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  • čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
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  • @calcifer026
    @calcifer026 Před 5 lety +9242

    I love how LTT became basically mythbusters for tech/gaming.

    • @MichealPruitt
      @MichealPruitt Před 5 lety +201

      New channel idea.. "Tech Busters" or a Linus only channel called "Durability"

    • @4life4win
      @4life4win Před 5 lety +18

      Linus MythTechBusters!!!!!

    • @calcifer026
      @calcifer026 Před 5 lety +91

      @@MichealPruitt "this week on durability, ill drop this 5000$ monitor"

    • @Dragonsamuari
      @Dragonsamuari Před 5 lety +51

      or drop the $1000 stand

    • @Arpin_Lusene
      @Arpin_Lusene Před 5 lety +1

      @@MichealPruitt I'm not sure, "Tech Busters" reminded me of tech rax.

  • @gurta7101
    @gurta7101 Před 5 lety +7787

    Doesnt matter bacause my brain lag is a whole 1 second

  • @fqidz
    @fqidz Před 3 lety +3490

    "Dude, I lost because the light from the monitor couldn't reach my eyes fast enough"

    • @krypton9808
      @krypton9808 Před 3 lety +194

      Just move your face closer to the monitor, duh

    • @vondalironfist5753
      @vondalironfist5753 Před 3 lety +116

      It helps if the air doesn’t interfere with ur vision :)

    • @kaden_772
      @kaden_772 Před 3 lety +9

      It would also help if your whole body is paralyzed except for your eye muscles and your arms, forearms, hands and fingers and that you couldn't physically blink.

    • @kaden_772
      @kaden_772 Před 3 lety +11

      And maybe, get a time machine and steal the best gaming computer from 5020 and bring it back to the present. so that you had 500 TB of storage 0.00001 nanoseconds of all around tech delay, 500 TB of RAM and an RTX 6080 Ti, an intel core i900 and a framerate of 1000 fps normal fps. aaaannnnd a case that can fit 20 fans that can spin up to 100,000 rpm so that ur pc is literally ice cold :) *me being a nerd be like*

    • @fqidz
      @fqidz Před 3 lety +40

      @@kaden_772 You made it too long that it's not funny anymore

  • @yourbuddyak3677
    @yourbuddyak3677 Před 3 lety +2931

    Now seeing no beard linus is just a meme for my eyes

  • @rockboy1234
    @rockboy1234 Před 4 lety +11882

    *Loses CS:GO game*
    Sorry, my mouse was 1 ms off

  • @Matthew-sp5kv
    @Matthew-sp5kv Před 5 lety +804

    I'd love to see this expanded on. Cheap amazon "gaming" mice, Lower end wireless mice. Bluetooth vs 2.4ghz. Other wireless gaming mice that don't make those claims. Standard office mice. Basically everything.
    It would also be a cool benchmark to include in mouse reviews.

    • @birb7828
      @birb7828 Před 5 lety +1

      Bluetooth is on 2.4ghz?

    • @gmt-yt
      @gmt-yt Před 5 lety +3

      Hell yeah. Ergonomic mice and (although it would require a new apparatus) various TouchStyk/"nipple" mice would be fascinating as well.

    • @michelvanbriemen3459
      @michelvanbriemen3459 Před 5 lety +8

      Dude.
      Trackpad latency.
      Think about that huh.

    • @TheBostonstapler
      @TheBostonstapler Před 5 lety +1

      Also different sensor quality ?

    • @compaqdeskpro5770
      @compaqdeskpro5770 Před 5 lety

      I've gamed on the HP business mouse, its a comfortable mouse and stuff like frame rates and the monitor's response time are more noticeable than the mouse.

  • @aar0nhickman
    @aar0nhickman Před 4 lety +1063

    MX Anywhere appears on screen.
    Me - " Hey that's my mouse!"
    Linus - " This mouse was by far the worst compared to all of the other mice"
    Me - *dies inside because I have failed lord Linus*

  • @Berkmnn
    @Berkmnn Před 4 lety +539

    “We are gonna test reliability”
    *smashes mouse with hammer”

  • @DFMurray
    @DFMurray Před 5 lety +1886

    While you still have that slow-mo camera slap Linus with a fish

  • @loin462
    @loin462 Před 4 lety +1863

    "That removes the reliability of our experiments"
    Perfect

  • @TheTechAdmin
    @TheTechAdmin Před 2 lety +60

    7:37 This is why I think their should be an average person included in every Olympic event. So we see just how amazing an Olympian is.

  • @mathewmorton6694
    @mathewmorton6694 Před 4 lety +426

    “That removes the reliability of our measurements, dramatically.”
    Me: Wait a second...

  • @saoban9257
    @saoban9257 Před 4 lety +2325

    This is officially the best channel to find science fair project ideas

  • @jq6641
    @jq6641 Před 5 lety +1920

    Since you have a 1000fps camera, maybe you should do a video on screen tearing

    • @nasmeskartz9149
      @nasmeskartz9149 Před 5 lety +73

      are you using internet explorer? because they've done it like 3 times already?

    • @dragonwithak6051
      @dragonwithak6051 Před 5 lety +27

      @@nasmeskartz9149 it's a shame we cant even call it internet explorer anymore

    • @bobcoco6047
      @bobcoco6047 Před 5 lety +81

      @@dragonwithak6051 What? What do you mean, what happened to Internet Explorer???
      Sent from Internet Explorer, 2001.

    • @ikmashane9042
      @ikmashane9042 Před 5 lety +23

      2019 called,people want internet explorer back.they don't want Microsoft edge.

    • @arraybytes
      @arraybytes Před 5 lety +9

      Wait... Microsoft edge is internet explorer?... Nooooooo

  • @HazFrostYT
    @HazFrostYT Před 3 lety +90

    I like that intro message. "you're not bad, your mouse is bad, also you're bad"

  • @MudhaffarAdhwa
    @MudhaffarAdhwa Před 3 lety +46

    Linus: oh that's hot
    me: woah
    Linus: speaking of hot, our sponsor, storyblocks
    me: fucksake they got me

  • @TheWeakLink101
    @TheWeakLink101 Před 5 lety +2020

    I'd love to see this test redone with all kinds of mice. Things like Amazon best sellers to the cheapest thing claiming to be "built for gaming"

    • @cliqclaq508
      @cliqclaq508 Před 5 lety +121

      And the delay with increasing distance to the usb receiver.

    • @sageosaka
      @sageosaka Před 5 lety +4

      Great idea

    • @WhiteSteelGamer
      @WhiteSteelGamer Před 5 lety +8

      They have to see your comment omg! Great video idea

    • @senspartech3533
      @senspartech3533 Před 5 lety +5

      I want this!
      REALLY curious about the results.. would be very interesting (to me, at least)

    • @ThisMoth
      @ThisMoth Před 5 lety +2

      And different recievers (my mb is shit fx)

  • @user-kw9qu2gz8v
    @user-kw9qu2gz8v Před 5 lety +1556

    I honestly love the fact that Linus is doing a lot of these fairly scientist rigorous testing of tech. It really cuts through the marketing B's.

    • @hawkeyestone2122
      @hawkeyestone2122 Před 5 lety +7

      @@recko1269 think before typing, specially saying.

    • @TheofanisIII
      @TheofanisIII Před 5 lety +11

      I wouldn't quite call it scientific. For example, he concluded people who can tell a difference between 500 and 1000 polling rate are just imagining it and he even says that even if there's a difference you wouldn't be able to tell because your monitor does not have the required refresh rate.
      I have 2 problems with this. First, there are more ways than just seeing the delay to tell apart polling rates and other kinds of input lag. Second, a monitor's refresh rate doesn't limit your ability to perceive more information, even if the monitor can't display all of the information.
      Neither of these things were tested, they actually just tested the difference in delay between different products/settings and not whether you could tell them apart, but they still went ahead and concluded something about something they didn't test.

    • @NolePTR
      @NolePTR Před 5 lety +1

      ​@@recko1269 Without someone like Linus to call out BS when it does happen, they'd get away with falsifying their claims.

    • @zakarylittle6767
      @zakarylittle6767 Před 5 lety +3

      You know or they could test properly instead of using a bunch of extra hardware...
      wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_polling_rate

    • @robingarbe
      @robingarbe Před 5 lety +1

      @TMCicuurd12b42 Most competitive games take the raw input data from the mouse to move the camera and stuff like that. That means that your mouse speed DOES matter since your games are getting the movement data as soon as the mouse can send it (or to be more exact: as soon as is can be polled)

  • @SappotaaMaram
    @SappotaaMaram Před 3 lety +51

    "Linus takes a hammer to the mouse"
    Mouse: *sweating nervously*

  • @pt192
    @pt192 Před 3 lety +42

    1:22 Admittedly, I’m only focused on the shoe print on the wall.

    • @orbeezeater
      @orbeezeater Před 3 lety +1

      A Kyle was playing a game and lost so he punched the wall and broke his hand. So when he lost another game, he kicked the wall instead.

  • @acdcjor
    @acdcjor Před 4 lety +3924

    Humans: Mock a mouse for having 30 ms lag
    Also humans: Have 300 ms response time

    • @MarkkuS
      @MarkkuS Před 4 lety +515

      That's why we need every advantage.

    • @mrp7874
      @mrp7874 Před 4 lety +274

      @@cheezike5814 stop

    • @xXPAKSLAYERXx
      @xXPAKSLAYERXx Před 4 lety +550

      If you have 300ms response time you may have found the answer to why you suck in games

    • @ZipzZzzz5
      @ZipzZzzz5 Před 4 lety +93

      But when u react u dont need the mouse to also add to ur reaction time. So lower is better^^

    • @eirikengevik9826
      @eirikengevik9826 Před 4 lety +82

      Humans have around 200 ms response time.

  • @aazdu03
    @aazdu03 Před 5 lety +559

    I really like this format of tech mythbusters, keep it going, it's reaaaally interesting to watch and i learned a lot today!

  • @rey_nemaattori
    @rey_nemaattori Před 4 lety +51

    Conclusion: Latencies are so low nowadays, it isn't human detectable.
    This wired vs wireless discussion was perhaps an issue 2 decades back, but these days it's so small it not detectable on screen.

    • @Hamachingo
      @Hamachingo Před 3 lety +1

      The MX Master 3 is quite terrible in terms of latency and consistency, it's even way worse on bluetooth. The old wired G5 laser from 15 or so years ago is just much better.

    • @rey_nemaattori
      @rey_nemaattori Před 3 lety +5

      @@Hamachingo Ofcourse there's always companies who use substandard hardware or simply dont have high standards.

    • @Hamachingo
      @Hamachingo Před 3 lety +1

      @@rey_nemaattori I feel like they're improving things while deliberately downgrading others so they can send you a new and improved version to repeat the cycle.
      Recently got a Logi G603, tracking is great, latency is great (also still decent on bluetooth), love the quiet mouse wheel. The sound when releasing the side buttons makes me mad though, like a tiny ruler at the edge of the desk. Never had that problem on any Logitech mouse.

    • @rey_nemaattori
      @rey_nemaattori Před 2 lety

      @WilliamCBells Havent really noticed this, my first cordless mouse still works, even though I've replaced it with a corded laser mouse like 2 decades ago.

  • @ScoopexUs
    @ScoopexUs Před 4 lety +11

    2:00 This feedback loop delay is what I (and many others, I'm sure) discovered in 1991, and Carmack discovered when he started gathering components for the Oculus. Results were as expected, thanks for the video measuring it. :)

  • @user-tg9qf2mt5b
    @user-tg9qf2mt5b Před 5 lety +2358

    Only a Hardcore 50k hour Korean starcraft Player could notice the difference

    • @DragoniaLegendary
      @DragoniaLegendary Před 5 lety +288

      Did u mean hardcore minecrafters who can consistently save all of their falls with a water bucket?

    • @khalilrahme5227
      @khalilrahme5227 Před 5 lety +98

      @@DragoniaLegendary NO. HE MEANT STARCRAFT

    • @etherealaep
      @etherealaep Před 4 lety +47

      Kalel Mercy hes jokin chill

    • @gammawave1739
      @gammawave1739 Před 4 lety +6

      @dragonia gaming he meant starcraft the game that uses strategy and skill to beat it. Minecraft is for kids that suck at strategy point and click games. I had a friend who played starcraft non stop its pretty fun but i like final fantasy way more.

    • @sdgsgdgsdsdggsdsgd773
      @sdgsgdgsdsdggsdsgd773 Před 4 lety +19

      Darth Maul Ok gayboi

  • @xmute711
    @xmute711 Před 5 lety +4841

    Linus tech tips: speaking of hot...
    Me: skip 10 seconds

    • @sandjvj911
      @sandjvj911 Před 4 lety +91

      i literally did the same

    • @kristian5821
      @kristian5821 Před 4 lety +36

      @@sandjvj911 i always do lol

    • @Derpy-qg9hn
      @Derpy-qg9hn Před 4 lety +43

      Not much else we can do given modern youtubers' obsession with "clever" and "smooth" ad segues :P

    • @travismailsa1
      @travismailsa1 Před 4 lety +14

      Haha, did the exact same shit

    • @shutdahellup69420
      @shutdahellup69420 Před 4 lety +2

      LMFAO

  • @synthlord9544
    @synthlord9544 Před 4 lety +8

    This is one of your coolest vids, the combo of the high speed camera, hammer, 240hz monitor. There was a lot of cool stuff in this video, and it wasn't too technical or boring. Linus seemed really excited by the test, I have to agree

  • @slimy634
    @slimy634 Před 4 lety +147

    5:51 is the answer to the question.
    (the same)

  • @mLiinkzin
    @mLiinkzin Před 5 lety +620

    oh man i wish they tested how an old mice with a ball would perform on this video.

    • @azarilh2355
      @azarilh2355 Před 5 lety +6

      I was thinking the same. :o

    • @NocFA
      @NocFA Před 5 lety +50

      I would think that a PS/2 mouse would actually have lower latency because it has a more direct route to active CPU processing, I'd love to know.

    • @spicysacrifice3439
      @spicysacrifice3439 Před 5 lety +8

      Trackball probably wouldn't even move :o

    • @mLiinkzin
      @mLiinkzin Před 5 lety +5

      ​@walentaz Yeah probably but i think would be nice to see how far we got.

    • @amaizen4817
      @amaizen4817 Před 5 lety +2

      @@NocFA no it wouldnt have lower latency, LTT already made a Video about PS/" and USB Mouse comparison

  • @phiwatec2576
    @phiwatec2576 Před 5 lety +564

    Please compare USB to PS/2 and see which one performs better. Because some gamers still want a PS/2 Port. Keyboard would be interesting too... :)

    • @mclaine33
      @mclaine33 Před 5 lety +21

      Phiwatec why a PS/2 ports? The disadvantage of not being hot swappable far out way the advantage of 0 latency. Ever had your mouse freeze up on you before? I have had that happen. And it would suck if I had to restart the entire PC just because of that. But with PS/2, you have to restart it.

    • @hampusahlen4850
      @hampusahlen4850 Před 5 lety +39

      @@mclaine33 you just got a notification for nothing

    • @dayceroberts
      @dayceroberts Před 5 lety +1

      @@hampusahlen4850 Kinda like how you did

    • @speedylordinc.3748
      @speedylordinc.3748 Před 5 lety +1

      @@dayceroberts I'm starting to see a pattern here...

    • @luutoo3649
      @luutoo3649 Před 5 lety +1

      @@speedylordinc.3748 you just got a notification for nothing

  • @dxkaiyuan4177
    @dxkaiyuan4177 Před 4 lety +18

    It would've been interesting to test interference too. Maybe put a wifi router next to the wireless dongle and stream 4k video from the router

  • @yuukismh
    @yuukismh Před 3 lety +55

    TLDR: They are the same latency comparing logitech mice.

  • @2ddrewd
    @2ddrewd Před 5 lety +896

    Great topic! What about another video with the same idea, but for keyboards?

  • @GubernareMens
    @GubernareMens Před 5 lety +2382

    "Woah that's hot... speaking of hot"
    *facepalm*

    • @shazzzz
      @shazzzz Před 5 lety +11

      Some Thing 1 month 0 comments,well thats something

    • @moon-pw1bi
      @moon-pw1bi Před 5 lety +12

      @@shazzzz wtf i got the notification as if i replied to the comment but theres nothing there, nani?

    • @andrekaled
      @andrekaled Před 4 lety

      @@moon-pw1bi Habbid?

    • @tyreesemaxwell3261
      @tyreesemaxwell3261 Před 4 lety +3

      I wanna like but then it wouldn't be 666

    • @stance_suzuki
      @stance_suzuki Před 4 lety +2

      That’s an awfully hot coffee pot

  • @PseudoChris
    @PseudoChris Před 4 lety +1

    Great video, would love to see more gaming mouse brand results.

  • @iknowimstupidwhenisaythisb6749

    Me: *Dies in game
    Me: Sorry my gaming chair is broken so i use normal chair

    • @trainerzard7
      @trainerzard7 Před 3 lety

      I use no chair

    • @HD9S
      @HD9S Před 3 lety

      @@trainerzard7 do you stand

    • @mugiii8140
      @mugiii8140 Před 3 lety

      @@trainerzard7 same and i sit on the floor

  • @vivek1393
    @vivek1393 Před 5 lety +322

    You should start a new channel called Tech Myth Busters or something. Loved this video.

    • @El_Chompo
      @El_Chompo Před 5 lety +10

      companies HATE him!

    • @ScootersMum1
      @ScootersMum1 Před 5 lety +22

      playlist, possibly, channel, no.

    • @DaRoach5882
      @DaRoach5882 Před 5 lety +1

      Tech Busters!

    • @hsojom3
      @hsojom3 Před 5 lety

      @@El_Chompo Except Logitech right now because he just validated their claims.

    • @El_Chompo
      @El_Chompo Před 5 lety

      @@hsojom3 Yeah I'm pretty impressed. But he didn't try PS/2 port yet. It simple means they have created a wireless hardware set that has basically 1ms or less response time so it is indistinguishable.

  • @DJHeroMasta
    @DJHeroMasta Před 5 lety +864

    Now this, this is quality shit! Test everything and put these companies products to the test! Us consumers really appreciate it!

    • @UNKNWN96
      @UNKNWN96 Před 5 lety +2

      Agreed!

    • @theindooroutdoorsman
      @theindooroutdoorsman Před 4 lety +6

      They didn't test with the dongle plugged directly into the PC and under the desk, like a large number of users would do with their actual home set ups.

    • @DJHeroMasta
      @DJHeroMasta Před 4 lety +4

      The Indoor Outdoorsman If my shitty Bluetooth dongle doesn’t miss a beat when paired to my Xbox Controller then this shouldn’t have any issue either 😄.

    • @theindooroutdoorsman
      @theindooroutdoorsman Před 4 lety +1

      @@DJHeroMasta You'd be surprised. Especially putting it into a rear USB slot so it's under the desk and at the back of the tower.

    • @ahdasick
      @ahdasick Před 4 lety

      This just made me make up my mind about buying a logitech wireless mouse I was looking at lol great video

  • @Shredbmx221
    @Shredbmx221 Před 3 lety

    Awesome video! Need this test with all mice.

  • @big-chungus
    @big-chungus Před 4 lety +36

    "We're going to hit the mouse with the hammer"
    Me: that sounds safe

    • @eavyeavy2864
      @eavyeavy2864 Před 3 lety

      Of course it is you who else? Dumb comment format

  • @dongurudebro4579
    @dongurudebro4579 Před 5 lety +299

    Please retest that with different sensor´s, connection & different price ranges!
    That would be really cool.
    Even more if you could test it over both axis and maby even how correct movement is translated. :)

    • @shiraffyu
      @shiraffyu Před 5 lety +2

      Maybe collaborate with rocket jump ninja too ?

    • @Sebastian198910
      @Sebastian198910 Před 5 lety +1

      thorsong1 Well in theory this should be the case but without a test it might also not be true.

  • @Masaliantiikeri
    @Masaliantiikeri Před 5 lety +351

    Do the same test in linux using lowlatency kernel! I'm curious to see if there is any difference in between linux and windows.

    • @jackhaynes8944
      @jackhaynes8944 Před 5 lety +20

      Masaliantiikeri might as well compare Mac as well even tho no one games on them... I also sort of want to see the latency with the Magic Mouse and other styles of mice

    • @jackhaynes8944
      @jackhaynes8944 Před 5 lety +3

      Masaliantiikeri and maybe the latency with console remotes?

    • @malenky4057
      @malenky4057 Před 5 lety +4

      @@jackhaynes8944 Even if Macs had lower latency they would be awful for gaming simply due to Mac OS's baked in mouse acceleration. You absolutely need 1 to 1 mouse movement for any competitive gaming.

    • @fanciestbanana4653
      @fanciestbanana4653 Před 5 lety +2

      They should just have used an arduino for that. I will priovide the lowest latency possible (sub 1 millisecond).

    • @El_Chompo
      @El_Chompo Před 5 lety +2

      Windows might be faster than Linux but I would love to see the test as well. Windows allows direct hardware communication across layers while Linux forces everything to go all the way down and up the stack through layers to ensure that nothing funny happens. The result is that Windows offers faster performance, but is also susceptible to Blue Screens of Death because hardware can get signals from multiple locations at the same time, whereas that never happens in Linux because everything has to wait in line and go through the hardware stack. There is no direct hardware access that I know of in Linux. These two modes I'm talking about have names I just can't remember what they are right now.

  • @OUTS1DER666
    @OUTS1DER666 Před 4 lety +1

    Great test, need an anniversary version of this video with all mices u can get. And main button latency to.

  • @assassinpp
    @assassinpp Před 4 lety +1

    Highly appriciate the efforts taken here bro & thanks a ton !

  • @bobbyliu3002
    @bobbyliu3002 Před 5 lety +252

    I'd love to see this test re-done after July 7 to see if Navi's Radeon Anti-Lag feature has a measurable effect as well.

    • @Hyperus
      @Hyperus Před 5 lety +3

      @Rechy Especially when this is between 13 and 15 ms, I dont think it is more than a gimmick to be honest

    • @Hyperus
      @Hyperus Před 5 lety

      @@Comanglia yes and No, If the game Runs a much lower framerate because of GPU limitation, then no antilag in the world is gonna do shit because then you are framerate limited

    • @Hyperus
      @Hyperus Před 5 lety

      @@Comanglia Snyctech is working with finished rendered frames and does not give a shit about CPU setup, so this cant even work, also 30 FPS magically reduced by 20ms?
      No, wont happen, If your CPU would be able of 100 a second, that would be 10ms there, so even if you were able to completly ignore the CPU you would not get 20ms out of it

  • @blackpantherjon9709
    @blackpantherjon9709 Před 4 lety +655

    Linus: and speaking of ...
    Me: double tap

    • @ericneagu197
      @ericneagu197 Před 4 lety +7

      Linus: So are Gaming.mice worth ?
      Me: Double tap

    • @mankas4087
      @mankas4087 Před 4 lety +3

      Lol same here 😂

    • @John-hz4wi
      @John-hz4wi Před 4 lety +5

      *Double press right arrow key

    • @imwb7805
      @imwb7805 Před 4 lety +1

      @@John-hz4wi or just press k

    • @lennrd5912
      @lennrd5912 Před 4 lety

      Nah, coffee addicts enjoyed it, coffee is so good and healthy it actually becomes a hobby

  • @austinsjaarda2519
    @austinsjaarda2519 Před 2 lety +3

    I would love to see a revisit to this with the upcoming ltt labs to get more runs to actually determine which Mouse is the fastest.

  • @duckyboy9998
    @duckyboy9998 Před 4 lety +2

    if you do more of these types of myth or fact tests itd be so cool

  • @dead2675
    @dead2675 Před 5 lety +1157

    Oh I can see why I am noob now
    I have more than 30ms latency
    I have more than 150ms ping
    I have less than 40 FPS
    But most importantly I don't have skills

    • @chocchip4172
      @chocchip4172 Před 5 lety +132

      But most importantly... mY tEaMmAtEs sUcK!!!!!1!1!

    • @cheeztuch7142
      @cheeztuch7142 Před 5 lety +87

      dont forget brain lag

    • @subscribe2dieinstantly728
      @subscribe2dieinstantly728 Před 5 lety +2

      @@cheeztuch7142 yep

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Před 5 lety

      Jammy
      Why you nerdy people all cry bullshit here????

    • @yuibkys3522
      @yuibkys3522 Před 5 lety +2

      Jammy yeah and with what exectly? Do you live in iceland or something? Siberia? Cause thats the only thing that can explain 150 ms ping

  • @thelastcube.
    @thelastcube. Před 5 lety +726

    Next video: "Why I paid for a $150,000 Phantom camera"

    • @strikereureka5081
      @strikereureka5081 Před 5 lety +9

      Except they didn't...

    • @HyDRoTheTrickShotter
      @HyDRoTheTrickShotter Před 5 lety +3

      @@strikereureka5081 right! They borrowed it from the guy in the other video lol

    • @Draenal
      @Draenal Před 5 lety +44

      @@strikereureka5081 I think the joke is that they like it so much they bought it.

    • @FedericoSala
      @FedericoSala Před 5 lety +1

      He probably got probably x3 times that ammount just renting it :)

    • @wessonliam7423
      @wessonliam7423 Před 5 lety +12

      One year later, diy watercool you phantom

  • @Ludimahudi
    @Ludimahudi Před 3 lety

    this video is freaking awesome !!! thanks for this tests so intressting

  • @Strikery
    @Strikery Před 2 lety

    I really love the tests! What a unique way!

  • @luis19ksr
    @luis19ksr Před 5 lety +76

    this channel needs a lot more slow motion takes of linus being slaped...

    • @TetaGama
      @TetaGama Před 5 lety +5

      Slapped

    • @anirvana
      @anirvana Před 5 lety +2

      @@TetaGama no slaped sounds better

    • @movement2contact
      @movement2contact Před 5 lety

      I slaped your mom...
      *with* your mo...
      you're mumm gae!

  • @ryanringer3896
    @ryanringer3896 Před 5 lety +92

    The dark core is capable of wired mode too
    It would be interesting to see what the latency difference is

    • @thedanzero
      @thedanzero Před 5 lety +5

      Well the logitech wireless mouse also supports wired play. And they didn`t test it aswell...

    • @KainArkanos
      @KainArkanos Před 5 lety +2

      @@thedanzero The Logitech MX518 test is a fair enough comparison, because it uses the exact same sensor the G703 has anyways...unless that was the G703 non-Hero variant, which would be worse.

  • @John-vw7wf
    @John-vw7wf Před 2 lety +1

    The amount of variables taken into account to conduct an experiment for gaming is truly beautiful

  • @DaybreakerDJ
    @DaybreakerDJ Před 4 lety

    I really enjoy the style of your videos. Very informative and entertaining. Feels like I'm watching an episode of Bill Nye.

  • @deama15
    @deama15 Před 5 lety +429

    Should have measured the wireless if the dongle was far away or behind the PC.

    • @leet137
      @leet137 Před 4 lety +27

      this is pure marketing bs, if anyone believes linus makes these videos for any other reason than because he got paid from these companies then... he is probably subscribed to this channel. yes, wireless can be just as fast as a wired mouse, but under what circumstances? if he truly wanted to show the pros and cons of this, he would have done this video differently. i wonder how much logitech has to pay to convince thousands of people to buy a wireless mouse because of 1 video.

    • @MillerTM
      @MillerTM Před 4 lety +46

      @@leet137
      I'm going to say I have a Logitech G305 (gaming wireless mouse) and it has no input lag compared to wired.
      The dongle needs to be relatively close to your mousepad tho and 2.4ghz signals can interfere with the signal.

    • @antibrevity
      @antibrevity Před 4 lety +104

      @@leet137 .... Um, Logitech sells wireless and wired versions of some of their G-series mice, so they don't care which you buy; they get your money either way. Linux gets paid to advertise things, not to lie about product tests. It's more than a bit harsh to claim that this test is somehow rigged to help sell mice.
      Most of the viewers of this video *already* own expensive gaming mice; that's why they were interested in seeing wired versus wireless. Linus must, by U.S. law and CZcams policy, tell us when he has been given products to review and when companies pay him to make a video. If you find out that he dishonestly made a propaganda video without disclosing the sponsorship, then feel free to turn him in.
      There are certainly things going on behind the scenes with youtube channels that the audience doesn't find out about, but these are mostly personal and business issues that they don't want to make public. Linus and this channel certainly need a constant stream of new and expensive products coming out in order to create their own constant stream of videos that will get viewed by millions of people, but that doesn't mean that he's being paid to illegally rig up a fake test without divulging the advertisement.
      On top of that, why would a channel receiving multiple millions of views per video *plus* sponsors for each of those videos *need* to do rigged tests to take under-the-table money from Logitech? If any channel does this, then I hope they get caught.
      Yes, youtube channels can be sleazy and they are trying to consume your attention just like Facebook, Instagram, and all of the other life-draining distractions surrounding us and destroying human society, but that doesn't mean that they're also involved in some secret pay-for-test-results scheme.

    • @leet137
      @leet137 Před 4 lety +3

      @@antibrevity you are naive

    • @antibrevity
      @antibrevity Před 4 lety +56

      @@leet137 Thanks! 🙂 I'm also not buying any of these mice and my phone is a used one from 2016. I'm the guy people come to for advice, so let's hope I'm not *too* naive. Stay paranoid, my friend 😋.

  • @AdarshPandeyFilms
    @AdarshPandeyFilms Před 5 lety +334

    There should have been more mice. Like the Mx Master 2S, some cheaper wired mice etc..

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Před 5 lety +4

      Tech Incorporated
      Only Logitech and Corsair now.... Others are too slow.....
      Cheap, just use cables!

    • @xaero212
      @xaero212 Před 5 lety

      this

    • @JadeNeoma
      @JadeNeoma Před 5 lety +12

      Meh, that wasn't what they were testing though. This was about whether or not the wireless increased latency over wired. Their selection was adequate to show that.

    • @AdarshPandeyFilms
      @AdarshPandeyFilms Před 5 lety +8

      @@JadeNeoma true. But since they tested the final mouse and the mx anywhere.. they could have gone a step further

    • @ArtisChronicles
      @ArtisChronicles Před 5 lety +1

      Tech Incorporated you can definitely find $3-$5 mice to use for a larger pool of mice.

  • @MrWasian
    @MrWasian Před 2 lety +4

    Would be nice to get an updated video on both this and the monitor comparison (with wired mice hitting 8000Hz polling rates now). Have told people so many times that wired vs wireless ultimately comes down to user preference when you're buying mid to high end products. Some people swear wireless is better and others wired, yet at the end of the day it's just a preference. While technically wired mice have higher performance now (just like they did in the video) the difference is so negligible that it again comes down to preference. Just like you guys proved that in monitor refresh rate once you go from 60Hz to144Hz anything higher than 144 makes a negligible difference.
    With wired hitting 8000Hz and monitor refresh rates having increased a bit. I honestly wonder if from 1000Hz to 8000Hz is even noticeable as it does seem like a massive gap, 144Hz to 360Hz as well with monitors (think in the monitor video 240Hz was the last variable). I assume that it would remain the same and users would think they could notice a difference, but it's just someone wanting to feel good about the product (ownership pride) they own causing a confirmation bias.

  • @number316
    @number316 Před 4 lety

    I got Linus pulse way ad at the start of the vid haha u did good Linus

  • @dtarchon
    @dtarchon Před 5 lety +124

    Do try out some testing on monitors. Aka Ghosting/Input Lag/Response time on different monitors or something similar. For science =)

    • @feha92
      @feha92 Před 5 lety +1

      Particularly for mobile phones. I am unhappy with the black-to-darkgray response time on my oneplue 6, and want to avoid that in the future when I buy a new phone after a couple of years.

    • @NVMDSTEvil
      @NVMDSTEvil Před 5 lety

      YES PLEASE

    • @Malus1531
      @Malus1531 Před 5 lety +2

      @@feha92 You notice it during normal use or do you mean mobile "gaming"?

  • @Patches33001
    @Patches33001 Před 5 lety +145

    3:19 I bet linus’s employees have been waiting since they started to slap him

    • @ww7473
      @ww7473 Před 4 lety

      Patches33001 just skip 10 secs

    • @babyjoully
      @babyjoully Před 4 lety

      isnt linus him self only a staff ????

    • @shanecotter195
      @shanecotter195 Před 4 lety +3

      When his nose started wobbling 😂

  • @elfandre6498
    @elfandre6498 Před 4 lety

    Damnnn dude doo! This test for most popular mice or top for today please!!!

  • @MAKISo7
    @MAKISo7 Před 3 lety +14

    Idk about imagining the mouses hz. My Logitech G502 feels “off” when at 500hz. Actually took me a while to find the option to increase it to 1000 which felt so much smoother.

    • @zero_grav_original
      @zero_grav_original Před 3 lety +2

      But as he said, how are you running any piece of equipment that is capable of discerning the difference? Even if you believe you can, how is your monitor capable of displaying the difference?

    • @el_teodoro
      @el_teodoro Před 2 lety +1

      @@zero_grav_original Maybe it has to do more with the amount of data the computer gets per hz to position the mouse. It seems that since the mouse is sending its signal more often even though your monitor doesn't show it your pc does seem to be able to convert that 1000hz into an input. Of course, I'm just hypothesizing, I can't test this.

  • @74C50
    @74C50 Před 5 lety +138

    Wouldn't mind a comparison between The Hero Sensor and the standard 3360

    • @dmitry070
      @dmitry070 Před 5 lety +7

      The main advantage of Logitech Hero Sensor (over 3360) is 10x energy efficiency (for wireless operation). DPI increase from 12000 to 16000 is unlikely to be noticeable.

    • @R.C.Bullar
      @R.C.Bullar Před 5 lety

      I've owned two versions of the 3360 over the course of 2 years and now I have Hero G pro wireless and it is the first time I can very honestly say... I can 100% tell you that the Hero is an improvement over the 3360 at fast tracking speeds. If you use high sensitivity, I don't think you would be able to tell. However, I use a very low sensitivity (always have) as I stated before, it is more consistent with large/fast arm movements. CS GO 400dpi at 1.2

    • @kerkertrandov459
      @kerkertrandov459 Před 5 lety +1

      There's 3389 now www.pixart.com/products-comparison/7/Optical_Mouse_Sensor , that should be better

    • @goloat
      @goloat Před 5 lety

      @@kerkertrandov459 i think 3389 is just a modified 3360 for corsair or something

    • @archfxt3619
      @archfxt3619 Před 5 lety

      Honestly , unless youre the pro est of the pro player , no difference when you use it , even a 3310 is pretty good enough

  • @fabianlaibin6956
    @fabianlaibin6956 Před 5 lety +20

    They deliberately used that coffee video and hot to trick us for a second into thinking it was a Madrinas coffee thing.
    Well played.

  • @email2rahat
    @email2rahat Před 4 lety

    plesae do more mouse testing. best mouse review in the world loved it. Thanks a lot for your effort.

  • @rideenjoi480
    @rideenjoi480 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for this i appreciate you guys!

  • @DrMacintosh
    @DrMacintosh Před 5 lety +724

    Don't film in 24fps if you guys are going to move around so much!

    • @netenes1
      @netenes1 Před 5 lety +44

      *export to youtube in 30 fps
      But i agree nonethless.

    • @tataaditya19
      @tataaditya19 Před 5 lety +10

      maybe they're currently trying something new, ltt rarely disappoint

    • @jeffgrey2746
      @jeffgrey2746 Před 5 lety +1

      Also, isn't the plural of a computer mouse mouses not mice?

    • @haadi.khan40
      @haadi.khan40 Před 5 lety +5

      @@jeffgrey2746 it can be either

    • @nogbdaj
      @nogbdaj Před 5 lety +7

      They had a problem with their premiere timeline, as the imported slow-mo-clips were 24fps. Slipped QC.

  • @WayStedYou
    @WayStedYou Před 5 lety +257

    meanwhile in twitch chat on csgo events
    WIRELESS MOUSE OMEGALUL

    • @ERROR_-_404
      @ERROR_-_404 Před 5 lety +46

      *shoots someone through smoke because you heard the guy*
      Twitch chat: VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC VAC

    • @Wheres_my_Dragonator
      @Wheres_my_Dragonator Před 5 lety +24

      If it's an event, and there are hundreds of wireless stuff around, I'd be worried too. They're probably gonna interfere or affect with each other.

    • @2911oscar
      @2911oscar Před 5 lety +15

      welcome to the internet, all public comment sections and public chat is full of retards or retards acting like retards.

    • @jooplin
      @jooplin Před 5 lety

      There is really a lot of interference, still not reliable enough for pro gaming

    • @Accuracy158
      @Accuracy158 Před 5 lety +2

      Batteries OMEGALUL

  • @SargeGaming666
    @SargeGaming666 Před 4 lety +2

    I am legitimately interested as to how the Razer Naga Epic from 2016 would have performed, because you could change it from wired to wireless, just by moving the cable from the mouse to the dock

  • @neptuneshark33
    @neptuneshark33 Před 4 lety +37

    No one:
    Me looking at the linus tech tips store: oh cool you can buy linus for $19.99

  • @shinjincai
    @shinjincai Před 5 lety +113

    Linus please do more of these tests! Maybe try some expensive ass mouses and possibly keyboards?

    • @slumptoad5846
      @slumptoad5846 Před 5 lety +1

      Everyone likes that

    • @TheSlywright
      @TheSlywright Před 5 lety +2

      Mouses? You mean mice...?

    • @shinjincai
      @shinjincai Před 5 lety +6

      @@TheSlywright nope mouses

    • @AquaYT
      @AquaYT Před 5 lety

      shinjincai mice is the plural form of mouse, not mouses

    • @shinjincai
      @shinjincai Před 5 lety +1

      @@AquaYT nope mouses

  • @iraklimgeladze5223
    @iraklimgeladze5223 Před 5 lety +206

    you should checked more mice, and check how distance influence in wireless mouse.
    And how about cheap mice

    • @the_wau_
      @the_wau_ Před 5 lety

      ^^ Agreed!

    • @xkjr7365
      @xkjr7365 Před 5 lety +1

      How far do you sit away from your monitor?

    • @jayrodathome
      @jayrodathome Před 5 lety

      He did a cheap mouse well cheaper and it was like 36ms

    • @blackacetony2039
      @blackacetony2039 Před 5 lety

      If u consider like a g305 relatively cheap then it's the best wireless mouse, it's got that insane hero sensor with almost perfect tracking.

    • @xkjr7365
      @xkjr7365 Před 5 lety

      @@blackacetony2039 £40 is cheap

  • @tincustefanlucian7495
    @tincustefanlucian7495 Před 3 lety +4

    I would like to see a test of normal, no gaming wired mouse. And I love how you designed the test. Thanks!

    • @Scrappy-Youtube
      @Scrappy-Youtube Před 2 lety +1

      it would have a 125hz polling rate. so this means atleast 8ms response time from the mouse (unlike the 1ms from the other mice, excluding the slight add on latency). id say expect an extra 7ms

  • @nostalji75
    @nostalji75 Před 3 lety

    Instant sub! Nice experiment!

  • @Szklana147
    @Szklana147 Před 5 lety +12

    One of the best videos on this channel! More tests like this!

  • @TheZankoh
    @TheZankoh Před 5 lety +121

    Why not setup a CRT monitor to run at 1000 hertz? You could had a simple display where all the mouse did was move a dot.

    • @voidrpg
      @voidrpg Před 5 lety +4

      Has any one find a 1000 hz display... sound like a nice thing.
      Here motion blure 1000 herz. Aliens.
      www.blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/

    • @2911oscar
      @2911oscar Před 5 lety +15

      do you want them to test unicorn blood too?

    • @santiagoramirez1400
      @santiagoramirez1400 Před 5 lety +5

      This has got to be bait

    • @onetrueone
      @onetrueone Před 5 lety

      Go look at “Battle(non)sense” he has made some really good videos about how this works.

    • @TheZankoh
      @TheZankoh Před 5 lety +2

      @Warm Soft Kitty REALLY YOU CAN'T BUY THEM AND NO ONE USES THEM? In theory you can reduce the resolution to get a 1000hertz single.
      www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632863-REG/Ikegami_HTM1990R_HTM_1990_R_19_HDTV_SDTV_Multi_Format.html?ap=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjwx_boBRA9EiwA4kIELuZj94eAhDVdgf7cT4iLBF9oGYRAlBAkriUzMP4xgKeRasYFbhNdgRoC23sQAvD_BwE

  • @wheww
    @wheww Před 3 lety +3

    Yesterday was the 1 year anniversary of this video. Can we see a similar video but this time Logitech lightspeed vs Razer hyperspeed? :)

  • @christophertaylor87
    @christophertaylor87 Před rokem +19

    Logitech is also probably calculating based on a click not moving the mouse. Clicks send less data than movement.

  • @Leo-ir6ey
    @Leo-ir6ey Před 5 lety +110

    Cool topic!!
    Some suggestions to make it more "scientific":
    - use median instead of average
    - instead of filming a screen, which still has fairly high response times, use a Raspberry Pi, that turns on a led when the mouse moves
    - if you do what I described in point 2, you have less setup time, so please use a bigger sample size

    • @TechSY730
      @TechSY730 Před 5 lety +16

      Why median _instead_ of average? Lag spikes and lag "crevices" are things we do care about in practical use and thus one of the metrics should account for then.

    • @Leo-ir6ey
      @Leo-ir6ey Před 5 lety +3

      @@TechSY730 because these spikes are not caused by the mouse, but by the PC (like delayed frames and such).

    • @redshirt510
      @redshirt510 Před 5 lety +7

      @@Leo-ir6ey You want to measure the actual and precise response time, the point of the video was to check if the wireless will be the same as the wired and they did that very well. But I wouldn't mind seeing more mouses, not including zowie and steelseries is a shame especially since zowie dominates cs go.

    • @Leo-ir6ey
      @Leo-ir6ey Před 5 lety +1

      ​@@redshirt510 Yeah, the part where they compared wired vs. wireless was pretty much flawless (because they are only checking if the times are roughly equal). I was referencing the last part where they compared reponse times of different mice. To do that accuratly, you must measure the actual response time accuratly.

    • @SimGunther
      @SimGunther Před 5 lety +1

      Yep, quartiles matter plenty

  • @hogkill64
    @hogkill64 Před 4 lety +475

    3:07 you're welcome

  • @TheTechAdmin
    @TheTechAdmin Před 2 lety +4

    2:13 The fundamentals of any experiment.

  • @shadmanbhuiya9133
    @shadmanbhuiya9133 Před 3 lety

    Damn!! That is a very efficient test.

  • @bobfrank9267
    @bobfrank9267 Před 5 lety +27

    Are you going to do more tests with more mice? Maybe the Logitech 903, Logitech M510 (for another non gaming mouse comparison), and some razer mice? Maybe also see how much of a difference it is between expensive mice and cheap ones for both wired and wireless.

  • @momomomomomomomomoto
    @momomomomomomomomoto Před 5 lety +71

    Pick some controllers! Xbox one, xbox elite, ps4, switch some fighting games controllers and stuff. That would be great!

    • @Fkgkbk
      @Fkgkbk Před 5 lety +4

      No this Is PC race peasants

    • @awesome9174
      @awesome9174 Před 5 lety +3

      Console controllers have high latency compared to PC inputs.

  • @robertlawrence7293
    @robertlawrence7293 Před 3 lety +2

    Can you redo this test with the Atom Palm 8000 Hz mouse? Very curious how the polling rate will affect the results.

  • @MrWkuling
    @MrWkuling Před 4 lety

    Hi Linus, great video! Can you do an episode on the lag of geforce now vs local gaming csgo using this camera set-up?

  • @Attn2Detale
    @Attn2Detale Před 5 lety +16

    This is probably one of my favorite videos you've ever done. Keep doing stuff like this!

  • @SaucyNetworkEntertainment
    @SaucyNetworkEntertainment Před 5 lety +87

    00:43
    Linus: "Well..."
    Me: "oh here comes the spons...wait what?"

  • @kakouhai7162
    @kakouhai7162 Před 4 lety +3

    "Speaking of hot"
    Me: *starts sweating profusely because he figured out my room is hot*

    • @toknn
      @toknn Před 3 lety +1

      You’re not funny

  • @sirijanthakur
    @sirijanthakur Před 4 lety

    could you guys do a keyboard speed test as well ? gaming v regular would be intresting

  • @veeclash4157
    @veeclash4157 Před 4 lety +13

    I loved the school science project feel of this video. Brought back memories. And the data is very interesting. Looks like the best wireless mice can now actually match wired mice in responsiveness!

  • @kenbee1957
    @kenbee1957 Před 5 lety +380

    Next episode should be;
    "We tried to find out whether Gamers are the most nitpicky creatures in existence"

    • @CosmicConsole
      @CosmicConsole Před 5 lety +33

      This is an underrated comment. Gamers complain that a mouse, keyboard, or even monitor has a millisecond more of response time then another when our eyes and our own response times can't even tell the difference. It's so silly.

    • @5JSX5
      @5JSX5 Před 5 lety +46

      I think you just don't get the way we think. We don't just want 60 fps or a 144hz monitor or a 1000hz mouse. We want AS MUCH STATS AS POSSIBLE. Infinite frames, infinite refresh rates etc. That way the only thing stopping you from being the best is yourself. It doesn't matter whether or not you can tell the difference, it's about knowing that your failures are your own fault. Knowing that reduces frustration and burnout. It's basically all about having a competitive spirit.

    • @Ed-ll7op
      @Ed-ll7op Před 5 lety +4

      I understand your point but the point here is that for so long wireless mice have been seen as far inferior in gaming applications. To see that difference is negligible is the point of this video. Personally I wouldn't have ever considered a wireless mouse but after this the convenience of no cord does sound pretty nice.

    • @neojack333
      @neojack333 Před 5 lety +2

      it's the same in sports. people wants the official NBA basket ball to play even in high school. they want the same shoes that the champions are using, etc.

    • @tommybro5313
      @tommybro5313 Před 5 lety

      @@neojack333 *people wants*

  • @dt1943
    @dt1943 Před 3 lety

    Keep it up! Please test zowie ,razer's and other gaming mice too!

  • @1204joey
    @1204joey Před 4 lety

    Wow! Never thought of doing this kinda test

  • @lennartwars
    @lennartwars Před 5 lety +11

    This was honestly a really great and informative video, but a bit more content (e.g. testing older mice like the old mx518 would've been great)

    • @CheapBastard1988
      @CheapBastard1988 Před 5 lety

      Totally agree with you but they shot several video's where they use a high speed camera for the short time they rented it. To add to that the high speed camera needs a ridiculous amount of light so they can only shoot during the day. Though it would have been very interesting.

  • @alkiou3613
    @alkiou3613 Před 5 lety +140

    Use a Raspberry Pi, program it to light a LED on mouse move or click, thus avoiding all the latency of a complex program and the monitor.

    • @whatsascallion
      @whatsascallion Před 5 lety +1

      Why though?

    • @alkiou3613
      @alkiou3613 Před 5 lety +37

      @@whatsascallion Avoid the latency of the game engine and monitor response time.

    • @SteveDaBartender
      @SteveDaBartender Před 5 lety +7

      Although that's a cool idea we all know Linus is here for the entertainment, and most people will find that boring

    • @lordelliott42
      @lordelliott42 Před 5 lety +30

      @@SteveDaBartender
      No they won't. The channel has plenty of videos that are equally "boring" and still get plenty of views.

    • @Roger-mb2vm
      @Roger-mb2vm Před 4 lety +1

      Stonks

  • @yuiop2703
    @yuiop2703 Před 3 lety +5

    9:19 Joke's on you Linus, we have 360hz now

  • @drifter_dave
    @drifter_dave Před 4 lety +14

    The MX Anywhere test could be skewed by the hammer lifting it off the mat.