Jeep Patriot & TFL fan takes on the Cliffhanger Extreme Off-Road Hill Climb
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- čas přidán 16. 10. 2015
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The Jeep Patriot is a worthy off-road ride but is good enough to make it up TFL's Cliffhanger hill climb? In this special episode of TFL's Off-Road Series Ruts & Guts a TFL fan and viewer tests his Jeep Patriot on the infamous Cliffhanger
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Tires. They actually make a difference.
"Why can't I make it up a dirt hill on Prius tires?" 😂
The Jeep Patriot would have made it up easily if it was an FDII model, and if the driver knew how to drive off-road.
that was the offroad one. the offroad one has a cvt and its cutting power in this video. my patriot is the FD1 model and its got the 6 speed and Ive gone further than my friends FD2 model offroad because I can put the power out better.
I navigated much tougher terrains with my Patriot. I think this is not a car problem but a driver problem :)
I have a patriot myself, I’ve went through 3 inch thick mud with the stock tires and it took me straight through it
Is it only me or the "Oh, no! Gosh, poor Jeep" moaning was irritating as hell?
Yeah and I wouldn't consider a caliber a jeep
Poor dodge caliber with higher ground clearance.
yes annoying
It was a great little clip of the Patriot, but if she didn't talk it would be better 😁😁lol
thats how i feel about most women in these 4x4 vids haha
That Patriot driver needed a spotter he took a bad angle trying to go up and kept taking the same angle!
In case people want to know, the tires are brand new geolandar a/t. 4low + 4lock+ esp full off was used. I wish I had a spotter for this and maybe airing down the tires would have helped. I just couldn't keep the speed going up it. When I got to the highest point I tried to turn the wheel around to get it start going forward again with no luck. That hill was just super slippery with all the loose dirt. 2 of the tires would just keep spinning and the brake locks differential wouldn't fully stop them because there was still some partial traction on the slipping tires. It would just kind of pulse the brake locks.
If you want to go offroad, get a Cherokee XJ, Grand Cherokee ZJ, or Wrangler, or basically any jeep made before 2006
Much better.
those little 4 cylinders in patriots can’t do shit, especially with a CVT. Also very unreliable.
We had a patriot and were glad its gone, and now own 2 Wrangler TJs, 2 Wrangler JKs, and 1 Cherokee XJ.
the woman's moaning was poorer than the Jeep
i think the patriot could've made it if it wasn't a car they needed cause he could've carried more momentum up that hill and we also don't know what kind of tires and the tread depth of the tires
+Trenton Thomas The Jeep Patriot give you P215/60R17 BSW All Season Touring Tires but with Freedom-Drive II Off-Road Group you get P215/65R17 OWL All Terrain Tires and Continuously Var. Trans with Off-Road Crawl Ratio
+Trenton Thomas new Geolandar A/T 225/65/17
Aw man! I really wanted to see the Patriot make it. I wonder how a Renegade would do.
+Jordan Little With the 9 speed the Renegade would probably do a lot better than this Patriot did with its CVT. With the extra low ratio that the TrailHawk version has it would probably walk this hill, although it wouldn't make it look as easy as a Wrangler would.
+Jordan Little Renegade TH would probably pull it off in low range. Cherokee TH would probably make that look easy (I'll let you know after I take mine up there).
those cvts are really proving themselves
If that patriot was stick like mine it would of done a lot better
went through worse stuff than that when my patriot was stock... now I'm running 31" tires and a 3 inch lift I'd fly up that no problem
Is 4x4 locked mode active? I don `t believe. the patriot has a lockable 4x4 In short, here we see a bad driver. I have climbed to worse places with my Jeep Patriot
The Subaru made it further than the Jeep Patriot! I used to own a Patriot, but mine had the off road package and it was unstoppable in the snow. This was a fun video!
Awd Audi sports cars are unstoppable in the snow!! I'm watching this because I want ... wanted a patriot! Not sure now .. maybe some more vids will help redeem it.
I have a 2016 patriot. This is not a good example of what the newer patriots can do. Mine could make it.
@@theaverageguy6941 prove it !
The Patriot in the video did have the off road package lol. You can see the "trail rated" badge on the driverside door. All Patriots were crap. They were never made or even after market supported for anything serious off road.
@@theaverageguy6941 No it couldn't lol
I am pretty sure my 2015 Patriot with the 6 speed tranny and the OWL all terrain package will make it. I have traversed some pretty steep stuff.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result each time.
My relatively stock 2001 XJ would do this trail with ease, but my 2008 Patriot with a five speed manual gets stuck in minor, unpacked gravel! The Patriots lot in life is a tall car that gets reasonable gas mileage and is cheap to make. I wish they still made the XJ - I would be to the dealer so fast that I would appear to be a blur!
my 5 speed FD1 used to do fantastic in mud, rocks, and gravel.
Nobel attempt there by Joel! lol, the wife had me cracking up...
Why are there so many people driving completely stock Patriots with street tires off road? I have the 4WD but I'm waiting until I lift it 2 inches with different tires and overhaul the suspension before I do anything. You guys are wild. XD
I'd love to do this.I hardly have hills where I am.Mud holes tho
subaru and jeep take notice the cvt is crap get rid of it
Cvt's are good in cars.
It's not the fault of the CVT. It's the fault of too tall gearing. Subarus and low end Jeeps don't have low range gearing like you get in a two speed transfer case. This puts the engine at a torque disadvantage.
Still got it? I know the later models were vastly improved but the bad reviews put me off. Love the shape - although here in Europe they came with a 'safety spec' front bumper that is the ugliest thing in automotive history!
Funny! Would love to see the renegade trail hawk try
I want the coordinates for this trail... I want to attempt it in a Subaru XV Crosstrek and a Subaru Forester XT. It does look terribly steep, though.
id b willing to bet that my 2014 FXT would make it
Somebody politely tell that high pitched...anxious woman to back off and go inside.
Try it again with a 6AT equipped Patriot?
ya mine has the 6 speed and i could easily have gone this
I’ve done much steeper and much more slippery inclines than that in my 6 speed. The CVT sucks balls
Lock it like its hot!!! lol
My '15 Patriot has a 6 speed auto. I really do think it's the cvt that's the issue. Jeep has been bolting the cvt and manual to the 2.0 whereas the 6 auto gets the 2.4. Looks like the tires are not working well in this terrain as well.
Hey there.
I assure you all Patriots untill now if automatic are CVT transmission.
What you refer to as 6 speed automatic, is the ratios that are put in place which mimick the change of gears as you drive. In reality its a CVT and with 1 mechanical gear. Which is why it failed time and time again, because the CVT failed to build enough momentum to assist in that climb. Ofcourse besides the bad tire choice and a weak engine that isn't designed for such circumstances.
+No Way nope - same 6 speed Hyundai sourced auto that was in my Kia Forte hb and many Hyundai, Kia, and Chrysler/Fiat products. I outta know since I have issues with my tranny torque converter.
+Expressionistix oooh wow, then fair enough. I will look into now. thanks for the update.
Nice submission, just goes to show what regular tires can't do. And to Subaru, please give TFL more cars the cliff hanger proved to me how much more capable it is over other crossovers and I know it's not supposed to be a off-roader.
I'm hitting this trail on Monday with my xterra, open diff
How many times does she say "put it in 4wd"? Lol...... it's a Patriot, it puts itself into 4wd you dummy! Now he should have had the off road mode on to begin with, that's the FD2 Trail Rated Patriot . I have a 2015 FD1 Patriot with the new 6 speed auto and mine has climbed MUCH steeper "goat paths" than this with the OEM Affinity 'street tires" on it. There wasn't all those gnarly roots on my trail but that guy wasn't even up to the roots yet! He really made us Patriot drivers look like inept off-roaders. My '15 Pat has climbed trails so steep that right before cresting the top all I saw was sky!
Agree, I have a FD II Patriot 2015. Trails as these are no issues....
That jeep driver was an idiot and should learn how to drive his jeep. His girl could have done a better job!
I have a fd1 4x4 5speed on 30s and it does better than this 🤣🤣🤣
I've got the 2011 sport model, manual transmission. I'm always sure to turn off the traction control so there's no slippage of one tire over another. I spin all 4 as needed! LOL I've also take it far worse places than this. If the traction control is left on while off roading, you get these difficulties as seen here in this video. The patriot is FAR more capable than this guy lets on.
How do I know of the patriot is FD1 or FD2 ?
Where abouts on the Switzerland trail is this I have buddies in Colorado ready to tackle this with Jeep Commanders and we'd all like to see this happen
Patriot 2.0 CRD 140cv/310Nm with manual gearbox 6 speeds, bridgestone desert dueler tires and goes up...no problem
How about the 2015 jeep compass with the 6 speed auto trans? Try that
So thats what The Roman from Regular Car Reviews looks like..
"poor jeep, poor jeep, oho on uhhhh poor jeep, sob sob, poor jeep"...like wtf
My patriot has made it through so much worse without even a struggle including going through a flooded road with water half up the door. 6 speed trans is way better and all terrains make a world of difference
I think it would be cool to do like a 98 dodge durango 318 4x4 I have grabber at2s and it goes here there and everywhere
nice
the jeep patriot was very entertaining
Tires I have a compass and it made it up similar things
That CVT must really be terrible, I’ve been driving a 6 speed Patriot for 3 years now and I’ve only had to turn back on a trail once and that was only because I would have rolled over
ya the 6 speed ones are more capable than the CVT trail rated ones
2011 jeep compass did it no problems guess I will have to make a video I've been down this trail probably 20 times with 3 different vehicles 2015 f150 2011 jeep compass 1992 jeep yj. Maybe driver error :)
A stock Cherokee XJ could have done easy af on the hard line...
my patriot with the 6 speed could do this no problem
Mine would do it!
9:16 I’ve taken formerly my 2008 FWD Patriot in tougher situations..
The driver should of gave his purse to the woman videoing 😂😂
It sucks, I want to see you guys review subarus!
Would love to take my patriot Wildcat out there to show you what they can really do! I'd put money on it that she'd take that hill just fine
I like mine . (2013) . Don't go off road but put meatier tires on for snow . Maybe traction control on? Turn it off, put it in low ,4wd lock I cant see it being so bad .
+680ecks Dont think the patriots have 4 wheel low. just high
+leadnsteel Freedom Drive 1 models like mine don't have 4 low. Freedom Drive 2 models have both low and hi.
Mine has 4x4 lock lever supposed to send power to all wheels . I don't know what system I have I got it because it was a good deal for a small station wagon, I fit ,and it's good on gas. It's great for the snow I gave it to my wife and got an f150 .
Wow.. My word.. I remember back then when the video was new watching that Outback trudge up there.. holy.. 😲🤓🥲😅.. 5:03
Duhhh "I don't think I can do it" ….No shite Joel. You should have figured that out after the second or third attempt.
+Yippie I agree with you. I could not understand that either. I would not be surprised if he didn't do some damage to his wife's car. If so, he might have a very cold and lonely winter :-)
How many attempts do you need to realize it's not going to happen? ''Ugh, Ugh, Ugh, moan, moan, moan, city tires dressed, MPG built, poor underpowered CVT Jeep!'' :-)
LMFAO
dude...I was thinking the SAME...DAMN...THING...he voice was pissing me off..
Right?
Ladies and Gentlemen: This is why you don't buy CVT unless you're just touring around the city. "Trail Rated" my ass.
Rory Christel my 2012 compass has no problem up climbs at all. Lock the diff. Traction control off. Never lift
TFL needs to try a 2011+ Ford Explorer up the Cliff Hanger.
+jmc6000 It might have enough power to overcome its lack of low range. The Patriots problem was he didn't have a low range and the CVT is terrible at getting power to the ground.
Lol Joel it's not meant for this 😅😅🤣🤣🤣
If the Patriot had the package with Freedom Drive II it would have made it. Its just not geared low enough. The CVT was a very unhappy camper.
+Stuka87 I agree, if it had the low range gears and 6 speed auto instead of the CVT it would have made it, clearance was not an issue.
+Stuka87 That is a FDII package. You can tell right at the beginning of the video. Only FDII had the Trail Rated badge.
+David Auker Then he didn't put it in low. I have seen one with the FDII climb some very steep things and had plenty of torque. There are event videos of guys with them at Moab.
+Stuka87 Moab has plenty of traction, this doesn't. I think that is the root cause here and with the Subaru cvt. It seems those things just sort of disengage the cvt when a wheel spins.
Lada 4x4 is the BEST OFF ROAD car!!!
+Костя Шишкин AGREED !!!!!!!!
We are trying to get a Niva to Colorado.
There is the better car than Lada NIVA is UAZ!
Костя Шишкин UAZ make amazing off-road vehicles, and they are definitely some of the best in the world. I didn't realize they were available to the public.
MrKeyboardCommando UAZ PATRIOT is the new model. dzhips.com/rossijjskie/uaz/patriot-2015-modelnogo-goda.html
I will bring my 2 door wrangler up there once the snow melts.
Excuses, excuses, excuses! No, it's not that the engine is too small. No, it isn't that the gearing isn't low enough. The main two problems are a) The driver didn't have enough experience to pick the best line and b) He didn't know how to take advantage of what Jeep calls, "brake-lock differentials".
As for "airing down", that would have made it easier on both the driver and the vehicle (and on the lady when she was in the vehicle). There are ways to deal with the problem of not having a compressor with you. 1) carry a tank full of compressed air. 2) Carry a tire pump (a 12-volt pump or a hand pump). Yes, a compressor would be faster than a tire pump but most people shouldn't even be off pavement if they are in a hurry. (You really shouldn't be off pavement any father than the parking lot at the local sweet corn stand without one of the above.) But even if you don't have a way to pump up the tires yourself before getting back on pavement, there are VERY few places in the U.S. where you can't plan your route so you can come out from driving off pavement somewhere near a filling station with an air hose.
Now please, TFL, find someone with half the experience my wife has driving off pavement and who understands both physics and the Freedom Drive II system and make a video of someone going up that hill in a bone-stock vehicle with Freedom Drive II.
The jeep Patriot..?
Did you guys use the locker?
Did it have a locker?
Mine has a locker. But never taken it off-roading.
Unless you're high-centered limited slip is better than nothing.
I've always liked Jeeps. I was disappointed that this couldn't at least match the Outback`s performance here.
So where is this hill located (GPS location perhaps), neither the funtreks book nor traildamage seem to indicate any specific hills on the switzerland trail and overall the trail is rated as very easy. Tempted to take my Cherokee Trailhawk on it (would probably do it, since that early bronco did it on street tires, in the mud and with open diffs).
+mrvwbug44 40.058217, -105.479184 take video
+mrvwbug44 I have driven the cherokee trailhawk and this patriot off road. The trailhawk would do it no problem. That vehicle is in another league compared to the fd2 patriot.
The tires would make the difference
"Just put in four wheel drive!" It IS in four wheel drive. That's all she's got.
Jeep compass and patriot are just cars thats it
Do you guys think a jeep liberty kk trail rated would be able to make it up the hill?
+Rafael Domenikos If it has a low range then yes.
It is funny because I am looking for a car for my fishing trips and now I see that my old peugeot 307 from 2005 is better than jepp patriot which i consider to buy :D If you only know where I arrived with my old peugeot. Anyway patriot is still good looking car visually
Very sorry to hear about the falling out with Subaru. How much damage was there?
+_HOON_ Scratched paint.
+nathan adlen Doesn't your Rubi doing the MMUSA have a little scratched paint? 😉
+nathan admen Oh, come on, Nathan, you know it wasn't the scratched paint, it was the stiletto heel shaped holes in the roof lining, and the ' disgusting ' condition of the seat covers that caused Subaru's objection. Anyway, that's what Roman said.
+nathan adlen it wasn't the paint it was the hurt ego that the subaru couldn't do the cliffhanger.
+jlen82 indeed
Cherokee Trailhawk would make it up that hill. Rear locker makes a big difference in going up backing down.
Geesh, Roman didn't need to be so dramatic and go fast up the hill in the Wrangler or Bronco, both would have easily crawled up. Off roading isn't about speed.
And I would have expected a little better from the Outback and Patriot, perhaps a driver mod would help...
I think I found the spot on Google maps. Next time I'm out to Colorado I'd like to try it in our '05 Outback XT with the older AWD system and 5EAT vs this new X-drive system and CVT. I don't think the old system will "stop", but spin all four wheels when it can't climb any more.
You made it up it with the broncho but totally avoided the root that got the Subaru stuck, not exactly fair.
That's because Nathan was driving the Subaru
Me jeep patriot goes up in that hill easy. Tires make the diference. And algo the experience driving offroad
Apparently, according to Sammy Johnson, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Why should the vehicle be any different ?
Maybe the trail rated version with a lift and proper tires could make it, but a run of the mill patriot with street tires doesn't have what it takes.
+1guyin10 Agreed. Also, the 1st generation (this one) also had a CVT. The current version's transmission is much better.
nathan adlen The 6 speed auto that they put in most of them now would do much better. Of course I bought the base FWD with the 5 speed manual, which is useless off road. On the other hand it was cheap, surprisingly comfortable and delivers 28+ mpg.
+1guyin10 That patriot was a set of low range gears and a non-CVT transmission away from making it, even with the street tires. I am tempted to take my Cherokee Trailhawk up there, I suspect it will have no issue (low range, locker and proper tires and all)
mrvwbug44 Bet it will make it. I've seen the Cherokee Trailhawk do some surprising stuff. For that matter we followed a Renegade Trailhawk around a while back and other than having squat for articulation it did rather well.
It IS in four wheel drive lady, it's just bad ;)
Can you please do this with the Xterra?
+vorhees666 It would make it look easy, as would any proper 4x4 with a low range.
The real problem is traction control. Even though you can turn it off its never fully "off". If you could disable the traction control fully i think the Subaru Outback and the Jeep Patriot could have done it.
+TheWeakLink101 Put it in ....N hold traction controll button for 10 sec dissables it
on my 08 liberty I can turn it all the way off. tells you how to do it in the manual. you hold the button for 5 secs. switches it off. I know even my liberty could have done it. I blame it on the street tires and operating error. but iv never owned a patriot
+TheWeakLink101 you can't disable the brake lock differentials. I think even if there was a way to disable them, there would be no way to get those spinning tires sending their power to the wheels with traction.
Haha Bronco did pretty good considering.
I don't even like ford, but I must give credit where credit is due. The bronco did very well
Yes it had street tires too
Sorry it's not the car it's the driver. I have one and took it crazy places without issues
I wouldn't want to own any of those cars that couldn't make it up that hill. What if someones life depended on you getting up that hill?
I think the Subaru Outback got up higher
The patriot and compass should have never wore the jeep name. Especially never should have had a trail rated badge. Completely backs up how little that emblem means. It can't even spin the tires enough to actually even get stuck. Was traction control on or can it even be defeated?
Tires are the problem here 😂
mmmmm 😮😮😮ohh.. I spoke to soon.. 0:21
no more subarus?
I have a patriot and I have made it up fairly difficult hills in just front wheel drive on just one attempt with sub-par tires. Although I have a manual transmission which in my opinion is the ONLY way a Patriot is worth a damn. The automatic transmission they developed for the patriot is junk
did you take the 2014 Forester up the Cliffhanger yet?
No. Subaru would not want that.
+The Fast Lane Car lol
+The Fast Lane Car Can you please email me GPS coordinates for this? I'd love to try it in my 2015 2.7l ecoboost supercrew F-150. cox1782@gmail.com also I have video of a little trail work on my channel.
Southern Nevada offroading and back country
40.058204,-105.465381
it's not bad at all unless its really muddy. My stock 2015 f150 fx4 did it no problems with street tires and the girlfriends 2011 jeep compass did it with all terrains.
Patriot with a manual and 4x4 would have made it. The CVT murders these things for ability.
My UAZ Hunter walks up the hills with engine off
Probably theh sold that poor thing after this
It should stay in the grocery store parking lots! It's more dangerous there.
the wrangler and the grand cherokee are the only "new" good jeeps
Agreed
my word.. 😮😮😮7:42.. nvm.. 😑
Cvt for ya n good
Street tires aren't going to go up that
Lets see the new Chevy Colorado diesel 4x4 do it.
+Paul Wicklund Should have zero issue. Most proper 4x4s with a low range could do that easily. Their early bronco did it with little trouble and was running street tires with open diffs at both ends.
man I like this episode a little more blAMM
I just got a Patriot WTF?!