9742 Před rokem

      Nope it takes a year to get actually proof of the conspiracy theories you know form the get ,basically they're the ones putting in actually work instead of just debating the issue online

    • @egcowling9657
      @egcowling9657 Před rokem +41

      To PROVE it. He got the EVIDENCE. We didnt. Something we THOUGHT, He PROVED.

  • @dertythegrower
    @dertythegrower Před rokem +27

    Keep guys like this coming onto this show.. for sure.

    • @dertythegrower
      @dertythegrower Před rokem

      Big up Young Jamie 💪 You are doin great guests this year, do not stop.

  • @jonmo2694
    @jonmo2694 Před rokem

    It was only a matter of time, I remember when there were no ads on the internet.

  • @jonathana9236
    @jonathana9236 Před 9 měsíci

    You never hear this kind of information from the news. So the news can no longer question why their credibility has diminished throughout the years .

  • @kennydangerous6312
    @kennydangerous6312 Před rokem +5

    That’s pretty wild to name Noam Chomsky and then mere moments later state that the war on terror was an incredible success. I would like to hear more on that.

  • @peetky8645
    @peetky8645 Před rokem +6

    they should subpoena every internal legal "finding" written by all lawyers in these departments. put the heads of the departments in jail until the paperwork is produced.

  • @emp1668
    @emp1668 Před rokem

    Fascinating

  • @fcbones9828
    @fcbones9828 Před rokem

    Barry Weiss, is that the same dude from storage wars 😂😂

  • @slicctmac
    @slicctmac Před rokem +7

    I pray for all of us humans who are good, we must stand together as one!

  • @sphigel1
    @sphigel1 Před rokem +10

    Did this guy just non-sarcastically say the war on terror was an overwhelming success? He was sounding so rational up to that point.

    • @WeThePeople001
      @WeThePeople001 Před rokem

      My thoughts exactly and Joe still calling Trump crazy..shm

    • @whatsupdog1761
      @whatsupdog1761 Před rokem +1

      I assumed it was sarcasm, but am still waiting for the chuckle or smirk. It's like the Anakin meme.

    • @shaiapouf442
      @shaiapouf442 Před rokem

      You missed the point. A BUNCH of losers needed jobs after the patriot act being it created alot of jobs. Its not FJB its FUnc.S