Grading the Alex Caruso for Josh Giddey trade…did the Bulls get fleeced? | CHGO Bulls Podcast
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- The CHGO Bulls crew evaluates the trade that brought Josh Giddey to the Chicago Bulls for Alex Caruso in a player-for-player deal on Thursday. Most were shocked that the Bulls got no draft compensation from the Oklahoma City Thunder in the deal. Did Sam Presti get the better of Arturas Karnisovas in this negotiation? Matt, Big Dave and Will give their grades for the trade. Plus, the guys discuss how each team’s PR handled the news of the trade and how the Bulls are being perceived in NBA circles. And if the Caruso trade signifies a rebuild beginning, what is the next domino to fall? Zach LaVine to the Kings, a DeMar DeRozan sign-and-trade, waiving Lonzo Ball?
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Okc fan here. From what it sounds like is that this trade was approached at the trade deadline, and OKC wanted to see where they stand in the playoffs with this roster, which is why y’all don’t move AC at the trade deadline. OKC doesn’t sweep New Orleans without Josh in game 4. He also has had huge games in Boston and New York.
I’m not surprised Sam didn’t give a pick. He knows the value, and it’s funny that people are constantly like “you can’t pick them all…” but it’s because Sam has bigger plans. I really think yall should’ve gotten at least two second round picks, but my guess is Sam had other suitors for Josh, and knew that Chicago wanted Giddey BAD, so Sam gave them his best offer, otherwise he’d trade him elsewhere.
Josh is a solid person. The off the court issue clearly messed with him. The people that released it, were blackmailing him about it. When the incident happened he found out the next day she lied about her age, and he dropped her and told the team. If he was an actual predator, then they should’ve protected the victim, and not doxx her. It seems like petty revenge.
Josh is very self aware, and so I suggest yall go watch what at what Josh had to say during his post season interview. He knows what he needs to do, but his year was so tough.
Lastly, one of Josh’s biggest Thunder fans who is an absolute hater of Josh, has a special needs child that needed serious help. Josh stepped up and donated a large amount of money to that guys go fund me.
I know yall feel like yall got a shit sandwich, but he is gonna surprise some people. I’m rooting for him, and I hope this leads to a lot of success for him and yall.
Josh is hell of a player I love the trade bulls fan here. Josh can easily be 12/6/8 type of player essentially a better overall player. He needs to work on shooting specifically
@@Trick.Ricky.Sternnmaybe short term but I think he’ll be better than they especially if he’s given the chance to run the show.
This is an awesome take and thanks for your input. The trade has grown on me I well admit. I agree at least some 2nd Round Picks! That’s the distance between Sam Presti and everybody else he knows his players, their values and what his team needs to win. As much as I think Giddey is good and do believe he can get better although not holding my breath because the Chicago coaching staff have proven to be incompetent at times. I think he’s shown promise and does have a lot of skill The real component will be how Chicago puts this team together!
@@Trick.Ricky.Sternn if y’all can surround him with some knockdown shooters, he’s an 18/8/7 guy. In year 2, he was the ball handler leading the second unit when SGA went to the bench. Last season, Jalen Williams emerged as that guy, and basically put Josh off ball all game long. Josh was always starting the 2nd and 4th quarter as the lead guard, but then that became Jalen’s spot. Josh’s 3 point shooting can be okay…. But he needs confidence. Watch his FIBA play last year, watch him in the Olympics this year when he is the primary… OKC doesn’t win the Play In game against New Orleans in the 22/23 season without Josh. He went for like 30 that game.
@@emiliothepoet I believe in the guy, and I just hope Chicago fans get behind the guy, because he was dealt a really tough hand that would mess with anyone.
im not sure why anyone would say the bulls got Fleeced, the bulls werent winning with Caruso...his value is to a contending team, not to a team thats struggling because what they need they are not getting from the guys they current have...Giddey shoots a better FG%, for a guy that cant shoot? He scores more points than Caruso, gets more rebounds per game, more assists for a guy who plays LESS minutes than Caruso...he shot a better FT % than Caruso...Alex is 30...Giddey is 21...yall gotta be trolling...Fleeced? Yeah the bulls got a very promising YOUNG player thats going to be playing for YEARS at a lvl that is already higher than Caruso, oh and lets not just randomly choose to forget how injury prone Alex really is...he could have missed a ton more games because he was constantly hurt midway through them and taken out or never came back in the game after, the guy was patched up with scotch tape and isnt going to be healthier the older he gets...
Alex Caruso has always been a role player and not much more than that, hes a great defender, its what he does, Giddey has a chance to be a much better player than Alex ever was, at age 21 he hasnt even came close to maxing his potential, i fully understand why the media is so hyped for OKC, yes they are young and in a good position to compete in the playoffs and the bulls are not, so its not in the benefit of the league to hype up players who wont be seen by the masses on prime time TV, but to say Caruso is highly overhyped is an understatement.
Thanks for explaining it and breaking it down. I wasn't really seeing it at first. Thanks.
I’m more critical of AKME than most but anyone saying this trade is bad for the Bulls is just being childishly emotional and attached to players who haven’t done anything of note here. DeMar next please as that should’ve already been done a while ago, we have a player development coach now and don’t need to be childish and act like the “double team mid-range after school program” is helping our young guys develop.
Wake up and smell the roses and rip this bandaid off!
Totally. This might easily being the best floor general the Bulls have had not named Michael (and yes that includes Lonzo at a close third).
Giddey is a VERY gifted passer. VERY. If not for the fact that they have SGA, OKC doesn't do this.
This is the 6th pick from the 2021 (Franz Wagner) draft. You can make a strong case that he should have gone third, with only Scottie Barnes and Evan Mobley rightly going before him.
This is a HUGE step in the right direction. Young leadership.
It's all about what happens to Zach, DeMar, and PWill now.
@@ciddyfent4246giddey is great player very capable of running the show 12/6/8 is all day for giddey. He definitely needs to work on shooting because when playoffs come around people will make him shoot
There's no possible way that anyone who still believes in Patrick Williams or Dalen Terry should be critical of this trade.
This guy could end up being our best player next year or the year after. He had a nice role and played well before this past season when the Thunder weren't contenders but were STILL BETTER THAN THE BULLS. If we get rid of DeMar then he and Coby sharing the primary ball-handler role will make both of them better. Giddey being able to pass and work with his floaters will make the whole team better if DeMar isn't on the team and allowing the paint to be packed because defenders don't respect him if he doesn't have the ball or has it more than a few steps outside the paint.
Completely disagree with you guys. You had no playmaking on a team thats ranked in the bottom on assists. Billy always did much better with a playmaking point. Hes 6'8 who can give you anywhere from 15-20 ppg. Add his playmaking abilities with coby scoring i think this is a good move even without picks. Im sorry but most of you act like caruso is an all star when realistically hes a defensive guard that is below average on offense. We have Ayo that basically does caruso does with better offense and much younger. Caruso is on an expiring deal that will not resign with us.
A 6’5 PG and a 6’8 PG in the backcourt sounds elite tbh. Patrick Williams break out season incoming
They both can’t pay defense. But hey offensively they might be exciting to watch
@@emiliothepoet coby better defensively than zach and demar already
@@Ahmuh312 I won’t disagree with you on that.
PAW is a free agent and I hope they let him walk. He’s regressed every year and sucks.
@@michaelrenouf9173 Patrick has three level scorer two way ability but the bulls don’t utilize him correctly.
The Bulls got a good deal but if they would’ve not been so reluctant to look in the mirror than they could’ve gotten a lot more. The one they’re gonna get fleeced on is the Lavine trade considering what he could’ve been worth a year and a half ago.
To me as long as AKME **finally** realize the Bulls aren’t contenders and thus DeMar is not on this team next year than this team is moving in the right direction and the young guys we have can run an offense in peace without getting the ball late in the shot clock and trying to make plays/passes in a congested paint because DeMars defender is sagging off of him. As long as they stop clinging to DeMar and that human safety blanket is out of here then I’m good.
Plenty of players improved their shooting, Jason Kidd, Lonzo Ball, Brooke Lopez, Coby White. Thats why I like this trade because I believe that Giddy can improve his shot.
I love Caruso. I also understand OKC isn't just going to give up picks just because they have them.
We got a 21yo starting PG for a defensive specialist in his 30's. Would we feel better if OKC didn't want to give Josh up? All I know is that despite having arguably one of the best defenders in the league we still sucked defensively. As great as Alex is, he is always one loose ball away from a season ending injury.
We needed a new direction and instead of a high pick in a weak draft class we received an established starting caliber lottery pick player coming off a down year with a tonne of upside. Caruso is great but he does little to help the Bulls in 2 or 3 years whereas Giddey might be an important piece moving forward. Maybe we could of received more but Chicago has a history of overvaluing and under delivering. Whichever way you look at it it's no Josh's fault and he definitely brings playmaking we need.
A for the Bulls. I like this move
Ya dude prime ben simmons was a beast defensively and vision and could pass really good and make huge plays so honestly i wouldn't be mad getting ben simmons personally bc i remember seeing that a couple times about trading for him particularly zach to net for him and hopefully bridges hes a great defender as well and decent scorer
Giddey up, Giddey up! Let’s Go!!!
He is giddey for those kiddies
I can't wait for the next trade. I'm tired of hearing about this one.
AC is from that area. This was probably a favor done to him. I love the trade personally. AC rubbed off on our young guys and hopefully influenced them. Now on to OKC where he will be out every 6 games.
Can Ryan Poles be the Bulls also?
Bulls get all the drama of Giddy also, which has to effect the grading of this trade..
Do they have a presser scheduled?
I actually don’t understand why Will can’t be the bull’s GM….
Maybe not Matt or Dave cause they might get too emotional….
But surely Will would be a better GM than AK right?!??! And pay Will like…. 1/2 AK’s salary on a prove it year…. Then max him out when successful….
Here’s a theory, what if AK, instead of asking for picks, asked OKC to not present P-Will an offer sheet after he hits RFA. I have a feeling that’s who OKC wanted in the trade and AKME declined. At that point maybe there was a moment when OKC was like, “fine, we’ll just sign him with our remaining cap space.” Perhaps it was at that point that AK was like, here take Caruso, you don’t even have to give us draft capital if you promise not to offer P-will anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if Presti takes AC and trades him for a power forward he wants outside of P-Will.
Considering they were going after caruso at the trade deadline as well, this feels like a stretch. With that said, i could see a team like OKC get the best out of a guy like PAW tho. I think he could be a good fit, but caruso is also a great fit there.
If Patrick Williams player like Giddey did I his worst year, the P-Will Stan’s wouldn’t be saying that he’s got potential to be great…they would pretend that he already is 😂
When in the history of nba has a role player like Alex got 2 first
a year and a half ago he might've..
@@henrymanahan2764 it was never offered.
Honestly a 2x Defensive 1st Team on his beat statistical season for a guy on his worst statistical season? Caruso instantly makes OKC legit contenders while the Bulls initially become worse that is why we deserve a draft pick
@emiliothepoet did Marcus smart get traded for 2 first rounders and he was defensive player of the year
@@relax5337no he got traded for a fringe all star
We are doomed
Wrong, Presti wanted to keep Giddey, Giddey wanted to go... presti certianly didnt also want also lose a pick, you got a great deal... listen to Le Bron
cant shoot, cant defend.. then how in hell is he the youngest NBA in history to get a 3D, he is also the 2nd youngest and 3rd youngest.. NBA in history.. also second yougest to 1000pts, 500 assists, 500 rebounds in NBA history
48:22 this is my greatest point pun intended about Giddy. You want him to run the show that’s fine. But I’m crunch time the ball will find your best player and if he is not with most likely he won’t be your best scoring option that means we’ll run into the same situation OKC has with is not highly effective enough of a shooter. To me the Bulls are t smart enough to get the best out of Giddy they failed to do it with Vuc and Zach and PW, etc….. Giddy should be in the post on the half court set but Chicago will most likely put him in the corner for wide open 3s yet he not a great shooter! We will be a worse team in sue Chicago doesn’t mind that for next year. Giddey and Coby backcourt defensively? Terrible! If that’s your future! AK had a huge opportunity and blew it regardless of how good Giddey becomes and you got to pay him?! Honestly AK is in over his head. Resigning Billy Donovan without disclosing the contract? Siding with Billy over players? Not holding him
Accountable? It’s stupid and terrible. This franchise probably wanted to be this bad with no draft compensation!!! I mean this we might be the WORST RUN FRANCHISE IN THE NBA!
I think this trade is big we needed a pg. Giddy can avg 16ppg 8rpg 8apg. Coby avg 23-25ppg matt common down
Completely disregard how they'd fit in the system. Good job bud
Guy is 22 at the start of next season. Highlights look good. I think they got a good play maker. 3 point specialist can be had anywhere. Hate the lazy 3 point BS to be honest.Caruso is friken 30. Wake up people.
Trade old Demar and Vooch to get more young players.
That trade should have included a first round pick nothing less
Bulls gave away Caruso
The trade was good but not great, stop being emotionally attached to these players who have accomplished NOTHING as Bulls! That’s what got us in this mess and also is why we didn’t get picks for Caruso and won’t for Lavine.
Giddy isn’t even the second coming of Toni kucoc he doesn’t have lonzo ball
Perimeter defense the bulls are doomed
AKME terrible at trades?
I truly dont think they got to run the team the way they wanted too. I think if it was up to them, they would have traded caruso at the deadline for a better deal, but ownership said no to chase the 8th seed to make more money. Ownership dont care about winning, just to continue to milk the success of what jordan brought. Fans still support the team, get great attendance every year. I wouldn't be surprised if ownership pushed for the Vuc trade either, to maximize the earnings of lavine's growth. I feel the same may have happened with paxson too. When the team was in a true rebuild, paxson looked like a great GM. He made a lot of great moves that bulls fans seem to forget about. AK had a real good track record at rebuilding the nuggets before he came here too. Reinsdorf is truly the problem.
Those who expect nothing shall not be disappointed.
A feminine waifish PDF file. Totally the solution.
Just face it…Alex Caruso was overrated as far as traded value 😭 especially by Chicago media and some delusional fans 😂
The market dictates the value of a player…Giddey is a #6 draft pick from 2021…That means the Bulls don’t have to wait on him to totally develop like EVERYONE of their last 5 draft picks…Coby White, Pat Williams, Ayo Dosunmu, Dalen Terry, Julian Phillips…
Even the ones they let go/traded too quickly (Portis, Wendell Carter, Markkanen, Gafford etc) 🥴 Needed more time to develop into good players…
Maybe that is an indictment on coaching and player development at the time 🤷🏽♂️ as-well as Gar/Pax 😬
If you don’t think giddey needs A LOT more development then you don’t know basketball
@@40441gogo He also isnt taking account that this is the last year of giddey's rookie deal, which is huge. He really doesnt have the time to develop like he thinks, not like getting draft picks instead. There is a lot more risk involved than he believes.
Also totally disagree with the overrated as far as trade value part. People said the same thing about jrue when boston gave up a lot to get him. There are 2 sides of basketball. Like jrue, caruso is one of the best guard defenders in the league. On a bad team like the bulls, he wont look like a guy who is making that much of a dfference (like jrue's career before he got to milwaukee). On a contending team, his value is huge. That's why teams were willing to give up 1st rounders for him.
You guys are weird giddey is good very good tbh you’ll be eating them words will.
It's a market just like any other AC was in high demand , Giddy was not. It's simple they botched it.
AK and Eversley turning themselves into the evil empire every year, especially after this trade.
Smh
Ak turned down trades for AC the past two years for this? Is he dumb or just stupid 🤔 once again this front office Failed
No baseball talk please. Not even for 20 seconds. Baseball is the most boring sport in the world
Grade = F-
"we need to get more athletic and improve our shooting"
proceeds to get one of the most unathletic and non shooting guards in the league... that played himself out of the OKC rotation due to his trash tier defense and that needs to ball in his hands offensively to be of any use.
its not like we got other players like... you know, demar... coby... who guess what.. ALSO NEED THE BALL IN THEIR HANDS TO BE USEFUL.
This is the most AKME move i could ever expect. jfc they make GarPax look like geniuses.
Its the other way around. Giddy wanted out of the OKC. DANN what you going to say when this kid comes in and starts shining.???