@@davedaniels5874 russ is my favorite player ever (its been a rough year with him taking unnecessary shots every 2 YT vids i watch) but i AGREE RUSS BETTER
@@alexismaldonado9707 I dont know man. At that point it was Curry at 1 and Westbrook at 2. Also Curry was in a superteam and people was looking for excuses to dog him. John Wall was all nba, Ben Simmons was all rookie. Thats all Im gonna say
I sometimes agree too besides the Kd debate. Kawhi was the best player in the playoffs in 2019 but Kd was injured for most of it. When he did come back he fucked the raptors up for 10 minutes and got injured again. I think Kd offense is just so great it outweighs the gap between the defense.
In 2019 the kawhi vs KD debate is very close. Its just do you think kd's offensive gap from kawhi out ways kawhi's defensive gap over KD. Do you think kawhi has a good enough offensive game to outway kd's defensive skill
Yea at that time they were almost equal. I will say that kd when healthy was better than kawhi in that postseason. (That might be a hot take) It's arguable tho
@@BrothaGoneBased I agree, I am a raptors fan, I’m born and live in Toronto but kd was wild before the injury, would have had one of the best scoring playoff runs ever, I rank kawhi above because I didn’t see Kevin durant that season play the full finals, if he was healthy he would’ve been the best
@@thimis6288 bro that game 6 clippers game. I remember watching it with some friends... we were completely in shock. I don't think i ever seen a more effortless efficient 50 piece ever.
Russ was without a doubt head and shoulders over Curry til 2016. Even during Steph’s first MVP, most people still considered Westbrook better, and that he or Harden were robbed.
I like that kenny values defence in a lot of his picks, games played on both ends of the court and great defence can beat great offence but bad defence can’t win against good offence
I like debates like this and Kenny I'm have to agree with you Kd isn't really an elite defender kind of say I'm taking Kawhii over Kd cause of his defense and on the Paul george topic that's stuff he never really shows up in the Season but he shows up in the playoffs that's like Harden not showing up in the playoffs You got two elite players who can ball though but I don't know
Towards the end of the John Wall/Simmons debate they were just talking for the point of talking😭 they kept trying to make the other person clarify everything to make them slip up
Boogie vs Embiid (2020) is fair. Boogie was lowkey on a KG kind of path being on a trash Kings team. If KG doesn't go to Boston and win a ring I don't think anyone puts him top 30/20. Cousins without that injury might've had a chance with AD, though Warriors dynasty would still be in their way. I might take Cousins honestly.
if KG doesnt go to boston...he was still 8x all nba, 8x all defense, MVP and took a team to the west finals that has been to playoffs like twice since he left. boogie wasnt even close lmao
13:20 I remember getting a migraine this episode cuz jeezus pewe you were looking mad delusional in this clip. He definitely improved his basketball knowledge since cuz then bro was having some osn type of takes😂
If they did the Prime Embiid vs Prime Boogie question again, it wouldn’t even be close lol. Embiid now is easily better than boogie ever was, and I LOVEEEE Boogie.
I feel like the show has talked about Pelicans Boogie like it was a long run before injuries. They disappointed heavily that first half season and had one okay half of a season before his injury and their record was not that good before he got hurt. Kenny knew what Embiid was becoming and sadly Boogie was nowhere near that trajectory when healthy.
What red hair talking about he say Kd elite scorer with good defence like kawhi isn’t a elite scorer with at that time top 5 defence like what are we doing this your saying your picking kawhi because he’s a way better scorer and kawhi a way better defender plus elite defence
crazy thing is nobody watches kings games so they saw cousins put up numbers and overrated tf outta him. embiid is and was always so so so much better.
Bruh had brook as a better point than curry in 18 lol at no point after 13 was he better than Steph of course he would go by the numbers when Steph had to share the ball with kd and klay
Taking prime boogie over Embiid was nuts. Especially when P is saying how it’s crazy Boogie was a 3 level scorer in his prime, but Embiid literally is a better 3 level scorer and did it on a winning team unlike Boog.
No its not. This was before Embiid turned into a legitimate mvp caliber player and saying he did it on a winning team doesn't make sense when the kings was one of the worst run organizations before and after cousins came.
@@ACLA23 no it means he was the only player capable of consistent scoring every night which gave them a chance. Unless you wanted him to pass to nik stauskas and marco bellineli more lmao
Kenny went 4/4 dont @ me
Facts
Facts
2 for 4 not bad for sure
cap durant > kawhi any time any day
@@juwanjordan5010 trippin
Rookie Ben over john wall is so disrespectful
Thats like sayin Cade is better than Kyrie rn 😂 idk how P lived after that take
You’re crazy
then said russ was better than steph
The fact that P walked off as if the others said sum BS was crazy. And he then went on to say Russ was better than Steph 💀
@@davedaniels5874 russ is my favorite player ever (its been a rough year with him taking unnecessary shots every 2 YT vids i watch) but i AGREE RUSS BETTER
P using health as an argument when he defending Ben Simmons 💀
That was in 2018
Even in 2018 bro missed the whole prior season due to a foot injury
I think it’s crazy Kenny is the only one that values defense on the pod
11:43 agree or not, “it’s literally right” is insane 😭😭 D Mills is a legend
I fucking lost it when he said that
He literally was right😭
And D Mills wasn't right. He was literally right
@@mikefowler7689 he wasn’t tho
P having Westbrook over Curry is probably one of his worst takes ever.
worse than prime Wall being worse the rookie Ben?
@@TuFrutaMadre888 that’s a bad take too, but I think having Westbrook over Curry is a worse one. P was taking L’s this video.
@@alexismaldonado9707 I dont know man. At that point it was Curry at 1 and Westbrook at 2. Also Curry was in a superteam and people was looking for excuses to dog him. John Wall was all nba, Ben Simmons was all rookie. Thats all Im gonna say
That was in 2018, Russel had won MVP the year before, averaging triple double
@@ReusCC1 stat padding and he got embarrassed by rookie Donovan Mitchell
Dmills was spot on with that Game 7 Ben talk .
Dmills was on P’s ass with John Wall vs Rookie Ben Simmons. I can’t believe that was an actual debate.
He was better in 2018
and to this day, Ben Simmons has never reached the level of prime John Wall
The only thing Ben Simmons had over Wall is not to make a open dunk or layup and pass instead.
He was better in 2018 tho
Kenny valuing defense brings peace to the earth
I really shed a tear of happiness watching derrick be right about ben simmons :')
Why would you be happy about that. Cringe shit
W argument fr
Kawhi > KD is a good take
Especially in 2017-2019 Kawhi was so underrated but KD was better but you could definitely debate for Kawhi
It’s a good take today imo but it’s close
been saying it since 2015, my opinion has yet to change 🤷🏾♂️
@Joseph Lipyeat hell, it wasn’t uncommon for him to be the best player in the league
Hearing Kenny swear is killing me😂😂
Been watching him since 2018 and every time he does I still get shocked 😂
saying robert covington in the backcourt is crazy.
comparing rebounding to 3pt shooting for a ball handler is also crazy
that was actually really funny
Kenny always values defense more than P, Mike and D-Mills. I usually agree
I sometimes agree too besides the Kd debate. Kawhi was the best player in the playoffs in 2019 but Kd was injured for most of it. When he did come back he fucked the raptors up for 10 minutes and got injured again. I think Kd offense is just so great it outweighs the gap between the defense.
Love when the other three goin off and P just smiling at the camera 😭
P said 3 point shooting wasn’t essential 😂😂😂
for PG may I add
P thought he was doin somethin with that rookie ben stint🤣
Russell Westbrook over curry is crazy even back then…
Wow P’s takes nowadays are WAY better than 4 years ago lmaooo some of these are rough
Calling 2020 Embiid "prime embiid" feels weird now
P wild saying Ben Simmons was better than John Wall
2:50 damn I don't think I've ever heard Kenny curse like that 😭
In 2019 the kawhi vs KD debate is very close. Its just do you think kd's offensive gap from kawhi out ways kawhi's defensive gap over KD. Do you think kawhi has a good enough offensive game to outway kd's defensive skill
Yea at that time they were almost equal. I will say that kd when healthy was better than kawhi in that postseason. (That might be a hot take) It's arguable tho
@@BrothaGoneBased I agree, I am a raptors fan, I’m born and live in Toronto but kd was wild before the injury, would have had one of the best scoring playoff runs ever, I rank kawhi above because I didn’t see Kevin durant that season play the full finals, if he was healthy he would’ve been the best
@@thimis6288 bro that game 6 clippers game. I remember watching it with some friends... we were completely in shock. I don't think i ever seen a more effortless efficient 50 piece ever.
P had Westbrook over Curry 😂😂😂
He was that dude every friend group had one
I was that dude
Russ was without a doubt head and shoulders over Curry til 2016. Even during Steph’s first MVP, most people still considered Westbrook better, and that he or Harden were robbed.
This was 2017 doe. Steph was clearly better than Russ at this point
@@socialistbatman1211 the majority has curry better in his first mvp since he was the best player on the best team vs Russ being a robin
@@socialistbatman1211 I never heard anyone say Westbrook was robbed, and I’m a Thunder fan 😂
I like that kenny values defence in a lot of his picks, games played on both ends of the court and great defence can beat great offence but bad defence can’t win against good offence
I like debates like this and Kenny I'm have to agree with you Kd isn't really an elite defender kind of say I'm taking Kawhii over Kd cause of his defense and on the Paul george topic that's stuff he never really shows up in the Season but he shows up in the playoffs that's like Harden not showing up in the playoffs You got two elite players who can ball though but I don't know
Mike and Kenny going back and forth Kinda wholesome 😂😂😂😂🤝
D mills with the mustache makes him look like Carl Winslow 😂😂
That Prime Embiid Vs Boogie Hit Different Now😭
They might have to revisit that Cousins vs Embiid debate again, cause I think things will be different
Ridiculous ben simmons was a debate with prime wall, disrespectful
“One of them has that Killa mentality and that’s John Wall and not Ben Simmons” DMills speaking facts on Ben way before the memes and wide open layups
Man I hope the next video is P saying “not to cut you off” then cutting you off 😂
how long ago was this recorded?
17:11 I don't think Mike has looked more obviously high than this episode lmao
breathing all heavy and shit
P taking Ben Simmons over PRIME Wall is absurd
Towards the end of the John Wall/Simmons debate they were just talking for the point of talking😭 they kept trying to make the other person clarify everything to make them slip up
D mills takes lowkey be aging good asl
I would like to hear the Embiid Cousins debate in 2022
Embiid destroys cousins in that
Cousins is obviously better
@@JamesMC2323 What how?
Ben Simmons shit is crazy
W
If this was filmed today. It would be KD, Butler, Wall, Embiid
Kawhi over kd still valid kawhi was like best player on the planet last time he played
this proved to me that mike and p are a couple
lol embiid went on to get 2nd in mvp twice, aberage 30. NOW he’s in his prime
How the hell does Ben Simmons even get brought up to prime John wall? Prime wall is criminally underrated holy shit
Boogie vs Embiid (2020) is fair. Boogie was lowkey on a KG kind of path being on a trash Kings team. If KG doesn't go to Boston and win a ring I don't think anyone puts him top 30/20. Cousins without that injury might've had a chance with AD, though Warriors dynasty would still be in their way. I might take Cousins honestly.
if KG doesnt go to boston...he was still 8x all nba, 8x all defense, MVP and took a team to the west finals that has been to playoffs like twice since he left. boogie wasnt even close lmao
@@harriszai9467 yea that’s a too young to have seen MN KG take. Dude was a monster. It’s like ppl forget he was a literal MVP
13:20 I remember getting a migraine this episode cuz jeezus pewe you were looking mad delusional in this clip. He definitely improved his basketball knowledge since cuz then bro was having some osn type of takes😂
If they did the Prime Embiid vs Prime Boogie question again, it wouldn’t even be close lol. Embiid now is easily better than boogie ever was, and I LOVEEEE Boogie.
tbh i still think it would be close, bro was dropping 20 20 like nothing, even had a 40 20 game in the pelicans
but are we talkin bouta guy
16:30 dame literally had the greatest playoff game of all time and still lost lmao (I know this was after but still)
Bruh… P is just wild 😂
First
I trash George Paul a lot. But a healthy, confident Paul George could be dangerous
prime embiid every day
Prime Cousins was better than Embiid back then Embiid wasn’t yet the mvp level player
Crazy the P said Russ was over Steph in 2018
Kenny then picks Kd first in the draft the other day....he just doesn't like Kevin Durant
I’m taking Kawhi over KD but it’s close, very close. I think Kawhi’s scoring is underrated but like I said, you aren’t wrong for picking either imo
I'm a Demarcus fan so prime boogie is better then joel but, it joel is making a case
I feel like the show has talked about Pelicans Boogie like it was a long run before injuries. They disappointed heavily that first half season and had one okay half of a season before his injury and their record was not that good before he got hurt. Kenny knew what Embiid was becoming and sadly Boogie was nowhere near that trajectory when healthy.
Jimmy wins in the PLAYOFFS clearly but in a normal game its pg.
kevin durant at his peak was the most overrated defender in the league for the sake of “hes the best in the league”
D mills be talkin his shit and yall love to argue idk why
pre-therapy Kentrell argue DIFFERENT
Ben Simmons take from P just looks bad Lmao
What red hair talking about he say Kd elite scorer with good defence like kawhi isn’t a elite scorer with at that time top 5 defence like what are we doing this your saying your picking kawhi because he’s a way better scorer and kawhi a way better defender plus elite defence
crazy thing is nobody watches kings games so they saw cousins put up numbers and overrated tf outta him. embiid is and was always so so so much better.
This stuff is what makes me find Pierre cringe af at times cuz looking at it objectively in most vids he be saying the most biased stuff it’s annoying
Bruh had brook as a better point than curry in 18 lol at no point after 13 was he better than Steph of course he would go by the numbers when Steph had to share the ball with kd and klay
p will defend ben simmons and paul george like he the us military
So annoying when they’re arguing and p talks over them lol
Kawhi is no longer an elite perimeter defender hate to say it
Taking prime boogie over Embiid was nuts. Especially when P is saying how it’s crazy Boogie was a 3 level scorer in his prime, but Embiid literally is a better 3 level scorer and did it on a winning team unlike Boog.
No its not. This was before Embiid turned into a legitimate mvp caliber player and saying he did it on a winning team doesn't make sense when the kings was one of the worst run organizations before and after cousins came.
@@dmvprod5031 so that means he was low key stat padding 💀
@@ACLA23 no it means he was the only player capable of consistent scoring every night which gave them a chance. Unless you wanted him to pass to nik stauskas and marco bellineli more lmao
@@dmvprod5031 It’s the same thing with Bradley Beal put him on a contender and he’s averaging 23 not 30
everybody talking about the kings but embiid legit could take 4 scrubs to the playoffs right now. hes that good.
Some of these P takes... 😳😳
This man Pierre's bias be crazier than Dmills lmao rookie Ben overrated aff
Its not wrong but its also not right at the same time 🤣🤣🤣
We talking about a guy?
Give me kawhi
bro current John Wall better than Ben man. P normally right but he be wilding with the lightskin brothers
Joel over prime boogie is wild Boog is everything Joel wishes he was
boogie over embiid is nasty 😭
Yall all look like yall come from different eras 💀
I’m still saying prime Boogie over 2021/2022 Embiid
Embiid > jokic
One has 2 mvps tho
Jokic is statistically better and it isn't close
@@TheGamingShogun joel has a higher dickedurmother percentage who's the real goat
Because his #2 and #3 were hurt both years and the ball was always in his hands of course he’s gunna get the stats
Yeah because his #2 and #3 didn’t play of course your going to get the stats when you always have the ball in your hands