History of the Mangalorean Christian Community
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- The webinars on History of Mangalorean Christian Community is intended to throw light on the history of the Christian community in Mangalore that is not well known, even among its own constituents. It is a history of uprooting, values, hard work, and incredible sacrifices from ancestors that parents, peers, and children know very little about today.
I am glad Michael Lobo says that we are one Unit. Proud to be a Mangalorean even though I was born in Mumbai, not much connection with Mangalore and now settled in Australia. My children are not aware of our history. Lets move forward as one Unit, a progressive community above petty divisions like caste, language, etc. Instead of reading too much in a complex history. Can the respected intellectual panelist of our community give a vision for our generations to come.
Thank you Sir, sharing such wonderful History of us, GSB Konkani Speaking Catholics
Very interesting and thought provoking discussion from our esteemed panelists. Looking forward to more content on this topic.
Thank you for this informative webinar! Its so great to find a community interested in exploring our collective history, and making that info easily accessible to all of us. Much appreciated!
I was thrilled to know our history about Konkani. And would like to know more in the near future. Thank You for taking the interest to find the genealogy.
Thank you all for putting this webinar together and contributions by the participants. I look forward for more similar discussions.
A very informative discussion and gave a very good insight into the history of Mangalorean Christians. I was hoping to find more such discussions on your channel but was disappointed not find any. Please do have more of such discussion videos. Thank you.
Need More Such Discussion to know Our Roots.
Thank you
Would like to know more about the community....try to conduct such webinars....very informative.👌
Dr Lobo salute to your study on genealogy.
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Thanks for this wonderful info
Thank you for providing this knowledge. I have always wanted to know more about our history. Please do let me know when the information you all have compiled is publicly available, and do also let me know if there is anyway I can help out.
We are acutely came from Kashmir valley. Those valleys were Panch gude valleys. So we were pancha gauda saraswati brahmins. Because of severe drought in these valleys as there were earthquakes the river tributaries died out and we moved south looking for greener pastures. And there were tribal fights and we moved in different directions. We Manglorean Catholics were konkanas converted by Spanish and Portuguese. Those days All Konkanas used to have many wives. It was very common. The favourite wife used to inherit the husbands belongings rest were left out. The missionaries gave shelter and gave education etc. So here we are. This was told to me by Father Mascheranas from jeppo asharam in 1980s. And strongly believe this we manglorean konkanas harboured by missionaries early 15 or 16th century.
Please dont get offended of this because there were pandavas one wife for many brothers same way it was very common to have many wives in olden days. See in bible king Solomon. But we can clarify this wit Real Konkanas they know better.
Thanks for listening .
You nailed it 🎉
I loved the video. I hope to see more videos on the topic.
With regard to Vijay's question on different accent b/w GSBs and Catholics: I assume it is due to the different region in Goa for which we belong to. GSBs are basically from South Goa and Mangalorean Catholics are from North. Same like how Kannada is being spoken in different accent in South and North Karnataka. Also, due to slight influence of Portuguese Language.
Please do Program in Konkani
Deo Gratias
Nice, what is futre of manglorean Catholic community.many families migrated from manglore and melted with other cultures
Good Discussion. But, Alan's thoughts seems like highly influenced by west, which throws lot of questions.
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I found Maxwell quite honest and assertive and Allan's view found somewhat bias and concealing the facts.
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May I ask... where did St Thomas the Apostle land first in the Sub-Continent ?
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The word HINDU .... was in use by the British
According to oral history somewhere in Kerala .
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In Kodungallur, Kerala 😎😎😎
Can you tell me who were Nayate's in Goa?
51:52 isnt mangalore native tulu. Kannada is a minority in dakshina kannada. Ironic.
By n large hindus civilization believe in karma n Dharma
There are a lot of fundemental problems of this traditional upper caste "persecution" narrative. All mangalore Catholics are not bamons, there are charodis, sudirs, renders, and gowdis as well, the converts by the Jesuits in the late 19th/early 20th century from South Kanara itself from dalits, Koragas and other oppressed castes. Mangalore Catholics were mostly a peasant class/caste population right till the middle of the 20th century. Upper castes hindu brahmins and bunts in south kanara functioned as oppressor castes against all non-elite Catholics especially in feudalistic context, which makes brahminical narrative by current middle class and elites in the community problematic and absurd. Christian tenants were not allowed to sit in front of bunt landlords as noted by the lived experience of Fr Mark Walder till the 1960s. It's hilarious that the community has brahminical claims.
Alan Machado himself now rejects the Saraswat narrative. A sizeable section of south indian population have ANI ancestry including BC castes like Ezhavas, Yadavs and makes no sense to make that claim (which was basically a GSB myth invention). GSB identity itself emerged around the 19th century, and were practically a trading caste. Not to mention other castes which converted to catholicism. All populations and various castes have origins/ancestors from the North West of the subcontinent, where supposedly the mythical Saraswati is located, so by that logic all Indian people are "saraswats"!
The initial goans migrated for reasons of mainly of famines and wars. The Inquisition itself was limited in its scope and mostly targeted jews and the new Christians but the scope of the punishments was what could be considered a judicial system based on religion which was the norm at the time and not very different from panchayats. This has been looked into by Alan Machado himself in his latest book on examining primary sources. Even the Tipu persecution is used to spread islamophobia in the community, which was primarily a political question at the time. Being a monarch, Tipu persecuted or allied with groups who allied with him, including giving patronage to temples (even Aurangzeb did this) as monarchs through the ages have done.
Instead of rooting the identity in peasant/working class/caste ethos as established by research of scholars like Vishanz Pinto, Vinay Rajat, the pushing of the elitist brahminical narrative is an attempt of sanskritization by current social elites of the community.
Gouda in GSB means the followers of RIshi Goudapadacharya.
Ave Christus Rex.
Ave Maria.
Please call by Chhatrapati Shivaji and Chhatrapati Sambhaji. Marathas had not invaded, on the contrary Portuguese came to our land and started forceful conversion. Chhatrapati Shivaji killed Jesuits for this Portuguese Notification on forceful hindu conversion. Don't distort the history.
We are basically GSB . Period.