A few notes: if you want to use external tablet drivers, you want to disable high precision mouse. I would recommend using the in-game tablet settings if you don't need filters or smoothing, as it can have less input latency. The skin editor moving elements around is fixed by choosing proper anchors and origins, it takes a bit of practice but for me it's intuitive now. I would also recommend setting UI scaling to 0.8x, it makes song select a lot less crowded on desktop, but it will also scale skin elements so be aware of that
@@avisar3457 TL:DR use OTD and import your wacom area, add filters if needed. With that said, long (and probably stupid) math: Here's what I do. Left - Right = width Top - Bottom = height I can't remember the specific math to get the exact placement tho 💀 I think it was: whatever your full area's width is/2 (to get the full area's half width), let's call this "A" Then do your current area width/2, let's call this "B" To get the location, you do A-B Repeat the process for the height Move Lazer's tablet position driver's sliders until you're sorta close to where your area currently is. *The result values are always mm.* This is convoluted and probably completely incoherent, but it's what pops into my mind when someone mentions this 😅
You're using "Top Center" anchor for HP bar, of course it will bound to center in that case Use "Top Left" if you want for HP bar to behave like Avatar and others
1:23 any lag due to where you install lazer would either be due to the import process itself (after it's finished there should be no difference), or due to latencies associated with the drive you're installing on (e.g. an internal ssd will be faster than a usb drive) 3:53 while inputs are always processed at 1000 hz, vsync will add some visual latency (as you mention). if you hate screen tearing, vsync fixes that. if your monitor supports gsync or freesync, you likely don't need vsync as they're supposed to fix tearing issues 6:14 i applaud you for showing off the skin editor and the neat things you can do with it, but it's also clear that no one knows how anchors and origins work
Do g sync and freesync even work when the fps is above your monitors refresh rate? I haven't tested anything yet, but I mainly know them as a tool to fix screen tearing when the FPS is slower than the monitor If they work, then they probably introduce buffering, which makes them the same as just using V-Sync
Just saw you responding to every comment, that's cool. I've switched to lazer quite time ago, what I felt at first without changing any settings is that game felt much better than stable. This combined with tons of cool features like playlist and multi spectating really made my wanna fully swith to lazer. I'll also try changing my settings to see if I can make everything better. Thank you
2:29 you can click on osu on the left sub menu to scroll directly to there. it doesnt make much sense from a ux perspective to have the game mode specific controls before the global controls, especially since osu supports dozens of community made game modes which all have their controls listed here
I started my osu! journey on lazer, been playing actively on it since April 2021, and you still managed to make me learn that you can hide the top bar with Ctrl+T.
As someone that has used Lazer for ages, im so glad so many people here are giving it a try, and seeing how they enjoy it, and what they dislike about it.
i don't use the visual elements for gameplay because it feels really more clean during the gameplay, you can disable the visual elements in-game by or pressing shift+tab or in the options skin. (and a really good hint, if you wanna paly in half-time, play with daycore, is much more better and the music dosen't feel broken)
I've been using lazer for a year now and I really really like it (i don't use stable anymore). I don't care so much about pp so i was enjoying it a lot. Now there is pp, but I will continue playing exactly as I have been playing before. There are still some things to improve, but I still find it more entertaining. I hope there will be a day when everyone will switch to lazer because it is worth all the effort that ppy is putting in. c:
i would agree with you if osu lazer wouldn't be unusable for the most part. directx on my pc did never have audio bugs for me, but i constantly having input lag which is just as i mentioned not playable. i made a video as well but what i only did was to switch to opengl which is curently the most accurate stable experience (or just wait till the game will be actually finished). if my knowlage is correct, osu used opengl by default anyways and directx was the compatibility mode.
@@werdizer2584 1: i play them too, it's a joke 2: apparently they don't matter because most of the lazer development time goes to standard and the other 3 are basically ignored
Can you tell me whats the problem with lazer? I havent tested it yet cus im lazy af to download it, i play mania too so im a little concerned when you said youll never switch to lazer.
7:11 You can fix the positioning issues by setting both the Anchor and Origin to Top left (that also includes the related elements like the Profile pic, name, and flag). Basically making the skin dynamically positioned based on the game's aspect ratio. It sure does take a while to learn lazer skinning.
there are still some things that annoy me like the loading time when when clicking a song, its probably the same length as stables loading time but feels longer(and if you retry a map is def takes a lot longer to load), and after a recent update my instafade skin does not work the 100s and 50s disapper in like 1ms and i cant see if i only got one 100 or the whole stream was 100s lol. And all the features are good but not worth changing your whole client over if you just want to enjoy the game from time to time. If you are someone who is trying to grind skill then lazer makes more sense for the rate edit and difficulty adjust stuff. If someting is not broken dont fix it, look at the features lazer has if you need them a lot then switch, if you are happy with stable then i see no reason to go out of your way to switch. also there are a lot of execuses to not play lazer like how the song select is kinda goofy they could have done it better but the bigger issue is performance as it barely gets to my monitors refresh rate, and after pressing f2 it takes a good 500ms to actually change the audio and load the song backgound.
Yeah, some other things which annoy me but idk if anyone else cares: 1) When scrolling through your map list, the song has a slight fade out which abrupts the preview point of the next song, whereas in stable it feels more instantaneous, and sometimes when you're scrolling fast, the first second of a preview point of a song could determine whether you play the map (at least for me) 2) I don't understand why you have to hold to pause on a map, I just want to tap ESC and retry quickly, also I have a habit of insta retrying a map before I play it cause to readjust my grip. 3) The UR bar has those distracting icons on the sides, I have my UR bar big so even more so. 4) My cursour movement (using tablet) 100% feels worse. If they fix these I would be pretty happy, I don't play the game for pp anyways I just want it to feel like stable.
@@thinkbuilder1780 You don't have to hold escape if you follow my setup video!!!! Also peppy said yesterday on Twitter that all of those player quality of life stuff is kind of all is left to fully release Lazer!! So future updates will mainly be things like that, at some point he said there would be a button that would be like "make me look like stable" kind of thing, it's just matter of time
Apparently the loading times is ties to issues when youre trying to connect to bancho, so if you log out and play offline it will be instant, idrk how that correlates to one another, so yeah asked peppy or open up discussions on the github, i have seen a few people said something about this on the github too so a fix is probably coming idk.
I know it’s not their priority to make lazer look anything like stable but one of my biggest ‘issues’ with lazer is the song selection screen. There are other places where your old skin doesn’t really work but the song selection screen looks disgusting imo.
Quoting peppy the creator of the game from a tweet one day ago: "we have a long journey ahead. don't like song select? we're fixing that. imports from stable too slow? that will get better. performance not quite there? it'll improve every release going forward. results screen not quite what you expected? it's getting revamped. "
@@Shikkesora Tbh, I knew this already but I still don't think they will bring back song select skinning which is like the main reason I don't like it. but ye I'm not a lazer hater I just prefer stable for now
@@Lunaui Yeah, I'm a developer too so I know how long stuff can take some times especially with a small team, but as I said I'm not trying to hate, I'm just saying what I think. Also, I didn't know they will try to make everything "skinnable" again, just assumed it's gonna stay like that.
hey man! this is pretty useful, but i noticed you didnt include a section for the editor. i know there arent many configurations aside from a few hotkeys so i wanna ask, is there any chance i can make a solid full map on the lazer map editor? i would like to explore its features but ove only seen some comments indicating the contrary but from a few years ago. maybe now its bearable? i dont know, you tell me.
As a mouse player, I can recommend turning off High Precision Mouse, because it is sometimes glitchy for me, because I also play VALORANT and there, I got the tipp to turn off Mouse Acceleration in the Windows settings as this is more reliable than the Osu one
Hello, So I'm having an issue with osu!Lazer, I'm trying since 3 days to find a way to fix it. So here's the problem : I have the habbit to play on my laptop and since 1 week or something when I'm in game for more than 40 sec, my game become laggy. I saw on the FPS meter that it was the the draw FPS (idk what it means lol). And so to fall of 120 fps to 60 gives an impression of HIGH LAG. I was searching on many online forum some way to just fit it, so I tried : - Change the setting on NVIDIA panel the low latency mode on Ultra, didn't work - Same for the Vertical Sync on off didn't change anything - I changed the rendering engine, same prob - Tried for unlimited FPS or Vsynch but same effect - Singlethreaded don't help too - Empty the cache ... - I even tried to put it on administrator mode, I mean ... So here's more detail on my config : - My graphic card is an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti - I'm playing on fullscreen, obviously - As I said, I play on a laptop and it's a Lenovo Legion Y540 so I don't think it's a performance problem lol, and I have still a lot of memory on it. So, if someone have the kidness to give some tips or give me a solution for this type of issue, this will definitely make my day. Thank you if you just read all my comment :))).
Interesting, can you check that you're not using Optimus, and that your PC is using your GPU? It usually uses optimus for laptops which is not the best for performance
Do you have any recommended tablet to use for osu lazer? Im returning player and i feel my current tablet is out dated so im considering on purchasing a new tablet .
why is my "update" stuck at 300 fps and my "draw" at 150? edit: oh it was because my monitor is 75 hz and i had vsync if i play with unlimited framerate i get 1 ms but there is no point because the important thing is the input not the update or draw
This also happens in Stable osu but I think just works a bit differently. Try different skins! Also make sure you disabled all I showed in the video about the useless graphic settings hehe
I don't know if anyone else has this problem or if it's just me, but Lazer seems to shuffle the order of maps when I sort by "Date Added" (how I sort literally all the time). If anyone has a fix for this, please let me know, it's the only thing keeping me from switching to Lazer.
@@Shikkesora I noticed that it tries to do that, which is... fine. I guess. But even that is inconsistent. Some maps I downloaded last week are right next to maps I downloaded 2 years ago
probably not good in most cases! but i have to say, it feels waaaaay better than vsync in stable feels amazing for me as a high hz user and makes me play better too! :D
@@Shikkesora I tried it and it suffers the same problems as any Vsync implementation, higher input lag. It's definitely less than on stable but still quite noticeable. If it works for you that's fine but should definitely not be the recommended setting.
I said in another comment I think, I recorded the voice over ages ago when it wasn't a thing, and had to re-record footage but couldn't voice over at that time :( I should have added a little note but yeah I forgor
please do not recommend users to increase the frame limiter, it serves absolutely no purpose edit: sorry, just saw the thumbnail, now that i watched the video is actually fine ty for not telling users that
if i disable the "tablet" option my tablet won't work at all in the game it's like the game doesn't allow the cursor to be inside or something (i use the oiriginal intuos drivers which work perfectly)
Quoting ppy creator of the game one day ago: "we have a long journey ahead. don't like song select? we're fixing that. imports from stable too slow? that will get better. performance not quite there? it'll improve every release going forward. results screen not quite what you expected? it's getting revamped."
osu!lazer always felt way more responsive for my system anyway, just had a lot of stutters. Going back to stable was always a pain. Now with most major performance issues fixed I just can't go back. Pp resets or not, I will stubbornly keep playing lazer. Song search is still a pain though, but I have 100k beatmaps so ofc it lags out.
Follow up: as per February 19th update, song select works flawlessly for me. Also shaved off some insignificant amount of offset, might be huge for some users, as some experience a huge leap in performance.
I do have the problem that as soon as I touch my tablet with my pencil it recognizes everything as a click and my pencil stops working even while hovering, does anybody have the same issues or a solution for this?
I play with hud off and currently in laser i cant (to my knowledge) have the hit error bar to always be present, it switches off alongside the other hud elements which is a massive dealbreaker for me, peppy's been saying this is gonna be added "soon" since 2021...
@@Shikkesora thats a massive work around in my eyes, i do like to check the acc, combo and the new 300s/100s/50s counter thing during breaks or slow sections by toggling the hud for a second so i don't really see it a solution, should've mentioned this in orginal comment
Thanks for letting me know! :D I didn't even know it was a thing and I was always calculating it, right before releasing the vid someone told me to do top center anchor for the HP bar so that's what I did 😅, but that makes more sense, where you want to anchor it, is the position it should be, got it!
Hmm no idea, I recommend asking in Github of osu Lazer in discussions, or contacting developer of the game via discord servers from osu development or email. If you ever bought supporter reply to the email where you get thanked for buying supporter, peppy the creator always responds those
Click on the top right corner! You should have a progress bar. Also, Lazer has a problem munching Ram memory like crazy in certain pcs (will be fixed in the future) . I recommend checking ram often or restarting, or indeed using the clear cache option!
i cant find any solution to my cursor accelerating, I'm playing on tablet and i tried everything to fix that and nothing worked and its unplayable with that smoothness, pls help someone
@@crim-n19 damn, I know someone had a similar problem and they don't even remember how they fixed it.. can you go to osu! github and look around, or ask peppy in the osu!dev discord server maybe?
normally I get under 1ms around 0.3 to 0.5 in osu! but in lazer it doesn't go bellow 1 is this how it's suppose to be because it feels different and Im pretty sure its making me play worse
I'm neither of the three guys from the intro. I'm the fourth guy who tried lazer, enjoyed it, configured it right, got better performance, didn't care about pp more than the improved experience and had a lot of fun coming to an improved version of osu!. One weird thing tho: yesterday I got a first place score on a 2.5 star mania map because the old scores have a x0.96 multiplier which makes no sense for mania. The balance isn't there yet and peppy has a lot left to do.
@@braasalim I think it's just a matter of getting used to it, I play on Lazer now and it's just seamlessly to me, if I play in old osu it's antiquate and lacking so many features that Lazer has, but that's just my opinion after countless hours in lazer
More than a year ago I tried Lazer and it seemed different, I'm going to download it again and do it. Also, why did peppy made lazer instead of modifying osu? (I'm lost)
Sounds great! :D Peppy decided to make it because old osu code is very low quality and very spaghetti (code from 2007) which makes everything 100 times harder to implement new features and everything is more prone to break. Lazer is made so peppy doesn't have to develop another osu anymore anytime soon! And in case it has to be updated it's gonna be easily done because of modern and more flexible code
I feel like you kinda rushed the tutorial for yourself too fast because in the settings there is a bookmark in the configure tab on the left you can click and it'll take you to that sections keybinds. 2:30
hi! i addressed this many times in the comments already! the voice-over is old (a few months old) I had to release the video today and re-recorded footage cuz of updates, couldn't voice-over at that time but yeah, i was gonna add a note regarding that (i think i did at some point but it didnt display)
I followed the steps and... I got 19-38 fps on 800 x 600 on the menu and the options, playing a song it's uncomfortable since it runs 10-27 fps (i tested it on intuition in lami's hard)
@@benjamin_reborn691 daaamn... to be honest you might want to consider trying osu in a mobile device, I have a phone that is not a flagship or anything and I still get a smooth 60fps experience with it. hope someday you can get a better setup ;w;
You can do it though right? With UI scaling stuff in the settings, I have a friend that plays with letterbox, game is still full screen to your native resolution but the playfield is way smaller and stuff
prob shouldve phrased it better. like i can do it and it looks the same, but i have to change my tablet resolution settings for it to almost feel similar @@Shikkesora
@@ninjas1801 hmm interesting, I recommend voicing it to ppy in his discord server or Twitter, maybe he can help you out or if it's not properly implemented, to let him know :)
@@Shikkesora guess it ended up just being something funky on my end after getting back on lazer after a few days it just worked. not really sure what the problem was
lazer is still shit i rather play with 0.25 ms rather than 1 ms and everytime i play my ms goes from like 1 to 2 in the hard parts of the map for some reason, i did everything in the video aswell. fuck lazer
It's not the input delay issue, it's the frame drop issue that you're facing. I already submitted the issue way back two years ago and it's not completely fixed.
if only they made the skin import actually work and import everything correctly. Editing skins in lazer is a nightmare if you wish to make the skin look exactly like you had from stable
yeah compatibility is still not 100% there ALSO HAHABEAR BRO I GREW UP WITH YOU AND NOW YOU'RE COMMENTING MY VID WHA !!!! are you still doing the big shakes?
No way I change to lazer as osu!mania player Input lag are good but update lag are 8-9ms on my laptop instead of 2-3ms on stable. And awful framerate of course I am should upgrade my setup for it but I'm broke :)
Honestly, as a long-time Lazer user myself (since 2017), I already kinda forgot that osu!stable is a thing lol (no offence, I'm using Linux so Lazer is only my option) For anyone just coming here to look by, I personally would recommend new players to try out the new default because it's really made for new players. It's just so much better especially if you play the game outside Windows PC.
Do not trust anybody who even dares to recommend VSync on a rhythm game. You would rather limit your framerate externally via RTSS below your refresh rate so you use your monitor's Adaptive Sync feature (if available). Also, do not change your renderer. DirectX 11 is the most stable for both NVIDIA and AMD, and changing it will not improve anything (if it helps, the game reads your GPU features and change defaults anyway).
Seems like you didn't watch the video. Inputs are tracked at 1000hz and Vsync makes sense if you have a 400hz monitor like me, I put multiple disclaimers about that! Changing to the renderer was recommended by the game creator to deal with audio latency issues. I respect the comment tho! :D
A few notes:
if you want to use external tablet drivers, you want to disable high precision mouse.
I would recommend using the in-game tablet settings if you don't need filters or smoothing, as it can have less input latency.
The skin editor moving elements around is fixed by choosing proper anchors and origins, it takes a bit of practice but for me it's intuitive now.
I would also recommend setting UI scaling to 0.8x, it makes song select a lot less crowded on desktop, but it will also scale skin elements so be aware of that
Thanks for the corrections! :D
any tips on how to import my existing wacom area to laser?
@@avisar3457you can't lol, but it's not hard to just copy a few numbers over with your eyes 💀
my wacom area is in coordinates so it isnt just copying the numbers...@@trustytrojan
@@avisar3457
TL:DR use OTD and import your wacom area, add filters if needed.
With that said, long (and probably stupid) math:
Here's what I do.
Left - Right = width
Top - Bottom = height
I can't remember the specific math to get the exact placement tho 💀
I think it was:
whatever your full area's width is/2 (to get the full area's half width), let's call this "A"
Then do your current area width/2, let's call this "B"
To get the location, you do A-B
Repeat the process for the height
Move Lazer's tablet position driver's sliders until you're sorta close to where your area currently is.
*The result values are always mm.*
This is convoluted and probably completely incoherent, but it's what pops into my mind when someone mentions this 😅
2:23 ...or y'know... press the button that says "osu!" on the left
i responded this so many times already 😭
i watched this and now lazer is my primary client
Understandable
Been using lazer for a month and now stable feels uncomfortable but lazer feels better😭
@@oceanings lol
I've never actually played stable, because stable is windows only, and it's closed source.
ppy: try to make lazer as different to stable as possible
players: try to make lazer as similar to stable as possible😂
HAHAHHAA
You're using "Top Center" anchor for HP bar, of course it will bound to center in that case
Use "Top Left" if you want for HP bar to behave like Avatar and others
Makes sense!!! Thanks so much, I swear to god I couldn't figure it out 😂
@@Shikkesora yeah since theres no ingame help, you have to trial and error the options
1:23 any lag due to where you install lazer would either be due to the import process itself (after it's finished there should be no difference), or due to latencies associated with the drive you're installing on (e.g. an internal ssd will be faster than a usb drive)
3:53 while inputs are always processed at 1000 hz, vsync will add some visual latency (as you mention). if you hate screen tearing, vsync fixes that. if your monitor supports gsync or freesync, you likely don't need vsync as they're supposed to fix tearing issues
6:14 i applaud you for showing off the skin editor and the neat things you can do with it, but it's also clear that no one knows how anchors and origins work
Thanks for the clarification!! :D
Do g sync and freesync even work when the fps is above your monitors refresh rate? I haven't tested anything yet, but I mainly know them as a tool to fix screen tearing when the FPS is slower than the monitor
If they work, then they probably introduce buffering, which makes them the same as just using V-Sync
"it's also clear that no one knows how anchors and origins work" lol?
if you need iyt top left - set it top left, basic as that
Love this video, I'm glad Lazer is having more visibility among users
Just saw you responding to every comment, that's cool. I've switched to lazer quite time ago, what I felt at first without changing any settings is that game felt much better than stable. This combined with tons of cool features like playlist and multi spectating really made my wanna fully swith to lazer. I'll also try changing my settings to see if I can make everything better. Thank you
2:29 you can click on osu on the left sub menu to scroll directly to there. it doesnt make much sense from a ux perspective to have the game mode specific controls before the global controls, especially since osu supports dozens of community made game modes which all have their controls listed here
I started my osu! journey on lazer, been playing actively on it since April 2021, and you still managed to make me learn that you can hide the top bar with Ctrl+T.
Wow!! :D
I love how even the imperfect parts allow you to work around them, albeit in janky ways.
As someone that has used Lazer for ages, im so glad so many people here are giving it a try, and seeing how they enjoy it, and what they dislike about it.
i don't use the visual elements for gameplay because it feels really more clean during the gameplay, you can disable the visual elements in-game by or pressing shift+tab or in the options skin.
(and a really good hint, if you wanna paly in half-time, play with daycore, is much more better and the music dosen't feel broken)
I do that as well but it removes the unstable rate bar in lazer
@@cheesewizvevo Yeah I made a skin that has everything removed but the UR/hit error bar since I'm so used to playing with that visible.
I've been using lazer for a year now and I really really like it (i don't use stable anymore). I don't care so much about pp so i was enjoying it a lot. Now there is pp, but I will continue playing exactly as I have been playing before. There are still some things to improve, but I still find it more entertaining. I hope there will be a day when everyone will switch to lazer because it is worth all the effort that ppy is putting in. c:
i would agree with you if osu lazer wouldn't be unusable for the most part. directx on my pc did never have audio bugs for me, but i constantly having input lag which is just as i mentioned not playable. i made a video as well but what i only did was to switch to opengl which is curently the most accurate stable experience (or just wait till the game will be actually finished). if my knowlage is correct, osu used opengl by default anyways and directx was the compatibility mode.
i play mania and no way am i changing to lazer ever
maybe once they touch the minigames in 5 years
@@bobbirinominigames? Really? Bruh
All osu! gamemodes matter
@@werdizer2584
1: i play them too, it's a joke
2: apparently they don't matter because most of the lazer development time goes to standard and the other 3 are basically ignored
@@bobbirino true
Can you tell me whats the problem with lazer? I havent tested it yet cus im lazy af to download it, i play mania too so im a little concerned when you said youll never switch to lazer.
Thank you SO MUCH! Finally able to play lazer without lag :)
My biggest thing, is that w/ lazer. Why did they make the difficulty sorting not like in stable. I want my diff folders!
Peppy said in a tweet that they're adding all that soon
Thanks for the guide helped me get into lazer :D
Glad to hear it!
7:11 You can fix the positioning issues by setting both the Anchor and Origin to Top left (that also includes the related elements like the Profile pic, name, and flag). Basically making the skin dynamically positioned based on the game's aspect ratio.
It sure does take a while to learn lazer skinning.
Also you can make different hud layout on each mode
there are still some things that annoy me like the loading time when when clicking a song, its probably the same length as stables loading time but feels longer(and if you retry a map is def takes a lot longer to load), and after a recent update my instafade skin does not work the 100s and 50s disapper in like 1ms and i cant see if i only got one 100 or the whole stream was 100s lol. And all the features are good but not worth changing your whole client over if you just want to enjoy the game from time to time.
If you are someone who is trying to grind skill then lazer makes more sense for the rate edit and difficulty adjust stuff.
If someting is not broken dont fix it, look at the features lazer has if you need them a lot then switch, if you are happy with stable then i see no reason to go out of your way to switch.
also there are a lot of execuses to not play lazer like how the song select is kinda goofy they could have done it better but the bigger issue is performance as it barely gets to my monitors refresh rate, and after pressing f2 it takes a good 500ms to actually change the audio and load the song backgound.
Yeah, some other things which annoy me but idk if anyone else cares:
1) When scrolling through your map list, the song has a slight fade out which abrupts the preview point of the next song, whereas in stable it feels more instantaneous, and sometimes when you're scrolling fast, the first second of a preview point of a song could determine whether you play the map (at least for me)
2) I don't understand why you have to hold to pause on a map, I just want to tap ESC and retry quickly, also I have a habit of insta retrying a map before I play it cause to readjust my grip.
3) The UR bar has those distracting icons on the sides, I have my UR bar big so even more so.
4) My cursour movement (using tablet) 100% feels worse.
If they fix these I would be pretty happy, I don't play the game for pp anyways I just want it to feel like stable.
@@thinkbuilder1780 You don't have to hold escape if you follow my setup video!!!!
Also peppy said yesterday on Twitter that all of those player quality of life stuff is kind of all is left to fully release Lazer!! So future updates will mainly be things like that, at some point he said there would be a button that would be like "make me look like stable" kind of thing, it's just matter of time
Apparently the loading times is ties to issues when youre trying to connect to bancho, so if you log out and play offline it will be instant, idrk how that correlates to one another, so yeah asked peppy or open up discussions on the github, i have seen a few people said something about this on the github too so a fix is probably coming idk.
Great vid, well explained to make the game feel good:)
7:42
i havent played osu in about 2/3 years, i can confirm i wouldve believed it was a skin or an update
I know it’s not their priority to make lazer look anything like stable but one of my biggest ‘issues’ with lazer is the song selection screen. There are other places where your old skin doesn’t really work but the song selection screen looks disgusting imo.
Quoting peppy the creator of the game from a tweet one day ago:
"we have a long journey ahead.
don't like song select? we're fixing that. imports from stable too slow? that will get better. performance not quite there? it'll improve every release going forward. results screen not quite what you expected? it's getting revamped. "
@@Shikkesora Tbh, I knew this already but I still don't think they will bring back song select skinning which is like the main reason I don't like it. but ye I'm not a lazer hater I just prefer stable for now
Song selection screen is banger imo, way better then stable
@@user-bf7td1gn3ttheyve confirmed theyre bringing back all skinning capable in stable and more, itll just take a while
think about how long pp took
@@Lunaui Yeah, I'm a developer too so I know how long stuff can take some times especially with a small team, but as I said I'm not trying to hate, I'm just saying what I think. Also, I didn't know they will try to make everything "skinnable" again, just assumed it's gonna stay like that.
This should be made official and pinned by peppy in the osu! homepage so everyone transitions!
even though ive used lazer quite a few times before some of these really made the game feel more natural
My mouse sens feels really weird on Lazer, hopefully i can fix it but as of now it's unplayable
This helpt me so much, thank you ❤❤❤
wonder why my fps locked at 700 even if i use unlimited or 8x refresh rate
hey man! this is pretty useful, but i noticed you didnt include a section for the editor. i know there arent many configurations aside from a few hotkeys so i wanna ask, is there any chance i can make a solid full map on the lazer map editor? i would like to explore its features but ove only seen some comments indicating the contrary but from a few years ago. maybe now its bearable? i dont know, you tell me.
you definitely can! trust me:)
As a mouse player, I can recommend turning off High Precision Mouse, because it is sometimes glitchy for me, because I also play VALORANT and there, I got the tipp to turn off Mouse Acceleration in the Windows settings as this is more reliable than the Osu one
thanks gang
:OOOO it's the weed machine!! Beeg fan :D
I would enjoy Lazer, but I'm a low end player and my performance on Lazer is really just not optimal.
Peppy said there is gonna be a "potato" mode in the future, we just need time!! :D
Hello,
So I'm having an issue with osu!Lazer, I'm trying since 3 days to find a way to fix it. So here's the problem :
I have the habbit to play on my laptop and since 1 week or something when I'm in game for more than 40 sec, my game become laggy. I saw on the FPS meter that it was the the draw FPS (idk what it means lol). And so to fall of 120 fps to 60 gives an impression of HIGH LAG. I was searching on many online forum some way to just fit it, so I tried :
- Change the setting on NVIDIA panel the low latency mode on Ultra, didn't work
- Same for the Vertical Sync on off didn't change anything
- I changed the rendering engine, same prob
- Tried for unlimited FPS or Vsynch but same effect
- Singlethreaded don't help too
- Empty the cache ...
- I even tried to put it on administrator mode, I mean ...
So here's more detail on my config :
- My graphic card is an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti
- I'm playing on fullscreen, obviously
- As I said, I play on a laptop and it's a Lenovo Legion Y540 so I don't think it's a performance problem lol, and I have still a lot of memory on it.
So, if someone have the kidness to give some tips or give me a solution for this type of issue, this will definitely make my day.
Thank you if you just read all my comment :))).
Interesting, can you check that you're not using Optimus, and that your PC is using your GPU? It usually uses optimus for laptops which is not the best for performance
Gonna try this someday. I play with 200ish fps on stable and 30fps on lazer like a year ago
Must have video for me bro tysm
bro i have every single song u played in this video what a coincidence 💀
Do you have any recommended tablet to use for osu lazer?
Im returning player and i feel my current tablet is out dated so im considering on purchasing a new tablet .
Ctl 472!!
2:18 you can just click the mode icon on the left and it'll take you to its keybinds ^^)b
3:18 It's mainly for compatibility with older hardware.
why is my "update" stuck at 300 fps and my "draw" at 150?
edit: oh it was because my monitor is 75 hz and i had vsync
if i play with unlimited framerate i get 1 ms
but there is no point because the important thing is the input not the update or draw
life saver i hate change but i love progress
does anyone know why whenever i get to a kiai in a song all the hit circles start to glow its really annoying and distracting
This also happens in Stable osu but I think just works a bit differently. Try different skins! Also make sure you disabled all I showed in the video about the useless graphic settings hehe
I don't know if anyone else has this problem or if it's just me, but Lazer seems to shuffle the order of maps when I sort by "Date Added" (how I sort literally all the time). If anyone has a fix for this, please let me know, it's the only thing keeping me from switching to Lazer.
@@swankified8981 the newer maps are up, instead of stable where they are in the bottom
@@Shikkesora I noticed that it tries to do that, which is... fine. I guess. But even that is inconsistent. Some maps I downloaded last week are right next to maps I downloaded 2 years ago
please do not use Vsync, any other option is fine just not that
probably not good in most cases!
but i have to say, it feels waaaaay better than vsync in stable
feels amazing for me as a high hz user and makes me play better too! :D
@@Shikkesora I tried it and it suffers the same problems as any Vsync implementation, higher input lag. It's definitely less than on stable but still quite noticeable. If it works for you that's fine but should definitely not be the recommended setting.
Well, yeah instantly recommending Vsync, to only ocasionaly mention later that you've got 400hz monitor is a really weird thing to do
8:29
i like the bar! it helps change gamemodes fast (for me) and I can get to menus easier lol
i don't know why but with dx11 my fps is locked to 60, so i forced to play with ogl but i don't complain
dang that taken long
wrong video ig, but im new this thing; so how do I add breaks in osu!catch :')
breaks? O.o
HES BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
my laptop is so old i have to set the renderer to opengl legacy lul
You don't have to scroll down in the settings.. you can literally just click the "osu!" tab
I said in another comment I think, I recorded the voice over ages ago when it wasn't a thing, and had to re-record footage but couldn't voice over at that time :( I should have added a little note but yeah I forgor
please do not recommend users to increase the frame limiter, it serves absolutely no purpose
edit: sorry, just saw the thumbnail, now that i watched the video is actually fine ty for not telling users that
:3
if i disable the "tablet" option my tablet won't work at all in the game it's like the game doesn't allow the cursor to be inside or something (i use the oiriginal intuos drivers which work perfectly)
and if i activate it the settings override my intuos ones (wtf)
Oh i had to disable "high precision mouse"
u forgot to say this in the video because its unplayable without knowing this
@@umadbro4493 sorry!! Check pinned comment. Glad you figure it out
idk why but everytime i hit a triple it just misses on the third note, i just do i it the same as in stable but it just misses anyways. idk why.
Have you tried Classic mod?
@@Shikkesora yeah i did. Didnt change it. Idk what it is honestly but its quite literally impossible for me to fc anything above 3 stars with that
@@Manzmania Interesting.. if you want to join the discord in the description we can maybe help you with that issdue !
what about song select? How do you get it to act like stable and not have the songs grouped together
Quoting ppy creator of the game one day ago:
"we have a long journey ahead.
don't like song select? we're fixing that. imports from stable too slow? that will get better. performance not quite there? it'll improve every release going forward. results screen not quite what you expected? it's getting revamped."
BANGER VIDEO!!!!!!!!
You mean to tell me all of my problems are because lazer decided to download in a different folder? Jfc I went through so much bs for no reason.
Yeah, it do be like that
osu!lazer always felt way more responsive for my system anyway, just had a lot of stutters. Going back to stable was always a pain. Now with most major performance issues fixed I just can't go back. Pp resets or not, I will stubbornly keep playing lazer.
Song search is still a pain though, but I have 100k beatmaps so ofc it lags out.
As a bonus you get better performance with videos/storyboards than on standart.
Wholesome! Also, never had any problems with song search, but maybe that's because lazer is in my NVME
@@Shikkesora It's probably it. I keep my client on NVMe drive, but maps are stored on separate HDD using symlinks.
Follow up: as per February 19th update, song select works flawlessly for me. Also shaved off some insignificant amount of offset, might be huge for some users, as some experience a huge leap in performance.
I do have the problem that as soon as I touch my tablet with my pencil it recognizes everything as a click and my pencil stops working even while hovering, does anybody have the same issues or a solution for this?
Just for information, I'm using the standard wacom driver
use the ingame driver or just enable high precision mouse.
Bruh I didn't even know that 400Hz monitors are a thing
Mrekk has a 540Hz monitor!!
I play with hud off and currently in laser i cant (to my knowledge) have the hit error bar to always be present, it switches off alongside the other hud elements which is a massive dealbreaker for me, peppy's been saying this is gonna be added "soon" since 2021...
Hello, yes you can! Go to layout editor and delete everything but the UR!
@@Shikkesora thats a massive work around in my eyes, i do like to check the acc, combo and the new 300s/100s/50s counter thing during breaks or slow sections by toggling the hud for a second so i don't really see it a solution, should've mentioned this in orginal comment
@@TheUnholy57 Oh I definitely understand what you mean, I also found it a bit odd ngl. But it's what it is :(
6:45 - you've got spammed with it i believe, but that's not a bug but incorrect anchor point
Thanks for letting me know! :D
I didn't even know it was a thing and I was always calculating it, right before releasing the vid someone told me to do top center anchor for the HP bar so that's what I did 😅, but that makes more sense, where you want to anchor it, is the position it should be, got it!
my osu lazer when i play multi player and start match it kicks me out the match what i do?
Hmm no idea, I recommend asking in Github of osu Lazer in discussions, or contacting developer of the game via discord servers from osu development or email. If you ever bought supporter reply to the email where you get thanked for buying supporter, peppy the creator always responds those
@@Shikkesora oki ty
How do i make sure that lazer finished importing all data before clearing all cache?
Click on the top right corner! You should have a progress bar.
Also, Lazer has a problem munching Ram memory like crazy in certain pcs (will be fixed in the future) . I recommend checking ram often or restarting, or indeed using the clear cache option!
banger
Im switching to lazer now
i cant find any solution to my cursor accelerating, I'm playing on tablet and i tried everything to fix that and nothing worked and its unplayable with that smoothness, pls help someone
DISABLE "HIGH PRECISION MOUSE" !!!
Make sure your sensitivity is unchanged!! (1.0)
@@Shikkesora already disabled and still nada
@@crim-n19 damn, I know someone had a similar problem and they don't even remember how they fixed it.. can you go to osu! github and look around, or ask peppy in the osu!dev discord server maybe?
@@Shikkesora kk I'll try thx for advise
@@Shikkesora bruh I just found this setting called use hardware acceleration, but why tf is this in graphics tab
normally I get under 1ms around 0.3 to 0.5 in osu! but in lazer it doesn't go bellow 1 is this how it's suppose to be because it feels different and Im pretty sure its making me play worse
lazer is capped at 1000fps so i dont think its possible to go below 1ms input latency
2:53 use ctrl+H instead
Just like before! Only 3x the old delay!
i wish i had a 120 hz moniter it look so smooth >:(
im 4 (been using for a while with no complaints)
I'm neither of the three guys from the intro. I'm the fourth guy who tried lazer, enjoyed it, configured it right, got better performance, didn't care about pp more than the improved experience and had a lot of fun coming to an improved version of osu!.
One weird thing tho: yesterday I got a first place score on a 2.5 star mania map because the old scores have a x0.96 multiplier which makes no sense for mania. The balance isn't there yet and peppy has a lot left to do.
Will we one day have to change to laser? cuz i really didnt like lazer
Yea, but it will improve and have a button that makes everything pretty much look like old osu so... Nothing to worry about
i just love how simple the game is but when u add some weird thing it just dont look like osu@@Shikkesora
@@braasalim I think it's just a matter of getting used to it, I play on Lazer now and it's just seamlessly to me, if I play in old osu it's antiquate and lacking so many features that Lazer has, but that's just my opinion after countless hours in lazer
thank you so much
I am the 4th, I have exclusively played Lazer for the past year and have never played stablr
👍 I haven’t played stable in 2 years
More than a year ago I tried Lazer and it seemed different, I'm going to download it again and do it.
Also, why did peppy made lazer instead of modifying osu? (I'm lost)
Sounds great! :D
Peppy decided to make it because old osu code is very low quality and very spaghetti (code from 2007) which makes everything 100 times harder to implement new features and everything is more prone to break. Lazer is made so peppy doesn't have to develop another osu anymore anytime soon! And in case it has to be updated it's gonna be easily done because of modern and more flexible code
@@Shikkesora thank you so much!! 😄
wait, are you telling me that i can play all my osu songs in lazer without having to duplicate them?
im doing it right now hehe. this is a very new feature right?
I feel like you kinda rushed the tutorial for yourself too fast because in the settings there is a bookmark in the configure tab on the left you can click and it'll take you to that sections keybinds. 2:30
hi! i addressed this many times in the comments already! the voice-over is old (a few months old) I had to release the video today and re-recorded footage cuz of updates, couldn't voice-over at that time but yeah, i was gonna add a note regarding that (i think i did at some point but it didnt display)
@@Shikkesora oh okay my bad 😭
@@endizza nono dw! thanks so much for pointing out :D it's very useful to have that button over there hehe so people should know :3
@@Shikkesora Just felt bad now cause the voice over and rerecording went flawlessly with each another I thought it was a single take 😭
I followed the steps and... I got 19-38 fps on 800 x 600 on the menu and the options, playing a song it's uncomfortable since it runs 10-27 fps (i tested it on intuition in lami's hard)
damn D: what rig you have?
a shitty HP all-in-one that i have since 2017, that thing cost $500 (intel celeron j3060 and 4 ram)
@@benjamin_reborn691 daaamn... to be honest you might want to consider trying osu in a mobile device, I have a phone that is not a flagship or anything and I still get a smooth 60fps experience with it. hope someday you can get a better setup ;w;
@@Shikkesora i'll try osu!lazer on my phone to see if it runs with 2 of ram
@@benjamin_reborn691 💀
iam stuck o stable until mrekk gonna switch
mrekk already got some 1100+pp play in lazer btw
lazer still wont let me letterbox my game properly so its basically unplayable for me since it feels so off
You can do it though right? With UI scaling stuff in the settings, I have a friend that plays with letterbox, game is still full screen to your native resolution but the playfield is way smaller and stuff
prob shouldve phrased it better. like i can do it and it looks the same, but i have to change my tablet resolution settings for it to almost feel similar @@Shikkesora
@@ninjas1801 hmm interesting, I recommend voicing it to ppy in his discord server or Twitter, maybe he can help you out or if it's not properly implemented, to let him know :)
@@Shikkesora guess it ended up just being something funky on my end after getting back on lazer after a few days it just worked. not really sure what the problem was
@@ninjas1801 glad to hear that!
Astesia
did the thumbnail change
👀
@@Shikkesora was the osu logo on the top left please tell me am i going crazy
It was
thank u i am not going crazy
This works for my potato laptop?
Maybe.. Lazer runs on my phone so maybe yes
400hz monitor what????
ty ty
Default on mobile?
hm?
keep stuttering with AMD setup 😔
did that file say torrents🤨📸
and while i doubt they are legal, i am aware that there are legal torrents but im just joking
lazer is still shit i rather play with 0.25 ms rather than 1 ms and everytime i play my ms goes from like 1 to 2 in the hard parts of the map for some reason, i did everything in the video aswell. fuck lazer
your computer is shit
0.75ms is unnoticable unless you are a 1 in 100000000000000000000 human. The real problem is the fact you are getting frame drops.
It's not the input delay issue, it's the frame drop issue that you're facing. I already submitted the issue way back two years ago and it's not completely fixed.
if only they made the skin import actually work and import everything correctly. Editing skins in lazer is a nightmare if you wish to make the skin look exactly like you had from stable
yeah compatibility is still not 100% there
ALSO HAHABEAR BRO I GREW UP WITH YOU AND NOW YOU'RE COMMENTING MY VID WHA !!!! are you still doing the big shakes?
@@Shikkesora hello there. big big shakes
No way I change to lazer as osu!mania player
Input lag are good but update lag are 8-9ms on my laptop instead of 2-3ms on stable. And awful framerate of course
I am should upgrade my setup for it but I'm broke :)
Juro que pensé que era gringo hasta que vi la bandera de Uruguay jajaj
Soy uruguayo :3 pero vivo en un país anglosajon de hace un tiempo :)
@@Shikkesora Que demás, yo también soy uruguayo btw
good video heres a sub lol
Honestly, as a long-time Lazer user myself (since 2017), I already kinda forgot that osu!stable is a thing lol (no offence, I'm using Linux so Lazer is only my option)
For anyone just coming here to look by, I personally would recommend new players to try out the new default because it's really made for new players. It's just so much better especially if you play the game outside Windows PC.
1ms is disguistingly slow, peppy released the game while overlooking the single most important thing
you dont need less than 1ms!! :)
Do not trust anybody who even dares to recommend VSync on a rhythm game. You would rather limit your framerate externally via RTSS below your refresh rate so you use your monitor's Adaptive Sync feature (if available).
Also, do not change your renderer. DirectX 11 is the most stable for both NVIDIA and AMD, and changing it will not improve anything (if it helps, the game reads your GPU features and change defaults anyway).
Seems like you didn't watch the video. Inputs are tracked at 1000hz and Vsync makes sense if you have a 400hz monitor like me, I put multiple disclaimers about that! Changing to the renderer was recommended by the game creator to deal with audio latency issues. I respect the comment tho! :D
lazer bugged my account i got 400 pp after download and rose 50k ranks