Hareraiser (The Worst Game Ever) - Stuart Ashen - Norwich Gaming Festival 2017

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  • Organised by our Educational Partner, Norwich University of the Arts, Stuart Ashen joined us at the Gaming Festival in 2017 to talk about Hareraiser and explore just why it could well be the worst game ever.

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  • @dylanmaldet6643
    @dylanmaldet6643 Před 2 lety +609

    Thankfully, this story had a happy ending! After the failure of Masquerade, Kit Williams decided to try again and did everything possible to ensure no one could possibly pull a Dugald Thompson. He released a book with no title where the puzzle was to discover the title of the book. The prize(A gold Queen Bee statue and a copy of the book that actually had the title)would go to whoever could figure it out and come up with the most creative(non-verbal)way of sending the title to Williams himself. In the end, Steve Pearce sent in a small decorated handmade cabinet that revealed the title when the handle was turned and walked away with his rightfully won Queen Bee statue and uniquely titled copy of "The Bee On The Comb".

    • @WeirdWonderful
      @WeirdWonderful Před rokem +22

      I kinda wonder how that would have worked, since there are laws and regulations in place, both for copyright as well as other technicalities and rules XD

    • @Vangror
      @Vangror Před 8 měsíci +26

      I guess he also learnt not to bury anything from the previous puzzle because treasure hunters were often trespassing on private property and at times, digging in people's gardens which caused a lot of complaints from angry property owners

    • @notacaulkhead
      @notacaulkhead Před 3 měsíci

      @@WeirdWonderfulI reckon you wonder about a lot of things 🙄

    • @originaluddite
      @originaluddite Před 3 měsíci

      I also feel that the art itself is better in the bee book (as many still call it).

  • @jentzi23
    @jentzi23 Před 7 lety +1553

    It makes me sad that they cheated the physics people.
    The pendant is really beautiful.

    • @mistahsusan2650
      @mistahsusan2650 Před 7 lety +75

      they didn't cheat them, the couple never submitted their answer to the creator, so ...

    • @caolan1083
      @caolan1083 Před 6 lety +82

      It made me sad that they conned Kit too.

    • @MJFallout
      @MJFallout Před 5 lety +80

      Well, arguably the physics people weren't cheated as they had bungled their dig and the submitting of the answer before Mr a.k.a. Thomas even had a chance of getting involved.
      Kit was cheated though, sorry to hear, too.

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA Před 5 lety +54

      It's an interesting result though!.. Not only it proven that someone with insider information would be the winner eventually, we also have the case of people who actually solved the puzzle but decided to keep it to themselves instead of submitting the answer. Tells much more about human nature than a straight win would've.

    • @mitchmitchell928
      @mitchmitchell928 Před 5 lety +35

      I don't think you were required to submit the answer to the writer. But the quest was designed that way so that people around the world could "participate" in the quest. Otherwise the quest would've been too expensive for most people to participate.@@KasumiRINA

  • @Torthrodhel
    @Torthrodhel Před 6 lety +1541

    Hareraiser: £8.95
    Hareraiser Season Pass: £8.95

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen Před 5 lety +12

      Uhhh... what, you think you would just get the second game in the series for free!?

    • @amanbytheway
      @amanbytheway Před 4 lety +74

      Haresoft walked so EA could run

    • @GenerationLex
      @GenerationLex Před 4 lety +8

      @The Jester - Fool Of Hearts nah, the correct price for the DLC would be $59.99

    • @DelphieNEhuntah
      @DelphieNEhuntah Před 4 lety +4

      by EA

    • @SonplaysMinEcraft
      @SonplaysMinEcraft Před 4 lety +10

      first documented pay to win game

  • @Daracdor
    @Daracdor Před 5 lety +155

    Kit Williams did an un named book quest in the 80`s which with puzzles & pictures you
    had to find the title .
    It had a story based around the seasons and the result one season ousting out
    the next .
    The idea of the competition was to find the name of the book & convey it without
    using words .
    My entry got into the finals with many amazing others , I had to go to London to retrieve it .
    The name of the book was " The bee on the comb " so I made a bee hive , a large one which I had to carry on the tube with lots of dubious looks from fellow travellers .

    • @Artoveli
      @Artoveli Před 4 lety +14

      Green Man I love Bee on the Comb! It's so cool that you were one of the people who sent in an entry. By the time I encountered that book the contest was long over. Still a really fun puzzle to work through though!

    • @nswhorse
      @nswhorse Před 4 lety +6

      That is a genuinely cool story. Dirty looks or no, I'm sure it must have been a blast.

    • @originaluddite
      @originaluddite Před 3 měsíci +1

      Just today watched a clip here on CZcams of the finale on Wogan. Entertaining stuff and very creative responses from you and the other best entrants.

  • @FhtagnCthulhu
    @FhtagnCthulhu Před 7 lety +3142

    I did not expect that to be as fascinating as it ended up being.

    • @justin-ht9gy
      @justin-ht9gy Před 6 lety +73

      My thoughts exactly. Fell bad for poor Kit Williams, had a wonderful idea full of passion and some low-life cheat robbed him of a moment.

    • @GlenGlingo9
      @GlenGlingo9 Před 5 lety +18

      I'd like to know what happened to Thompson and Guard, their actions must've led to criminal proceedings.

    • @satan3959
      @satan3959 Před 4 lety +2

      I did, it'd Ashens...he can even make an Al Gore speech look tolerable

    • @creopictures
      @creopictures Před 4 lety +9

      Felt the same. Hell, this could make for the plot of a pretty decent movie.

    • @millenniumf1138
      @millenniumf1138 Před 4 lety +1

      I was as surprised by that as I was that a video about a game which is called "the worst game ever" didn't have a single curse in it.

  • @Jackalblade9
    @Jackalblade9 Před 7 lety +2649

    This was an amazing story.

  • @massivepileup
    @massivepileup Před 7 lety +894

    Some plonker released a game on Steam that was supposedly a really hard puzzle with 16 levels. Nobody ever solved the first level because it's so haaaaaard. Disassembly showed that the game was just one level copy-pasted 16 times and there was no level change logic (or indeed game logic) implemented at all.

    • @LeeONardo
      @LeeONardo Před 7 lety +109

      Is that the certain game that Jim Sterling featured? Sounds extremely similar.

    • @massivepileup
      @massivepileup Před 7 lety +63

      Yeah, he has a video on it. I cannot remember the name though.

    • @davidjames579
      @davidjames579 Před 5 lety +23

      They could be sued over this I'm assuming.

    • @NickolasHunter
      @NickolasHunter Před 5 lety +6

      I'm still trying to find this game you talk about...

    • @weyen1602
      @weyen1602 Před 5 lety +51

      Sounds like "Journey of the Light"

  • @Johanniscool
    @Johanniscool Před 4 lety +180

    Plot twist, the spelling of “puzle” is the first clue

    • @radarsock
      @radarsock Před 4 lety

      Explain more

    • @alphonsetudor8870
      @alphonsetudor8870 Před 4 lety +23

      @@radarsock The first clue to provide thee a glance that the initiator of this Hareraiser programme was an illiterate, dumb-ass, and irresponsible clown.

  • @draconomorphus413
    @draconomorphus413 Před 7 lety +3491

    The game was so bad, he essentially gave a TED talk about it.
    That's how bad it was.

    • @dragonmartijn
      @dragonmartijn Před 5 lety +62

      It was better than a TED talk.

    • @ccaagg
      @ccaagg Před 5 lety +143

      That moment when people don't know what a lecture is anymore and just call them TED talks.

    • @petersage5157
      @petersage5157 Před 5 lety +42

      That moment when people don't know what a colloquium is.

    • @charlesajones77
      @charlesajones77 Před 5 lety +60

      People like TED talks. They do NOT like lectures. Even if the content is exactly the same.

    • @hitmanwolf
      @hitmanwolf Před 5 lety +21

      people like TED Talks cause they are on the INTERNETz, and not in School...z.

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley Před 7 lety +1372

    Glad I viewed this. Stuart is a fine storyteller and I hadn't known the whole story of Masquerade or even heard of Hareraiser before.

    • @hentosama
      @hentosama Před 7 lety +3

      The next Michael Rosenberg D: (you tube video story telling fame)

    • @Karmy.
      @Karmy. Před 6 lety +1

      Oscar Velazquez and YTP fame

    • @ZenPunk
      @ZenPunk Před 6 lety +21

      who would have known the man who throws old food on his couch and plays with bad chinese toys was such a gifted essayist

    • @tiagodarkpeasant
      @tiagodarkpeasant Před 6 lety +8

      the only thing that caught my attention, was the word hareraiser, because i tough it was related to hell raiser

    • @MediaMunkee
      @MediaMunkee Před 4 lety +2

      I had an art/storybook very much like Masquerade, right down to the picture borders with letters, but self-contained and of a complexity that a child could reasonably solve. I don't have it anymore nor any clue what it was called, but it's interesting to know it was probably inspired by this whole mess.

  • @johnclavis
    @johnclavis Před 7 lety +423

    I'm old. I had the book as a child, and later I was able to buy Bamber Gascoigne's book and learned the whole sordid story of Ken Thomas. What a disappointing end to a beautiful story. I'm glad Kit Williams and the pendant are still around!

    • @kos2919
      @kos2919 Před 6 lety +6

      Party Bot If he want to he can make a new book and jewellery and challenges the new generation in another treasure hunt.

    • @caolan1083
      @caolan1083 Před 6 lety +20

      I was actually really sad to hear about Kit getting conned, I hope it all worked out for him.

    • @Problembeing
      @Problembeing Před 4 lety

      Party Bot I had it too, and another book that was a companion guide, which I still have.

    • @softdorothy
      @softdorothy Před 4 lety +4

      @@caolan1083 Yeah, but honestly, he was successfully beyond his imagination. No one saw the success of his book coming when he first conceived of and created it. Millions of people stated and started at his artwork. Call it a win for Kit. A let down for all the puzzle-hunters.

    • @sploofmcsterra4786
      @sploofmcsterra4786 Před 4 lety +1

      @@caolan1083 sad for the physics teachers too

  • @ateszkoma94
    @ateszkoma94 Před 4 lety +60

    "Told you it was awful." Best ending of a presentation!

  • @jman3267
    @jman3267 Před 7 lety +2089

    If you're intimidated by the 38 minute video I still recommend you watch it. There's very little fluff. This dumb game just has that much of an interesting history behind it. And it's not just the usual "Oh no we tried to make a game but we didn't know it would take up so much time/money so we had to put it out unfinished"

    • @natgrant1364
      @natgrant1364 Před 7 lety +109

      Stuart Ashen can do damned near anything for 38 minutes and make it interesting.

    • @KOTYAR0
      @KOTYAR0 Před 7 lety +51

      jman3267 It was 38 minutes? Holy damn, I haven't even noticed

    • @OdaSwifteye
      @OdaSwifteye Před 7 lety +20

      PFT. I've watched the five hour livestream he did! This is child's play!

    • @jordanferries910
      @jordanferries910 Před 7 lety +17

      It's ashens I'd watch 38 mins of him saying Italian music

    • @yesticles
      @yesticles Před 7 lety +26

      I watched it at half speed because the longer Stuart talks, the better.

  • @MuchWhittering
    @MuchWhittering Před 7 lety +904

    That truly was a terrible old game I'd never heard of.

  • @daveweeks4748
    @daveweeks4748 Před 2 lety +26

    Great talk, thanks for uploading. Interestingly, at 9:18 he explains the words 'frog' and 'stone' didn't mean anything, but there is a picture in the book (#3) showing the hare sitting on a flat rock with frog’s eyes. In Ampthill Park, near St. Catherine's cross, there is a stone nicknamed the 'frogstone' for its rounded, lumpy shape (although apparently Kit Williams was unaware of this rock).

    • @LAGGANGGAMING
      @LAGGANGGAMING Před 3 měsíci +2

      Worst talk. The host is so unfunny and boring. My gosh

    • @imallergictobullets
      @imallergictobullets Před 2 měsíci +1

      We’re damn at good at seeing patterns. There’s probably other things you can find that pointed to that area that Williams didn’t intend.

    • @tommsey_ttv
      @tommsey_ttv Před 2 měsíci

      @@LAGGANGGAMING Yeah all that laughter from the audience, ​famously the sound of boredom.

  • @meetoo594
    @meetoo594 Před 7 lety +151

    Heh, I remember how annoyed landowners and councils got due to people trespassing and digging up random bits of land thinking the hare was buried there. Williams got a lot of flak for that iirc.

    • @softdorothy
      @softdorothy Před 4 lety +36

      Yes, Kit had to publicly declare that the treasure was not buried on private property. (Least of all his own property as plenty of treasure hunters descended on his garden.)

    • @ninototo1
      @ninototo1 Před 4 lety +10

      Sounds like the whole pokemon go debacle

    • @KnakuanaRka
      @KnakuanaRka Před rokem +2

      @@ninototo1 My thoughts too. ;3

  • @Agamemnon2
    @Agamemnon2 Před 7 lety +194

    The story of Masquerade was truly fascinating, and what a sad thing that somebody actually got the answer absolutely correct and didn't know it.

  • @VulpesHilarianus
    @VulpesHilarianus Před 6 lety +19

    So when he played the game I just did a stream of thought experiment. "The grass is like a carpet" means some place with open space, like the English countryside. Or perhaps a large garden. "The sun shines up" is some place that has a reflection, like water. "The count has begun" either means some place that has competitions, like a marathon, or some place with a visible clock tower, like a town square. "Help is here" refers to a military saying, like a cavalry charge. "Search from coast to coast" means it's inland, nowhere near the sea, meaning "The sun shines up" refers to a river or lake. So I came up with on or around the grounds of Castle Ashby, because it's centermost in the country, has all those things listed, and is pretentious enough to work for a guy who just won a golden pendant making a video puzzle.

    • @DarkKingBowser
      @DarkKingBowser Před 6 lety +6

      Very interesting evaluation!

    • @alonecoder600
      @alonecoder600 Před 4 lety

      Bravo! I suppose you will be the one who solves "I, pet goat II" :)

  • @johnhodgetts6617
    @johnhodgetts6617 Před 4 lety +48

    I wonder if that "Ken Thomas" guy got the computer game idea from "Pimania", released in 1982 (the year he got his hands on the golden hare.) Pimania was eventually solved and in 1985 its very genuine prize of the "Golden Sundial of Pi" was won, but not before many had accused Pimania of being an unsolvable scam. So did he think "so all you need to do is make a scam game and people will believe it"?

    • @jeremyadkins9665
      @jeremyadkins9665 Před rokem

      Interesting, that could be plausible, given the popularity of those kind of games, at the time.

  • @eartianwerewolf
    @eartianwerewolf Před 7 lety +484

    I read 'Hareraiser' and thought it was a parody of the Hellraiser series with rabbits. Ah well.

    •  Před 5 lety +48

      That would have been a better game.

    • @HaydenX
      @HaydenX Před 5 lety +18

      Lagobites?

    • @sigmacademy
      @sigmacademy Před 4 lety +3

      Do you really want the SPCA to have a NERVOUS BREAKDOWN/PSYCHOTIC BREAK? :P

    • @GmodPlusWoW
      @GmodPlusWoW Před 4 lety +10

      Yeah, my first thought was that it was some sort of sidescrolling beat-em-up where you played a rabbit and simply could not control it, coupled with one-hit deaths and things you couldn't possibly react to. A bit like Oriental Hero if you remember the Terrible Old Games video series.

    • @jessecatrainham6957
      @jessecatrainham6957 Před 4 lety +4

      No, that would be Watership Down for the Atari 2600 XD

  • @Obstreperous_Octopus
    @Obstreperous_Octopus Před 5 lety +543

    Me, 36 minutes ago: "Worst Game Ever" are strong words. I mean, that's a very low bar to slide under.
    Me, just now: I am sorry I doubted you.

    • @sidarthur8706
      @sidarthur8706 Před 4 lety +16

      imagining the thought processes of the creators puts me in a dark frame of mind

    • @BknMoonStudios
      @BknMoonStudios Před 4 lety +6

      @@sidarthur8706 At the very least it's not as evil as the guys who sold radioactive water, claiming it had healing properties, and gave cancer to many innocent people.

    • @sigma6656
      @sigma6656 Před 4 lety

      @@BknMoonStudios
      Sure, but who the hell buys radioactive water expecting good things?

    • @BknMoonStudios
      @BknMoonStudios Před 4 lety +8

      @@sigma6656 People who didn't have access to public education and lived in the middle of last century?

    • @sigma6656
      @sigma6656 Před 4 lety +4

      @@BknMoonStudios
      Ahh right,
      "Eben Byers, a wealthy American socialite, athlete, industrialist and Yale College graduate, died from Radithor radium poisoning in 1932.[5] Byers was buried in a lead-lined coffin; when exhumed in 1965 for study, his remains were still highly radioactive."
      No access to public education certainly was the problem.

  • @kalaherty
    @kalaherty Před 6 lety +230

    I'm happy the crowd guessed Jimmy Savile because when the question was asked, I immediately thought "Oh god... I really hope it wasn't Jimmy Savile".

    • @nicholasrowley947
      @nicholasrowley947 Před 5 lety +1

      Same.

    • @StickySauce101
      @StickySauce101 Před 5 lety +7

      @@lawrencecalablaster568 he's basically Britain's Satan figure due to what he did

    • @dingo137
      @dingo137 Před 5 lety +10

      Lawrence Calablaster "Beloved" is overstating it - I don't know anyone who really liked him even before all the sex abuse stuff came out.

    • @KarlHamilton
      @KarlHamilton Před 5 lety

      I thought the same lol

    • @newperve
      @newperve Před 4 lety +1

      Same, was so relieved it wasn't.

  • @jesusfrancisco4694
    @jesusfrancisco4694 Před 7 lety +87

    19:37
    "Now there's a feature on a laptop called mute..."
    Initial (speedy) thoughts: Oh wow! Was the title music purpously annoying in order to have solvers mute their TV? Then through some form of detection, would act as yet another herring, or actually act as an obscure clue (as the book was famous for)?
    "...It is a good feature."
    God damn it I love your commentary Stuart.

    • @majorfallacy5926
      @majorfallacy5926 Před 4 lety +2

      There is a pretty decent adventure game where you have to mute the game music to solve a puzzle. I accidentally skipped it because i was annoyed by the music and turned it off right at the start. That was very confusing

  • @jackkraken3888
    @jackkraken3888 Před 7 lety +53

    I wonder if the Voynich manuscript was some shady person saying," Hey buy this book and if you solve it you win big! Like the secrets to the Universe Big."

    • @lhaviland8602
      @lhaviland8602 Před 5 lety +10

      I honestly think this is one of the best explanations so far.

    • @paulbrozyna3006
      @paulbrozyna3006 Před 4 lety +6

      It’s an RPG sourcebook.

  • @ChakatSandwalker
    @ChakatSandwalker Před 7 lety +88

    Many years ago (when I was a child, I think), while I was going through a box of books that I think someone was throwing out, I found a softcover version of 'Masquerade'. I still have it on my shelf. I had no clue that there was a 'sequel' of sorts in the form of a computer game until now. A fascinating presentation as always.

    • @kos2919
      @kos2919 Před 6 lety +5

      ChakatSandwalker well it's not really a sequel just a cash in attempt by different person who owned the jewellery

    • @billhalt8811
      @billhalt8811 Před 4 lety +1

      You didn't know if you were a child. I.q. check.

    • @LordChesalot
      @LordChesalot Před rokem +1

      there was a book sequel that was untitled with the goal to guess the titile which was the bee on the comb

  • @HolyKhaaaaan
    @HolyKhaaaaan Před 2 lety +80

    Not merely the most technically incompetent. Not merely the most overhyped. Definitely the most evil, with the most evil backstory, and the most evil reason for existing as far as we know.
    Brilliant story of, in the deepest sense, the worst game.

  • @gilgammesh1
    @gilgammesh1 Před 7 lety +258

    An excellent story. No really, this was fascinating.

    • @JohnnnyGash
      @JohnnnyGash Před 7 lety +22

      Chef Excellence
      Stay fresh, cheese bags!

    • @Brandonv1103
      @Brandonv1103 Před 5 lety +6

      An excellent presentation

  • @WellWoopdidoo
    @WellWoopdidoo Před 7 lety +36

    I wouldn't have clicked on this if I hadn't seen that he was holding a copy of Masquerade. I was born in the 90s but I spent hours and hours on that book.

  • @MuchWhittering
    @MuchWhittering Před 7 lety +115

    "I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there." - The 8th Doctor

    • @0LoneTech
      @0LoneTech Před 7 lety +12

      Sometimes it's the patterns that aren't there, rather than the things.

    • @SimmyBassline
      @SimmyBassline Před 7 lety +6

      Most of the time it is a load of old bollocks

    • @AshlandLives
      @AshlandLives Před 7 lety

      Same quote rang in my head.

    • @StilvurBee
      @StilvurBee Před 4 lety +2

      @@0LoneTech um
      i think that's what they meant

  • @Ryusuta
    @Ryusuta Před 7 lety +502

    What amazes me about Ashens is that some people are good at either commentary, acting, or presentation. Ashens does ALL of them easily and naturally. It's seriously a rare gift to do all of those three VERY different things well.

    • @byebye7277
      @byebye7277 Před 7 lety +16

      "Naturally", it's not like he has been doing this for 10+ years

    • @emarskineel
      @emarskineel Před 7 lety +39

      ByeBye to be fair, his very first video is delivered with the same level of skill as this.

    • @winnetouch
      @winnetouch Před 7 lety +17

      commentary, acting and presentation aren't really that different things. You have to be articulate and composed for all of those things. If you are a great actor you are also probably at least a good presenter.

    • @Ryusuta
      @Ryusuta Před 7 lety +20

      There are some skills that overlap and some people with the ability to do both, but saying acting is like... say... news casting is like saying a good football player can be a good basketball player because they both require you to run. Yes, it's possible for a person to be good at both and some of the skills in one activity can be used in the other, but there's a lot more to each individual activity.

    • @AbandonedVoid
      @AbandonedVoid Před 6 lety +13

      He actually wasn't that great of a presenter. He was kind of stiff and hidden behind the podium, and didn't look the audience in the eye that much, and constantly forgot he had put things into his presentation. His story didn't have enough emotion behind it, although I'll admit it was certainly oddly gripping. There's certainly room for improvement.

  • @user-yo8ee8mh9q
    @user-yo8ee8mh9q Před 3 lety +26

    Hareraiser is completely solvable.
    The first part of the game is a map of the Harrods department store, a hint about this was given in one of the game magazines, when the TV presenter went there from the program about this kind of games and treasure hunt.
    But the second part could be "passed" only for the BBC micro platform - it was there that there were "rooms" with the name of the owner of Haresoft (before that he was anonymous) and the digital code that was needed to receive the prize.
    the hare was in Harrods Bank, used as collateral for opening Haresoft.
    if someone knows how to look at game resources, he will also find this code in all versions of the game. but the ad and articles were hinted at "for the whole family" and it was emphasized that "can be used on the school computer" and "we did two parts so that people of any age could win".
    there are clouds - lamps, trees - stairs, spiders descending on a cobweb - elevators, descriptions below, for example, an indication of bright stars - a description of the ceiling, etc.
    This is best seen in a room with an escalator.
    I spent 3 days on the solution. sorry for mistakes, i don't know english.

    • @jeremyadkins9665
      @jeremyadkins9665 Před rokem +2

      That's kinda interesting, if true; it explains the obscure "clue" mentioned and the splitting of the game into two.

    • @GBAura
      @GBAura Před rokem +2

      So basically the solution was to find where the company Haresoft is located and the name of the founder, who is the one who conned Kit Williams?
      Wow, that just makes the entire thing even more stupid. That aside, thanks for putting this all together. It does explain a few oddities in the game.

  • @digipack
    @digipack Před 7 lety +46

    When I was a kid in the late 90s I had a CD-ROM game called Treasure Quest which had a $1m prize behind it. It seems to be a much better game than Hareraiser, but it was apparently plagued with errors, and the end prize is also steeped in much mystery.

  • @sandwich2473
    @sandwich2473 Před 7 lety +307

    Oh gosh darn. Those poor teachers.
    Gee wiz.

    • @BebopBun
      @BebopBun Před 4 lety +15

      Words of wisdom from a sandwich

    • @ACanOfBakedBeans
      @ACanOfBakedBeans Před 4 lety +2

      My wife made one of those for me yesterday.... Just like a woman should

    • @sploofmcsterra4786
      @sploofmcsterra4786 Před 4 lety +8

      @@ACanOfBakedBeans so edgy

    • @DrGandW
      @DrGandW Před 4 lety +7

      @@ACanOfBakedBeans That was so unfunny I had to comment on it.

    • @satan3959
      @satan3959 Před 4 lety +1

      The Gay Frog Society
      Oh great, an edgelord

  • @thedarkergerkin
    @thedarkergerkin Před 7 lety +161

    That was so much more entertaining than I thought it would be.

  • @Re-vant
    @Re-vant Před 7 lety +171

    In order to make through this I had to close my eyes and picture hands over a brown sofa.

  • @butcherboy2008
    @butcherboy2008 Před 7 lety +125

    If it were indeed Jimmy Savile, then perhaps a child of 10 could have had as much success as an Oxford don.

  • @Axilur
    @Axilur Před 7 lety +816

    Stuart is the epitome of all that is great with the world of today.

  • @dylanmaldet6643
    @dylanmaldet6643 Před rokem +5

    The reason the physics teachers missed the box was because Kit Williams' calculations were slightly off(he admitted as much later). He didn't realize this at the time because he and Bamber Gascoigne buried the casket at night.

  • @voldlifilm
    @voldlifilm Před 4 lety +17

    I kinda want my epitaph to be "told you it was awful".

  • @richardtickler8555
    @richardtickler8555 Před 7 lety +899

    haresoft is now called EA

    • @lordevyl8317
      @lordevyl8317 Před 6 lety +37

      Nah, they are called Konami
      EA was actually a pretty good company in the 80s, the just started to go downhill when they became a huge corporation the in late 90s

    • @davidturbo8566
      @davidturbo8566 Před 6 lety

      Hilarious

    • @AquaFan1998
      @AquaFan1998 Před 6 lety

      Richard Tickler promicing shit but never delivering

    • @junglezone7323
      @junglezone7323 Před 6 lety +8

      I Identify As A Commodore 64 Since I'm An Old Fart bro konami didnt start going downhill till mid to late 2000s, so EA is worse

    • @culwin
      @culwin Před 6 lety +12

      Konami was also a good company once.

  • @CallyGem
    @CallyGem Před 7 lety +60

    That was fantastic. I'm so happy you posted this, Dr Ashen is one of the best CZcamsrs around and the story/ies of the golden hare fascinate me.

  • @MicrowavedChicken454
    @MicrowavedChicken454 Před 7 lety +240

    I was there! I got my book and DVD signed by him, easily one of the best parts of the year for me

    • @vnutri710
      @vnutri710 Před 6 lety +17

      Sam 454 I'm not the jealous type. I've never been jealous of someone for anything, if it makes them happy, even if I want it, that's more valuable then what I want. But that you got a signed book and dvd and got to sit and watch his glorious face live? I will kidnap you, take that DVD and book, and create a machine that allows me to implant memories of other people into me. Watch. Your. Back.

    • @kanedamikami7771
      @kanedamikami7771 Před 6 lety +5

      Vnutri you could get yourself brainwashed and they could implant false memories but the only thing we need is a trigger

    • @michaelslevin2764
      @michaelslevin2764 Před 6 lety +2

      'Hello!'

    • @leftpastsaturn67
      @leftpastsaturn67 Před 4 lety +1

      @Richard Kelbe Ironic much? :D

  • @exidy-yt
    @exidy-yt Před 7 lety +29

    Wow, I had no intention of sitting through 40 mins of talking about an 8-bit puzzle game but this was an absolutely fascinating story i'd never heard about before, admittedly I'd grown old enough to get into computer gaming a couple of years after this debacle, but either way amazing story and now I am off to Ebay to find a copy of the Masqurade book. ;-)

  • @rho-starmkl4483
    @rho-starmkl4483 Před 6 lety +16

    "You Are My Sunshine"
    No, you are NOT.

  • @BentheBassPhish
    @BentheBassPhish Před 7 lety +13

    I was so disappointed I missed this! For some reason, I couldn't find out when the talk was happening! Thanks for uploading!

  • @otaking3582
    @otaking3582 Před 4 lety +9

    The game is called "Hareraiser" and it's about solving an elaborate puzzle?
    *Easter Bunny:* "We have such sights to show you"

  • @TheGlitched64Reads2
    @TheGlitched64Reads2 Před 6 lety +20

    I've watched this 5 times now. Still just as entertaining.

  • @danielpreciado3112
    @danielpreciado3112 Před 7 lety +111

    If anyone out there feels cheated and conned for having been talked into buying games like No Man's Sky, find peace in knowing, at least you didn't buy Hareraiser.

    • @roundishwhale
      @roundishwhale Před 5 lety +20

      and hell, No Mans Skys developer even try there best now to make up for their wrongdoing be adding the game they promised part after part :D
      Really shows the difference in personality behind these two...questionable events.

    • @richardpike8748
      @richardpike8748 Před 5 lety +8

      Also at least the No Man's Sky dev has improved the game post-release as well.

    • @thecamelchannel1467
      @thecamelchannel1467 Před 4 lety +6

      @@richardpike8748 Yeah No Man's Sky is now good lol

    • @blatherskite3009
      @blatherskite3009 Před 4 lety +4

      Yep, the devs have continued to work on No Man's Sky for years since release, all updates free, and it's now everything that was expected at launch and then some. All you can really say against it now is that back in 2016 people were effectively sold an Early Access game as if it was a finished game. All's well that ends well!

    • @voidling2632
      @voidling2632 Před 4 lety +3

      NMS team aren't scammer at least, they are just bad at time management and organisation

  • @someguy7582
    @someguy7582 Před 7 lety +185

    So Hareraiser is the British home computer version of SwordQuest?

    • @5roundsrapid263
      @5roundsrapid263 Před 7 lety +20

      Some Guy I was thinking that too. There were also several videotape treasure hunts in the '80s, too.

    • @magnatcleo2043
      @magnatcleo2043 Před 7 lety +80

      Though at least Swordquest actually had an actual puzzle to solve, it just died out before the last games could come out.

    • @Sh0tgunJust1ce
      @Sh0tgunJust1ce Před 6 lety +47

      Swordquest wasn't a scam though.

    • @lordevyl8317
      @lordevyl8317 Před 6 lety +24

      Swordfest was a horrible game, not a scam. I would say the British home computer version of SwordQuest is probably the ZX Spectrum game Squij (originally a C64 game, but the Spectrum version was FAR worse) BTW, I'm not defending the C64 version either, because that was horrible, but when compared to the Speccy version (No, I'm not dissing the speccy as a whole, in fact I quite like the ZX Spectrum) It's fucking Donkey Kong.

    • @satan3959
      @satan3959 Před 4 lety +3

      Sword Quest sucked, but I still say that Firefly is hands down the WORST game on the 2600/VCS

  • @GlenGlingo9
    @GlenGlingo9 Před 5 lety +25

    The cover of Masquerade wouldn't look out of place on a progressive-rock album.

  • @HurricaneSA
    @HurricaneSA Před 4 lety +11

    CZcams kept recommending this so I finally gave in and started watching it. I was expecting to just watch a minute or two to see what it was about and ended up watching the whole thing. Quite the plot twist there at the end!

  • @wardrich
    @wardrich Před 2 lety +3

    Legit thought I was hearing that guy's name wrong this whole time, but nope... It actually is "Bamber Gascoigne".
    He died earlier this year :( RIP

  • @spunkyspaz
    @spunkyspaz Před 4 lety +19

    This reminds me of the SwordQuest games for the Atari 2600 in that there was real treasure to be had.
    That did not end well either though, except for 2 people who won 2 of the 5 treasures.

    • @BReal-10EC
      @BReal-10EC Před 4 lety +1

      I thought they never released the final Airworld game?

  • @SaintCharlos
    @SaintCharlos Před 6 lety +9

    _The British version of SwordQuest, ladies and gentleman._

  • @hyphz
    @hyphz Před 4 měsíci +2

    I seem to recall someone claimed they had found a solution to Hareraiser, which was that the forest is a symbolic map of Harrods, and that the hare was in a safe deposit box there. This would make a lot of sense, as they couldn't just leave it lying around unburied, and would also mean that the Anneka Rice clue was just the fact she was there. But there's no way to check.

  • @ceon4499
    @ceon4499 Před 7 lety +7

    He's so good at talking and keeping your attention! His humor is refreshing as well.

  • @coppliable
    @coppliable Před 7 lety +7

    Very glad this is here, still kicking my self that i missed your talk. 10/10 i think you should become a university lecturer ashens.

  • @dennett316
    @dennett316 Před 7 lety +57

    Oh, the shady conning gits! Took a really great idea and completely shat on it. That was great, hugely interesting story.
    Incidentally, the image of the swimming lady looks to me a fair bit like Carol Vorderman...or possibly Louise Redknapp.

    • @bubbadoo10
      @bubbadoo10 Před 6 lety +1

      I feel bad for those teachers being the only ones to solve the puzzle, and being just so close to solving it. Also the artist that did this finding out that the people cheated his puzzle he spent who knows how long working on and using it to make a cheap digital rip-off lacking any soul of the original piece. If I was the artist, I would have sued for the blatant profiting off of the original work.

  • @yokab
    @yokab Před 7 lety +4

    Stewart is so well spoken and this is one of the most underrated videos online right now

  • @fireballninja01
    @fireballninja01 Před 4 lety +5

    I wanted to cry when you delved into the bad luck of the physics teachers, they, Kit, and Bamber deserved more

  • @nobetternickname
    @nobetternickname Před 7 lety +20

    I remember my parents had 'Masquerade' when I was really, really young. As a 3 or 4 year old I spent quite a lot of time looking for the hare that was hidden in each of the pictures in the book. The 'Where's Wally?' of its day :)

    • @SenshiSunPower
      @SenshiSunPower Před 7 lety +1

      nobetternickname Me too! My copy came with a companion booklet that explained the answer.

  • @zurih-r7583
    @zurih-r7583 Před 4 lety +12

    OKAY CZcams. I WATCHED IT, OKAY?! And tbh I wasn't disappointed. It's a great story!

    • @sneakysnake7695
      @sneakysnake7695 Před 4 lety +1

      This comment needs more recognition, it sums up my reaction to CZcams's recommendations

  • @BBalloon
    @BBalloon Před 4 lety +4

    10:00 The red letters FROG show the frog also pointing to four of the letters with his limbs.. Incredible book.

  • @shimmygirl1564
    @shimmygirl1564 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I had this book as a little kid in the 70/80s and I was so obsessed with solving the puzzle! The illustrations were so incredibly beautiful that the whole book was just magic to me. How sad that Kit was conned like this. 😢

  • @retro6442
    @retro6442 Před 4 lety +5

    2 years later this brilliant video turns up on my recommendation 👍 thanks CZcams 🤔

  • @dcflake5645
    @dcflake5645 Před 7 lety +33

    This story was brilliant. I still don't believe that this was a game or a puzzle just a scam. I don't know if that counts as the worst game ever.

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing Před 7 lety +5

      it is, at least a better story than something like Alien Kill, which is just rubbish.

    • @djoakeydoakey1076
      @djoakeydoakey1076 Před 6 lety

      ET might be worse, it has it's own landfill......seriously.

  • @elwoodjacobs4353
    @elwoodjacobs4353 Před 2 lety +2

    I wonder if Kit Williams moonlighted as the Riddler in his spare time with how complex the puzzle is.

  • @abortedlord
    @abortedlord Před 5 lety +1

    What a wonderful presentation, I'll be watching more of your videos for sure.

  • @General-RADIX
    @General-RADIX Před 3 lety +15

    Rewatching this for like the hundredth time, something occurred to me: did anyone try giving these charlatans the answer of "the Hare is still with the head of the company who didn't bury it anywhere"?

  • @rowan5891
    @rowan5891 Před 4 měsíci +3

    At this point this video is like a comfort watch for me, I end up thinking about this whole Masquerade Hareraiser situation a lot

  • @danforbes3573
    @danforbes3573 Před 7 lety +13

    Ashens talks on gaming is as interesting as Tim's talks on toys. Wonderful stuff!

  • @ikmnification5737
    @ikmnification5737 Před 7 lety +43

    Some University should pick Stewart up to be a lecturer for history of games.

  • @coyoteartist
    @coyoteartist Před 7 lety +13

    I'd seen a picture of the Golden Hare somewhere online, perhaps to do with it being on display, but I knew nothing more. It is a shame two things so beautiful as the Hare and the book should have been dragged down by that age old enemy, stupid humans.

  • @whiteninjapickleboyz
    @whiteninjapickleboyz Před 7 lety +72

    Ashens can litteraly talk about shit on the ground and I'd be absolutely mesmerized

  • @heatchills4093
    @heatchills4093 Před 3 lety +2

    This guy is a really talented public speaker. I mean let's face it, the subject matter shouldn't really be that interesting - a crappy old Com64-era game... but he manages to turn it into a really captivating seminar. That takes serious talent.

  • @jetfire851
    @jetfire851 Před 7 lety +43

    To be fair to the audience, I also would've guessed Jimmy Saville as the celebrity.

    • @aoifebakunin1966
      @aoifebakunin1966 Před 7 lety

      Doug Glassman same here

    • @bombtwenty3867
      @bombtwenty3867 Před 6 lety +2

      If that was the case, Uncle Jimmy would've dug it up himself, for Charidee of course

    • @zootsanchez
      @zootsanchez Před 6 lety +8

      Uncle Jimmy would have been more interested in digging in the churchyard next door

  • @ikeyasector
    @ikeyasector Před 4 lety +13

    Ashen has a talent for speaking in public like this and holding people's interest. I enjoyed this very much.

  • @leons.kennedy2747
    @leons.kennedy2747 Před 7 lety +43

    Hareraiser is supposed to be solved by the hints at the bottom of the screen giving directions. "The Grass is Like a Carpet" means "Down/South", (Carpet is on the floor) "The Sun Shines Up" means "Up/North", (obviously) "The Count Has Begun" means "Up/North" (Hands on a clock start at 12, pointing up) etc, etc.
    Gimme my £30,000.

    • @linkrulezall
      @linkrulezall Před 6 lety +16

      Except there's no actual end goal to any of the screens, all you end up on is different tree pictures with different clues. And how do you explain the blatant platitudes like "The Hare Is Golden" and "Shall You Find It" or the absolute word salad of Finale such as "From Then President Hill Must Cure"?

    • @leons.kennedy2747
      @leons.kennedy2747 Před 6 lety +13

      "From Then President Hill Must Cure"? predicted Donald Trump, duh. This game was ahead of its time.

    • @thatguywhoreadsshit1507
      @thatguywhoreadsshit1507 Před 6 lety

      The Hare is Golden could mean the sun so up/north and shall you find it could refer to the fact that it was originally buried so down/south

    • @thatguywhoreadsshit1507
      @thatguywhoreadsshit1507 Před 6 lety +1

      President Hill could mean Mount Rushmore/Black hills which are in south Dakota so south/down

    • @promontorium
      @promontorium Před 6 lety +2

      Bruno Platter And what the fuck does a series of up/down , north/south clues lead to? You've solved nothing. You think you're going to mail in ⬆⬆⬇⬆⬇⬇⬆ and they'd send you back the amulet?

  • @Poormangamer
    @Poormangamer Před 6 lety

    When I was a kid, my mom had a stack of old Smithsonian Magazines and the Golden Hare contest was mentioned in one and I always remembered it (and a riddle about love that apparently had nothing to do with the answer) and wondered what happened with the contest. The story was far more interesting than I could have imagined. Thanks for solving that mystery for me!

  • @advancetotabletop5328
    @advancetotabletop5328 Před 7 lety

    Fantastic discussion about the book! You need to do more of these.

  • @hannahatkins636
    @hannahatkins636 Před 7 lety +10

    I actually went to this talk and I was a few minutes late. I genuinely wondered how much I'd missed but turns out that you can hear me come in at 1:21. Anyway, if you haven't watched it yet, I'd thoroughly recommend it.

    • @billhalt8811
      @billhalt8811 Před 4 lety +1

      Don't lie. That was me you fraud.

    • @gui18bif
      @gui18bif Před 4 lety +1

      @@billhalt8811 h a l t

  • @thecinematicmind
    @thecinematicmind Před 2 lety +3

    Rest in Peace
    Bamber Gascoigne
    1935-2022
    💎📺📚

  • @elmono6299
    @elmono6299 Před 3 lety +14

    Video game historians: "E.T for the Atari 2600 and Superman 64 are the worst!"
    Hareraiser: "Allow us introduce ourselves!"

  • @macofalltrades6396
    @macofalltrades6396 Před 2 lety +3

    RIP Bamber Gascoigne 1935-2022.

  • @kabobawsome
    @kabobawsome Před 6 lety +27

    The difficulty of the puzzle really speaks to Kit's intelligence. Too bad the person who solved it basically cheated then scammed several people using his winnings.

  • @liam6345
    @liam6345 Před 6 lety +8

    I actually thought this was going to be just a simple rant and/or small discussion with the audience about bad graphics, sloppy collision, an attempt at implementing curves etc... But damn Stuart did his research! Very informative, detailed and constructed very, very well. Great video, even my friends are impressed and they're a bunch of pompous arse holes... 10/10 from me!

  • @zackaronie.b.2709
    @zackaronie.b.2709 Před 7 lety +5

    I swear if Ashens was one of my University professors i wouldnt mind lectures so much

  • @GODOFGUITAR2112
    @GODOFGUITAR2112 Před 7 lety +3

    I love these "Terrible Old Games" live presentations. So entertaining.

  • @childishbeat
    @childishbeat Před 7 lety +72

    I was at Ashen's Hareraiser talk at Norwich Gaming Festival 2017.

  • @jcdenton9764
    @jcdenton9764 Před 7 lety +381

    Hey look!
    It's Simon Pegg!

  • @sillysparky38010
    @sillysparky38010 Před 7 lety +1

    This was way more interesting than I thought it would be! Thank you for the story, Ashens!

  • @Vaultboy101
    @Vaultboy101 Před 4 lety +2

    Holy crap my family had this book back when I was a kid in the 80's. I was quite fascinated with it and it kinda freaked me out, like a Dali surrealist painting.

  • @Llethander
    @Llethander Před 4 lety +4

    Oh holy crap, I didn't even realize when I clicked the link. I only realized when he started talking that this is Ashens. The same Ashens that I've been watching tell me about random tat for years. xD
    Awesome.

  • @captainboing
    @captainboing Před 4 lety +6

    I loved it. Yours sincerely, Mrs. Widdowson.

  • @RichHeart89
    @RichHeart89 Před 4 lety +4

    I had pirated versions of the games as a kid in about -95 and I spent countless hours trying to play a game that I thought was just broken. Trying to find a meaning for it's existence. But it never occured to me that it was supposed to be a puzzle. Good times 👌

  • @TheBrianJ
    @TheBrianJ Před 6 lety

    Thank you so much for putting this up, and of course, thank you Stuart Ashen for doing the talk. I had never heard of this game before I watched this, I had no idea it had such a crazy backstory and history behind it.

  • @Nasuth
    @Nasuth Před rokem +5

    I come back to these every now and then just because they're so fun.

  • @aatheus
    @aatheus Před 7 lety +20

    Wonderful narrative on what was not so much a game, but more of a mass of beeping confusion. What an amazing bit of scamming on the part of Haresoft,

  • @Diskhate
    @Diskhate Před 6 lety +2

    Clicked on this just to check out roughly what it was about..ended up watching it 2 times in a row in it's entirety.
    Such a fascinating story, seriously.

  • @Parsean666
    @Parsean666 Před 6 lety

    Very nice little presentation, well done!