Great stuff, I have recently also started collecting the kit. Great point about the winter kit, people don't seem to understand that clothing only keeps you warm for a while. Also, the Finns had way more difficulties with not enough uniforms even manufactured in time, so civilian coats and hats were used.
I remember being confused by an incident where a Soviet unit of a couple hundred men captured a Finnish base and was later pushed out because instead of fortifying the place they started eating the Finnish rations and warming up by the fires. This lack of rest facilities would explain that so well, the lack equipment never made sense to me since Russia already has harsh winters and they had no problems with freezing to death normally. Great video
@@Juhani96 In many Finnish stories of the way it is told that later on the Society troops were reinforced with Siberian peoples who were more weather hardened. Supposedly also more difficult to kill, requiring more bullets than Russians and Ukrainians.
You are absolutely right. The Soviet command structure and system which is a top down system didn't allow their soldiers to rotate or rest. Units were pushed to the front line of combat until they were wiped out or reinforced with replacements but never rotated out for rest. Many Soviet units fought in their line of battle and became isolated and cut off. The Finns knowing their terrain and area they were fighting in were able to cutting off and ambushing Soviet supplies and chopping up fresh reinforcements with no combat experience by their small raiding ski parties causing more confusion and chaos into the Soviet rear. This is what the Finns called their "Motti Tactics" meaning chopping a log. Light infantry on skis with machineguns and submachineguns would follow Soviet columns on the flanks, followed by light mortar teams on skis and sleds with enough communication wire between the mortar teams and the forward observer team. The Finns ambushed the Soviets until they inflicted casualties and damage then retreated and disappeared. The Soviets were constantly harassed and supply systems smashed which was key strategy in weakening Soviet front line units. No food, no ammunition, and replacements, bad things happen.
Don't forget the balaclava. Very common sight during the winter war Also at 4:10 - I'm fairly positive that those are ushankas and SSh-40s on top Nice video anyways
I may not have the full context, but I believe those documentaries are referring to the Soviets not having snow camoflauge and not the winter clothing itself (due to well, Soviets having experience in the winter), I could be wrong though.
It was my understanding that the criticism of Soviet uniforms in the winter war was not about their inadequacy in the cold, but rather the soldiers being issued brown, green, and other such color uniforms that were not ideal for blending in with snow
I spent a week at my Karelian grandma once, she told me she found her old family photos. So she showed me them, one of them showed her dad’s oldest brother in a winter uniform next to a Russian pow during the winter war. The Ruskie had winter uniform and i must say, the pow had better winter camo.
Hello i'm a big fan of your videos and i love your uniforms, i wanted to ask you where di you get the winter war great coat you are wearing in this video
Exactly, it wasn't really the clothing, some of the most important winter equipment the Soviets lacked (at the start of the war) were tents! In Suomussalmi the Soviet troops had to keep themselves warm with campfires (which revealed their position at night) and had to sleep in holes in the ground while Finns slept in warm tents with stoves. The Soviets obviously had miscalculated that they could house their troops in captured buildings but the Finns denied them that option, burning their towns before letting them fall into Russian hands.
It's really funny because the same winter clothing was issued during WW2 and they had never complained about it and only complained about the Germans' winter uniforms. (the Germans also had winter uniforms and I'm pretty sure more Soviets died of frostbite than the Germans)
My sapogis dont have insulation; its just leather and keriz rubberized canvas. They arent good for winter at all. I wear a wool sock and a thinner sock underneath to try and supplemeath for cold.
Normally, every soviet soldier received a greatcoat, because this was not only a coat, it also was the blanket to sleep with. I've not heard of any instances of soviet soldiers not receiving a greatcoat. Especially since in 1940 the second world war hasn't started yet for the USSR. I could be wrong but I very highly doubt that some soldiers did not receive greatcoats
The start of WW2 for the Soviets was 1939. They invaded Poland alongside the German forces, then turned North into the Baltic States & then tried to invade Finland in November of that year. ..... don't believe the Great Patriotic War BS, and 1941 as the Soviet entry to WW2. As an ally to Germany, the Soviets were also the enemy until they "swapped sides" by default when the German forces invaded Russia. The West already had some direct experience of fighting the Soviets from the White Army expeditions of the 1918-1919 period
Фины дружили с Германией, и предоставляли им свою территорию для нападения на СССР с севера на Ленинград. Это факт. Сталин предлагал мирно отодвинуть границы в обмен на территоррии СССР. Естественно нацисты не хотели решать мирным путем. Сталин решил военным путем и за три месяца разбил финнов. Те капитулировали. Задача была выполнена. Кстати у финнов была фашисткая свастика на танках, только синяя. Они получили по заслугам. Вопросы?
The Soviets won that war in two-three months dude! And the Finns were Nazis, totally allied and into the whole Bourgeois-Nazi Plan, so please refer to them as such. And to Russian would EVER have such a stupid mustache!
@Andrej Mucic, Bruh Finns weren't nazis, and allying with nazis was the only option to regain lost lands from Soviets. And why did Soviets start that war in the first place? Winter war was tecnically won by soviets, but they didn't manage to conquer Finland. And Finland inflicted much, much more casualties than soviets. ps The Moustache is very cool!
@@bpsalami9864 захватить всю Финляндию задачи не стояло, задача была отодвинуть от граници от СССР, от Ленинграда. Сталин предлагал мирно решить вопрос, но финны не захотели, им немцы советовали не решать мирным путем. Сталин решил вопрос военным путем за три месяца. Фины всячески помогали нацистам, и представляли свою территорию как плацдарм для нападения на СССР. Нападение Германии подтвердило правельность решения Сталина. Правильно все сделали русские.
Finland was a neutral country until the Soviet aggressors bombed the civilian population in Helsinki, then invaded Finland in November 1939. Was Poland also a Nazi ally? THAT would explain why the Soviets also invaded Poland (and murdered around 20,000 POWs at Katyn) The Finn's rightly fought the Soviet invaders, who were violating their territory.....it's almost as if I could find a present day parallel.....
Great stuff, I have recently also started collecting the kit. Great point about the winter kit, people don't seem to understand that clothing only keeps you warm for a while. Also, the Finns had way more difficulties with not enough uniforms even manufactured in time, so civilian coats and hats were used.
Thanks man, it means alot coming from you 👍
I remember being confused by an incident where a Soviet unit of a couple hundred men captured a Finnish base and was later pushed out because instead of fortifying the place they started eating the Finnish rations and warming up by the fires. This lack of rest facilities would explain that so well, the lack equipment never made sense to me since Russia already has harsh winters and they had no problems with freezing to death normally. Great video
The famous 'Sausage War'
Soldiers came from leningrad region and from ukraine. They wasn't used for harsh winters and the moral was low so thats why they do so bad.
@@Juhani96 In many Finnish stories of the way it is told that later on the Society troops were reinforced with Siberian peoples who were more weather hardened. Supposedly also more difficult to kill, requiring more bullets than Russians and Ukrainians.
You are absolutely right. The Soviet command structure and system which is a top down system didn't allow their soldiers to rotate or rest. Units were pushed to the front line of combat until they were wiped out or reinforced with replacements but never rotated out for rest. Many Soviet units fought in their line of battle and became isolated and cut off. The Finns knowing their terrain and area they were fighting in were able to cutting off and ambushing Soviet supplies and chopping up fresh reinforcements with no combat experience by their small raiding ski parties causing more confusion and chaos into the Soviet rear. This is what the Finns called their "Motti Tactics" meaning chopping a log. Light infantry on skis with machineguns and submachineguns would follow Soviet columns on the flanks, followed by light mortar teams on skis and sleds with enough communication wire between the mortar teams and the forward observer team. The Finns ambushed the Soviets until they inflicted casualties and damage then retreated and disappeared. The Soviets were constantly harassed and supply systems smashed which was key strategy in weakening Soviet front line units. No food, no ammunition, and replacements, bad things happen.
Off topic but I wanna have your mustache..
That glorious stache
Don't forget the balaclava. Very common sight during the winter war
Also at 4:10 - I'm fairly positive that those are ushankas and SSh-40s on top
Nice video anyways
Great video! It would be great to see a winter war short film!
I may not have the full context, but I believe those documentaries are referring to the Soviets not having snow camoflauge and not the winter clothing itself (due to well, Soviets having experience in the winter), I could be wrong though.
Holy damn - great stuff man!
Please make more videos like this, you're my favorite CZcamsr!, Just pls post more, epic vids btw!
love your videos you should do more on the winter war
It was my understanding that the criticism of Soviet uniforms in the winter war was not about their inadequacy in the cold, but rather the soldiers being issued brown, green, and other such color uniforms that were not ideal for blending in with snow
Defo a part of it.
But the lack of cold weather gear seems to be the main myth
1:08: WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE?!?!?!
“tHe gErMaNs iNvaDeD RuSSia wiThoUT WiNter cloThes”- every reenacting spectator ever
I spent a week at my Karelian grandma once, she told me she found her old family photos. So she showed me them, one of them showed her dad’s oldest brother in a winter uniform next to a Russian pow during the winter war. The Ruskie had winter uniform and i must say, the pow had better winter camo.
Hello i'm a big fan of your videos and i love your uniforms, i wanted to ask you where di you get the winter war great coat you are wearing in this video
4:44 they still used Adrians up until the 30s.
Hey great videos. Just wanna know where you got the helmet, it's a cool design.
Personally I got mine from world war supply but IDK about his
🙌🏻🙌🏻❤️
Exactly, it wasn't really the clothing, some of the most important winter equipment the Soviets lacked (at the start of the war) were tents! In Suomussalmi the Soviet troops had to keep themselves warm with campfires (which revealed their position at night) and had to sleep in holes in the ground while Finns slept in warm tents with stoves. The Soviets obviously had miscalculated that they could house their troops in captured buildings but the Finns denied them that option, burning their towns before letting them fall into Russian hands.
It's really funny because the same winter clothing was issued during WW2 and they had never complained about it and only complained about the Germans' winter uniforms. (the Germans also had winter uniforms and I'm pretty sure more Soviets died of frostbite than the Germans)
smart
Iunderstand the Soviets got their Winter Unifroms, but did they start out with them? Or did they come after the wat started?
My sapogis dont have insulation; its just leather and keriz rubberized canvas. They arent good for winter at all. I wear a wool sock and a thinner sock underneath to try and supplemeath for cold.
Can somebody tell me what did soviet wear under heavy weight bekesha coat?
Usually they were given a civilian shirt and theyd put a jumper underneath
Where did you get this coat pls?
You can buy them from Schusters
Normally, every soviet soldier received a greatcoat, because this was not only a coat, it also was the blanket to sleep with. I've not heard of any instances of soviet soldiers not receiving a greatcoat. Especially since in 1940 the second world war hasn't started yet for the USSR. I could be wrong but I very highly doubt that some soldiers did not receive greatcoats
yes.
Nice pfp
@@StarsBarsAndCheese thanks
@@rkkastarshina3989 welcome
The start of WW2 for the Soviets was 1939.
They invaded Poland alongside the German forces, then turned North into the Baltic States & then tried to invade Finland in November of that year.
..... don't believe the Great Patriotic War BS, and 1941 as the Soviet entry to WW2.
As an ally to Germany, the Soviets were also the enemy until they "swapped sides" by default when the German forces invaded Russia. The West already had some direct experience of fighting the Soviets from the White Army expeditions of the 1918-1919 period
what is that thing around his face below his helmet in the thumbnail called? That piece of cloth?
Thats the Budenovka
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@@goproskiing_kid619 Yes,it's that pointy hat with ears lowered.
Прикольно
Where did you get your helmet? If it’s replica do you know the manufacturer?
Try world war supply or epic militaria
Фины дружили с Германией, и предоставляли им свою территорию для нападения на СССР с севера на Ленинград.
Это факт.
Сталин предлагал мирно отодвинуть границы в обмен на территоррии СССР.
Естественно нацисты не хотели решать мирным путем.
Сталин решил военным путем и за три месяца разбил финнов. Те капитулировали. Задача была выполнена. Кстати у финнов была фашисткая свастика на танках, только синяя. Они получили по заслугам.
Вопросы?
The Soviets won that war in two-three months dude! And the Finns were Nazis, totally allied and into the whole Bourgeois-Nazi Plan, so please refer to them as such. And to Russian would EVER have such a stupid mustache!
sounds like you are just triggered.
@Andrej Mucic, Bruh Finns weren't nazis, and allying with nazis was the only option to regain lost lands from Soviets. And why did Soviets start that war in the first place? Winter war was tecnically won by soviets, but they didn't manage to conquer Finland. And Finland inflicted much, much more casualties than soviets.
ps The Moustache is very cool!
I read a bitch
@@bpsalami9864 захватить всю Финляндию задачи не стояло, задача была отодвинуть от граници от СССР, от Ленинграда.
Сталин предлагал мирно решить вопрос, но финны не захотели, им немцы советовали не решать мирным путем.
Сталин решил вопрос военным путем за три месяца.
Фины всячески помогали нацистам, и представляли свою территорию как плацдарм для нападения на СССР.
Нападение Германии подтвердило правельность решения Сталина.
Правильно все сделали русские.
Finland was a neutral country until the Soviet aggressors bombed the civilian population in Helsinki, then invaded Finland in November 1939.
Was Poland also a Nazi ally? THAT would explain why the Soviets also invaded Poland (and murdered around 20,000 POWs at Katyn)
The Finn's rightly fought the Soviet invaders, who were violating their territory.....it's almost as if I could find a present day parallel.....